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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 24 14:00:02 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| GregWaines | o/ | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | So first of all the feature/metadata-caching branch has been added | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | GregWaines: feel free to start poking that :) | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | thanks smcginnis for swift processing of the patch ;) | 14:03 |
| GregWaines | Will do ... thanks | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | the second thing I want to bring up is removal of moxstubout | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | Huge hand to Chuck Short who did the effort to get rid of them in glance_store | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | the 3rd think I have in my mind is to bring up the swift store encoding issue | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | I have spend some time around but not able to find the exact reason for this :( | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | I've spent days going back and forth and I do not know why that error happens and why we are pushing any encoded material to swift driver in the first place (clearly as the encoding the data fixes the issue) | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | I'm still very very worried that we will not get same hashes out after the encoding and doing the encoding on the data might have some serious consequences | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | can we catch up driver-maintainers with this? | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | yeah, we need to have some kind of tests | 14:08 |
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| abhishekk | our functional tests are using file stores only | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | iiuc tempest is defaulting to swift as backend | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | so I'm very surprised we do not fail there | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | So my big question is why we do not see this on automated tests but anything RH based seems to break. is this something related to the dependencies provided from RHEL or is this something that will seriously bite us once the barge of shait hits the tornado | 14:11 |
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| jokke_ | unfortunately I have still more questions and 0 answers | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | but moving on we can continue this in open if needed | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:12 | |
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| abhishekk | so we are in release-11 week | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | we should be mostly focusing on glance-store release once our swift related issue is addressed | 14:14 |
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| abhishekk | Regarding periodic jobs everything is ok at the moment | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:15 |
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| jokke_ | do you remember out of your head when the non-client lib deadline is? | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | no, I need to see | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | ok ... I think it's closing quickly | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | Its Feb 25 week | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | One week before stein-3 IIRC. | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | oh so we have still a month. Good, even we can do bugfixes after I would love to have this sorted before | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | Brian had his computer freezing so lets wait for a bit for him to get back | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | yeah | 14:19 |
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| abhishekk | that's it from me, we can move ahead | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | Anyone had anything out of agenda? | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | the 3 remaining topics are all rosmaita's | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | hello | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | oh there you are, wb | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | welcome back | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | #topic 2018 agendas moved | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2018 agendas moved (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:20 | |
| rosmaita | yeah, i need to apologize to lenovo, i think the problem is a memory leak in google chrome calendar | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to point out that i moved the agendas from last year to their own page | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | we've been doing that for a while, when the etherpad gets too big it's unresponsive | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | the joy of crappy web pages taking us back to 90's enjoying memory leaks :D | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | you are correct, sir! | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | but it did occur to me that if these agendas are worth having around | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | maybe we should put them somewhere that's supposed to persist? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: thanks for keeping up with the archival maintenance | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | np | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | well in a sense they are ... the topics are in the logs | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | parsing them is bit of pain 'though :P | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but it will be a big PITA to put this stuff into the wiki, i think the formatting gets all messed up | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | as you can see on the 2018 etherpad now, all items are #1 | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | so how about we just put links to those archival etherpads? | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | we sort of have links at the top of the current agenda | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i could copy that paragraph about how to find old agendas to the meeting page on the wiki | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will do that | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | problem solved! | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: ++ | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | I guess that's good enough. at least there is reasonable way to find when topic X was discussed to get into the irc logs | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | sounds good, moving on | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | #topic glance release version | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance release version (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:25 | |
| rosmaita | yeah, this is a weird one | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | we have this situation that nikhil warned against, where we need to do some manual maintenance to update the db migration constants | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | it's easy to forget to do that | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | so i was trying to figure out a test | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | it matches the release number of the current branch via pbr to the first letter of the constant | 14:26 |
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| rosmaita | which won't distinguish 'austin' from 'aardvark' | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | but it's good enough for current purposes | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | anyway, the problem is that the way we're incrementing the version in the branch is by minor rev number | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | so master is currently 17.1.x | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | and will go to 18 when we do a release | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | yep | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | (i think -- smcginnis can tell us the details) | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | anyway, we could trigger master to go to 18.0.0 whenever we want | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | and we never hit this issue after the first milestone when those were still released ;) | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | yeah, so there's that, too | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | or, i could change the tests to look for minor version | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | but i think that would not be so reliable? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | if a stable branch went to x.1.x instead of x.0.1, the tests would break in that branch | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i don't know what to do | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | so I think the easiest solution is to defer migrations post milestone 1 and start tagging beta on that first milestone even if we ignore the rest | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | or did that feature trick from smcginnis actually solve the issue? | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | no, at least not for the test i wrote | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | so i believe that as long as the release version and constant name are in sync, the test i wrote will pass | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | which is good | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | if we cut a release without updating the constant, tests will fail | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | well one test, at least | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | although there may be a timing issue here | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | ok, so I need to add it in a todo list somewhere | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets tag 18 beta from master and add to our releaseliaison notes that we want to do that on the first milestone and we open the migrations in future after that | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | ok i will abandon the test patch and someone can pick it up later if they are so inclined | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | but we do need to update the constant for the default visibility change | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so if you ad bit of logic into that test it will keep working | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | we just want to check that the constant is equal or smaller than current release number | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | oh wait, that kind of defeats the purpose of that test, right? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yeah, that was my first thought | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | was trying to think it through | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | it would always pass, though ... that's nice | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | :) | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | so we would need to have first commit after the beta tag being the constant bump which will then open the development for migrations | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | who has access to edit releaseliason notes? | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | well it would not pass if someone tried to make migrations before we have the next release lined up, which is kind of counterintuitive | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think the test would break as soon as the bump happened | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | and then the constant change would open the gate again | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | yes | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | we'd have to be right on top of it, or the integrated gate will be a mess! | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | which is kind of good as then we will not forget to bump it | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: they're in the regular docs, so you just put up a patch | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | you may be looking at an old version if you are looking on the wiki | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, ack | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | ok, so real quick | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | forget it, forgot what i was going to say | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | it's that kind of morning here | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | ok, so are we in agreement that we will open db migrations on milestone 1 and in future tag that so we keep our pbr up to date for them and we do merge rosmaita's test for it which forces us to do the constant change? | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i think it makes sense :) | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like that should work. (sorry, lot's of distractions here) | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | obviously if we need something earlier, say fixing cva, we can tag that beta before milestone 1 for it | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | iirc, my test is currently failing because it depends on the constant change in a different patch | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i can rebase it and i think it should pass now | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | then the question is just do we do a quick milestone release, or just do the api-break thing to bump the version | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | so we can get the db stuff corrected for the default visibility change | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | I'll do beta release patch for us so we get that moving | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | tags are cheap | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will abandon the api-break patch | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | and rebase the test | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | #action rosmaita or abhishekk adds note to release liaison docs to make sure we tag beta release at latest on milestone 1 and change the migration constant to open development for db migrations | 14:42 |
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| abhishekk | ack | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | #topic db migration bug | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "db migration bug (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:43 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: this was your's as well, what bug is that? | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1812856 | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1812856 in Glance "DB migration code will break after 'z' release" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | when i was looking into the previous topic | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i noticed that our code sorts the migration scripts alphabetically | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | which will stop working after the 'z' cycle | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | oh | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | so we have some time to figure this out | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | but i did want to make everyone aware! | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we will have a different mechanism for it in 3.5 years. :) | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | great so after Z release we need to have zzbottom- prefix in our migration constants :P | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | yeah, like i said on the bug, when we designed this in ocata, we all thought we'd be gone by Z | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | lol | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | we still might | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | or we might not be using alembic but have moved to elastic on our db and never need to migrate anything anymore | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | anyway, that's all from me | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i've done enough damage for one meeting | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | as we can just throw any garbage to the db | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: nono, this is good. and I think it's good to have the test breaking the gate intentionally and odcumentation why so we keep on track with these | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | the manual housekeeping is bitch and what ever we can do to remind us is good | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | just please make sure the test provides some reasonable fail line so we do remember why it broke in 5 months time :P | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:49 | |
| jokke_ | #action jokke to put up 18-beta release patch | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | ok, will do, because the release number gets modded with 26, so after z the failure messages won't be clear at all | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | forgot this one | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | Anything else? | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | quick question ... can i rebase that test patch onto current master from the gerrit interface? | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | never tried, but you can | 14:51 |
| GregWaines | Wanted to let you guys know that I sent out an email with some updates on the Glance Edge Caching ... take a look and let me know your thoughts. | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | I think you can. | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | ack | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | GregWaines: sure will do thanks | 14:51 |
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| jokke_ | oh and btw, I submitted talk proposal for the summit around Image management edge scenarios | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:52 |
| GregWaines | cool | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, rosmaita imacdonn has also asking about location related bug, I guess he has replied to ML as well | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | if it gets approved my idea is to run a bit of recap of the discussions I've had with various people over past 2 years or so and what is currently available and what we're working on to make the life in edge possible | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: ohh yeah, there was that | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | totally forgot it from the agenda | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | so I think we keep the multiple backends EXPERIMENTAL for Stein just to make sure we have covered all the needs to address the destination backend and start defaulting into it in Train | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | last 5 minutes | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | anyone heavily opposing that? | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | no opposition from me | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | did you get any feedback at the summit? | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | i mean, are operators dying to use the feature right now | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | no problem for me | 14:56 |
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| jokke_ | no, more similar concerns as imacdonn of quick transition needing to start using it | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | btw, i just hit the rebase button in gerrit, checked the "change parent revision" box, and left the text box blank, and it rebased on master like normal | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | so please reply to his mail as well | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | I guess we need to document it as well | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | so if we have no problem making sure we have all bases covered I'll shoot email to the list stating that we're deferring it by a cycle and coordinate with cinder and nova that we do take care of any details needed from their side in Train | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:58 |
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| jokke_ | last minute | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | anything else? | 14:59 |
| GregWaines | .... have a good week. | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | GregWaines: you too! | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | thanks all | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 24 14:59:33 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-01-24-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-01-24-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-01-24-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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