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| dmellado | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 10 14:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dmellado. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:00 |
| dmellado | Hi folks, who's around today? | 14:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 14:00 |
| aperevalov | o/ | 14:00 |
| dmellado | #chair dulek | 14:00 |
| ltomasbo | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dmellado dulek | 14:00 |
| dmellado | #chair ltomasbo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dmellado dulek ltomasbo | 14:00 |
| dmellado | hmmm seems like we're missing a few folks around here | 14:01 |
| yboaron_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| dmellado | #chair yboaron_ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dmellado dulek ltomasbo yboaron_ | 14:01 |
| dmellado | celebdor_: | 14:01 |
| dmellado | lazy former ptl | 14:01 |
| dmellado | xD | 14:01 |
| dmellado | seems like we're also missing sean | 14:01 |
| dmellado | I wanted to discuss the os-vif issue around here | 14:02 |
| dmellado | dulek: I've seen your email replying to him | 14:02 |
| dmellado | as I was away due to bank holidays | 14:02 |
| dmellado | any additional concerns that you or anyone might have with this? | 14:03 |
| dulek | Ah, I haven't checked again if I've got a reply to that email… | 14:03 |
| dmellado | to put up some context on the ppl around here, it seems that os-vif is basically going to change stuff and break backwards compatibility | 14:03 |
| dmellado | so we have two options, IMHO | 14:03 |
| dulek | Hm, nop.e | 14:03 |
| dmellado | 1) Check back with the os-vif folks, which I wanted to do today on the meeting | 14:04 |
| dmellado | or 2) Just go and use kuryr-lib bindings | 14:04 |
| dmellado | with my personal opinion going on the latter | 14:04 |
| dmellado | I will also reply to dulek's email | 14:04 |
| dmellado | with my preference and so, as I would've loved to get some more quorum and discussion on this here | 14:05 |
| dmellado | so for the people that are around, any concerns on 2) ? | 14:05 |
| celebdor_ | I'm here | 14:05 |
| celebdor_ | I was dropping the kid at school | 14:05 |
| dulek | dmellado: Remember that besides binding it also means copying os-vif o.vo's into our code. | 14:06 |
| dulek | Otherwise we're unable to read older annotations. | 14:06 |
| dmellado | dulek: yeah, that's why I said I'd address that on an email, as it'd imply some stuff like that | 14:06 |
| celebdor_ | dulek: you're right on the older annotations | 14:07 |
| dmellado | celebdor_: any additional concerns you might have on this? | 14:07 |
| dmellado | TBH, after the email I was thinking about filling a blueprint | 14:07 |
| dmellado | but I don't think that this will be affecting to us only | 14:08 |
| dmellado | and thus wanted to raise the flag with os-vif folks and the TC | 14:08 |
| dmellado | as breaking backwards compatibility is something that probably won't be allowed | 14:08 |
| dulek | dmellado: Well, they say that o.vo's serialization was never the public API. | 14:08 |
| dulek | From my discussion with Sean they're really willing to do changes in such a way that we can easily support. | 14:09 |
| dmellado | dulek: my concern is that this might happen again in the future | 14:09 |
| dmellado | and we'd be better off with something that is under our control | 14:10 |
| dmellado | but I'll follow up on the email. Sean told me that he'd be attending the meeting today but obviously he couldn't xD | 14:10 |
| dulek | dmellado: Yeah, I get the argument. My concern with os-vif policy on that email is "we will support serialization in the future". | 14:11 |
| dulek | For us it should be - we make necessary changes now, Kuryr folks swallow that and from now on it's stable, public API. | 14:11 |
| dulek | With that I'd be fine. | 14:11 |
| dmellado | dulek: yeah, I was looking for some reply there, let's see | 14:11 |
| dmellado | +1 | 14:11 |
| dmellado | otherwise we'll go for our own version | 14:12 |
| dulek | Fine with me, sounds like a fair trade-off for both teams. | 14:12 |
| dulek | And I know that celebdor_ is for ditching it now. ;) | 14:13 |
| dmellado | so, what else? I've a few more topics for the day but I don't want to monopolize the meeting | 14:13 |
| dmellado | anything else anyone? xD | 14:13 |
| aperevalov | maybe me, something regarding SR-IOV again ) | 14:14 |
| dmellado | aperevalov: shoot! ;) | 14:14 |
| celebdor_ | dulek: I'm for keeping it during 15 | 14:14 |
| celebdor_ | and ditching it for 16 | 14:14 |
| dmellado | celebdor_: that's DS xD | 14:15 |
| celebdor_ | I meant, S and Train | 14:15 |
| dulek | celebdor_: You mean Stein and train? | 14:15 |
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| dmellado | exactly | 14:15 |
| celebdor_ | I only remember train | 14:15 |
| celebdor_ | CHoo CHoooo | 14:15 |
| aperevalov | we tald about tempest tests, so now it almost done, but now I'm in vacation ), but I have some point... it's about dummy implementation... | 14:15 |
| dmellado | celebdor_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8ICZoMIJ0 | 14:15 |
| aperevalov | w/o sriov hw | 14:15 |
| celebdor_ | aperevalov: what's the minimum kernel req for that? | 14:16 |
| aperevalov | celebdor_, do you mean for none hw way of testing? | 14:16 |
| celebdor_ | yeah | 14:16 |
| celebdor_ | for gates | 14:16 |
| dmellado | aperevalov: so basically we want to make sure that the dummy one is something that is supported on gates hw | 14:17 |
| aperevalov | unfortunately it's impossible to do it w/o hardware right now, I tald with sean about it, he did the same reseach of kernel/qemu. I filled blueprint for it. | 14:17 |
| dmellado | aperevalov: do you have any link for it? | 14:18 |
| aperevalov | one moment | 14:19 |
| dmellado | aperevalov: if that's the case the best case would be for this would be to have third party CI for kuryr with SRIOV hardware. Back there garyloug told that intel would be willing to provide such hw setup | 14:19 |
| dmellado | but we'd need to double check with him | 14:19 |
| aperevalov | celebdor_, please take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/test-sriov-ports-without-sriov-hw | 14:20 |
| aperevalov | I assumed to do some mockup which doesn't require hw, but it requires sriov binding driver modification (some special mode). I feel it's not good idea ;) | 14:21 |
| dmellado | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/test-sriov-ports-without-sriov-hw | 14:21 |
| dmellado | aperevalov: I'll check with the infra folks just in case, but seems like FT won't be possible for now, yeah | 14:22 |
| aperevalov | regarding Gary, and his nested, I rebased, but upper-constraints.txt still has os-vif 1.11.1 reference, need to update it to 1.12, I already updated in patch (requirements.txt) to 1.12) | 14:22 |
| dmellado | #action dmellado to check with infra re: sriov hw | 14:22 |
| dulek | aperevalov: We've talked at the Summit that for the first step it's fine if you'll add a "dummy" SR-IOV binding driver. | 14:22 |
| dulek | aperevalov: So I'm fine with this. | 14:23 |
| dmellado | dulek: yeah, until 3rd party CI is set that's the max they would be able to do | 14:23 |
| dmellado | I recall speaking with AJaeger about hw anyway, so I'll recheck | 14:23 |
| aperevalov | dulek, ok. Separate driver or just a configuration tweak for current one? | 14:23 |
| dmellado | from my side both would work, unless the strict dulek has any more concerns xD | 14:24 |
| aperevalov | ;) | 14:24 |
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| dulek | aperevalov: Separate, just make it inherit from the current one. :) | 14:25 |
| aperevalov | ok | 14:25 |
| dmellado | all right, anything else on sriov? | 14:25 |
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| aperevalov | I think that all for now except this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/616504/. | 14:27 |
| aperevalov | And regarding DPDK, I hope Danil will check Gary's patch in run time. | 14:27 |
| dmellado | awesome, thanks for all the update aperevalov | 14:28 |
| dmellado | dulek: I'm pretty sure you'd have a new topic, besides Alhambra | 14:28 |
| aperevalov | we changed interface and added container_id, it was necessary for DPDK on BM, but SR-IOV binding driver was merged w/o correct rebase. Also that patch adds unit tests. | 14:29 |
| dulek | dmellado: Uhm…? | 14:29 |
| dmellado | dulek: meeting topic, I meant ;) | 14:29 |
| dulek | aperevalov: I have it opened, will review in next round. :) | 14:29 |
| dmellado | otherwise, I can go | 14:29 |
| dmellado | ltomasbo: around? | 14:29 |
| dulek | dmellado: Well, we were to discuss the idea of dropping support for running non-containerized Kuryr-Kubernetes? | 14:29 |
| ltomasbo | dmellado, have to leave now-ish for a meeting... | 14:30 |
| dmellado | yep, CI stuff was my next topic | 14:30 |
| dmellado | ltomasbo: go to your meeting, we'll sync afterwards | 14:30 |
| ltomasbo | dmellado, I'll be reading... and trying to answer | 14:30 |
| dmellado | just wanted to mention that regarding NP, we'll make a kuryr release supporting it within this week | 14:30 |
| dmellado | I'll be finishing the devref | 14:30 |
| dmellado | and putting up a few more tempest tests for its experimental gate | 14:31 |
| aperevalov | we're using venv for development | 14:31 |
| dmellado | #topic Upstream CI | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upstream CI (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:32 | |
| dmellado | here as dulek was saying I was thinking about changing both the documentation and the gates | 14:32 |
| dmellado | and set containerized and daemonized as both the preferred installation mode | 14:32 |
| dmellado | and the main gates there | 14:32 |
| dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623444/ | 14:32 |
| dmellado | from this patch, dulek had a few concerns where we agreed to keep the lbaas and the centos gate, at least for the cycle | 14:33 |
| dmellado | so has anyone strong feelings about this? xD | 14:33 |
| dulek | Soooo… Who's using kuryr-kubernetes anywhere? :D | 14:34 |
| dulek | And can provide us with feedback on how they run it? | 14:34 |
| dulek | Because that needs to be main decision factor. | 14:35 |
| dulek | If we'll be breaking someone's use case, we're the evil breaking-backwards-compatibility guys. | 14:35 |
| aperevalov | dulek, our production is containerized | 14:35 |
| dulek | aperevalov: That's great to hear. :) | 14:35 |
| dmellado | awesome, totally glad to hear that too | 14:36 |
| dmellado | in any case also I'll send an email to the ML as I wanted to hear from irena and gary | 14:36 |
| dmellado | and hongbin as well if possible | 14:36 |
| dmellado | in the meanwhile I'll update my patch | 14:37 |
| dmellado | and I'll try to make sure I don't become an evil guy in the process, dulek xD | 14:38 |
| dmellado | #topic open discussion | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:38 | |
| dmellado | All right, so it looks like that's it for today | 14:40 |
| dmellado | thanks for attending, folks! | 14:40 |
| dmellado | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 10 14:41:00 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-12-10-14.00.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-12-10-14.00.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-12-10-14.00.log.html | 14:41 |
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| thedac | o/ | 16:59 |
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| thedac | #startmeeting charms | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 10 17:00:55 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thedac. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:00 |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:01 |
| fnordahl | \o | 17:01 |
| thedac | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review ACTION points from previous meeting (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:01 | |
| thedac | jamespage to sort out wonky bugs in charms that should be fix released | 17:01 |
| thedac | jamespage: Did you get a chance to look at those? ^^ | 17:01 |
| jamespage | lets mark that completed - I think I got them all | 17:01 |
| thedac | Ta | 17:01 |
| thedac | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "State of Development for next Charm Release (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:02 | |
| thedac | fnordahl: Want to tell us about Octavia? | 17:02 |
| fnordahl | The promised stable release update to Octavia landed on Friday | 17:02 |
| fnordahl | The octavia and barbican-vault charms should be promulgated now, and we are about to get the octavia-dashboard out the door. | 17:03 |
| thedac | \o/ | 17:03 |
| johnsom | +1 cool, thank you folks! | 17:03 |
| fnordahl | A section has been added to the deployment guide, there is also a overlay bundle up as a PR to the openstack-bundles repo | 17:03 |
| thedac | The OpenStack charmers have received our roadmap items and we have begun our next cycle of development for 19.04 | 17:04 |
| thedac | More to come | 17:04 |
| thedac | Anything else to add? | 17:04 |
| thedac | Moving on | 17:05 |
| thedac | #topic High Priority Bugs | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High Priority Bugs (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:05 | |
| thedac | Critical bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs | 17:05 |
| thedac | High priority bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority | 17:05 |
| thedac | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms/+bugs | 17:05 |
| thedac | We have a critical bug which I belive admcleod is working on as we speak | 17:05 |
| thedac | 73 High importance bugs | 17:05 |
| thedac | 60 New bugs | 17:05 |
| thedac | We are making a dent. More work to do | 17:05 |
| thedac | Any bugs to highlight here? | 17:06 |
| tinwood | not from me | 17:06 |
| thedac | Ok | 17:06 |
| thedac | #topic Openstack Events | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Events (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:06 | |
| thedac | Since it is the end of the year I am not aware of much until next Spring. | 17:07 |
| thedac | Anyone else have events to talk about? | 17:07 |
| jamespage | nope | 17:07 |
| thedac | OK | 17:07 |
| thedac | #topic Open Discussion | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:07 | |
| thedac | Anyone have something to discuss? | 17:08 |
| thedac | Going once | 17:09 |
| thedac | twice | 17:09 |
| thedac | #topic Next Chair | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next Chair (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:09 | |
| thedac | gnouy is the next chair | 17:09 |
| thedac | Thanks everyone | 17:09 |
| thedac | #endmeeting | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:09 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 10 17:09:47 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2018/charms.2018-12-10-17.00.html | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2018/charms.2018-12-10-17.00.txt | 17:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2018/charms.2018-12-10-17.00.log.html | 17:09 |
| fnordahl | thanks thedac o/ | 17:11 |
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