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| LiangFang | hi | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 20 14:01:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | hello o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 14:01 |
| GregWaines | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | sorry, we had company EMEA call that ran til exactly the top of the hour, gimme a minute here | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | there we go | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| jokke_ | So as agreed we will not have a meeting next week the 27th due to the EMEA and US holiday season | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:05 |
| LiangFang | ack | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | yey | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | As we have the M-2 coming up at 10th I will be in for the meeting at 3rd of Jan | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | me as well | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | although, please note I will be travelling between new year and mid Jan, so the start of January I will definitely not be available for most of US timezones | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | me neither, but for different reasons :) | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | ack :) | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | then to the technical side | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | The gating failures we saw were traced back to oslo.policy change that was merged and released pretty much on same day so we did not get advanced warning from our tips tests | 14:10 |
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| abhishekk | I guess it started to fail on the same day when oslo.policy new version was released | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | did we ever add back the glance functional tests to the requirements gate? | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | this change started to make deepcopies of the target object for it's internal processing and due to our onion model and the fact that our policies are not on the API layer it hit one of our nested proxy objects that definitely were not copyable | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | causin infite loop in the gate | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625086/ | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625114/ | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | we definitel should work through the later before logging off for the holidays | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | although I will be around still parts of next week | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | i will be around for this too | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | kind of important to get it fixed correctly | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | (item 6 on the agenda) | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | this was fun to debug as it started to put so much output in gate that it also failed the logging there and the amount of details we got from the gate job was next to none | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | huge hand to cdent and mriedemann for helping us out with this! | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | LiangFang, has also tried from his end | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | absolutely and my point was not to undermine any of the glance teams effort but those two guys are not actively working on glance, yet they took the time and stepped in when the understanding of gating etc. was needed | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | which was extremely helpful to filter out what was just jitter or side effects happening in the gate vs. what was actually breaking | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | ok ... lets move on so we do not run out of the time | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:20 | |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: stage is yours | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | Stein Milestoen 2 is 3 weeks away | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | Please put/review the patches as much as possible | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | Periodic tips jobs are all green (Finally) | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | Thanks to erno and nova guys again | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | did the review priority stuff merge into gerrit? | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | That's it from the topic | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | not yet I guess | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: not yet, zuul doesn't agree with me on something there | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: grab sean to help, he got it merged for cinder | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | just shoot him an email and ask him to take over the patch | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | nice ... I will, it's on my todo list for today, I'd like to get it in so we can utilize it already during the holidays when we're running skeleton crew | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | he also set up a dashboard with a tiny url, ask him to do that too | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | Now I'd like to highlight here also that we do not release milestone releases anymore | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | but with M-2 the lib freeze is approaching very quickly | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | so if there is anything major that needs to be done in glance-store, lets get that ongoing | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | same with our client patches even I think they freeze bit later | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | is there anything other than finalizing the multiple back end support? | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | for glance_store, i mean | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | nothing as of now | 14:26 |
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| LiangFang | I have one patch of glance_store | 14:27 |
| LiangFang | abhishekk: and rosmaita already reviewed it | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: read the scrollback, i volunteered you for some stuff | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | I don't think so. Majority of the back-end handling changes we will likely need to do is glance end and how store is interfaced rather than actual store changes | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Hah, will do. | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: welcome welcome | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | ok, can we move on? | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | one minute | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | there are some deprecated config opts in glance_store due for removal | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-stein-deprecations | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | ok, if they can be safely done, we should get those done | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | asap so we can get those gating for a while before hitting the deadline | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | take a quick look at the etherpad | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | 'stores' and 'default_store' say subj to removal in stein | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | is that true? | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | we are not removing stores and default_store option yet, so that needs to be changed | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | the swift ones should at least be ok to go | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I don't think we can | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | Earlier (when spec was approved it is decided to remove it in S but later we decided to keep it for another cycle or two) | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will put up a patch to amend the deprecation text for those two | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita glance_store patch updating dep notice for 'stores' and 'default_store' | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | thanks | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | yeah I think it was bit hastily decided to be ready to get rid of the old style in Stein and just move to the multistore model | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | any volunteers for the swift options? | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | basically the multi-store is still experimental so we cannot expect production clouds to migrate to that for their upgrades be clean to Stein if we remove those | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | right | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | reminding the N -> N+1 should be working with same config file principle we have | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | Lets move ahead | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | I can't promise I will be able to take those swift ones before the break so if someone else have time to tackle them, fleet free | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | feel | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | ok moving on | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | #topic updating show_multiple_locations deprecation notice | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updating show_multiple_locations deprecation notice (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:36 | |
| rosmaita | that's me | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: this is yours I think | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | it's come up in the glance channel that some operators have taken the deprecation notice seriously and tried to make it False and use policies | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | which of course we know cannot work | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | and they are quite annoyed | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | as you would | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i figure we should update the deprecation notice to be accurate | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | so please look at the patch and let me know what you think | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/625702 | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | looks straight forward to me | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i just wanted to make sure what i say there is accurate | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | yes, unfortunately that deprecation notice was done based on the promise of us having people to work on the policy refactoring which never happened and the change slipped from us | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | agreed | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | so lets make that change _and_ backport it to stable | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | it's my fault for letting the notice not be changed for so long | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i kept thinking we were about to start work on it | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: well I have been equally ignorant about that | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | how far back to we want to backport it? | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | should be pretty clean, just deprecation note change and release note | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | thus, lets push it to stable as well so we get those notices corrected for people who are running stable and trying to work on them | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: Rocky and Queens I'd quess | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | we still have ocata and pike in stable/ | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | and once that is done, me or you can write to the mailing list about it | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yes, but those two are not our responsibility | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | ok lets move on, thanks for bringing this up | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | np | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | #topic lower constrains under py36 | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "lower constrains under py36 (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:42 | |
| rosmaita | me again | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | there is something very weird about the lower constraints job | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | cdent left a note on the test patch i put up | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | first of all, pardon my ignorance, I didn't realize we even had 3.6 jobs I thought the community is focusing on 3.5 and 3.7 | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | i looked at what he mentioned, and it does indeed seem like the job as currently configured is behaving properly | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: i must admit, i lost track of what is happening with py3 efforts | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | 3.6 is the current targeted runtime for stein. | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | The policy has been to go with whatever is the default on the LTS releases of our supported platforms at the start of the cycle. | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | what smcginnis said, so all the infra stuff is switching to run in py36 | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | That means 3.5 is no longer the target and 3.6 is. | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | We need to be ready for 3.7 as that's likely what we will end up with for Train. | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | ohh | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | We've just been lucky that we've had a period there where there wasn't much change so we got used to just sticking with the same version. | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i have lost focus on what the lower-constraints are supposed to do, so i would like someone to take over the WIP patch i put up with the changes cdent suggested | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | there's a comment on the patch with a link to 2 pastes showing the different pip freeze outputs you get | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/626008 | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | so the lower constraints IIUC is the minimum versions of dependencies we test and promise to be working | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | i don't know that this is a high priority | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Correct. | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I will take this (but around 26) | 14:47 |
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| jokke_ | so in that light this is fairly important | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ty | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | thanks abhishekk | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it's passing with that patch, so that's good. | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | no issues | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think we may need to adjust the l-c.txt based on this, but there doesn't seem to be any major problem (yet) | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | so what I'm bit confused about is why do we have version numbers in our requirements with upper and lower constraints but in general that's the case ;) | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | also note that project based blacklisting does not work in the requirements | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | so us changing our requirements files has no effect on gate, all those changes must be done in the requirements repo | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | exactly | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | this came to my knowledge when we were troubleshooting the gating issues discussed earlier | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | I tried to blacklist the oslo.policy to see if it indeed was the cause of our issues and gate still installed the blacklisted version and used that | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | so again I'm not sure why we do have those files in our repo in the first place | 14:51 |
| LiangFang | should we change tox.ini to use blacklist? | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | we have limited time and GregWaines has something to say in open discussion | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i'm done | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | #topic catch rdb NoSpace exception | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "catch rdb NoSpace exception (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:53 | |
| jokke_ | LiangFang: you had this one | 14:54 |
| LiangFang | it's mine, thanks | 14:54 |
| LiangFang | i want to confirm with rosmaita, should I change image name to image id in this patch or in a followup patch? | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | LiangFang, its good to be fixed in same patch I guess | 14:55 |
| LiangFang | OK | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | i wasn't sure if there was a good reason for rbd to use name instead of id? | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | we should always log id | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | that was my thought, but i wasn't sure, since it's name everywhere else in that file | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | so if we have previously been logging name somewhere that is bug | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | yeah, so maybe a separate patch would be better | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | as image doesn't need to have name at all so that would just lead the string being omitted | 14:56 |
| LiangFang | ok | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: for fixing the existing, yes. Anything that is introduced now should be fixed before merging | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | Last 3 minutes, next topic is already discussed | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool. so LiangFang use id on this patch in that code you touch, file a new bug, and then change the rest | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | we should not introduce buggy behavior even for consistency | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:57 |
| LiangFang | ok | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | yeah, skip 6, though look at my comment on the patch, please | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:58 | |
| GregWaines | I wanted to check in on status of REVIEW https://review.openstack.org/#/c/619638/ | 14:58 |
| GregWaines | ( Image Caching Enhancements for Edge Cloud ) | 14:58 |
| GregWaines | I have made updates based on first round of comments from Erno and Abhishek . | 14:58 |
| GregWaines | Major change was to simplify proposal by removing the capability of Edge Cloud to be able to create local images … this was causing issues and was not absolutely required. | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | the proxy topic was pretty well covered at the beginning of the meeting | 14:58 |
| GregWaines | Just wanted to check in on when next round of reviews could be done ? | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | GregWaines, I will review it in next couple of days | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | do you have PoC for this? | 14:59 |
| GregWaines | excellent ... thanks very much. | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | GregWaines: i will also commit to review asap | 14:59 |
| GregWaines | We do have a PoC for this ... although it is based on PIKE | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | GregWaines: thanks for addressing those concerns. As you might have noticed if you were following the meeting, we've had bit of exitement lately. I will try to do a review on that before going for my travels | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | great | 15:00 |
| LiangFang | GregWaines: is there any code implemention done? | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Times up. | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | happy holidays | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | GregWaines: and also, you are doing the right thing by showing up and asking for reviews! | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 20 15:00:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| GregWaines | we have not started the upstream implementation @ master yet ... were waiting on review approval | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-12-20-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-12-20-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-12-20-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| jokke_ | we can continue on #openstack-glance | 15:01 |
| GregWaines | ... thanks for your time | 15:01 |
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