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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 16 14:00:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | lets get started ... I guess Sean will join us if he can | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | sorry i was late ... is it just us? | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: is here as well | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | hey | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | hello abhishekk ! | 14:03 |
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| abhishekk | hey Brian!! | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | welcome back, hope you are well-rested! | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | yes, I am, thank you | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | so I've been looking the bugs logged recently (mainly around after RC-1 and I think we look pretty decent | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | might not have broken the world | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | good to hear | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | indeed welcome back abhishekk | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, :D | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| abhishekk | thank you both for taking care of multi-stores | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | hth | 14:05 |
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| jokke_ | smcginnis: \o | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | you haven't missed much yet | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk is back! | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | looks like we have full house now | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, o/ | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: stage is yours ref release updates | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Welcome back abhishekk | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | so, we do need to do a RC-2 | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | not much in it atm | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, :D | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/log/?h=stable/rocky | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | everything after 17.0.0.0rc1 tag | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | I guess we need to document hidden images changes | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | so my question is, is there any reason to wait | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Looks like the release note and the quoted chars would both be good. | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | https://github.com/openstack/glance/compare/17.0.0.0rc1...stable/rocky | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk i thought we had? | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | I saw the backport proposed for tests, but I don't think that's critical for RC. | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | is it missing from api-ref? | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | it is | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, i think i was supposed to do that, i will get right on it | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | (hidden images in api-ref, i mean) | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | that should be quick to gate | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | if it's just doc change | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but still needs to go through integrated queue to merge, i think | 14:11 |
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| abhishekk | rosmaita, I guess it will be quick | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i had a question about release notes | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | no bugfixes are listed, do we want to add some? | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: yeah, I cherry-picked those func tests into stable ... I don't really care at which point they get merged as long as they do. I think it was good testing to keep track of | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: ++ | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | also, about release notes, i think the number of cores fix mentioned in the prelude was actually done in queens | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | (at least, it's mentioned in the queens release notes) | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | doesn't hurt to mention it again, though | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | so, it looks like outstanding is: (1) api-ref update for hidden images, (2) release notes update (if we want one) | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: IIRC the number of cores was backported after the release ... it's indeed included at least in the latests queens but I didn't think it made to the actual queens release | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | could be, i didn't look that closely | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | the bugs section in renos would not hurt. Did we do something mention worthy, anyone had a look? | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | well, what made me think was the password bug we're including in rc-2 | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | yes, we can mention that | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | apropos of nothing, "limit default workers to 8" was in 16.0.0.0rc2 | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | yes just noticed | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | so could remove that bit when doing the bugs | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i don't see a lot of bugs, scrolling through the logs ... mostly stability changes and features | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | for some reason it was listed when I looked the git log between 16.0.0 and HEAD | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | The password one is probably the only notable one I can recall. But if we don't mention it, I think that's OK. Not sure how many people have actually been impacted by that. At least to the point that we need to highlight it there. | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | In rocky we mostly worked on new features | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | ok, so how does the timing look? | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i can probably get the api-ref update done in an hour or so | 14:21 |
| * jokke_ is wondering how much of a technical dept we accumulated this cycle or if we really are that stable atm. | 14:21 | |
| smcginnis | We're just a bunch of stable folks. :) | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753964 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1753964 in Glance queens "Image remains in queued state for web-download when node_staging_uri end with "/"" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I can do the reno change ... shouldn't take long and they both will gate quickly | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | ok, then let's try to get those through today and maybe i can propose the release later this afternoon | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all for RC-2 | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | tips jobs: | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | short story, everything looking good | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | we do have a maintenance issue, though, because we don't want them running in the stable branches | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i talked to corvus in the infra channel yesterday, got some advice | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | so here's a sample patch for glance_store: | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/586334/ | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i think we should merge it and then backport to stable/rocky to verify that it works | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i don't know how else to test it | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | also, it was a bit more complicated than i thought | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense. (as far as zuul goes) | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | if you are interested, i put a comment on PS1 explaining how it works | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | (or at least my understanding) | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | #topic ptg planning | 14:27 |
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| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-ptg-glance-planning | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | the etherpad I've been promising for ages | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | btw, i haven't been approved for travel yet | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | Added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Stein/Etherpads | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | first of all, I think the delayed spec freeze worked pretty well and we should do that again. | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Are you thinking it might be an issue? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | hard to say | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | it's getting close for sure | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | we're less than a month away | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | yep | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | 22 days to go | 14:29 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: so regardless if you're gonna be there or not, your imput to the planning is more than welcome ... we see what we can do about it if you can't be there | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | sure | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | first of all, we need to start thinking what we want to do next cycle | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | but be there | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | We should see if anyone can stream a hangout if needed. | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i'll put in a proposal for the location policies refactoring | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | so we have that, we have stabilizing the multi-store | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | is anything arising from the edge comupting discussions? | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | I want to start using that for the tasks as well so we can get rid of the horrid way of using the file store for workspace and staging | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | and isn't there some kind of issue with eventlet and py3? | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | +1, this we need to handle on top priority | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | so Tuesday is Edge day. They have proposal for image stuff in there | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool, so we can use that time instead of ours | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/EdgeComputingGroupPTG4 | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | it might be that we should schedule spare slot for any continuation if we don't have time issue (which I don't think we will) | 14:34 |
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| jokke_ | what's that eventlet py3 issue? | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i don't know, i sort of remember hearing that there's an issue about the eventlet-based server and py3 | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | I guess https is not working with py3 due to eventlet issue | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | (i will be happy to be wrong) | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk you are right, that's it, and iirc it is unlikely to be fixed | 14:36 |
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| smcginnis | The keystone team has been doing a lot of good work this release moving to use flask. It's a big(ish) effort, but might be worth considering that if it solves some of our problems. | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, yes | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: yeah, there is that, but I don't think it's super critical tbh. As discussed last time there is plenty of ways handle that ssl termination ... I'd be very interested to see some definite resolution for that 'though | 14:37 |
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| jokke_ | smcginnis: I'd be more than happy to discuss that option as soon as we have more than 3-4 people working on Glance ;) | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, agree | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Yeah... | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | But back to the PTG planning ... discuss internally what your companies would like to achieve, what you can and want to work on and propose sessions so we can make work plan for Stein | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | if we don't get stuffed with topics I'll schedule couple of strategically placed ad-hoc slots there for anything that might come up earlier on the week | 14:41 |
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| smcginnis | Something always comes up. :) | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | ok, moving on | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | #open discussion | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:42 |
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| rosmaita | well, the mother of all security bugs became public this week | 14:42 |
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| rosmaita | (that's related to the image locations policies refactoring effort) | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yup, that's the storm raising I mentioned last week | 14:42 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1546507 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546507 in Glance ocata "Regular user in non-default non-recommended configuration can delete any image file" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Mike Fedosin (mfedosin) | 14:43 |
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| jokke_ | I think we almost decided to sack that whole bug last time in Denver (we had lengthy discussion about it at Fri) | 14:44 |
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| jokke_ | it was one of those "We've been telling to you for long time not to expose locations to end users." things | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | yes, i think the plan was to issue a general warning, but there's nothing we can do to really fix it short of rewriting glance in flask, maybe | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | anyway, we should probably come up with something at the PTG | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | at least the bug title isn't as alarmist as the original | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | well rewriting in <insert web framework here> won't solve the issue per se ... it's all folding back to the very faulty design of exposing those locations and their operations | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | ok, i had one agenda item | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | smcginnis can correct me, but i think because of the way reno works, if you fix a typo in a release note, the release note will be associated with that commit, and it will show up in the latest release unless you specifically add an exclusion | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | so i am thinking the best thing is not to make corrections to these | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | Yep, that is correct. | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | oh :O | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | this is why i bring it up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574929/ | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | The recommended way to fix those is to go directly to the stable branch where they were for. | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | I thought reno is tracking them by the hex it generates when the file is created | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, maybe Doug fixed that, but I know it was the behavior that it matched on the branch where any commit modified it. | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita : we fixed that bug, so it should be fine to fix them | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | ok, maybe we should play it safe and just add it to the disallowed changes | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann : thanks! | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | you want to make sure the changes are on the right branch, though | 14:51 |
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| dhellmann | don't fix it on master and backport to ocata | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | "Review the renos when they were introduced or live with it" | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | so fix on ocata only? | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | fix it where you want the change to show up | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 14:52 |
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| jokke_ | thanks dhellmann | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | see, another reason to delete those old branches | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:52 |
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| jokke_ | ok about that then, should we clean up old releasenote files from master when ever the new branch is cut 'cause if we just fix them on old branches we'll end up with multiple versions of those files and someone will run their spell checkers against master and propose those changes forever | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: ^^ | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | it's better to just leave all of that stuff in place and reject the patches you don't want | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | ok, so maybe we update | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | disallowed minor code changes | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | and reject the patch | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | #info need to add release note modifications in master to disallowed minor changes list | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | how do we feel about fixing in the stable branch? | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | The the stable branch? :P | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | :P | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | I really think https://youtu.be/AJQ3TM-p2QI?t=44s | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | without looking, i bet that is "computer says no" | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | you could probably automate a check to prevent changes to files on master if they exist on stable branches | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | :P | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | given the recent push by the i18n team to translate the release notes, eliminating typos seems like a good thing to support | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, we can tell that person to propose a patch implementing doug's suggestion, and then we'll remove the redundant "the" from the release note | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | it's hard enough to translate our jargon without having to decipher typos :-) | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | i'm pretty sure that was my typo, too | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | or you could just ask them to move the fix to the right branch | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | folks who fix typos are unlikely to be up to the level of automation I described | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | you never know! | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | i don't think we have the review bandwidth, though | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | how many of these do you really get? | 15:01 |
| * jokke_ pings flaper for the -2 & abandon bot | 15:01 | |
| dhellmann | I feel like being too hostile to simple fixes is going to make the pipeline of potential new contributors very very shallow | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | I started in openstack with documentation typo fixes | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: diffilcult to get shallower than the dry land currently is :D | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | so let's not make it any worse, then | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | I don't think us being bit hostile will change that | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | well, i just -2'd the patch and asked it to be proposed to stable/pike | 15:03 |
| jokke_ | well tbh. We've got couple of new names popping up this cycle | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | and i did ask nicely | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | :) | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | and, btw, it definitely was my typo: https://github.com/openstack/glance/blame/master/releasenotes/notes/exp-emc-mig-fix-a7e28d547ac38f9e.yaml | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | if someone's first interaction with our community is "we don't care about typos, either go away or build something you don't understand" then our reputation *outside* of our community won't be improved at all | 15:03 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: that | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | and we're out of time | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | so thanks all! | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | part of the review team's responsibility is to guide new contributors, so I'm always a bit disappointed when this comes up | 15:04 |
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| abhishekk | thank you all | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 16 15:04:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-08-16-14.00.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-08-16-14.00.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-08-16-14.00.log.html | 15:04 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:06 |
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