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gnuoy\o10:00
tinwoodo/10:02
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tinwoodGood morning.10:02
iceyMorning10:02
gnuoy#startmeeting charms10:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 23 10:03:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gnuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.10:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.10:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'charms'10:03
gnuoy#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting10:03
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* gnuoy looks for actions10:03
gnuoyok, I see no actions10:03
gnuoy#topic State of Development for next Charm Release10:04
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gnuoyRight then we are working towards the 18.05 release atm10:04
gnuoyBut there is the release of bionic before then10:04
tinwoodyup, 3 days time, I believe.10:04
jamespageo/10:04
jamespagesorry late10:05
gnuoyI assume the plan is to stable backport any bionic tweaks as they come up>10:05
gnuoy?10:05
jamespageyes i think any blocking fixes for bionic will get stable backports until the may charm release10:05
jamespagecoreycb was working one those10:05
iceyThursday is Bionic's release schedule10:05
jamespageit is10:05
gnuoykk10:06
fnordahla charm-nova-cloud-controller fix landed today10:06
gnuoyAnything else people would like to highlight?10:06
jamespagenope10:06
gnuoyok, I shall move on...10:07
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gnuoy#topic High Priority Bugs10:07
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gnuoyCritical bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs10:07
gnuoy  High priority bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority10:07
gnuoyGosh, there are a fair few highs there10:08
gnuoyAnyone want to highlight any bugs they are working on?10:09
fnordahlI have the charm-nova-cloud-controller for bionic landed in master10:09
gnuoyah, yes, thanks for that10:09
fnordahlI am also working on deprecating self-signed SSL management in Keystone10:09
fnordahlAs it is causing issues for deployments which does not use that feature10:10
fnordahl(which is the most of our users)10:10
gnuoyyeah :)10:10
fnordahlNeed some documenting and departmentaling of the propsoed patch on my part and I will ask for review asap10:10
gnuoylathiat, do you want  to mention the bug/reviews questions you had now?10:11
lathiatSure10:11
gnuoythanks10:11
lathiatLooking for some input on adding "SSL Hardening" options to charm-helpers destined for most of the HTTP service charms, details in https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/issues/129 - hadn't had a response on that yet so wasn't sure where to raise it.10:11
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lathiatNot sure if people would prefer to read the above, or if I should elaborate further here? Happy to take follow-ups in the bug post-meeting.  More wanted to get some attention.10:12
jamespageI think this is a good topic for this meeting10:12
gnuoyCan we get some volunteers to review that doc10:13
gnuoy?10:13
gnuoyyes, and discuss here10:13
gnuoys/doc/comment10:13
jamespagelathiat: one thing that springs to mind was some older py2's support for TLS 1.210:13
jamespagesomething along those lines - can't remember the detail (might be 14.04's)10:14
lathiatjamespage; Yeah I also thought about that, something I planned to do when I implement it was test which distro/openstack versions did or didn't work once you twiddled those various options.10:14
jamespagelathiat: +110:14
gnuoyI like the idea of ssl-security-level fwiw as long as we default it to high/modern10:14
gnuoysecure-out-of-the-box and all that10:14
jamespagegnuoy: agreed - an opinionated secure by default stance is good IMHO10:15
lathiatThe second main sticky point was the customer wants to be able to set the SSLCipherSuite list and that seems a little non-charmy, so wanted some thoughts on if we allowed thought, or perhaps allowed some other kidn of config-flags style option, or just pushed back on that request entirely10:15
jamespagelathiat: thanks for working this btw - much appreciated10:15
jamespagelathiat: I'd rather take the profiles approach10:15
jamespagegeneral helps users not shoot themselves in the foot10:16
gnuoyRight, but what about super-opinionated customers10:16
gnuoyI like the idea of profiles + config-flag overides for the crazy people10:16
gnuoyconfig-flags would allow tactical fixes while we update the cert list in the event of an urgent change10:17
jamespageI can't argue with that10:17
jamespagehowever I still don't like config-flags ;)10:17
gnuoydon't get me wrong, neither do I10:18
jamespagelathiat: sounds like something config-flag's y is OK but with severe health warning10:18
gnuoylathiat, I think your issue statement is very well thought through10:18
jamespageI won't block on that...10:19
* lathiat nods10:19
lathiatok thanks, i'll take that and put something together and submit for review10:19
jamespagebut will insist that if it gets used, we raise bugs and generate profiles!10:19
gnuoyyes, please. standard config-flags caveat applies10:19
lathiatSecondly, looking for some input for a change I'm about to propose which enables VPNaaS for xenial-mitaka onwards.  It was originally disabled in utopic (post-trusty) because OpenSwan was deprecated/removed however at the same time strongswan is promoted to main and is supported - and was supported by OpenStack even then.10:19
lathiat[an initial not-up-to-date patch is here, will push an updated version post meeting with fixed tests] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551168/10:19
lathiatThe requesting user desires this to work on xenial-mitaka, but for mitaka we need to remove the neutron-l3-agent package and replace it with neutron-vpn-agent package (and service) instead.  It's the same code underneath mostly for whatever implementation reason it was done as a subclass with a separate binary.  This is all normal and related code already exists for trusty, but I'm just concerned about introducing that change for10:20
lathiatexisting xenial-mitaka installations or whether that would even be considered.  Right now VPNaaS is installed on trusty-mitaka, but not xenial-mitaka.10:20
lathiatOf note for Queens, they removed the neutron-vpn-agent being a subclass and separate binary and it's now just a loaded extension.  But doesn't help with xenial-mitaka through pike.10:20
lathiatOr rather more with xenial-mitaka since we'll be supporting that longer term10:21
lathiatjust wanted to get a feeling for whether that change for xenial-mitaka (well tested) is likely to be accepted or not10:21
* gnuoy defers to jamespage on this as I can't remember what the deal was with the swans10:22
jamespagelathiat: most of my pushback would be on viability of vpnaas as a project within openstack right now10:23
jamespageif you can prove is being sustained/supported OK, then I don't have an objection to enabling is in the charms - but its been a bit on/off in the last 12 months10:23
lathiatjamespage; OK, I can't really speak to that right now, I'd have to look into it.10:24
jamespagelathiat: great!10:24
lathiatif we assume it was, then the change would be reasonable?10:24
jamespageyes - dealing with the switchout of the binary and the move to extension in l3 rather than different binary needs to be accomodated for upgrades as well10:25
jamespagebut in general sounds ok ish10:25
lathiatyeah i've handled all that in my prepared patch10:25
lathiattrusty->mitaka etc10:25
lathiatand also for existing trusty-mitaka installs that are on openswan (i left it on openswan)10:25
lathiatOK perfect.  I'll look into that.  Thanks! That's all from me.10:25
gnuoykk10:25
gnuoy#topic Openstack Events10:26
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gnuoyhttps://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/10:26
jamespagesummit not that far off now10:26
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jamespageI'll be doing my usual project update and helping run some forum sessions on upgrades10:26
gnuoynice10:26
fnordahloo, that is a nice place. Make sure to visit English Bay and do some spotting of sea planes10:26
gnuoyI'm going to hurtle on to the next topic unless anyone wants to highlight another event10:27
gnuoy#topic Open Discussion10:28
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gnuoyanyone ? or I'm going to close this up10:28
gnuoy#topic Next Chair10:29
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gnuoytinwood is our winner!10:29
tinwoodI thought I might be :)10:29
gnuoy#endmeeting10:29
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Apr 23 10:29:59 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)10:30
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2018/charms.2018-04-23-10.03.html10:30
gnuoythanks all10:30
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2018/charms.2018-04-23-10.03.txt10:30
fnordahlthanks gnuoy o/10:30
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2018/charms.2018-04-23-10.03.log.html10:30
tinwoodthanks gnuoy10:30
iceythanks gnuoy !10:30
lathiatThanks all10:30
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jamespagegnuoy: thankyou!10:32
gnuoynp10:32
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dmellado#startmeeting kuryr14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 23 14:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dmellado. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kuryr'14:00
dmelladoHi kuryrs, who's here today for the meeting?14:00
duleko/14:02
dmelladooh, I'm not alone! xD14:02
dmelladohi dulek14:02
dulekHey.14:02
garylougo/14:02
yboaronHi guys14:02
dmellado#chair dulek14:02
openstackCurrent chairs: dmellado dulek14:02
dmellado#chair dulek yboaron14:02
openstackCurrent chairs: dmellado dulek yboaron14:02
dulek563137 is finishing check queue and will be getting into the merge one. It's not a lot of tests there on stable/queens, so fingers crossed. ;)14:03
dmellado#topic kuryr-kubernetes14:04
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dmelladosoooo, RELEASE14:04
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dulekI'll prepare a release commit once this last fix merges.14:04
dmelladojust for overall information we were planning to do a release on Friday14:05
dulekThen it's dmellado +1 needed on it and bugging the release folks.14:05
dmelladobut we've been struggling with some issues, hopefully sorted out by now14:05
dmelladoyeah, I'll take care of that ;)14:05
dmelladoso, overall issues, devstack wasn't applying any caps on the tempest plugin reqs14:05
dmelladoso they went haywire and broke all the things14:05
dmelladoyboaron: that's what you saw on those patches14:05
yboarondmellado, yep!14:06
dmelladowe fixed that and then backported14:06
dmelladohttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/dc5d88bc0b2233ee8490d31ce67d6a8f6e503b2314:06
dmelladoalso, centos amphora had some issues that made it not work properly14:06
yboarondmellado, thanks for the update!14:06
dmelladofirst one was due to DIB broke due to pip1014:06
dmelladothe image builder was broken so no amphora image so boom14:07
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dmelladoso we decided to go for their qcow2 published image14:07
dmelladowhich had some issues on connectivity on L214:07
dmelladoafter switching to ubuntu, things seems to be working now14:07
dmelladothose amphora issues made all service tests fail14:08
dmelladoso we had quite the interesting friday14:08
yboarondmellado,How the K8S python client version was related to those issues ?14:08
dmelladothanks dulek for all your work into this too14:08
dmelladoyboaron: that's another thing14:08
dmelladoand comes from the tempest plugin14:08
dmelladoas it had no UC cap14:08
dulekyboaron: Issues always come in pairs. :P14:08
yboarondmellado, you had a very busy weekend :-)14:08
dmelladoit installed a newer version14:09
dmelladofrom the python k8s client which changed how the service was created14:09
dmelladoit introduced a new parameter IIRC14:09
dmelladoand thus the test broke14:09
dmelladoI guess that's the overall story14:09
ltomasboo/ (forgot about this...)14:09
dmelladoBUT!14:09
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dmelladotoday we can finally get to release14:10
dmelladoand as a side and funny effect just go and -1 ltomasbo patches14:10
dmelladobecause of him being late, but that's another story14:10
ltomasboxD14:10
dmelladook, so that's all for me on the release side, how about you folks?14:10
dmellado#chair ltomasbo14:10
openstackCurrent chairs: dmellado dulek ltomasbo yboaron14:10
dulekI've started looking at fun thing. :)14:11
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dulekBasically I wanted to try https://kubernetes.io/blog/2016/01/simple-leader-election-with-kubernetes for leader election of kuryr-controller.14:11
dmelladoI'll take a look dulek14:11
dmelladofor the channel could you spare a quick summary on it?14:12
dulekI'm a little bit worried how this works. Basically there's a side-car container that does the leader-election.14:12
dulekAnd I don't really like depending on a container coded in Kubernetes repo and hosted by Google on GCR.14:12
dmelladodulek: do you have a spec on this?14:13
dulekOn the other hand rewriting that in Python (NIH) doesn't make too much sense either.14:13
dulekdmellado: Not yet, just wanted to see how this works.14:13
dulekdmellado: A POC should be pretty easy to show, so I hope to have something soon.14:13
dmelladodulek: ack, I'll take a look too and might be asking you for details so I can properly reply after it14:13
dmelladodulek: even better ;)14:13
dulekYup. :)14:14
dulekOkay, that's it from my side.14:14
dmelladogaryloug: yboaron any updated from the DPDK side?14:14
garylougdmellado, I've just been making some changes based on the feedback I'm getting14:16
garylougnot much update14:16
dmelladoyboaron: thanks for handling the reviews so far14:17
dmelladogaryloug: let us know if you're missing any reviews and I'll push for those14:17
yboarondmellado, your'e welcome!14:17
yboarongaryloug, Q: how the the DPDK interface being attached to the relevant Pod ?14:17
yboarongaryloug, I mean after we've excluded it from the network stack14:18
garylougyboaron, this info is passed within the annotation14:20
garylougwe use downward API mechanism in K8s to get the DPDK interface14:20
garylougI will add this in more detail on the patch itself14:21
yboarongaryloug, thanks!14:21
garylougsorry i never got around to replying to you14:21
yboarongaryloug, NP!14:21
dmelladogaryloug: awesome, if you hadn't already please add some docs within the patch as well14:21
garylougdmellado, yes, it's on my todo list14:22
dmelladogaryloug: thanks!14:23
garylougNP :)14:23
dmelladoltomasbo: anything from your side?14:23
ltomasboworking on the network per namespace patch sets14:23
ltomasbostill one to finish the complete set (handling proper ports pool deletion)14:23
ltomasboand then I need to add unittests14:23
ltomasboso, feel free to take a look and provide reviews!14:24
ltomasboother than that, trying to have a better coverage for octavia and ovs-firewall at the gates14:24
ltomasboas we were not testing a few things and that is why we had some issues the last fridays...14:24
dmelladoltomasbo: I've seen your patches on the gates, if I'm right there's an actual bug on zuul v3 parsing14:24
ltomasbothat's all on my side14:24
dmelladoso, more infra side14:25
ltomasbofor the ovs-firewall, right?14:25
dmelladoI'm waiting on this patch to get finally merged to enable multi node testing14:25
dmelladoltomasbo: yeah14:25
ltomasboyep14:25
dmelladohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/545724/14:25
dmelladothis is the one we need merged to enable or gates, but those are done14:25
dmelladobesides this, I also wanted to tackle network policy support14:26
dmelladoso14:26
dmelladoirenab: around?14:26
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dmelladoall right, not yet14:27
dmelladoso, all the patches on network policy support have been there for a while14:27
dmelladoand I think I'll be taking them over, rebase them and give them a try14:28
dmelladoso we can get to merge them and create a new gate/tests for this14:28
dmelladoI'll be setting a VC this week to discuss this14:28
dmelladohttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/kubernetes-sig-network/A8oyMrWpJ8Q14:28
dmelladoplease do take a look at ^^ prior to the meeting14:28
dmelladoin case you're interested in attending14:28
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dmelladobesides this, I'll be creating several slides for the presentations that we do have for the Vancouver summit14:31
dmelladoand I might be asking for collaborations from you , as you're just scared of flying there14:31
dmellado#topic open discussion14:32
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dmelladoAnything else around that you'd like to speak about, folks?14:32
dulekMaybe it's worth speaking about your PTG email?14:33
dulekAt least making people aware of. :)14:33
dmelladoyeah, that came the final thing14:33
dmelladoxD14:33
dmelladosorry folks, did you get to see my email about the next PTG?14:37
dmelladoso please reply before May 2nd14:40
dmelladohttps://goo.gl/forms/HfiNnEF2CwuMva6n114:40
dmelladodulek: ltomasbo yboaron irenab garyloug14:40
dmelladoand whoever ;)14:40
dulekI've answered already. :)14:41
dmelladothanks dulek ;)14:41
dmelladosnapiri: ^^ :P14:41
dmellado#endmeeting kuryr14:44
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Apr 23 14:44:03 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:44
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-04-23-14.00.html14:44
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-04-23-14.00.txt14:44
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-04-23-14.00.log.html14:44
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