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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 17 14:01:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 14:01 |
| GregWaines | o/ | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| jokke_ | really quick two | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | first of all I have requested a room for us in PTG | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | So hoping we can get interested parties joining and we can get some work planning moving on there | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | yey | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | second thing I have in my mind. IIRC the submissions for talks for the summit is closing | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | so if you have something planned make sure you have submitted your proposals | 14:04 |
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| abhishekk | ack | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| jokke_ | abhishekk stage is yours | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | thanks | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | we are in R-12 weeks | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | S2 milestone has just passed | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | It's time for us to be prepared for non-client library, i.e. glance-store release | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | (We have one important patch up for glance-store, rosmaita added that to discussion) | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Periodic jobs, all is well | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | everything is green at the moment | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | One more thing I almost forgot. You might have noticed we have RP column now in the gerrit | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | over to you again | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | saw that | 14:08 |
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| jokke_ | So keep an eye on that and please review those pathes flagged with +votes as priority | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:08 |
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| jokke_ | and also cores should have rights to vote on that column so do not expect me being only one flagging those | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | on that note, do either of you have a link to the default viz change patch? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | I can dig it out for you | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | looks like that will be up to me and sean since you and abhishek are co-authors | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/628430/ | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | i have to build a new devstack this weekend, i will test the migration on my old one, and then check the fresh install on the new one | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | ok lets move on | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | #topic unicode object TypeError from swift store hashing | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "unicode object TypeError from swift store hashing (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:12 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: you wanted to take this one | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | yeah, just wanted to discuss the patch real quick | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i am wondering whether the fix should be in the readers instead of in the driver? | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | also, i am worried about not having a test | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | because i am confused about how this error happens in the first place | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I'm even more worried about the fact that doing the encoding likely breaks anyone who upgrades to py3 | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i thought we were dealing with byte streams everywhere | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | So py27 does not use utf-8 encoding and using that with py3 _will_ give different hash | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | which means that the hash verifications will fail once you have cross version platform or the python version changes over upgrade | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yeah, with the md5, the problem is that it's hashing string, not bytes | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | you'd think we'd see other problems, because a raw byte stream has to have all sorts of crap in it that would make it illegal utf-8 | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | I don't think so | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | well utf-8 uses the whole range of 8bits so it's always possible ot encode to that | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | I just have no idea how the md5 actually works on py2.7 which has default encoding of 'ascii' that is only 7 bits | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i thought it just worked on the raw bytes | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | and I think we need to verify that before jumping the gun and adding some encoding there that will produce different results | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | see, the problem you mentioned earlier is that the string -> byte translation is different for py2 and py3 | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | but if we don't need to translate | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | then we have the exact same bytes | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i am confused about what in our code thinks the image data is a unicode stream | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | as said, we need to figure this out before just going and starting to encode shit and breaking whole world with it | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | right, i think we need to have an online meeting so we can talk it out | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ and wy this seems to break only with the swift driver | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i admit, i am talking out of my butt here since i havne't had time to dig in | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | there must be something different there we're missing | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | but the whole situation is a bit weird | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: ++ | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | Who ever is interested to dig into this with us, please let me know | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i would feel much better if we knew why this is only the swift driver that's affected | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | I'll try to schedule bluejeans for us for tomorrow | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i'm on pto tomorrow, will be travelling | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | oh ok | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but you don't need me if you want to get started | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | for monday then unless we find the reason out before that | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | because encoding is used in swift driver only | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: so our swift driver actually encodes the data? | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | :o | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i'm not clear why it is used there at all | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I guess so | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | this is a very weird situation | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ok lets dig into this and get someone with swift/swiftclient knowledge involved | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | if there is no reason to encode it, we should get rid of that encoding in the driver | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i think it must be on our end, because swift itself is all py2 | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | and iirc, they have no plans to make it py3 | 14:26 |
| LiangFang | swift is not so popular now, is replaced by ceph | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | anyway, schedule a monday meeting at a good time for abhishek, i can get up early to make up for not being available tomorrow | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke will try to get hold of some swift folks to see if there is actual reason to do encoding on the data and we decide how we move on after | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | I am confused, its not on the master | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets not burn our meeting time for the investigation and find way forward offline | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | https://github.com/openstack/glance_store/blob/master/glance_store/_drivers/swift/store.py#L1629 | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | according to wxy's comment in the bug, it only shows up when we start chunking the object | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | #topic cache prefetcher redesing | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cache prefetcher redesing (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:28 | |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: this was your | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ? | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | cache-prefetcher in agenda | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | item #4 on agenda | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | ohh, sorry | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | Just to highlight | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | cache-prefetcher is using registry which is deprecated and is in line to remove this cycle | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | I moved it up from the Open Discussion | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | yes | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | so we need to change the entire design pf cache-prefetcher to use v2 api instead of registry | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | GR8 ... do we need actual api extensions for this? | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | Earlier I have submitted a spec-lite for this but I guess it will require full spec now | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | I guess yes | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | bummer | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: ok do you have tomorrow free? | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | how bad a change is it? | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | Its a mess | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I have | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | :( | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: ok, lets get on bluejeans tomorrow and have a look on this | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | Fixing cache-manage was a easy task, but cache-prefetcher will be tough one | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ping me once you are online | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: will do ... I'll try to make it as early as possible to not burn your fri night | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | thank you ;) | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | #topic Feature branch for edge image handling (namely metadata caching) | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature branch for edge image handling (namely metadata caching) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:34 | |
| GregWaines | :-) | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | So GregWaines and his guys have been working on this metadata caching spec | 14:34 |
| GregWaines | Is this possible to move forward on at least a POC wrt the Glance Edge work ? | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | and their code is based on old glance which makes all kind of life around this difficult | 14:35 |
| GregWaines | in the stein timeframe | 14:35 |
| GregWaines | yeah we would .... minimally port our existing code to stein | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | So I was thinking of kicking up feature branch for it so that the code could be brought up to master while we keep working on the spec | 14:36 |
| GregWaines | I like that idea | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | I wanted to bring this up to confirm that everyone would be on board with this | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i agree, it's a good idea, it will allow work to continue | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | I'm not expecting this to be released with Stein, but I do want to see the work moving on and us having common place to experiment and try this out | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | sounds good to me | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | checking out and carrying gerrit reviews for long period of time is not really sustainable | 14:38 |
| GregWaines | yeah understand that this will miss Stein wrt official glance branch | 14:38 |
| GregWaines | but gets our forked code closer to real glance and somewhere where you guys can look at it more easily | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | exactly | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:39 |
| LiangFang | ++ | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | So what I'm expecting from our cores is, please lets not nitpick on the commits to the feature branch, lets do the experientation and reverse if we need to | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | GregWaines, I will be happy to contribute as well | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:40 |
| GregWaines | excellent | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | and once we get the branch to the point we can agree it being sustainable we can then work on the merge between the branches | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | I do not want us wasting huge amount of time to try to finetune the code up to the highest standards while we are still working to even agree on the approach in the spec | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | but this allows the work to continue | 14:42 |
| GregWaines | Agreed | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | GregWaines: this might mean that we need to spend quite some time to work out patch from the feature branch we can submit to master if we agree on the approach but I think it would be worth of the effort to keep this moving | 14:43 |
| GregWaines | I am ok with that | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | as I expect the git history being a mess we don't want to just merge into master at the end :P | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | #startvote Everyone ok with the very experimental feature branch for metadata caching? yes, no | 14:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Everyone ok with the very experimental feature branch for metadata caching? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 14:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #vote yes | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | #vote yes | 14:45 |
| GregWaines | #vote yes | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:45 |
| LiangFang | #vote yes | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | #vote yes | 14:46 |
| LiangFang | I am not a core :) | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | I think that's all of us | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | LiangFang: this wasn't just for cores | 14:46 |
| LiangFang | Ok Ok | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | I really want us all aboard as a team | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | #endvote | 14:46 |
| openstack | Voted on "Everyone ok with the very experimental feature branch for metadata caching?" Results are | 14:46 |
| openstack | yes (6): LiangFang, smcginnis, GregWaines, abhishekk, jokke_, rosmaita | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | thanks all ... smcginnis I'll put the release patch for that up ;) | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:47 | |
| rosmaita | i was just looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/628430/ ... maybe you should tell ken'ichi that this restores visibility to its pre-ocata default, and since most people are on newton, they won't notice a difference when the upgrade to stein if we get back to viz==private on image creation | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | Anything else. We have generous 12 min ... | 14:47 |
| lpetrut | hi, so since we've reached the open discussion, there's something that I'd like to bring up (sorry for not adding a topic to the meeting agenda). | 14:47 |
| lpetrut | we'd like to run Glance on Windows. We have customers that are using Hyper-V and HA SMB shares on top of Storage Spaces Direct clusters. | 14:48 |
| lpetrut | they'd like to leverage those storage backends for Glance images as well, but the linux cifs client doesn't provide proper support for HA SMB shares at the moment. | 14:48 |
| lpetrut | I have a couple of small patches that will allow us to do so: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/630705/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/630706/ | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: thanks for that input | 14:48 |
| lpetrut | we already have CIs voting on Nova and Cinder that test our Nova Hyper-V driver in conjunction with the Cinder SMB driver. We could easily test Glance on Windows along with it, also testing each patch that lands on Glance. | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | I have some patches up for reviews, please have a look at those when all of you have some free time | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | free time ... what's that? | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: having CI on that would be amazing! | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | lpetrut: Doesn't look like the changes for that are too extensive. That's great. | 14:49 |
| lpetrut | just wanted to know what's your input on this so that we may move forward. If that's acceptable for you, I can file a blueprint and start working on a CI | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | the CI would be great, that addresses a lot of my reservations about this | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: I did notice your message in os-glance channel and the pathes but as they are flagged as WIP and we had some chaos here around the switf driver and good amount of discussion going on around the metadata caching I have kind of skipped those so far | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | lpetrut: Was the "WIP" just because you were waiting on the OK to move ahead with these? Or is there more work to be done? | 14:50 |
| lpetrut | sure, no worries. indeed, I wanted to have some input before removing the "WIP" tag :) that, and I need to add some tests | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | lpetrut, I doubt those patch are tested as well | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/630706/4/glance/common/wsgi.py@362 | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: cool ... have you actually ran our tests on Win or are these just addressing some specific issues you stumbled upon? | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | Here CONF.pipe_handle is used while option name defined as 'pipe-handle' | 14:52 |
| lpetrut | abhishekk: that's intended | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | Eagle eyes! :) | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:53 |
| lpetrut | jokke: did some minimal testing for now (uploading some images, spinning up some instances). I'll run the full tempest suite ASAP | 14:53 |
| lpetrut | at this point, the only thing that I'm a bit concerned is the glance task feature | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | aren't we all | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | lpetrut, ohh, eager to know how it understands the difference | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: cool ... run the unit and the functional tests from the repo as well. I'm very interested to hear how it behaves | 14:53 |
| lpetrut | the functional tests may need some changes in order to run on Windows but I think that's manageable | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | IIRC last person who tried this deemed it way too much of work to keep going, so I'd be very happy to hear if we can claim it actually working | 14:54 |
| lpetrut | for now, we only support running under eventlet. I was aiming IIS as well, but had some issues because of chunked encoding and the fact that it was buffering the whole image | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | and if we get CI to back that up, I have no problems to support such efforts | 14:55 |
| lpetrut | awesome, thanks a lot for feedback. I'll keep you posted. | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: we really only support running under eventlet for multiple reasons | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | one being the taskflow totally breaking or the full bufferinf of the images under fully fledged web servers | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | so don't spend too much time banging your head against the wall to get it working under iss | 14:56 |
| lpetrut | jokke_: I was actually wondering if that's expected to change in the near future. Some people want to drop eventlet. | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: yeah they do, we have no intention to spend time on that | 14:57 |
| lpetrut | got it | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | as it seems to be massive change for us | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | 2min | 14:57 |
| lpetrut | would this require a spec? | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | with minimum manpower atm | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | lpetrut: I'll need to look into the patches. At least spec-lite would be amazing just for documenting the work that is going on | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | we can see what needs to be done and if we want to expand it to full spec | 14:58 |
| lpetrut | makes sense. we'll provide some proper documentation once we're there. | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | ok last minute on its way | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | anything else? | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | nope, please review \0/ | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 17 14:59:57 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-01-17-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-01-17-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-01-17-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:00 |
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| notmyname | jokke_: saw the playback mentioning swift. please join us in #openstack-swift and we'll see what questions we can answer | 17:30 |
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