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| jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: flwang1, jokke_, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, rosmaita, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, dshakhray, kairat, alex_bash, smcginnis, arcolife, Brin, Roamer` | 13:59 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 19 14:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | So it seems that the muti back-end did not break world. Well done abhishekk and the team! | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | nice work, abhishekk | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | :D, thank you all | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | Woot! :) | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | so we're step closer to Rocky | 14:02 |
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| jokke_ | which also means that if I saw correctly the Stain PTL election is starting very soon (I think I saw patch to add the election details to the page, but it has not been merged yet) | 14:03 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, I think it's already next week. =:{ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | wow, that's soon | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ you are doing a good job, care to continue? | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | obviously as usual gate is having tons of issues so what ever we need to get in needs tons of eyes | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | I'm gonna throw my name to the hat for second term | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Found the patch - PTL Nominations from 2018-07-24T23:45 to 2018-07-31T23:45 | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Great! | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | that is not to discourage if anyone feels like taking over but I don't mind continuing | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | I guess you should continue to take heat :P | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | but from that I pass over to rosmaita to get to business as I want to timebox sufficient discussion at the end for what we prioritize as we're running out of time | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:06 | |
| rosmaita | so periodic tips jobs are all green | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | except one translate job that isn';t even ours, info on agenda | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | i advise ignoring atm | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | it's a glance_store trans job for stable/queens | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | ok, glance_store rocky release must be today | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | there are 3 patches to go in | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | 2 are approved, just need to survive on zuul | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583942/ | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | needs reviews (has not passed first check yet) | 14:08 |
| * smcginnis queues it up | 14:08 | |
| rosmaita | i will update hash on release patch as soon as everything has merged | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis you will be around most of the day? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | the whole set got bumped back to check queue | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | as in right now | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis and i can make sure 583942 gets in | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | Yep, I should be here most of the day rosmaita | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | if everyone agrees, smcginnis and i will carry over +2s and +As to the patches that had them before zuul went sideways | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | no issues | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | ok just a heads up that glanceclient final release is wednesday | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | and RC-1 for glance is august 8 | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | that is all | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | I have two patches for glanceclient, but I guess glance patches should get merged first right? | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: by the release schedule Thursday | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: If you update them, might be good to put a Depends-on tag in there on the service side change. | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | there is no exception in the client release section from the standard Thu release day | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | yeah but the code needs to be in on wed i think | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, one patch already has depends on | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: OK, great | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | i need to check other patch | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: It is Thursday by end of day, but shooting for Wednesday has always been my preference so there aren't any last minute scrambles and waiting on zuul queues. | 14:13 |
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| jokke_ | smcginnis: ++ | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | which there will be! | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | ALways ;) | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, sorry both need to be add depends-on, I will do it later sometime | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | like we were so well in track with store, just to realize this morn that the 3 patches were missing which of one had not been even written yet ;) | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: Only if you need to update. I just think it can help to make sure we don't land client support before the service support. | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | luckily, none of those are serious changes | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, ack | 14:15 |
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| jokke_ | yeah the only one that is not really backportable is the cinder store one | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | ok, shall we move on? | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | yep | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | #topic hidden images spec update | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hidden images spec update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:17 | |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, thank you for your findings and review on spec | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | np, i didn't get a chance to see your replies yet | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | I was getting 409 error because I was trying to update image with --hidden with "true" and true | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | pre-rocky glance ^^ | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | So rosmaita has one question, what about pre-rocky images which were having hidden as a custom property? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i put up a paste with some info: | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/726229/ | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i think anyone who has 'hidden' as custom metadata will just have it disappear | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | don't think it's a big deal, tbh, but we should probably doc it in the release notes | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | I'll just jump in about the hidden. It's gonna be it's own column in the db and we have plan to use --hidden in client instead of the normal property mechanism which means that we just change is to os_hidden on api like we flag headers etc. as well. problem solved if someone has been using hidden already | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | (which no one will read) | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | as indeed hidden is very easily overloaded | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | that works | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | so you mean to say new hidden column will be displayed on show as os_hidden? | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i think the multihash begin with os_ | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | correct | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk yes | 14:22 |
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| abhishekk | ack, that will serve the purpose | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | it's not huge change and will solve the issue | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | unless someone is using os_hidden as custom meta | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | then same problem | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | :P | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so i dont' know if it's worth worrying about | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: that's _their_ problem ... the os_ prefix has been clear purpos for years | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | purpose | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok, makes a collision less likely, i agree | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | so os_hidden is confirmed, I will mention this in spec as well | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but we will still need to mention disappearance in release notes | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk add that to spec update ^^ | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | will mention it in spec as well | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok, the other question was about when to allow hidden to be set on an image | 14:24 |
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| jokke_ | #agreed rename hidden to os_hidden for avoiding collisions with possibly overloaded hidden property | 14:24 |
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| abhishekk | I guess it does not make sense to set hidden on image which is not active (my opinion though) | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | well, if we allow it for image create, i think we need to allow for queued at least | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | what problem do you anticipate? | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | if we are marketing it as lifecycle management I think it should be reserved images only. as it's more coming as "cleaning up the image list what the 3 previous visibility changes didn't do" feature I think we should not put artificial limits to it | 14:26 |
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| rosmaita | i agree with jokke_ | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense. | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, it can be a potential sec issue? | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | s/reserved images/reserved active images/ | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: how so? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk not sure .... what are you thinking? | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | someone can create lots of queued image and hide it? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | well, once quotas are in, they will only affect themselves | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | yeah | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: I really can't see attack vector there | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | but people can do that now, create a lot of queued images that are not hidden | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | good thing to think about, though | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | I am interested to work on quota's | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, rosmaita agree | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | it makes it no less obvious if there is no rate limiting or any other ways to protect your cloud if those queued images are hidden or not | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | In short, only active images should be allowed to hide, right? | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | One thing I was thinking of 'though ... do we remove the hidden flag when the image gets deleted? | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ why would that matter? | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, as of now no | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: no, I think as the feature really doesn't have lifecycle management focus, we should not limit it | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: does scrubber still see soft deleted images if they are hidden? | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I guess yes, but will check and confirm | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | we should check, but it goes directly to db to look for stuff | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | then it should not be affected | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i think it only looks at 'deleted' and 'deleted_at' | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | as the db doesn't hide them, the api does | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | it will not have impact | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | so I will remove the restriction on hiding the image | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | sounds good | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | ok, was that all for this? | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | do we know how to move forward? | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | thank you, will update the specs and implementation accordingly | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | #agreed "hiding" image should not have restrictions when it can be done during the image states. | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | ok moving on | 14:34 |
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| jokke_ | #topic release priorities | 14:34 |
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| abhishekk | should we create another section here, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-rocky-priorities unless you have another etherpad | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | Now, we really have about a week to make the call what we are merging this cycle about these big features as they all part from v1 removal needs client components | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | And I would like to avoid backporting features to the client sencond release in a row if possible | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | thus we need to make priority list of what we commit to do over next 2 weeks | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | and I was willing to put the hidden images under axe before we got these questions solved few mins ago | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | i think multihash is read-only, so should work in client when it gets updated schema | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | but my question really is, do we have enough time commitment to get multihash, multi back-end and the hidden images all merged to glance and client | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | multi-backend is almost ready | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Just looking where things stand today, I think multihash is the only major concern. | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | hidden imgaes needs few touches which I will do by tomorrow EOD | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | so I'd say all of these are in good shape, the question really is do we as team have enough cycles in coming two weeks to ensure that we get the stuff merged? | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | I think we should target backend and hidden images over next week and keep last week specifically for multi-hash? | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | only problem is the experimental api | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | as I'm even willing to let the client stuff merge before the service patches merges if we commit to merge them and not to have last minute bikeshedding blowing the features out of the release | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | I can't recall, is there a client side aspect of the multihash stuff? | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: there is that why I'm asking this | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | We need API version patch | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | i think it's just read only to display the value | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | pretty sure v2 does not allow you to specify --checksum for image create? | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | it does not | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | no | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | ok, good, so no multihash either for symmetry | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | so only client side change we might need to do, is to ensure that multihash is displayed everywhere where the current hash is | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I can work on client patch for multi-hash | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk that would be cool | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yeah, specially with the import and conversion stuff it's better not to allow it | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk theoretically, shouldn't be too bad, should get constructed from the image json response like the rest of the image properties | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, yes | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | so rc1 target is in 3 weeks | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | but please feel free to do it! | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | R-3 is next week | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, yep, will update you tomorrow this time around | 14:44 |
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| abhishekk | so after release of new glance_store my new glance unit and functional tests are passing for multi-backend | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | can we commit to have all these 4 things ready and reviewed in next two weeks if we leave room to FFE the multi back-end just for the purpose to make sure we get the API versioning right? | 14:45 |
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| smcginnis | Seems like that should be doable. | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i believe so | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | ok, then I'm gonna pull cheap one here. rosmaita the v1 removal passed tests, has 2x +2 and has not yet flagged for merge conflict. Could you please have a look over it this week? | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | that should be cheap one to get out of queue | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | sure | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita review v1 removal patch | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | (in a timely fashion) | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | then, get any client patches ready to go by monday preferably. abhishekk do not depend the multi back-end client patches to the API patches | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, that is ready then, just needs review | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: cool ... 'cause then we can merge the client patches in time for client release and commit having the API patches in last to get the versioning sorted | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, you need to approve v1 specs first before the patch merges | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: yeah that is pending smcginnis' ack | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | so smcginnis if you could check that spec amedment, would be great | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | there was some changes since your last +2 iirc | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580610/ | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, ^^^ | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | or I might think some other spec | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | Already in a tab, just need to get to it. But quick glance looks good. | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: yeah it's on my list so as soon as I see your +2 there I hit the +W | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: OK, I'll try to get to that quick. | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | take your time | 14:52 |
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| abhishekk | last 5 minutes | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | then I'd say don't hold your horses ... the multihash and hidden images changes should be driven in as they become ready. As long as they are API wise ok and functionally sound we can always tweak the minor details as bugfixes | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | OK | 14:55 |
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| abhishekk | ok | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | we need to documentation patches as well | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | the glance_store check jobs are looking like another hour | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | #agreed we have commitment to merge v1 removal, multi back-end, multihash and hidden images to glance/python-glanceclient by the release deadlines | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:56 |
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| jokke_ | anything else for last minutes? | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | nope | 14:56 |
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| jokke_ | abhishekk: doc patches we can finalize by rc1 as long as the client renos are there | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | sounds good | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | so lets focus on the functionality ... that's where we have the most of the panic | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | *have most* | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | ok, thanks all! Lets make this the greatest release ever ;P | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | thank you all :D, have a good day ahead | 14:58 |
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| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 14:58:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-07-19-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-07-19-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-07-19-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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