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| jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: flwang1, jokke_, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, rosmaita, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, dshakhray, kairat, alex_bash, smcginnis, arcolife, Brin, Roamer` | 13:59 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 14 14:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | lets give a minute or two to see if we get quorum | 14:01 |
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| abhishekk | ok | 14:02 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:03 |
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| jokke_ | Hey Sean | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets roll on | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| jokke_ | So couple of thing drawing attention | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | first the discussion for Stein Goals are ongoing atm. Keep your eye out for anything and everything and cheer in if you wish | 14:05 |
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| abhishekk | ok | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Input on goals is definitely appreciated. | 14:05 |
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| jokke_ | the second one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570940/ which is interesting topic around our review principles | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | it looks like TC wants to push the responsibility of fixing commits to followups instead of asking the author fixing them | 14:07 |
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| jokke_ | to be more "friendly" | 14:08 |
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| jokke_ | third the Berlin summit presentation proposal window is now! So start drafting them talks | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Just for nits that don't really affect the fix. | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | We had milestone 2 last week | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | all 3 deliverables released | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | so we're well in that track | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: you have anything else from the release front? | 14:12 |
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| abhishekk | \o/ | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, not that I can think of right now. | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:13 |
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| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:13 |
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| jokke_ | So I wanted to quickly discuss about the multi back-end approach abhishekk is working on | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | All patches related to multi-store are up | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | we had quick discussion at Tuesday around the the config approach | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | Honestly I did not have time yesterday to dig into it properly, but for you Sean TL;DR the approach Abhishek took was that the store parses the oslo config object for creating those store objects | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | and I was asking how difficult it would be to move that to glance side and have just api call for glance_store where the consumer of the lib could just pass the config details of the store and get the store object back | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/multi-store | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | this would mean that a) the consumer would not be tied to oslo_config for their implementation and it would provide bit better isolation for stuff like our import staging and tasks work dirs | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | "and b) it would" | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | IMO it will be much more difficult | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | but abhishekk's initial thought was that it might be quite a pain to implement so I just wanted to bring it up if that's something we should consider or are we fine having everything defined in the config object | 14:19 |
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| smcginnis | I do like the API discoverability. But it does sound like it would take quite a bit more work. | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | this was one of the points in the original store refactoring spec to make it more transportable and consumable and it would avoid us to do the nasty config overwrites internally | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | but I'm not sure if it's worth of the effort for this exact feature to land | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | the main reason is even we have this in glance side then while staging call if we get the store object then we need to override the staging_uri value with filesystem_data_dir and then configure that store again otherwise those path will not be created and then again we need to restore original value and call configure method again | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | I guess we should target refactoring of store differently (my honest opinion) | 14:22 |
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| jokke_ | so one of the reasons for the multi-store expectations being so much work was that the refactor of the store api was taken as pre-requirement for this work being possible | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | now abhishekk has clearly proven it's possible without, my concern is does this make the refactor exponentially more difficult and unlikely to happen or do we still have hope to get decent api towards glance_store | 14:26 |
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| abhishekk | Another thing is we can have different glance_store api for staging (which will reduce the cost of building the store again) | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | Not really sure, but seems like it's still a good thing to strive for. But good if it's not blocking current work. | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | also with the current approach we need to figure out how we flag the workdir for tasks and staging for import not being exposed as viable stores for images | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | it's definitely not blocking the current work | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | Another thing we discussed around the multi-store was that i would like to have it as EXPERIMENTAL in Rocky, which would mean that if the new config options are not set, we would ignore the headers for target store istead of failing the call for wrong target. Flagging it EXPERIMENTAL would also mean that we would have opportunity to change things during Stain based on the feedback from the fiel | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | d before it's set to stone | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | also the discovery etc. would not work if not configured | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | similar way as the image import was in queens | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | That sounds good to me. It would help if we can get something out and tested and see if there is anything we need to account for before it's set. | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | sorry, Pike | 14:32 |
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| jokke_ | exactly, and knowing how much this feature has been requested for, I'd assume interested parties would use it and provide that feedback if something is horribly wrong about our initial approach | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | agree with marking it as experimental thing | 14:34 |
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| smcginnis | The ability to get feedback from real users would be really good. | 14:34 |
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| jokke_ | yeah ... which leads to the part I think I failed with image import ... we need to get strong word out to our user community to play around with it and provide that feedback | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | these are some scenarios which I have documented for multi-store support https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/multi-store-scenarios | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | I will also add nova and cinder related scenarios like boot instance, create snapshot, create backup, create volume, create volume-snapshot etc | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | we need to make it clear that it will be released stable in Stein and Stein cycle is the last chance to provide the feedback if something needs to change | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ++ | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | A post to openstack-operators would be good to try to reach some of them. | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | And I can try to retweet that to try to reach a few more. | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | that's basically my thoughts/open questions around this. Just wanted to use this meeting time to get it out documented and your feel about it as well | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | wondering, should I start working on writing unit tests for this? | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Think there would be enough to talk about with a Summit presentation on multi-store? | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | I think this is major thing enabling our users to do so much and we need to get it rightish | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: I think so. | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | ok, will start from next week and try to finish it in same week | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | I will also prepare documentation and update api-ref (but need help on the grammar ;)) | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: as you know I'm horrible in writing tests, but I'll try to spend more time on these changes and perhaps ping you with some test scenarios at least | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | if that helps | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, thank you | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | I have some scenarios in mind, will create one etherpad for the same | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | I can definitely help on any wording and documentation reviews. | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, thanks | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | And Brian should be back next week so I'm sure he will give input to the doc wordings and reviews as well | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | lets keep the dock patches separate from the implementation, just for ease of review and going back and forth on them | 14:42 |
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| abhishekk | smcginnis, for start could you please look at the wording where I have added new config options in galnce and glance_store patches? | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | we have 20min left. Anything you guys had on your minds for today? | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: Will do! | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | smcginnis, great | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | Nothing from me really. | 14:44 |
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| abhishekk | jokke_, nothing from me as well | 14:44 |
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| abhishekk | jokke_, we should get update on multihash work | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | yeah I've been trying to chase Brian and Scott for that but they seem to be very busy on other things | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | will see how that folds | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | ok, thank you for the update | 14:45 |
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| jokke_ | actually! | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | Do we have something else we have totally neglected this cycle. I think the policy refactoring won't be happening at any level, the multihash is still on the air, anything else we're missing we agreed to do? | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | hiding old images | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | and removing migration scripts (which I will work after 2 weeks) | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | yes, at least that's been discussed and on the table all cycle unlike the 2 | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-rocky-priorities | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | ohh, that's something I have not kept track on, thanks for the reminder | 14:48 |
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| abhishekk | I am updating it time to time | 14:49 |
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| jokke_ | yes, I've noticed "someone" updating the priorities pad, I meant the migration scripts I totally have "refused" in my mind | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | we can revisit it in S | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | So the two things that are on my plate for R-3 and I might need some more help on these are how we kill the v1 API and getting the oslo.messaging rpc poc working | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | That was again me from the mobile, while coming back to home ;) | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | so we have still a lot to do before wrapping this release together and not horribly much time | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | I will try to sync on v1 removal after 10 days | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | lets take the last 8 min back and get to work :P | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | thanks all! | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 14:52:57 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-06-14-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-06-14-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-06-14-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:53 |
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