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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 08:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
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| annarez | Hi :) | 08:01 |
| Idan_Kinory | Hi | 08:01 |
| Liat | Hi | 08:01 |
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| yujunz | hi | 08:01 |
| nivo | hey | 08:01 |
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| eyalb | \o/ | 08:02 |
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| ifat_afek | First update: I would like to nominate dwj to a Vitrage core contributor :-) I will send an email to OpenStack mailing list later today | 08:03 |
| eyalb | +2 | 08:03 |
| yujunz | +2 | 08:04 |
| annarez | congratulations!! | 08:04 |
| dwj | Thanks~ | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Welcome :-) | 08:04 |
| Idan_Kinory | congratulations :) | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | Next - we have continued the equivalence/merge alarm and resource design. | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/550534 | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/547931 | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | yujunz, dwj: any update on your side? | 08:05 |
| dwj | No | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | and peipei of course :-) | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | So how do we continue? | 08:05 |
| yujunz | I discussed about the topic with peipei and want to clarify a few things. | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | OK | 08:06 |
| yujunz | Firstly the use case for us is mainly the merge of reported and monitored alarm. | 08:07 |
| yujunz | Sorry reported and deduced | 08:07 |
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| yujunz | Since we are actually deducing an alarm which should be reported. So the there is less conflict in properties than two distinct data sources. | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | Makes sense | 08:09 |
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| yujunz | So I wonder if you have the use case for two different alarm data sources like nagios and zabbix at the same time or currently what you are facing is mainly the resource equivalent | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | Not now, but we might have this use case in the future | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | We are not working on Prometheus datasource, and we might add Grafana, that will also include Prometheus alarms | 08:11 |
| yujunz | not or now? :-) | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | now :-) | 08:12 |
| peipei | so the use case that two monitored alarms are equivalent should be supported any how,right? | 08:13 |
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| ifat_afek | We won’t need it in Rocky, but we will probably need it some time in the future (within a year maybe), and then we don’t want to have two different mechanisms | 08:14 |
| yujunz | You mean two mechanism for resource and alarm? | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | For resource merge, we can handle k8s datasource without it, since it knows exactly the Nova datasource properties | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | I mean two mechanisms for deduced and complete merge | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | Because if I understand you correctly, you are saying that maybe we could have a smaller refactoring now that will only solve your use case | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | I agree that it might be easier, the question is what we will do in the future | 08:15 |
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| ifat_afek | Will you ever need the full merge functionality? | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | In ZTE? | 08:16 |
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| peipei | We have discussed that maybe we can use equivalence for resource, and merge for alarm. | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | Another future use case is merge of Vitrage discovery agent and Nova, but this won’t happen in Rocky either | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | And we don’t know the details yet | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | peipei: why? | 08:19 |
| peipei | Because equivalence for alarm will be complex。 | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | Also for resources, right?… | 08:20 |
| peipei | If we support bidirectional deduce, maybe number of scenarios will rise by exponential... | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | So you don’t want to duplicate the scenarios, that’s the main motivation? | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | I would say it’s not complex, but it has a performance issue | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | But in order to not-duplicate scenarios, I believe we need the merge option that I suggested, where we keep all properties all all datasources | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | Or do you want to make a special handling without it, just because it is Vitrage and not two external monitors? | 08:24 |
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| yujunz | Are you talking about merge option #2 ? | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | I think so | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | Unless we find a way for option #1 without scenario duplication | 08:26 |
| peipei | You mean overwrite in merge option #1? | 08:27 |
| peipei | or equivalence option? | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | I mean overwrite merge option #1 | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | I understood that you don’t want equivalence | 08:28 |
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| ifat_afek | BTW, we didn’t discuss it in the last meeting, but - are you sure that you won’t reach an endless loop in the bi-directional templates? | 08:29 |
| annarez | peipei why is scenario duplication in the case of bidirectional deduce will be exponential? | 08:30 |
| peipei | In the template A OR B -> C, and zabbix A ~ nagios A, and zabbix B~ nagios B, 4 scenarios will be matched. | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | So this is not related to bidirectional deduction, right? | 08:33 |
| peipei | Yes. | 08:34 |
| peipei | I mean if in bi-diretional, number of nodes and edged both rise fastly | 08:34 |
| ifat_afek | So this is the performance problem we discussed. The question is how many such equivalences you expect to have | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | Regarding bidirectional: you will have C -> suspect V | 08:36 |
| ifat_afek | So this will not be duplicatied | 08:36 |
| ifat_afek | V for Vitrage :-) | 08:36 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, it is important to note that in your example we WON’T execute four scenarios. There will be a single trigger, say zabbix A. So we will only execute scenarios related to Zabbix A, and there will be two of them. The Nagios A scenarios will be ignored at this stage | 08:37 |
| ifat_afek | And again, what matters is how many duplicated scenarios you expect to have | 08:38 |
| yujunz | I think performance is just one side of concerns. There is a complexity issue in the deducing model. | 08:40 |
| ifat_afek | What do you mean? | 08:41 |
| yujunz | With equivalent entities in the graph, it is no longer a tree, but probably a a mesh. | 08:41 |
| ifat_afek | It hasn’t been a tree for a long time :-) with RCA and ‘causes’ edges | 08:42 |
| ifat_afek | And Heat stacks | 08:42 |
| ifat_afek | But I understand what you mean | 08:42 |
| ifat_afek | But why does it matter so much? the sub-graph matching algorithm should work as before | 08:43 |
| peipei | I wonder whether duplicated scenarios will lower performance of sub-graph matching algorithm? | 08:45 |
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| ifat_afek | Can I ask something? why is it actually so important to create a suspect alarm? why not write a template like ‘ if C and not A then run diagnose action’? without having an intermediate suspect vertex? | 08:46 |
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| ifat_afek | Why do you think that duplicated scenarios will have lower performance? it only means that we will execute more scenarios | 08:47 |
| ifat_afek | We should chose one of two solutions: 1. IMO is more robust, but with a performance penalty 2. Better performance, but very complex implementation | 08:48 |
| ifat_afek | That’s how I see it | 08:48 |
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| peipei | Ok, and merge option #2 may be more complex to implement. | 08:50 |
| peipei | And I can send a more detailed design about merge option lator by mail. | 08:50 |
| ifat_afek | What option are you talking about? | 08:51 |
| ifat_afek | I meant 1. equivalence and 2. merge option #2 | 08:51 |
| peipei | merge option #2 | 08:51 |
| ifat_afek | Regarding merge option #1 - I think it still requires scenario duplication | 08:51 |
| ifat_afek | Ok | 08:51 |
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| ifat_afek | Two unrelated quick updates, before we end the meeting | 08:53 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Vancouver summit | 08:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver summit (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:53 | |
| ifat_afek | We are going to have many Vitrage sessions in Vancouver :-) | 08:53 |
| yujunz | How many? I got 1/3 :-) | 08:54 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=vitrage | 08:54 |
| ifat_afek | 7 total, one of them by WindRiver | 08:54 |
| ifat_afek | About the alarm banner that they implemented | 08:54 |
| ifat_afek | Not all of them are *about* Vitrage, but they will mention Vitrage | 08:55 |
| ifat_afek | Next, we can ask for a forum discussion. We need to think if there is an issue we would like to discuss | 08:56 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/127944.htmlx | 08:56 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vancouver2018 | 08:56 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 08:56 |
| ifat_afek | I created an etherpad, at the moment it is empty | 08:56 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-vitrage-brainstorming | 08:56 |
| ifat_afek | And last issue: StoryBoard migration. annarez and I checked it and we have a few unclear issues. We emailed OpenStack representative and got no response yet. So for now it is on hold | 08:57 |
| ifat_afek | Anything else? we have 3 minutes left | 08:57 |
| ifat_afek | Bye, see you next week :-) | 08:59 |
| yujunz | Bye | 08:59 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:59 |
| annarez | bye | 08:59 |
| dwj | Bye | 08:59 |
| Liat | by | 08:59 |
| Liat | bye | 08:59 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 09:00:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2018/vitrage.2018-03-21-08.00.html | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2018/vitrage.2018-03-21-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2018/vitrage.2018-03-21-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 16:00:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic Roll-call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll-call (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| mgoddard | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | o/ | 16:00 |
| caoyuan | o、 | 16:00 |
| spsurya__ | 0/ | 16:00 |
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| ktibi | o/ | 16:01 |
| bmace | o/ | 16:01 |
| caoyuan | o/ | 16:01 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:01 |
| chason | o/ | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| Jeffrey4l | first of all, welcome caoyuan to join the core team | 16:02 |
| sadasu | o/ | 16:02 |
| caoyuan | ：） | 16:02 |
| caoyuan | thanks | 16:02 |
| duonghq | congratulation caoyuan | 16:02 |
| spsurya__ | grats caoyuan | 16:02 |
| ktibi | congrats ;) | 16:02 |
| caoyuan | thanks ：） guys | 16:02 |
| portdirect | o/ | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | second, kolla rc2 is tagged. and kolla 6.0.0 tag will be released soon. | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | any announcements from community? | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic ptg summary bp | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg summary bp (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-rocky-ptg-recap | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks pbourke for preparing the summary. | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | we need convert them to bp. | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | please open the link. | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | and add proper bp for them, if the pb already exists, please just add the link. | 16:05 |
| pbourke | a handful have already started bps | 16:05 |
| pbourke | will add links now | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | we will be after 10 min | 16:06 |
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| Jeffrey4l | if anyone is interested in any bp, please assign it to yourself. | 16:06 |
| sadasu | I am working on 3rd party vendor plugins for Neutron | 16:07 |
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| Jeffrey4l | cool. | 16:07 |
| sadasu | that approach could be used for plugins that are currently in tree and are planning to be split out | 16:07 |
| sadasu | and I understand the issue that Sam Betts brought up during the PTG | 16:08 |
| sadasu | does a BP already exist for this? | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | sadasu, could you write a spec or POC to explain what the issue and how to solve it? | 16:09 |
| sadasu | Jeffrey41: yes, if non already exists, I would be happy to start a new spec | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | iirc, there is no such a bp | 16:10 |
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| sadasu | I also have some initial changes out in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552119/ | 16:10 |
| sadasu | let me first create a spec and then link this review to that | 16:11 |
| sadasu | thanks to caoyuan for providing comments on the review | 16:12 |
| caoyuan | sadasu you are welcome:) | 16:12 |
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| yankcrime | regarding backups, i've added the link in to the existing bp for mariadb backup and recovery | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | yankcrime, thanks. | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | time is up. thanks all guys. | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | please feel free to take the pbs. | 16:16 |
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| Jeffrey4l | and if you have any concern, please throw it out in meeting or ML. | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | anythink wanna be talked for the pb now? | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | guess no | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | let us move on | 16:18 |
| pbourke | pb? | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. | 16:18 |
| pbourke | what is that? | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | any bluesprint in the etherpad you wannt to talk here, now? | 16:19 |
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| mgoddard | Jeffrey4l: you mean bp (not pb)? | 16:19 |
| Jeffrey4l | hrm, sorry, my bad | 16:20 |
| pbourke | ah right | 16:20 |
| pbourke | one thing | 16:20 |
| pbourke | sometimes there's confusion on who can set those to approved | 16:20 |
| pbourke | could you clarify Jeffrey4l ? | 16:20 |
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| spsurya__ | Jeffrey4l: I would be working on rolling upgrade for few of core Services and I would assign the same | 16:21 |
| pbourke | I think its anyone in the kolla launchpad group, but Im not sure what makes a bp eligble for approval | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | normally, another core member, who is not the drafer, could. | 16:21 |
| pbourke | ok | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | we are not that strict on this. | 16:21 |
| pbourke | good enough for me :) | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | in other team, a spec and a roll-voting is required. | 16:22 |
| Jeffrey4l | and we only do this for big change. | 16:22 |
| Jeffrey4l | spsurya__, cool, thanks. | 16:22 |
| ktibi | I can see a lot of bp have old series version. Maybe try to clean bp ? | 16:22 |
| Jeffrey4l | ktibi, yep. we need update them. | 16:23 |
| duonghq | spsurya__, thanks, I'll update the current status, I also working on Heat locally | 16:23 |
| caoyuan_ | spsurya__ cool and the other's rolling upgrade I glad to complete | 16:23 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: caoyuan_ roger | 16:24 |
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| Jeffrey4l | feel free to re-target the bp status and series. | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. let us move on | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic kolla-kubernetes project split | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kolla-kubernetes project split (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:25 | |
| duonghq | caoyuan_, spsurya__ Glance ps is finished, can you test with me? | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is still WIP | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://review.openstack.org/552531 | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think we guys are agree on that split the kk8s project. | 16:26 |
| caoyuan_ | duonghq my pleasure | 16:26 |
| portdirect | are any kolla-k8s cores here? | 16:26 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: sure, we can discuss in opendiscussion | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | portdirect, anything you wanna to update now? | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | portdirect, tbh, the former active contributor are not here. | 16:26 |
| pbourke | i just read portdirect's comment and I think it makes sense | 16:26 |
| portdirect | :( | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | i checked the code of kolla-k8s and osh ( shamed on me that i never tried them), i am agree with the former kk8s active contributor, | 16:27 |
| pbourke | portdirect: usually agreement is a good thing ;) | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | the microservice is a good arch than only one charts. | 16:28 |
| portdirect | As someone who used to be active in the project I'm just worried that it would be confusing, and potentially damaging, to 'launch' a project that from the outset does not have a path towards sustainability. | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | portdirect, it is hard to upgrade the openstack through only one charts for nova. | 16:29 |
| portdirect | I contest that :) | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | portdirect, spsurya__ and i will start contribute this project | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | and we will also try to find other volunteers | 16:29 |
| spsurya__ | Jeffrey4l: IIRC rwellum is also in | 16:30 |
| portdirect | also osh supports the same architecture as kolla-k8s if desired: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/nova/values.yaml#L1594-L1639 | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeap | 16:30 |
| pbourke | why not just contribute to osh | 16:30 |
| spsurya__ | Jeffrey4l: duonghq has also shown interest at a time don't know at the moment | 16:31 |
| portdirect | I dont want to cause to much issues - but its worth noting that osh has three large orgs in or close to prod | 16:31 |
| Jeffrey4l | hrm, i see, interesting, | 16:31 |
| portdirect | and for them, upgrade was the primary attraction | 16:31 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, it is mainly concern with arch or deploy philosophy | 16:31 |
| pbourke | I imagine those issues could be worked out with osh | 16:32 |
| pbourke | assuming they even are issues from an end user perspective | 16:32 |
| portdirect | Jeffrey4l: would it help if i produced a demo of OSH run as micro-charts? | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think i get your idea. | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | use variables to control which chart is loaded in heml | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | helm* | 16:33 |
| portdirect | yup | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | i missed that when i review the code. | 16:33 |
| portdirect | this provides the exact same flexibility as the kolla-k8s deployment method | 16:33 |
| portdirect | where each object can be addressed individually | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | there is another thing i concern. | 16:34 |
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| Jeffrey4l | how helm load the *.yml? any possible order? | 16:35 |
| portdirect | as in the templates? | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. | 16:35 |
| portdirect | it uses a semi-deterministic order | 16:36 |
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| portdirect | which is controlled through one of two methods | 16:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | okay, i will check that | 16:37 |
| portdirect | we use dependency/environment checking extensivly: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/nova/values.yaml#L205-L219 | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | roger thanks | 16:38 |
| portdirect | or you can take control of the manifest deployment via toggling them in the over-rides in a playbook | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | understand. | 16:38 |
| portdirect | *via a playbook | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | at least for microservice, osh and kk8s are almost the them. | 16:38 |
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| Jeffrey4l | mybe i need dig these two projects more later. | 16:39 |
| portdirect | we choose a different `default path` but you can drive them in veritually the same way if desired | 16:39 |
| portdirect | its also worth noting that with osh - we fully support both Kolla and LOCI images | 16:40 |
| portdirect | taking the same path that Kolla-Ansible is now exploring for bind mounting in the config and scripts | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | got. | 16:41 |
| portdirect | thanks | 16:43 |
| portdirect | :) | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am agree now that we should and may be co-operation. but we still need some time before make the decision. ;D | 16:43 |
| portdirect | ++ | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks portdirect | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | anything else about kk8s and osh? | 16:44 |
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| Jeffrey4l | let us move on | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic Documentation RST convention upgrade | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation RST convention upgrade (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:44 | |
| Jeffrey4l | chason, your floor | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | seem he is not here. | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kolla-ansible+branch:master+topic:bp/optimize-the-documentation-format | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is a legecy patch in fact. | 16:46 |
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| Jeffrey4l | there some syntax or convention issue in doc | 16:46 |
| spsurya__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538220/ | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | feel free to review them | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks | 16:46 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #topic Open Discussion | 16:47 |
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| Jeffrey4l | any volunteers? | 16:47 |
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| bmace | if we have time i wouldn't mind getting any feedback on my email to the mailing list regarding upstreaming the kollacli | 16:48 |
| bmace | and putting it under kolla management | 16:48 |
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| pbourke | im good with it but a little biased obviously ;) | 16:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | we can create a new repo for it. | 16:49 |
| pbourke | do we need a spec? | 16:49 |
| spsurya__ | duonghq: i can help in test and also would like add script for nova rolling upgrade | 16:49 |
| pbourke | would like people to be in agreement with the overall way it works before importing it | 16:50 |
| bmace | well, since it is already sort of fully implemented and i linked the docs in the email to the mailing list, i'm not sure what extra a spec would provide. | 16:50 |
| mgoddard | would be nice to see a spec for the cli, but clearly an implementation exists so how much will you be willing to change? | 16:50 |
| duonghq | spsurya__, nice, thank you very much | 16:50 |
| bmace | i am fine with it changing in whatever ways the community wants, that is the whole point of doing the upstream :) | 16:50 |
| bmace | mgoddard ^^ | 16:51 |
| mgoddard | another approach could be - import existing as a pre 1.0 release, with the proviso that anything may change before 1.0 | 16:51 |
| duonghq | hope that we can finished 1st version for rolling upgrade of all core services, it will need extensive test | 16:51 |
| pbourke | mgoddard: seems a good idea | 16:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | how about move the project into openstack project namespace, then if there is anything not properly, we can improve it through a spec | 16:51 |
| bmace | mgoddard: that is fine with me as well... consider the cli pre-release until a point that the community is happy with it. | 16:52 |
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| spsurya__ | duonghq: will learn in advance way to test for glance probably tomorrow | 16:52 |
| duonghq | spsurya__, nice | 16:52 |
| mgoddard | on the question of a new repo vs. in kolla-ansible - how closely tied is it to the inventory, config, playbooks etc.? | 16:52 |
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| pbourke | bmace: people may be more likely to read a spec rather than trawl the oracle docs | 16:53 |
| spsurya__ | we also need to optimize the solution of zedro downtime of ks | 16:53 |
| pbourke | prob not a big deal though | 16:53 |
| pbourke | most seem in favor so | 16:53 |
| bmace | mgoddard: internally we have a totally separate repository for the cli, so having it broken out is fine, but for the cli to be actually usable, it does rely on bits from kolla-ansible, like the passwords, playbooks, inventory, etc. | 16:53 |
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| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, the issue is we can not wait until the spec is merged. | 16:53 |
| mgoddard | if the cli is in a separate repo, then does the playbook 'interface' need to become stable? | 16:53 |
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| Jeffrey4l | for ansible playbooks, the interface is more like "inventory" file or "globals.yml" | 16:55 |
| bmace | mgoddard: a problem with the separate repo is that conceptually a change in kolla-ansible could break the cli, though in our experience it would need to be a pretty big change and that issue happens very rarely | 16:55 |
| pbourke | well I guess we'll have tests and gates to prevent that too | 16:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | bmace, we can add cross-project jobs to ensure this. | 16:55 |
| bmace | mgoddard: i think in the long run that could be covered by the introduction of some sort of co-dependent tests. | 16:56 |
| bmace | Jeffrey4l: exactly my thought, right | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | after the kolla-cli, we can use it in kolla-ansible jobs to genreate the inventory or global.syml file.s | 16:56 |
| mgoddard | it probably shouldn't come up often, but it just means we can't do something like rename site.yml to somethingelse.yml | 16:56 |
| pbourke | all that can be configurable | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | mgoddard, once that done, jobs failed and we could fix kolla-cli at the same time. | 16:57 |
| bmace | mgoddard: right, some sort of thought of the effect on the cli needs to be kept in mind, which i think is good all around, because some people use it already without a cli and might do scripts of their own and similar changes could break those people also. | 16:57 |
| mgoddard | that's true | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | let us start by separate repo. once it is not proper in the future, we can still merge two repo into one | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is not a big deal. | 16:58 |
| bmace | Jeffrey4l: that sounds great. starting with it broken out, as it is internally for us, should also make the transition easier. | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeah. | 16:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok time is up. let us move to kolla channel | 16:59 |
| bmace | is there any way that i can be a core for just the cli? i'm not sure how it was for the kolla-k8s stuff, i think something was done similar? if not that is fine.. i just know i have a bit of outstanding work to do on it and will just need to get other folks to review it :) | 16:59 |
| caoyuan_ | ok | 16:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks guys for coming. | 16:59 |
| bmace | kk | 16:59 |
| duonghq | thanks | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 17:00:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-21-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-21-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-21-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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