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| jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: flwang1, jokke_, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, rosmaita,GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, alex_bash, smcginnis, arcolife,Brin,Roamer` | 13:59 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 3 14:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| rosmaita | wow, that was on time! | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | hi scott | 14:01 |
| McClymontS | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | lets give couple of min if others join | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_ : here's why I couldn't use None for the default: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-requirements/+bug/1765748/comments/7 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1765748 in OpenStack Global Requirements "webob-1.8.1 breaks projects" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | hi abhishekk | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, hi | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | LMK if i should include that info in the commit message or in a comment in the function | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: cool ... will have a look after the meeting | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | lets kick this circus on the road | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| jokke_ | Few things has been on flight over past week | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | first the TC elections finished | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130052.html | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | congrats to sean! | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | and here he is! | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | Congratulations smcginnis | 14:05 |
| McClymontS | lol | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Hah, thanks. | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | would like to extend our congratulations to all newly elected TC members and folks, these are the people who specially put their names to the hat to be bugged all kind of stuff so utilize them :D | 14:05 |
| * smcginnis is at a conference and will only be partly here | 14:06 | |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: cool, gz nad welcome | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | then we had gerrit server upgrade (replacement) that was concluded again | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130146.html | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | I don't know that any of us have been affected by these, but just that you know, the gerrit server IPs changed again due to this process | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | And the Forum schedule is up for summit! | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule#track=224 | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | so time to make sure for our attendees to mark these to your calendars, we have few sessions there related to Glance | 14:09 |
| McClymontS | Looking forward to seeing/meeting all those who are attending | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | and last but not least there was mail from dhellmann about the next phase of our PY3 transformation. I think we're in pretty good place for this but I'm still double checking | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129866.html | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | also | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-python35-goal | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | we are ok with client and store | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Was there one of our repos that we still need to do some work? | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | two tests in glance | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | if anyone has any concerns or do remember us having still tests skipped in py3 lets raise these and get them fixed | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | glance/tests/functional/test_reload.py | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | glance/tests/functional/test_ssl.py | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i believe that's everything | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Do we have a bug tracking these? | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis very possibly not | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | the ssl test was some weirdness how the cert relocation/registration was hadnled, right? | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ yes, i think maybe we need to either regenerate the static cert we use, or generate on the fly | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | but i have not looked closely | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita check for glance py35 functest bug, file one if does not exist | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets try to keep these on medium priority for now and get them sorted. Definitely if we do not have bugs tracking them lets open them and set the bug priority to high | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | that's all from me ... we should have good time during open discussion if any questions arise | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:16 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: stage is yours | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | #topic release update | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | ok, our community goals are completed and acknowledged in storyboard | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | thanks to abhishek for getting rid of mox | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | and people way back in time who implemented live-reload of glance config | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | :) | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | nothing pressing at the moment release-wise, just some awareness of upcoming deadlines | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | next week is R-16 ("R" is for "release", not "rocky) | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | the summit is in week R-14 | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | (the "-" is for "minus") | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | and the next big deadlines come in R-12 | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | and our spec freeze was set to R-12 iirc | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | that's the rocky-2 milestone | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | and also the spec freeze | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | as jokke_ just said | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | :D | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | sorry, i had "feature freeze" on the agenda, that was a typo | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | that's it from me | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | as lots of us are in the Summit and I will be on holidays the week following summit (I'll be looking for the spec stuff at least on that week) Lets try to get the specs we have good plan now nailed down | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | * kindly review multi-store specs (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562467) | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | please folks review the outstanding specs and cast your vote there so I have your ack and I can start merging them, also who has specs which needs work, lets prioritize to get the changes out there | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | I'm gonna hardline -2 and move to S anything that is not good to go at the freeze | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | that reminds me bhagyashris is on vacation this week, most probably she will update us on policy related work | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i have a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561111/ , the deprecate store_capabilities_min_interval spec proposal | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: ok, thanks for the heads up | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: ok let me change the topic | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:24 | |
| rosmaita | my question is that i kind of like the alternative i mentioned in the spec | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | this way it doesn't fall under the updates on the logs | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | sure | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | my question is whether that's an implementation detail, or whether we need to decide in advance what to do | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i guess it's not an implementation detail, because if we take the alternative, we won't actually deprecate the option | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | it will just be clearly marked as a "no-op" | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | well I personally think that the alternative kind of leaves the door open again to keep the option, which we already did in the last cycle in case someone comes up for real use-case and implementation for it | 14:26 |
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| jokke_ | I think it would be better to just get rid of it and put it back to the planning table if it's actually needed some day | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds good ... jokke_ can you put a note on the review saying def do not want to do the alternative? | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: sure | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | or, you could tell me to remove the alternative | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | that might be even more clear | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke to clarify we are removing the 'store_capabilities_update_min_interval' not just marking it as noop | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, while we are all here, question about the wait-for-status function we talked about last week | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564649/ | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | the question is how to handle default values | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | ok, you had couple of other highlights in the Open Discussion rosmaita | 14:29 |
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| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564649/ | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | maybe there should be no defaults so if you use the function you must explicitly set everything? | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | So I do like it having sensible defaults _and_ it being clear in the test calling it what values are being used | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | makes the debugging of those tests much easier in the future and also makes it easier to figure out what kind of values are used when writing new tests using that function | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | so that would basically be the patch that's up now | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | even on the cost having couple of extra lines in our test code | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | sounds good then | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool, we should merge it, we are still seeing the failures in the gate | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | only thing I put into the review was suggestion should we change the wording interval to delay? As it's not really an interval | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | but I'm open to discussion on that | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i had thought about that, but decided to say what "interval" meant in the docstring comment | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | as interval suggests the request being sent every X (default 0.2 sec) which it does not do | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | yeah it's explained there, was just thought that we have now good opportunity to be clearer on that if we wish :) | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | sure, being clear is good | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i didn't want it to be confused with the start_delay_sec | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | I can see that, but they are really same thing just applied to different stages of the execution | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i can go either way on this ... abhishekk , smcginnis ? | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | If you guys think the interval is better, I'm fine with that if we decide to change it and are otherwise ok with the change I'll ninja it in once the change has passed the check | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | I am fine with the interval | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | I want this in and fixed ... I have no intentions to postpone it further as long as we're all on the same page | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | so to be clear what jokke_ is proposing, it would be s/interval_sec/delay_sec/ | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | I would like to see that unless you guys feel strong about keeping it as interval | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | sorry I had not posted my comments | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | just did so | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i don't have a good argument that 'interval' is better | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | perhaps makes my comments here clearer | 14:39 |
| McClymontS | Interval | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | in some tempest I have observed they are using as interval only | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: but are they using interval as on top of the actual execution time or are they doing actual intervals? | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, that I have not verified ;) | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | well, i think since the current name misled at least one person, it's worth changing | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | for me 'interval' == 2 sec ... we shoot request every 2 sec regardless if it takes .5 or 5 sec to execute the previous or 'delay' == 2 sec we delay the next request 2 sec after the execution of the previous finishes | 14:43 |
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| abhishekk | So if we have enough time then spin a new patch with change | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | it's really just nitpicking | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will do that right away ... it seemed to take forever to get the first patch to pass the gate, though | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | and I can live with either as long as we decide and are on the same page :D | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | so if you change it I will just +2A as soon as zuul gives green light | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | well, maybe let's just merge the current patch, and someone can propose a follow-up | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | because once it's merged, we will see fewer failures for the follow up! | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | well if this still fails, it clearly does not fix the issue it's there to fix | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | and we need to find out what is the actual issue | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | it's the scrubber, i think | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | next topic, actually | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets hop on that | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1768077 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1768077 in Glance "intermittent functional test failures related to scrubber" [Undecided,Triaged] | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | before we run out of time | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | this one really sucks | 14:46 |
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| rosmaita | different failures in py27 and in py35 | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | not sure what is going on and i am hoping someone else wants to look | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | could work with clarkb in infra channel maybe | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | he thinks we are closing a file descriptor early | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | may be we can ask wangxiyuan to have a look? | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk ++ | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | he has worked a lot on scrubber | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | my gut feeling is that the test he added is fooling the test harness | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | I will try to catch him during my day time | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | he has this loop in there that runs the same test over and over | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | hmm-m is there possibility that we have encoding differences in the scrubber output? That's just first thing that comes to my mind for possibility causing this kind of issues? | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | each time the test raises an assertion error, it is run again | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | for like 15 times | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ could be, i don't know | 14:49 |
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| rosmaita | and i don't know why we see different errors in py27 vs py35 | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | i will also have a look | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | cool, there are details on the bug | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i put the log output into pastes because i don't know how long zuul will keep them around | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | 'cause we should not be handling the fd for the scrubber output manually anywhere so it should not be cuased by us. Although if we dump something into that pipe that makes the subunit to barf it might look like it's the pipe that failed | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | yes, i did not see anything that was manually messing with the fd for scrubber output | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | and that would explain why it behaves differently in py27 and py3 | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | as they do handle string encodings differently | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | that's a possibility | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | also, i think these are hard to reproduce locally, unless you run on a really slow system so the tests have to be retried | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | I have no evidence it being the case, just gut feeling/sofisticated guess :P | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | Last 5 minutes | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I will ping you tomorrow morning (your time) for some discussion related to multi-store | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | ok, so priorities for now: Gating issues including the scrubber test failures and rosmaita's patch for the status check, outstanding specs, the 2 PY3 tests that are skipped | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | sounds good | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | anything else we should be really trying to get off from our plate by the time of Summit? | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | any updates on multihash? | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | not yet | 14:57 |
| McClymontS | Have to talk more w/ rosmaita | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | I saw couple of patches from Scott but seems like they still need some work to get through gate | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | may be you will have some discussion during summit | 14:58 |
| McClymontS | Test failures etc, were going to circle back soon | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | McClymontS: feel free to tap me in as well if you need help brainstorming | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | i really need to get McClymontS some feedback | 14:59 |
| McClymontS | Appreciate it jokke_, surely we will catch up on it at the summit as well | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | ok, thank you all | 14:59 |
| McClymontS | my time for implementation might be limited, but a lot of the framework is right there | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | McClymontS: yeah ... lets try to get that sorted by milestone 2 | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | ok we're out of time, anything else --> #os-glance | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 3 14:59:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | thanks all! | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-05-03-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-05-03-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-05-03-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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