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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 28 14:01:38 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | oh there's Brian | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | got here earlier than i expected, no traffic! | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:04 |
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| jokke_ | I'm dualboxing this meeting slot so sorry if I'm bit distracted | 14:04 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | hi smcginnis | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | so lets kick off | 14:05 |
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| jokke_ | I have no big announcements here so lets go with abhishekk | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | glance_store release tomorrow | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | Just want to make quick note vs. the agenda. We do not release Fridays so the store release day is today | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | all summary is here | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-stein-milestone-3 | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ack | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Thanks jokke_. Release milestone deadlines are always Thursdays. | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: that's purely to make sure if we break the world we don't need to spend our weekend fixing it | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | I have a release patch ready, just need to add hash there | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, :D, got it | 14:08 |
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| rosmaita | what's the status of the stuff on the etherpad? | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | so that comes down to question, are we allowing Rethinking File System to get in? | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533413/, need to take decision on this | 14:09 |
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| abhishekk | and this, https://review.openstack.org/639765 | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | last link is about rethinking filesystem access patch | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | so it's time to decide whether we are willing to get this change in last minute, even though I am sure it will not cause any regression at the moment | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | So my opinion like said last week still stays, as we're not moving multiple backends from EXPERIMENTAL this cycle we should not utilize it in those places either as that would need the backends to be configured via the multiple backends interface | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, that was my question, what we were doing about experimental backends | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i mean, the multiple backends feature being experimental | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | Yes, I thought that was agreed already month ago or so | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | apart from these we need release-notes patch for glance-store as well | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: I could help with that | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, great | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | So my main concern with the multiple backends is how we deal with the fact that consumers, mainly nova and cinder are not multiple backend aware and we need to come up with proper solution about that | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | good forum topic! | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I am planning to submit a spec in nova and cinder for the same | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | I will do the same by next week (mostly) | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | for stuff like the locations (and thus Nova ceph snapshots) are not targeted | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, ++ | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: great ... and we need to try to fit that discussion to PTG as common topic between us and Nova&Cinder | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ++ | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think what we need is a clear, well-publicized default strategy | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | And like said, I'm booking half day of PTG purely for sorting this out | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | Good plan. | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | This is important and big change and we need to get it right, preferably first time :D | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | and it will be :D | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | Ok so glance_store only thing we need for the release is the renos then? | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | so again are we planning to get rethinking file store patch in, or move it to Train? | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | 15:04 < jokke_> So my opinion like said last week still stays, as we're not moving multiple backends from EXPERIMENTAL this cycle we should not utilize it in those places either as that would need the backends to be configured via the multiple backends interface | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | Any other opinions ^^ | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | Ok, so basically hold off on rethinking filesystem for Train | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, thank you :D | 14:19 |
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| abhishekk | I was lost in reading this entire big statement | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | So if I have understood our backend code correctly, doing that now would force the users to move to the experimental multiple backends | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | in their whole deployment | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | we can't use it only for those | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | I will add workflow -1 to both the patches then | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | with message | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: cool, I've been keeping eye on those patches and IMO that will be very easy merge as soon as we open Train development | 14:21 |
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| jokke_ | the work you've been doing looks great | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i think we are being super-conservative here | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | the not making people use multiple backends was for the interface config | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Will probably be good to have the full cycle to shake out any unintended side effects or things we didn't think of. | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i think we could use them "internally" just fine | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | but ... it's probably too late to introduce that change | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: If I understand correctly, the store code works in a way that you can't use both simultanously | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | it will barf if you have old and new way configured together | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | gotcha | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | So if we use them internally no-one can configure the stores the old way anymore | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, the recent change I have made will work only if multiple backend is enabled | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | ^^ | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i guess the safest thing is to just hold off for Train | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, it will not have any side-effect if stores are configured using old way | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | we can call it the A-Train release (A for Abhishek!) | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, agree, it's very late to add this now | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: are you saying that we could use them both parallel? | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | Feck, sorry. I have totally missed that | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | that has been literally my only concern not pushing those for Stein | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | as the whole design of multiple backends was that if you use them, you must use them | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | I am saying if enabled_backend is defined then reserved stores will be injected while service starts and if enabled_backend is not defined then it will use node_staging_dir and work_dir will be used as it is | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | And that's what I said last week as well :( | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | well, since glance_store must go out today, i think if there's any question, we need to not release | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i mean , not include the rethinking filesystem | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I guess we should move it to Train | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | The only patch in question is now, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533413/ | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | the store change is 10 lines | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | can we review it literally now and leave the door open for that? | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | #topic rethinking filesystem store usage | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rethinking filesystem store usage (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:28 | |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I am ok to move it to next cycle | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639765 | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | (I have already added workflow -1 to it :D) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | I'm ok either way, just sad that it was blocked due to misunderstanding | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | you know, there's no reason why we can't cut RC-1 early to open up train developmnet | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | assuming we've got most of the stuff we want in there | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yeah, well we have time on glance side, it's the 10 line store change that would have needed to be in the store release | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | I guess lets move ahead, and In T we will able to expand this to use other stores as well? | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | The benefit of that is that we will have stable stamped feature set to use in that | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | So only release-note and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639765 decision on this for store release | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | I am ok to get this patch in, jokke_ has -1 on it | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | 639765 I don't have -1 it's that your patch | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | sorry, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639765 | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | same link ;) | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533413/ | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | this time it is correct :D | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | yes | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | I am ok to get this in | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ had concerns about this one | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | So I hate that change in principle level. If we really want to do that, technically the patch looks good | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | it's really simple change that will just be counter productive for lots of the work we have been doing in sense of streamlining and making reasonable defaults | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | I am ok to have this in, but looking at gate how much time it will take to get this in? | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i don't know enough about the ceph backend tbh to know whether this is good or bad | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | I have release patch ready and will be around for next 4-5 hours | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | maybe let's put this on as a forum topic and see what operators want | 14:39 |
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| abhishekk | rosmaita, +1 | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | and not include it now | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | good, then we require release-notes patch only now | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | Ok, so release notes and release are the only things we need to take care of today then | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | \o/ | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | I will format the etherpad tomorrow, so that it will give us clear idea about glance patches with it's current status | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | #topic when to create the folders for Train Specs | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "when to create the folders for Train Specs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:41 | |
| abhishekk | what is the ideal timeline for this? | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | I'd say we can do this next Fri | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | probably when S feature freeze happens | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | as in once the milestone 3 is past | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | or FF either is fine by me | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, jokke_ which means we can do it tomorrow or next friday | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | I wouldn't mind to leave nice gap before summit/ptg for people to sumbit specs in | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: milestone 3 is week from now, not today | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | I will put a patch tomorrow | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | FF is I think 2 weeks after that | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ohhh | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | it's just the non-client lib deadline that is today | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | FF is one week after that | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but since we already had spec freeze, i think we can open the specs repo | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | that's it from me | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets get it done next week with M-3 | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | and we're somewhat consistent with previous cycles | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:45 | |
| jokke_ | Anything else? | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | nope, | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: smcginnis: ? | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | Nothing from me. | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | ohh regarding periodic jobs, subunit issue is still there but it's less frequent now only 5 failures in last week, 1 in last two days | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | Oh great. | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: that is good news indeed | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | (not that it's there but the frequency is reduced | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | sorry, was distracted | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | (I will be back around 2-3 hours and will put a release patch up after that) | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: np, just making sure we're not missing anything from you before I close | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: do you want me to do the release so you don't have to come back? | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I need to travel back so once I reach home and release-notes patch is not merged by then I will ping you | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, thank you :D | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will be afk for an hour, but online for hte rest of my day after that | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | no more topics from me | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | thanks! | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | thanks eveyone! | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 14:49:57 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-02-28-14.01.html | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-02-28-14.01.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-02-28-14.01.log.html | 14:50 |
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