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| egonzalez | #startmeeting kolla | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 19 15:00:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is egonzalez. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:00 |
| egonzalez | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:01 | |
| chason | o/ | 15:01 |
| donghm_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| pbourke | o/ | 15:01 |
| egonzalez | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:03 | |
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| egonzalez | Im planning to tag rc2 this week | 15:03 |
| egonzalez | a few changes are missing to merge due broken gates the last few days | 15:04 |
| egonzalez | now are green, please check https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kolla+branch:stable/rocky+status:open and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kolla-ansible+branch:stable/rocky+status:open | 15:04 |
| egonzalez | any other announcement? | 15:05 |
| pbourke | none from me | 15:05 |
| egonzalez | #topic Berlin summit | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin summit (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:06 | |
| mgoddard | o/ | 15:06 |
| egonzalez | Topic propossal for berlin summit is open until 26th september | 15:06 |
| egonzalez | If have any topic want to discuss with devs and ops, please make a propossal | 15:07 |
| egonzalez | process is the same as call for presentations for a summit talk https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/call-for-presentations | 15:07 |
| egonzalez | if the topic is related to kolla, add it to the etherpad list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-forum-stein | 15:08 |
| egonzalez | other than this, are you guys planning attend the summit? | 15:09 |
| pbourke | unsure yet | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | I will attend | 15:09 |
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| donghm_ | no from me | 15:10 |
| egonzalez | hope we can get more people than in denver | 15:10 |
| egonzalez | #topic Denver PTG recap | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver PTG recap (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:11 | |
| egonzalez | I was not able attend the PTG until friday, probably mgoddard can help us more on this topic | 15:12 |
| egonzalez | etherpad list if want to take a look are at | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | PTG was pretty quiet for kolla. I was the only core present, and spsurya and egonzalez joined in when they could. There were a few non-cores in the room also | 15:13 |
| egonzalez | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-stein-ptg-recap-priority-setting | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | I also could only join on thurs & friday | 15:13 |
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| mgoddard | we had some useful discussions, but some where difficult when the person who proposed the topic was unknown or not present | 15:14 |
| mgoddard | so I think we need to make sure each topic has a proposer listed, and that they either attend or arrange for someone else to attend on their behalf | 15:14 |
| mgoddard | it seemed like the timezone & travel was the main issue with attendance, although there does seem to have been a drop-off in contribution during rocky also | 15:15 |
| mgoddard | will be interesting to see if this changes at the summit | 15:16 |
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| mgoddard | these meetings are often not well attended, perhaps we need to shift to a more asia-friendly time? | 15:16 |
| egonzalez | for many contributors travel to europe and US is hard because of the VISA | 15:16 |
| egonzalez | thats true, meetings were already changed one hour before to be more asia friendly | 15:17 |
| mgoddard | yeah. I think we need to consider a fully virtual PTG next time | 15:17 |
| mgoddard | because the timezone still makes it difficult | 15:17 |
| egonzalez | will be at denver again right? but merged with the summit or a week before | 15:18 |
| mgoddard | yes, 3 day summit then 3 day PTG | 15:18 |
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| mgoddard | the main discussions with outcomes were around testing | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | we have some volunteers to help improve CI testing in kolla - scenarios and upgrades mostly | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | this is important if the project is becoming more maintenance mode | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | also had some good discussions with GoDaddy people. I'd like to make sure we get their patch chain merged this cycle | 15:20 |
| egonzalez | agree, and to become more stable for non core services which probable there are many broken | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | first one is haproxy refactor, looking good: https://review.openstack.org/601648 | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | there is a cross-community goal for python3, we should aim to start building py3 images | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | suggested to start with ubuntu & fedora | 15:22 |
| egonzalez | mandre already have a testing patch for py3 with fedora | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | ok cool | 15:22 |
| egonzalez | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582290/ | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | there is another community goal to support upgrade checks, we should support these | 15:22 |
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| mgoddard | placement will be split from nova this cycle, need to support that, hopefully will be a small change | 15:23 |
| mgoddard | spsurya is investigating dashboards, possibly leveraging something like ansible AWX or Rundeck | 15:24 |
| egonzalez | the placement change would be easier at first time, problem will came when the remove support to share the nova_api database and need data migration path | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | +1, I think they are planning to build a migration tool | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | I guess it would require downtime though? | 15:25 |
| egonzalez | that would be helpful, if not i would propose to build something cross deployment project to share the process | 15:25 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 15:25 |
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| mgoddard | yankcrime is planning to complete the DB backup/recovery work this cycle | 15:27 |
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| mgoddard | I'd like to try to add support to kolla for generating enough information to configure a firewall | 15:27 |
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| mgoddard | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-stein-ptg-firewall-config | 15:28 |
| mgoddard | also to list which images need building | 15:28 |
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| mgoddard | I think SamYaple was going to look into supporting LOCI images | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | I'm a bit meh on the above | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | egonzalez is planning to look at FFU | 15:29 |
| pbourke | I heard there was feedback that kolla is not suiting users as they can't bring their own images | 15:29 |
| pbourke | which is semi related to loci | 15:30 |
| egonzalez | pbourke what does (they can't bring their own images) means? | 15:30 |
| mgoddard | how many people have that issue? | 15:30 |
| pbourke | mgoddard: that's what Im not sure | 15:30 |
| egonzalez | nvm, got it | 15:31 |
| pbourke | egonzalez: because the start scripts are baked into kolla images, only those images can be used with kolla-ansible | 15:31 |
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| pbourke | which can make it seem less flexible | 15:31 |
| egonzalez | yep, users need to pass their dockerfiles to kolla build process | 15:31 |
| pbourke | its something to think about, particularly if we're seeing lower rates of participation | 15:32 |
| pbourke | anything that can bring more people to the project is good in my view | 15:32 |
| mgoddard | it's not something that bothers me, but would be interested to hear who it does bother | 15:32 |
| egonzalez | tripleo is using the start scripts too, no heard a complain about it | 15:33 |
| mgoddard | I'd like to know whether adoption is falling, or just contribution | 15:34 |
| pbourke | perhaps they go hand in hand | 15:34 |
| egonzalez | if we change the behaviour of the images, is something that affect many projects, not only k-ansible | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | seems to be common to openstack - it's as popular as ever, but companies have moved resources to shinier projects | 15:34 |
| pbourke | agreed | 15:35 |
| mgoddard | harder to justify maintenance than development | 15:35 |
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| mgoddard | I'm not against supporting LOCI, but we have a large base of images and years of testing. It could add significant complexity to support both | 15:36 |
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| mgoddard | anyways, that's probably enough PTG coverage, unless anyone has questions | 15:37 |
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| egonzalez | i'm waiting for translations of the user survey to talk about it, but there are downstream projects which also uses kolla images with their own orchestrations on top, would be nice if some of them can join forum discussions and talk about it | 15:38 |
| egonzalez | thanks for the coverage mgoddard | 15:39 |
| egonzalez | Do you feel is time to set priorities/goals for stein with few people in the conversation? | 15:40 |
| spsurya | 0/ | 15:41 |
| egonzalez | Also, we does not have that many goals, if we prioritize some over others, may feel like some poeple work is not that important | 15:41 |
| mgoddard | we're still quite low on numbers. | 15:41 |
| egonzalez | most of the goals already have people assigned | 15:42 |
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| mgoddard | it's mostly about saying what do we *need* to do in stein vs. what do we want to do | 15:42 |
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| mgoddard | I don't mind | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | maybe we need to use the ML to manage priorities and goals? | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | would be nice to give everyone a chance to put forward a proposal and sign up for work | 15:44 |
| egonzalez | agree | 15:44 |
| spsurya | +1 | 15:45 |
| egonzalez | i'll do a resume of each goal and send an email | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | maybe open an etherpad for proposals, until next week's meeting | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | then agree goals & volunteers | 15:45 |
| spsurya | more volunteers may be needed for testing scenario one to cover all services | 15:45 |
| spsurya | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-stein-ptg-scenario-testing | 15:46 |
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| egonzalez | yep, that goal need to be splitted into smaller items | 15:47 |
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| egonzalez | mgoddard thanks for handling the discussions in denver | 15:49 |
| egonzalez | #topic open discussion | 15:49 |
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| mgoddard | egonzalez: np, did what I could | 15:49 |
| egonzalez | any other topic to discuss? | 15:49 |
| pbourke | quick one | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | do we need to visit the core list? | 15:49 |
| egonzalez | pbourke go ahead | 15:50 |
| pbourke | could people have a look at my patches to update rabbitmq? (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:update-rabbitmq+(status:open+OR+status:merged)) | 15:50 |
| mgoddard | pbourke: put it on my list | 15:51 |
| pbourke | the ceph jobs seem to be failing on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/584427/ and I haven't been able to figure out if its related. I've been testing with these patches for a month or so now and they seem good | 15:51 |
| pbourke | bit of a pain I know but it would be good for us to get onto a more recent version of rabbitmq | 15:51 |
| mgoddard | some ceph jobs are broken due to recent bluestore changes, and we haven't had new kolla images published yet | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | maybe was when the bluestore labels were renamed and jobs failed until new images were pushed | 15:52 |
| pbourke | it fixes a number of bugs, removes the deprecated clusterer, and has a much easier to use config format | 15:52 |
| pbourke | thanks for that, all from me :) | 15:52 |
| donghm_ | one from me, could someone review these patch about rolling-upgrade,TIA https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/apply-service-upgrade-procedure+status:open | 15:53 |
| egonzalez | pbourke thanks, is a good improvement | 15:53 |
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| pbourke | donghm_: will do | 15:53 |
| donghm_ | pbourke: thanks :) | 15:53 |
| yankcrime | i'd like to point out my revised backup spec as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/573311/ | 15:54 |
| spsurya | pbourke: donghm_ will check | 15:54 |
| donghm_ | spsurya: yeah, thank you too | 15:54 |
| egonzalez | donghm_ yankcrime sure | 15:54 |
| yankcrime | it's been updated in light of ptg discussions about what operators may or may not want | 15:54 |
| yankcrime | as well as folding in previous comments | 15:55 |
| egonzalez | mgoddard regarding check core list, thats something i've been thinking for a while | 15:55 |
| mgoddard | there are definitely some who are no longer active | 15:55 |
| mgoddard | http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/kolla-group/90 | 15:55 |
| egonzalez | the polite method will be to send an email to non active core members | 15:55 |
| mgoddard | that is fairly useful | 15:56 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 15:56 |
| egonzalez | then let them time to ask for core removal, if no answer in x days/weeks, remove them | 15:56 |
| mgoddard | it's also a good time to consider if anyone should be added to the core group | 15:56 |
| egonzalez | yes, agree | 15:58 |
| mgoddard | should we approach redhat to ask for more resources, given that they have a product using kolla? | 15:58 |
| spsurya | mgoddard: +1 | 15:58 |
| mgoddard | sometimes it is ok to ask for help - it is not always obvious that you need it | 15:59 |
| mgoddard | the TC can be helpful | 15:59 |
| egonzalez | will check that out | 15:59 |
| egonzalez | we're running out of time | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | thanks for comming | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | enjoy your day | 16:00 |
| mgoddard | thanks egonzalez | 16:00 |
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| egonzalez | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 19 16:00:24 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-09-19-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-09-19-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-09-19-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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