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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:08 |
|---|---|---|
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 15 14:08:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:08 | |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:08 |
| w|zzy_ | morning | 14:08 |
| McClymontS | o/ | 14:08 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ has been delayed | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | let's skip ahead and return to item #1 when he arrives | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | #topic bug team meeting | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug team meeting (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:10 | |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | i sent out a poll about a good time for the meeting | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128048.html | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_ hello! | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | _sorry_ ... I've clearly missed one day somewhere ... I was totally living Wed | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | please respond by 23:59 UTC today ... looking like 10:00 UTC Monday will be selected | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, hi | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | thanks for stepping in! | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | thought it was something like that | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i tried to get abhishekk to do it, but he's on mobile | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | anyway, the bug meeting will be every 2 weeks for 45 minutes | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i'll send out an email early Friday morning UTC time about when the first meeting will be | 14:12 |
| w|zzy | Much better time for people in Australia etc | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | sounds good | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | yes, we USA people are going to take one for the team on this | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all for item #2, we can go back to #1 | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | ;) | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | Actually I have very little on updates wise. so this part will be quick | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: mind to change the topic or chair ;) | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | how do you change the chair? anyone know? | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #chair jokke_ | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: #chari jokke_ | 14:15 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jokke_ rosmaita | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | there we go | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | can i un-chair myself? | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #nochair rosmaita | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | I don't think so and it doesn't matter | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:15 | |
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| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551935/ | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | the glanceclient change we need to sort out and merge so we can release | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | looking pretty good, couple of minor things and that should be good to go. Keep your eyes on the review, please | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, we will push a new patch by tomorrow | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | and avoid merging anything else to the client until we get that tagged. | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | specially anything that might break the usability with queens api | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will watch that review also | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | Then specs ... We did change the specs repo acls if someone missed the memo on the priority email | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | sorry for not communicating the policy clearly abhishekk and smcginnis before hand. So now if there is something urgen breaking on that repo, just ping me | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | as we can't separate the +W rights to specs only, it's repo wide thing | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | ack | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ack | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | Then 3rd thing I'd like to point out as FYI: | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | The uWSGI conversation seems to be stull going and there might pop up some heated comments on that. I'm willing to take any responsibility of our agreement during the PTG that those uWSGI backports will not be accepted to our stable branches so you can direct anyone having issues with that to me | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | I'll try to keep you guys off from that as much as I can so we can focus on the more pressing things during the cycle | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:24 |
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| abhishekk | ++ | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | spotz: so I think that kind of stole your topic there. the link is broken but last time for our meeting go ahead | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | #topic devstack pike | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "devstack pike (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:25 | |
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| jokke_ | spotz: you there? | 14:26 |
| spotz | jokke_ no prob, I'm just defending the fact devstack pike needs to actually install. Not defending any method to reach the goal | 14:27 |
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| jokke_ | spotz: I do agree ;) | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | ok, I pull couple of topics up from the open | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | #topic specs freeze | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs freeze (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:28 | |
| rosmaita | spotz my concern about that backporting that patch is that the COA is for people who will be administrating an openstack cloud ... since we don't recommend uwsgi in production, it would be bad for them to think that uwsgi is the way to deploy glance | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | but agree that we need to get glance working in devstack | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | do we need more time on that? | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | no, i just can't keep my mouth shut | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | oknp | 14:29 |
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| jokke_ | so we did discuss this with Brian last week and would like to try something new here | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | is it absolutely horrible idea for rest of you if we spec freeze at R-2 which is week and half after the summit? | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | I think our early freezes might be one thing turning people away who gets interested during summit, comes to the onboarding and hears that they need to wait for 4 months before proposing their ideas | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | only downside is that we will have to be expeditious reviewing specs right before R-2 | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | but if we plan ahead, that shouldn't be too bad | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | seems good plan | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | but i agree with jokke_ that the super-early freeze may be a turn-off | 14:32 |
| spotz | rosmaita: Sorry for late answer, the exam doesn't have them doing any configuration. It's all CLI and dashboard unless something is radically changing which I don't think it is | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | That sounds good to me. I wouldn't imagine there would be too much coming in that late anyway, but nice to keep the door open for anything that comes up. | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | obviously we need to be realistic what can be approved for the cycle at that point, but it would keep the door open for some valuable feedback | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | spotz ok, good to know | 14:33 |
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| jokke_ | #topic S naming poll | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "S naming poll (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:34 | |
| jokke_ | #link https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_40b95cb2be3fcdf1&akey=8cfdc1f5df5fe4d3 | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | Remember to vote! | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:34 | |
| rosmaita | resolution about stable branch EOL and "extended maintenance": https://review.openstack.org/548916 | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | that's just an awareness thing | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: you had couple of late stranglers there now we have plenty of time for them I think | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | looks like it is going to pass (and may have passed already) | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | Not yet, but it is looking close. | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis do you have a one-line summary of the plan? | 14:36 |
| spotz | It's real close if it hadn't mhillman sent an email yesterday to get last comments in | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Maybe a two line summary. :) | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | (or i can summarize and you can correct me) | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis go ahead! | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | The idea is basically that by the time users actually got to a release and were finding issues and more interested in getting fixes in for them, we had already deleted the stable branch. | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | We have a lot of operators still running Mitaka and Newton. | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | We don't have resources to extend upstream support, but in the hopes of attracting folks that would be interested in backporting and testing those older stable branches now that they're more compelled to do so (by their supported customers, etc) we will leave the branches open longer. | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Related to that, there is another patch changing the stable policy to help enable this. | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552733/ Proposed change to stable policy | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i think that going to eliminate Phase III ? | 14:38 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, and potentially phase I depending how things go. | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | IIRC based on the discussions in the Sydney this was some level of "there is enough downstream people interested about this to maintain the branches rather than consuming the upstream team time | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | " | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | So it's not adding much to upstream team load, other than that there was objection to other teams taking over ownership of older stable branches. Some considered that then a fork." | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | ohh | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | I missed that | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | The hope is there would be more downstream involvement, but the upstream teams would still retain some control over things so nothing gets merged that they are not OK with. | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | And stable policy still would need to be followed that fixes go in upstream first, then get backported to older branches. | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | So the older stable branches don't end up being "forks". | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | ok, thanks smcginnis ... anyone interested in how the stable policy is evolving should look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552733/ and leave comments if appropriate | 14:42 |
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| smcginnis | I guess the one line summary is, the plan is to not prevent a place for interested parties to collaborate on supporting these older releases, while not putting undue load on the upstream teams that care about new development. | 14:44 |
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| rosmaita | so about my "second thoughts on OSSN-0075 spec" item ... i was writing up another spec to address OSSN-0076 and ran into some conceptual problems. does anyone have time for a quick meeting tomorrow, 1/2 hour, so i can explain and get some ideas? | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | these are already published ossn's, so i think we can talk in glance channel | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | i just need some more time to get my thoughts in a coherent order | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | i'm ok with brainstorming session tomorrow | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | as long as it's not too late | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | what would be a good time? | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | as tomorrow is apparently Friday :P | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | If I am available at that time then will join as well | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: like before 17:00 utc would be great for me, I'd assume abhishekk would appreciate much earlier :D | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk what would work for you? | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | 17:00 utc will work for me as weel | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | s/weel/well | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i think jokke_ wanted to be done by 17:00 ... how about 16:30 utc? | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | sounds good | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will send an email to the ML in case anyone else wants to join | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok, i have a question about the next glanceclient release | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | the current release is 2.9.1 | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | we have a stable/queens branch | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | so i think we backport the web-download patch jokke_ mentioned earlier (after it's approved into master) into stable/queens, and release 2.9.2 from there? | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | hmm-m good point ... I think we had a bug that needs to be opened :P | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | then the next release from master will be 2.10 ? | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | or 2.10.0 ? | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | is 2.9.1 tagged in the stable branch? | 14:54 |
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| rosmaita | no i think it's in master | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | so stable would be the 2.8.0? | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | need to check that | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-glanceclient/log/?h=stable%2Fqueens | 14:55 |
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| jokke_ | so anyways, yes we will need to release 2.10.0 from master and 2.Y.Z+1 from stable what ever that Y.Z currently is in there | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | it looks like 2.9.1 is in stable/queens ? | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | good so then it would be 2.9.2 in stable | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds good | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | or need to speak with tonyb | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ are you going to file the bug? or want me to? | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | if we can relese 2.10.0 from stable and 2.11.0 from master | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | I can do it | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | That would work. | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | let's continue in glance channel after meeting, i am not clear on the numbering issues | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke_ To open bug that python-glanceclient doesn't support web-download import method | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | definite bug! | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | ok, that's all we have time for | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | thanks foks! | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 15 14:59:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-03-15-14.08.html | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-03-15-14.08.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-03-15-14.08.log.html | 14:59 |
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