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Jeffrey4l | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 16:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
Jeffrey4l | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
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spsurya | \0 | 16:00 |
caoyuan | \o | 16:00 |
mgoddard | o/ | 16:00 |
bmace | o/ | 16:00 |
sgoel_ | o/ | 16:00 |
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mgiles | o/ | 16:00 |
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chason | o/ | 16:01 |
yankcrime | \o | 16:01 |
Jeffrey4l | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
pbourke | o/ | 16:02 |
Jeffrey4l | after some discuss, we still think kolla-k8s should be retired. | 16:03 |
Jeffrey4l | i started a vote on ML, feel free to reply it. | 16:03 |
Jeffrey4l | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129452.html | 16:03 |
rwellum | o/ | 16:03 |
Jeffrey4l | any others from community? | 16:03 |
Jeffrey4l | ok move on | 16:04 |
Jeffrey4l | #topic ceph pg limits in luminous (pbourke) | 16:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "ceph pg limits in luminous (pbourke) (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
Jeffrey4l | pbourke, yours floor | 16:05 |
pbourke | thanks, one moment just trying to find the bug | 16:05 |
duonghq | o/ | 16:05 |
duonghq | sorry for late | 16:05 |
Jeffrey4l | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1763356 | 16:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1763356 in kolla-ansible "ceph deployment fails with not enough pages" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:06 |
Jeffrey4l | pbourke, ^^ | 16:06 |
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pbourke | thanks Jeffrey4l | 16:06 |
pbourke | that's the one | 16:06 |
pbourke | in summary | 16:06 |
pbourke | our images are currently using ceph 12.2.1 | 16:06 |
pbourke | in 12.2.2 they seem to have changed the limit on how many pgs you can have per osd | 16:07 |
pbourke | im not sure why our images haven't picked up this version, but as soon as we do, things will break | 16:07 |
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pbourke | vbel has posted a solution on the bug, I just wanted to bring this up and see if we're happy with this solution | 16:07 |
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pbourke | essentially, we should set the pg size for the pools we create to a very small value | 16:08 |
pbourke | and make it very clear via documentation or a warning message that operators need to revise these before deploying to production | 16:08 |
pbourke | kolla cannot accurately calculate these up front as it depends on the size and shape of each individual cluster | 16:09 |
Jeffrey4l | the issue is kolla don't know what's the ceph cluster size before deploying. | 16:09 |
pbourke | right | 16:09 |
pbourke | I think this makes sense, but Im not a ceph expert :) | 16:09 |
Jeffrey4l | use a smaller number for "ceph_pool_pg_num" works. | 16:10 |
pbourke | ok, we'll post a patch and people can review. Far as I can tell it wont be an issue for upgrades but will check this also | 16:10 |
Jeffrey4l | no matter how the number is. the operator still could hit this issue. | 16:12 |
Jeffrey4l | for example there is only one ceph-osd process | 16:12 |
Jeffrey4l | hrm... ignore ^^ | 16:13 |
pbourke | perhaps we could perform some calcuations up front? | 16:13 |
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pbourke | *calculations | 16:13 |
Jeffrey4l | pbourke, there are some recommendation from https://ceph.com/pgcalc/ | 16:13 |
pbourke | yeah | 16:14 |
pbourke | I think in the future this problem may go away anyhow, I read something about ceph looking to make pg configuration more transparent | 16:14 |
Jeffrey4l | cool. interesting | 16:15 |
pbourke | #link https://ceph.com/community/new-luminous-pg-overdose-protection/ | 16:15 |
Jeffrey4l | too long. will read it later. | 16:16 |
pbourke | so ok I think that's it for now | 16:16 |
caoyuan | pbourke thanks pbourke:) | 16:16 |
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Jeffrey4l | for kolla i think we can reduce the ceph pool pg num and add some note in doc at the same time. because this issue can not be ignore so far in kolla. | 16:17 |
pbourke | can we move on? | 16:18 |
Jeffrey4l | yes. | 16:19 |
Jeffrey4l | #topic Review clean up (pbourke) | 16:19 |
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Jeffrey4l | still yours pbourke | 16:19 |
pbourke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kolla-ansible+status:open | 16:19 |
pbourke | so just wanted to highlight that we still have reviews open from mid 2017 | 16:19 |
pbourke | I propose that these are tidied up | 16:20 |
pbourke | this looks better overall and makes it easier for reviewers to find whats important | 16:20 |
pbourke | unsure what criteria other projects use, I was going to suggest either 3 or 6 months | 16:20 |
pbourke | what do people think? | 16:20 |
Jeffrey4l | reasonable. | 16:20 |
harlowja | +1 | 16:21 |
spsurya | pbourke: reasonable to me too | 16:21 |
mgoddard | +1, with a warning before abandoning | 16:21 |
caoyuan | + | 16:21 |
caoyuan | 1 | 16:21 |
Jeffrey4l | i wonder is there any bot could do this in openstack now. | 16:21 |
pbourke | what Ive seen in the past is a core will simply abandon with something like "thanks for looking at this, if you're interested in continuing this work feel free to reopen" | 16:21 |
harlowja | ya i'd recommend ^ | 16:22 |
pbourke | a bot would be useful but I dont think there's too many | 16:22 |
duonghq | +1, I prefer 6mo, we should left a bit more detail like: no activity in xxx mo | 16:22 |
pbourke | so I'm happy to go ahead and do this | 16:22 |
harlowja | i'd rather these have the human touch to it; people may have put in blood/sweat and tears into some of those changes | 16:22 |
pbourke | duonghq: 6 months is fine | 16:22 |
pbourke | is trivial for people to reopen, it just takes them off our radar | 16:22 |
pbourke | *it's | 16:22 |
Jeffrey4l | i saw some simliar bot in launchpad. btw we should cleanup bugs in the same way | 16:23 |
pbourke | oh, yes even more so for bugs | 16:23 |
spsurya | Also before that if we try to reach author at once then post the comment about abandon etc | 16:23 |
Jeffrey4l | for bugs, i found this script https://github.com/openstack-infra/release-tools/blob/master/expire_old_bug_reports.py | 16:24 |
mgoddard | if a bug is confirmed but not fixed, should it still be closed? | 16:24 |
pbourke | mgoddard: hard to say, if old enough if may no longer be valid | 16:24 |
mgoddard | I recently attended a bug triage session with the ironic team. That could be another way to tackle it | 16:25 |
pbourke | sounds good | 16:25 |
pbourke | I find it difficult to keep up with the bugs, if we had a formal session every now and then we might do better at keeping on top of them | 16:25 |
Jeffrey4l | from the script, it will mark the bug as close if there is no update for 18 month | 16:26 |
mgoddard | they also have a bug liaison person assigned each week, who keeps track of new bugs | 16:26 |
mgoddard | 18 months seems a reasonable amount of time | 16:26 |
mgoddard | although I think harlowja's point about the human touch applies here too | 16:27 |
harlowja | ya, just keep in mind that there are people behind those bugs/reviews ... | 16:27 |
harlowja | with feelings and such :-P | 16:27 |
Jeffrey4l | mgoddard, +1 https://github.com/openstack-infra/release-tools/blob/master/expire_old_bug_reports.py#L162-L173 | 16:28 |
chason | Maybe we can just fix bugs of the maintained realease. | 16:28 |
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Jeffrey4l | mgoddard, triage session sound a good solution too. | 16:29 |
Jeffrey4l | chason, what is that meaning? | 16:29 |
mgoddard | Jeffrey4l: It allows us to pool knowledge, rather than rely on one person with a limited domain | 16:29 |
Jeffrey4l | mgoddard, do you konw how the session is orgranized? | 16:30 |
mgoddard | Jeffrey4l: there was a ML post, I'll find it | 16:31 |
Jeffrey4l | chason, since we haven't stable-policy tag now. in fact we could backport some bp-like patch check http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129265.html | 16:31 |
Jeffrey4l | cool. i will check that later. | 16:31 |
Jeffrey4l | so for this topic, the conclusion for now is: we will close the bp(6 months)/bugs(18months) with a proper comments. | 16:32 |
Jeffrey4l | manully or automatically. | 16:32 |
mgoddard | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg117769.html | 16:33 |
mgoddard | also see follow up emails for format | 16:33 |
mgoddard | it was a video call via bluejeans | 16:33 |
Jeffrey4l | yep | 16:34 |
Jeffrey4l | maybe we could scheduler one if there is enough guy who interested this | 16:34 |
Jeffrey4l | ok. seems we are done for this topic | 16:35 |
Jeffrey4l | let's move | 16:35 |
Jeffrey4l | #topic Open Discussion | 16:35 |
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Jeffrey4l | any volunteer? | 16:35 |
mgoddard | I made a demo of kayobe | 16:36 |
mgoddard | Fast version: https://asciinema.org/a/176888?speed=2 | 16:36 |
mgoddard | Real time: https://asciinema.org/a/176883 | 16:36 |
mgoddard | There will be a blog post to follow shortly | 16:37 |
Jeffrey4l | cool | 16:37 |
chason | mgoddard nice work! :) | 16:37 |
mgoddard | Also, I recently created a proof of concept CI job for bifrost | 16:38 |
pbourke | nice one | 16:38 |
mgoddard | https://review.openstack.org/549775 | 16:38 |
harlowja | so i have a question | 16:38 |
mgoddard | it worked at one point, but is now failing again :) | 16:38 |
harlowja | i've been trying to get the sensu images to build (we use source mode) | 16:38 |
mgoddard | is this something the kolla team would be interested in having? | 16:38 |
spsurya | mgoddard: will watch your nice job | 16:39 |
harlowja | but i've noticed http://paste.openstack.org/show/719424/ happens in source mode (on centos) | 16:39 |
harlowja | so i'm thinking that we may want to emit some kind of error for kolla building of sensu in source mode (until thats adddressed) | 16:39 |
Jeffrey4l | mgoddard, yep. more jobs is welcome. | 16:40 |
mgoddard | cool, I'll fix the issue and add some reviewers | 16:40 |
harlowja | i think it will work in binary mode, though on centos i'm having to force add `centos-release-openstack-pike` | 16:40 |
harlowja | so wondering if anyone else has tried those sensu containers? | 16:40 |
pbourke | harlowja: I'm not very familiar but - we dont build source containers for non openstack components, so the binary/source workflow for sensu should be the same? | 16:41 |
harlowja | pbourke well it can be tried, it just craps out pretty late in the build process | 16:41 |
harlowja | so it almost feels better to die early | 16:41 |
Jeffrey4l | sensu is a binary install. and it depends on some oenstack client. | 16:41 |
pbourke | harlowja: ping me the review and I'll take a look | 16:42 |
Jeffrey4l | but why the novaclient is installed? the repo is well configured in source install type | 16:42 |
Jeffrey4l | is not installed* | 16:42 |
harlowja | which repo has it :) | 16:42 |
harlowja | on centos | 16:42 |
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Jeffrey4l | python-novaclient? delorean repo? let me check that | 16:44 |
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harlowja | ya, let me know | 16:45 |
harlowja | maybe it's something we messed up also | 16:45 |
harlowja | (on centos not rhel) | 16:45 |
Jeffrey4l | python2-novaclient.noarch 1:9.1.0-0.20170804194758.0a53d19.el7.centos delorean | 16:45 |
harlowja | seems like a different name no? | 16:45 |
Jeffrey4l | yes. | 16:45 |
Jeffrey4l | novaclient may chagned name during this cycle. prepare for python3? | 16:46 |
Jeffrey4l | so i guess this maybe a bug in sensu side. | 16:46 |
harlowja | ya, i'll check to see if delorean is active | 16:46 |
harlowja | and do some double-checking | 16:46 |
Jeffrey4l | and sensu should fix the its dependency | 16:46 |
Jeffrey4l | btw, here is another silimar issue happend on kolla_toolbox https://review.openstack.org/561797 | 16:47 |
Jeffrey4l | harlowja, delorean is rdo master repo. so it is active. | 16:47 |
Jeffrey4l | re kolla_toolbox, we are using source install ansible for kolla_toolbox no matter what the install_type is | 16:48 |
harlowja | ya, https://github.com/openstack-packages/osops-tools-monitoring/blob/rdo-liberty/osops-tools-monitoring-oschecks.spec may also just need to be updated | 16:48 |
Jeffrey4l | but recently, i found "pip install ansible" breaks the OS on ocata branch for oraclelinux | 16:48 |
Jeffrey4l | check https://review.openstack.org/561573 | 16:49 |
Jeffrey4l | pbourke, ^^ you may be insteresting. | 16:49 |
Jeffrey4l | harlowja, cool | 16:49 |
harlowja | it'd be nice if it could just be in a virtualenv for https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring | 16:49 |
harlowja | instead of a package (especially in source mode) | 16:49 |
harlowja | but just thought i'd ask if people have seen this :-P | 16:49 |
Jeffrey4l | harlowja, sensu is a ruby project. | 16:50 |
harlowja | ya, i know | 16:50 |
Jeffrey4l | https://github.com/sensu/sensu | 16:50 |
harlowja | more of the checks in https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring/tree/master/monitoring-for-openstack are the things getting installed | 16:51 |
harlowja | afaik that's what is in the rpm that is broke(maybe broke?) | 16:51 |
Jeffrey4l | but centos add the client depency when install sensu. | 16:52 |
ktibi | Jeffrey4l, I see you answer about repo for stable branch. but for master do you know the repo used ? | 16:53 |
Jeffrey4l | i still think this should be fixed on centos side. | 16:53 |
Jeffrey4l | ktibi, yep for master we are using passed-ci repo | 16:53 |
ktibi | it's about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562242/ I add package in passed-ci :/ | 16:54 |
Jeffrey4l | ktibi, check https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/kolla/common/config.py#L41 | 16:54 |
harlowja | Jeffrey4l i'll do some checking before saying more :) | 16:54 |
ktibi | Jeffrey4l, package is in https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-pike/current-passed-ci :/ | 16:55 |
ktibi | INFO:kolla.image.build.horizon:No package openstack-designate-ui available | 16:55 |
Jeffrey4l | ktibi, so it is not in the finally pike repo? | 16:56 |
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Jeffrey4l | ktibi, if so, you may have to wait until the package is rolled into centos-release-openstack-pike repo. | 16:56 |
ktibi | ho ok. I understand now. For backport in stable branch, we use stable repo >< | 16:56 |
Jeffrey4l | yep | 16:57 |
ktibi | ok I'll ask to #rdo ^^ | 16:57 |
Jeffrey4l | cool | 16:57 |
Jeffrey4l | ok, we are almost run out of time. | 16:58 |
Jeffrey4l | thanks guys for coming. | 16:58 |
Jeffrey4l | have a nice day&night | 16:58 |
Jeffrey4l | let us end the meeting. | 16:58 |
Jeffrey4l | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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