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| jamespage | p/ | 09:04 |
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| jamespage | o/ | 09:04 |
| jamespage | rather | 09:04 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: hi! | 09:04 |
| lujinluo | o/ | 09:04 |
| lujinluo | hi jamespage ! | 09:04 |
| jamespage | no lyarwood | 09:04 |
| jamespage | lemme see if I can find him | 09:04 |
| lujinluo | ok.. | 09:04 |
| jamespage | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upgrades-sig-meeting | 09:05 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: nope can't find him on irc | 09:06 |
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| jamespage | lets make a start | 09:06 |
| lujinluo | :( sad. he did not reply to the emails either. Guess it would only be the two of us | 09:06 |
| jamespage | #startmeeting upgrade-sig | 09:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 15 09:06:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: upgrade-sig)" | 09:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'upgrade_sig' | 09:06 |
| jamespage | #topic decide on regular agenda for meeting | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "decide on regular agenda for meeting (Meeting topic: upgrade-sig)" | 09:06 | |
| jamespage | lujinluo: any thoughts on this? | 09:06 |
| lujinluo | i had been give this a thought. Remember in PTG, we said we will start with documentations first | 09:07 |
| jamespage | with the target group for this SIG, we should aim to try to facilitate comms between operators and developers | 09:07 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: yeah I was trying to remember what we discussed | 09:07 |
| jamespage | do you have the pad URL handy? | 09:07 |
| lujinluo | one second | 09:08 |
| lujinluo | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ffu-ptg-rocky | 09:08 |
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| lyarwood | \o | 09:08 |
| jamespage | hey lyarwood ! | 09:08 |
| jamespage | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upgrades-sig-meeting | 09:08 |
| lujinluo | he lyarwood ! | 09:08 |
| jamespage | for reference | 09:08 |
| lujinluo | hey* | 09:08 |
| jamespage | lujinluo and I where just discussing the general structure for this meeting going forwards | 09:09 |
| jamespage | but dublin appears to have rrd'ed out of my brain! | 09:09 |
| lyarwood | hehe yeah, so what did you have in mind? | 09:09 |
| jamespage | I think we need to line up behind the objectives for the SIG | 09:10 |
| jamespage | so some standing agenda items to support that would be good | 09:10 |
| jamespage | I'd quite like to see a 'deployment project updates' type section | 09:10 |
| lujinluo | ++ | 09:10 |
| jamespage | but I think the priority is to distill the current pain points out of deployment projects and operators to drive action items into development | 09:11 |
| lyarwood | yeah agreed, ops feedback? | 09:11 |
| jamespage | yeah that sounds good | 09:11 |
| lujinluo | yep | 09:11 |
| lujinluo | in the etherpad, shall we separate knowledge sharing and deployment update? | 09:12 |
| jamespage | yeah ok | 09:12 |
| lujinluo | knowledge sharing is supposed to be from operators, right | 09:13 |
| lujinluo | please add Kolla as well! o/ | 09:14 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: done | 09:14 |
| lujinluo | thanks! | 09:14 |
| lujinluo | for the knowledge sharing, do we wanna talk with Docs team? | 09:15 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: I think knowledge sharing can be from ops and from devs - sometimes is just that the golden nugget to unlock something has been done - but it just needs to be drawn out of someones head! | 09:15 |
| lujinluo | makes sense | 09:15 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: yes but I think that would just to get setup - the Upgrades SIG should drive the documentation process. | 09:15 |
| lujinluo | i am thinking about the style, wiki page does not guaranttee reviews | 09:16 |
| jamespage | thats true - but it is sometimes a handy dumping ground for content | 09:16 |
| lujinluo | if we can set up some branches, we only merge things with people checking on them | 09:16 |
| lujinluo | yeah, we need a trade-off | 09:16 |
| lujinluo | so maybe we start with wiki pages first? | 09:17 |
| jamespage | yeah I think that's what we discussed in dublin - we can move to an 'upgrade-docs' repo later | 09:17 |
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| jamespage | lujinluo, lyarwood: does that sounds like a plan? | 09:18 |
| lujinluo | sounds good to me! | 09:18 |
| lyarwood | yeah that's cool | 09:18 |
| lyarwood | I don't think anyone has really reviewed the FFU wiki docs provided by ops thus far however | 09:18 |
| jamespage | lyarwood: link? | 09:18 |
| lujinluo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fast_forward_upgrades here you go | 09:19 |
| lyarwood | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fast_forward_upgrades | 09:19 |
| lyarwood | yeah | 09:19 |
| jamespage | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fast_forward_upgrades | 09:19 |
| jamespage | ok - I'll try grab some time between now and next week to take a bit of a review | 09:20 |
| jamespage | maybe transform that into an Upgrades wiki | 09:20 |
| lujinluo | awesome | 09:20 |
| lyarwood | cool, I'll also try | 09:21 |
| lujinluo | me too | 09:22 |
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| jamespage | great - have the slight complication of a charm release to deal with as well but #team can always backfll for me | 09:22 |
| jamespage | #action lyarwood, lujinluo, jamespage: review current upgrade docs before summit session next week | 09:22 |
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| jamespage | speaking of which | 09:23 |
| jamespage | #topic Plans for summit session next week | 09:23 |
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| lujinluo | ohh, Jimmy puts us as presentation. But do we want to do it like a presentation or discussion? | 09:23 |
| jamespage | discussion I think | 09:24 |
| lujinluo | agree | 09:24 |
| jamespage | however I think there is also an upgrade war stories type session right? | 09:24 |
| * jamespage checks | 09:24 | |
| lujinluo | there were a couple of upgrade related sessions/discussions this time | 09:24 |
| lujinluo | i believe there are 2 FFU specific discussiones | 09:25 |
| jamespage | so I see | 09:25 |
| lyarwood | well I have a presentation on Thursday | 09:25 |
| lyarwood | I wasn't aware of any FFU forum sessions tbh | 09:25 |
| jamespage | erik is moderating those | 09:25 |
| * lyarwood likely missed something | 09:25 | |
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| jamespage | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=upgrades | 09:25 |
| lujinluo | yeah | 09:26 |
| lyarwood | ah | 09:26 |
| lyarwood | yeah I missed these | 09:26 |
| jamespage | ok so do we need a seperate SIG or should we just fold into those sessions? | 09:27 |
| jamespage | I suspect if we'd moved on more with the formation of the SIG we'd be a bit more organised with the operator community | 09:28 |
| lyarwood | yeah, as we've not made any progress since PTG I'd fold into these sessions if possible | 09:28 |
| jamespage | +1 | 09:28 |
| lyarwood | there could be room for a standalone upgrade (N to N+1) session as well | 09:28 |
| lyarwood | but there's no point in repeating things for FFU | 09:29 |
| jamespage | so maybe rename our Upgrades SIG to 'Rolling Upgrades BOF'? and ask for a fishbowl setting? | 09:30 |
| jamespage | and one of us should reach out to erik to coordinate things a bit more | 09:30 |
| lujinluo | +1 | 09:30 |
| lyarwood | I didn't mean we should replace/rename the SIG, just try to bring erik in for the FFU part | 09:30 |
| lyarwood | I'm stepping away from FFU after this summit anyway | 09:31 |
| lyarwood | so it would be useful to have him or someone else lead/own it | 09:31 |
| lujinluo | we can reach to him and aslo talk about that at the summit | 09:31 |
| lujinluo | it'd be good to have an operator on board too | 09:32 |
| jamespage | agreed | 09:32 |
| lujinluo | lyarwood, sad to hear that you are moving away from FFU | 09:32 |
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| lujinluo | is it possible that you can attract/invite people who are still working on FFU in TripleO to the SIG? | 09:32 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: can you go back Jimmy and get us a fishbowl session | 09:33 |
| jamespage | ? | 09:33 |
| jamespage | we might be to late but worth a try | 09:33 |
| lujinluo | sure, i will send him an email right away. | 09:33 |
| jamespage | #action lujinluo ask for fishbowl for forum session | 09:33 |
| jamespage | I'll track down Erik and invite him to participate a bit more directly in the SIG | 09:34 |
| jamespage | #action jamespage - invite erik m to help with SIG formation and discuss at Forum | 09:34 |
| lyarwood | I'll get the TripleO folks more involved as well | 09:34 |
| jamespage | lyarwood: thanks | 09:34 |
| lyarwood | #action lyarwood - reach out to the TripleO upgrades squad | 09:34 |
| lujinluo | thanks | 09:34 |
| jamespage | does that just about cover things for today? | 09:35 |
| lujinluo | i think we haven't decided on the agenda in summit, or did i miss it? | 09:35 |
| jamespage | Hmm no not really | 09:36 |
| jamespage | other than | 09:36 |
| jamespage | SIG formation update | 09:36 |
| jamespage | Fast Forward Upgrades progress | 09:36 |
| jamespage | Rolling Upgrades Discussion | 09:36 |
| jamespage | or something like that | 09:36 |
| jamespage | I think we can do that in a Pad between now and then | 09:36 |
| lujinluo | ok | 09:36 |
| lujinluo | will update the pad if i come up with anything | 09:37 |
| jamespage | lujinluo: do we have one already? | 09:37 |
| jamespage | specifically for the forum session? | 09:37 |
| lujinluo | not yet | 09:37 |
| jamespage | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vancouver-forum-upgrades-sig | 09:37 |
| jamespage | there we go :-) | 09:37 |
| lujinluo | ;) | 09:38 |
| jamespage | right then - so we need a bit of an agenda between now and next week | 09:38 |
| jamespage | I'll discuss with Erik as well | 09:38 |
| lujinluo | cool | 09:38 |
| jamespage | I think we can probably call that a wrap | 09:38 |
| jamespage | #endmeeting | 09:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 15 09:38:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/upgrade_sig/2018/upgrade_sig.2018-05-15-09.06.html | 09:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/upgrade_sig/2018/upgrade_sig.2018-05-15-09.06.txt | 09:38 |
| lyarwood | thanks both | 09:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/upgrade_sig/2018/upgrade_sig.2018-05-15-09.06.log.html | 09:38 |
| lujinluo | thank you! | 09:38 |
| jamespage | I'll send out some minutes and an overview to ML;s | 09:39 |
| jamespage | I hope I can at least - still struggling with crazy gmail hell atm | 09:39 |
| jamespage | see you both next week | 09:40 |
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| lujinluo | see you in Vancouver | 09:40 |
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