Thursday, 2018-02-01

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rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  1 14:01:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:01
rosmaita#topic roll call14:01
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rosmaitahello everyone!14:01
abhishekko/14:01
Brinhello14:01
bhagyashriso/14:01
McClymontSo/14:01
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rosmaitawell, guess we might as well get started14:02
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rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:02
rosmaita#topic updates14:02
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rosmaitaok, after much anguish, Q-3 was released early this week14:03
rosmaitai don't even remember what day, maybe tuesday14:03
rosmaitaanyway, i sent out something to the ML about that14:03
rosmaitathe key thing to keep in mind is that the gate to merge stuff has not gotten any faster14:04
smcginniso/14:04
McClymontSstill up near 24 hrs rosmaita?14:04
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rosmaitai think something got through yesterday in 18 hrs14:04
rosmaitaso maybe it is getting better14:04
McClymontShm still pretty unreasonable14:05
rosmaitayes, i think there will be a lot of discussion at the ptg14:05
smcginnisI know there was one of the cloud providers that gave us a higher quota, but if we actually used them all it was overloading the network.14:06
smcginnisSo they've dropped that down.14:06
rosmaitayeah, there are a lot of moving parts14:06
smcginnisRather than having a higher number running at a time, but slower, we'll have a smaller, faster number.14:06
rosmaitaand improving one thing can degrade other stuff14:06
smcginnisAt least that's the hope I think.14:06
jokke_o/14:07
rosmaitayes, and i should stress that the infra team have been busting their butts14:07
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rosmaitathere were several unfortunate occurrences that messed things up14:07
rosmaitaplus maybe the first time zuul3 was under extreme load conditions14:07
rosmaitaanyway, i have taken the liberty to reach out to the infra team for a "consulting" session at the PTG14:08
rosmaitajust want to go over our actual jobs with them14:08
rosmaitamake sure they're configured correctly14:08
McClymontSgood plan rosmaita, hopefully they can provide some guidance14:08
rosmaitaand maybe see if we can do something better14:08
rosmaitai hope so, have not heard back yet14:09
rosmaitaalso,14:09
rosmaitai took the liberty of reaching out to the keystone team14:09
rosmaitawant a consulting session with them too14:09
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abhishekkgood to have14:09
rosmaitawhere we explain what our problems are (particularly with policies and image locations) and figure out what is available to help us14:09
rosmaitawant to make sure that whatever we want to use isn't planning to be obsoleted or anyghint14:10
rosmaita*anything14:10
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rosmaitai did hear back from lance, they will schedule something with us early in the week, monday or tuesday14:10
rosmaitawith the option to maybe follow up later in the week if necessary14:10
rosmaitai have gone off-topic14:11
rosmaitaanyway, don't forget the ptg planning etherpad:14:11
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-rocky-ptg-planning14:11
rosmaitaok, so with Q-3 out the feature freeze is in effect14:11
rosmaitaand bugfixes at this point should only be release-critical14:12
rosmaitathough, i will interpret that a bit liberally14:12
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rosmaitathere is a FFE request already, we will discuss later14:12
rosmaitathe image import stuff is also automatically FFE'd14:13
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rosmaitai don't think we will be able to remove v1 this cycle, however14:13
rosmaita:(14:13
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rosmaitabut, removing v1 and merging the multihash stuff should be undertaken as soon as possible after stable/queens is cut14:14
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rosmaitawell, let's say14:14
rosmaitamultihash first14:14
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rosmaitaand actually, the glance_store part of multihash can be done as soon as we have reviewer bandwidth14:14
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abhishekksounds good14:15
rosmaitabut i am going off topic again14:15
McClymontSprobably need to review that a bit with someone as the code was finished a while ago14:15
McClymontSmake sure we won't create merge conflicts and the like14:15
rosmaitaMcClymontS makes sense14:15
McClymontSgood news is I have .patch files for both repos so the changes are evident14:15
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rosmaitaon that note, there are some patches that need reviews pronto14:16
rosmaitahttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-quick-reviews14:16
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-quick-reviews14:16
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rosmaitai would ninja them in, but most of them are mine14:16
rosmaitai bring it up now because one of the patches is functional tests in glance_store14:17
rosmaitawe've always had some, but they've always been experimental14:17
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rosmaitaand they still are, but i had to rewrite them a bit to get them to work again14:17
* jokke_ is bit multitasking with another meeting atm.14:17
rosmaitaanyway, abhishekk and jokke_ please check out that etherpad at your earliest convenience14:18
abhishekkrosmaita, ohh I have added one patch in that14:18
McClymontSI will review when I have time as well14:18
rosmaitaabhishekk good!14:18
rosmaitaMcClymontS ty14:18
rosmaitalast update14:19
rosmaitaPTL self-nomination period ends on Wednesday14:19
rosmaitaso far, erno has put up a patch14:19
rosmaitai guess everyone has seen my note on the ML?14:19
rosmaitaa few weeks ago i said that i had the support of my management to be PTL again, which was entierly true14:20
rosmaitai did have support14:20
jokke_will do14:20
rosmaitabut i decided it would be better to let someone else do it for a change14:20
rosmaitabefore i burn out14:20
abhishekkthank you rosmaita for your organized efforts14:20
rosmaitalike i said in the email, i'm going to continue to work on glance14:20
rosmaitabut concentrate on one or two things instead of 1814:20
smcginnisThanks for all your work rosmaita. Better to not get burned out.14:21
rosmaitaabhishekk yw14:21
rosmaitasmcginnis ty14:21
rosmaitayes, we've got a good community and i want to continue working with y'all14:21
rosmaitaok, that's all for the updates14:22
rosmaita#topic Update the error response code in document14:22
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rosmaitaBrin this is you14:22
BrinI am here14:22
rosmaitagreat, tell us something about this14:22
BrinUpdate the error response code in document, consistent with cinder and nova document libraries.(e.g. 400 to badRequest(400))  (Brin Zhang14:22
BrinI think here need to be consistent with cinder, nova api documentation14:23
Brinbecause this way, the user can see a clear http error, rather than an error code, e.g.400,500,50314:23
Brindo you think so?14:23
rosmaitaso you mean just in the documentation?14:23
Brinyes14:24
rosmaitaso can you show an example? here's our docs: https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#images14:24
rosmaitamaybe this is better: https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#create-an-image14:25
smcginnisHere is an example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527345/3/api-ref/source/v2/qos-specs-v2-qos-specs.inc14:25
BrinYou can fllow this link :https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#create-image-member14:25
smcginnisMy personal opinion for Cinder was the codes were mostly fine, but if someone wants to maintain the string representations, that may make it a little easier for some.14:26
BrinI don't know what is the Error response codes: 400, 401, 403, 404, 409, 41314:26
smcginnisSo kind of a "meh, why not" in the end. :)14:26
rosmaitai remember working on a table for these back when anne gentle was docs ptl14:26
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rosmaitai eventually abandoned it14:26
rosmaitaanyway, my only concern is, is there a table somewhere of the "official" strings?14:27
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rosmaitaand why is "Request Entity Too Large(413)" not all one word like the others?14:28
rosmaitain other words, i don't object to making the docs more clear, i just don't want a lot of churn14:28
rosmaitai.e., fix it and then re-fix it14:28
rosmaitaon the other hand, doc churn is not like code churn14:28
rosmaitaso what the heck14:28
BrinI think this is better for users who read api14:28
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BrinInstead of just seeing a single figure14:29
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rosmaitathis is the table thing i was talking about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349551/14:30
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jokke_ok .. what did I miss14:31
smcginnisHah, line 66. :)14:31
Brinrosmaita: yeah, I think it good.14:31
rosmaitai forget why we never followed up with that14:31
rosmaitaother than it being a bit of work14:32
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rosmaitaanyway, i personally have no objection if someone wants to update the docs as Brin suggests14:32
rosmaitaBrin are you interested in doing this, or is your aim to nudge projects to do this themselves?14:33
BrinFor future development, I think this is something to do14:34
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BrinI am willing to take the time to try this thing14:34
rosmaitaOK, sounds good14:35
jokke_so just finished with backlog14:35
BrinThis should be done on the premise that everyone thinks it needs to be done14:35
rosmaitaOK14:35
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Brinok14:35
jokke_I'm not sure if that's worth of the time14:35
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rosmaitawell, not our time14:36
rosmaitabut if someone new wants to take it on, what the heck14:36
jokke_the API ref is for developers who are interacting directly with the API14:36
rosmaitathe numbers have well-defined text to go with them14:36
BrinThis is not a problem, given the time allowed :)14:36
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rosmaitaso it's not like we'll have to review really carefully14:36
jokke_I think the list of codes that doc has atm. is really quick to scan through what to expect14:36
jokke_and when you're developing REST client, you gotta either have cheatsheet or you know these14:37
rosmaitaok, tell you what14:37
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rosmaitathis would be a good topic for a spec-lite14:37
BrinSince you say that, it is not necessary14:37
jokke_our clients does spell them out14:37
jokke_for endusers14:37
BrinCan proceed to the next topic14:37
jokke_instead of throwing just a code14:37
rosmaitaok, so opinion is mixed14:38
jokke_so just wondering what the value is and if we spell them out, please make sure they do not become unreadable14:38
Brinyeah14:38
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jokke_like one per line or something that is quick to look through14:38
rosmaitathat's the advantage of the rest_status_code table structure14:38
rosmaitaBrin why don't you look into that and follow up with us?14:38
jokke_++14:39
rosmaita#topic FFE request for --check feature14:39
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rosmaitahere's the info:14:39
rosmaita#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/untargeted/glance/lite-spec-db-sync-check.html14:39
rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455837/8/14:39
BrinPerhaps I ignored this point, after the meeting I will conduct in-depth research14:40
Brinthank you.14:40
rosmaitathanks, Brin14:40
rosmaitaok, key point here is (1) it's a spec lite, and (2) it's already been coded14:40
rosmaitaand it will be very useful for operators14:40
rosmaitaso i am inclined to grant an FFE14:40
bhagyashris__yeah14:41
kairat+114:41
abhishekk+114:41
smcginnisLooks low risk with some benefit.14:41
ShilpaSDthnaks brin and rosmaita14:41
rosmaitaok, cool, sounds like FFE should be granted14:41
rosmaitathat was easy!14:41
jokke_I think that is crucial with our EMC approach that the operators have tools to verify on which stage they are ... defo +2 for that14:41
Brinthanks.14:41
rosmaita#topic policy-in-code community goal14:41
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rosmaitahttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126827.html14:42
bhagyashris__thank you :)14:42
rosmaitaok, so lance sent out an email wondering what's up with our status14:42
rosmaitai haven't responded yet14:42
rosmaitabecause as far as i;m concerned, it's very low14:42
rosmaitapriority, that is14:42
rosmaitatwo things:14:42
rosmaitayou need a policy file to effectively use property protections14:43
rosmaitathese changes don't touch that at all14:43
jokke_and they really cant14:43
rosmaitabasically, i am going to reply that we're not doing it this cycle and i can take the heat for that as Queens PTL14:43
rosmaitaplus, we have the policy changes we want to make14:44
rosmaitaso i don't see the point in doing this right now14:44
abhishekkagree14:44
rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528021/14:45
jokke_yeah, we definitely should catch up with Lance in PTG and walk through where this is going to impact us14:45
rosmaita^^ that's what i mean by "policy changes"14:45
jokke_and why this hasn't been done14:45
rosmaitajokke_ i will make sure i say that in my response to the ML14:45
jokke_I think it's easier to walk through in person than trying to put into an email14:45
rosmaitayes, the email will just say (1) not doing it in queens, and (2) let's discuss in person in Dublin14:46
jokke_Glance policies are unfortunately complex af atm14:46
jokke_rosmaita: sounds good14:46
kairatdon't see how it affect property protections, maybe i missed something, it just change defaults from policy files to code14:46
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rosmaitakairat it makes them asymmetrical14:46
kairat we also better get rid of policy layer14:47
jokke_kairat: it will not achieve it's goals as property protections are relying on that file anyways14:47
kairatif possible=)14:47
rosmaitakairat exactly, i think the layer riddance should be done first14:47
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jokke_++14:47
rosmaitaok, that's everything on the agenda14:48
abhishekk++14:48
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:48
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smcginnisDid we ever figure out the system package upgrade that was causing the services to fail to start with the functional tests?14:48
rosmaitasmcginnis yes, erno put up a patch, it has merged14:48
smcginnisAwesome.14:49
rosmaitait was an eventlet problem14:49
jokke_ok if anyone missed it, I threw my name into the hat for PTL after lengthy discussions with various people including Brian14:49
smcginnisWe may need that backported. I saw some stable-maint checks failing.14:49
rosmaitafixed in eventlet 0.22, but we are u-c at 0.2014:49
smcginnishttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2018-February/007232.html14:49
smcginnisNot sure if it's the same thing or not, but that will have to be sorted before any stable releases can be done most likely.14:49
smcginnisjokke_: +1!14:50
jokke_there is still time until tomorrow to nominate yourselves, otherwise you'll get me as default :P14:50
rosmaitaactually, the deadline is wednesday!14:50
abhishekkjokke_, +214:50
rosmaitaand jokke_ thank you for stepping up14:50
jokke_rosmaita: oh, cool14:50
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rosmaitathey monkeyed with the schedule this cycle, not sure why14:51
jokke_so this is as much for me as for the community like I lined out in my nomination. I've been past couple of cycles all over the place and done half good job everywhere burning myself out as well14:51
rosmaitasmcginnis i guess they run those stable-maint jobs with the updated images?14:51
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jokke_so I need to focus more what I do and this is clear indication where I need to put my focus in14:51
smcginnisrosmaita: I believe so.14:51
rosmaitayeah, then they are all broken14:52
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rosmaitai'll put up a patch cherry-picking the change into stable/pike and stable/ocata14:53
smcginnis++14:53
jokke_so one thing I can promise ye all. If you'll take me as PTL, I won't be writing the next big feature we want to implement in Glance during my term, but I'll do everything I can to enable you guys do it ;)14:53
rosmaita#action rosmaita patch stable/pike and stable/ocata14:54
rosmaitajokke_ ++14:54
abhishekk:D14:54
jokke_rosmaita: and thanks once more for your great work, support and mentoring14:54
rosmaitaglad to be of service :)14:55
rosmaitaok, anything else?14:55
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jokke_copy from14:55
rosmaitayes, so that has a FFE14:55
rosmaitaas part of image import14:55
jokke_are you guys ok still pushing that in for the release?14:55
rosmaitai definitely am14:55
jokke_cool ... just wanted to bring it up in public if anyone has heavy objections14:56
abhishekk+114:56
jokke_at this point14:56
rosmaitabecause it will mean we can remove v1 at beginning of rocky14:56
jokke_yes14:56
rosmaitaotherwise, we'll be in same position we are now14:56
jokke_and were last cycle14:56
rosmaitaso I am gung-ho on image import copy-from14:56
rosmaitaand the cycle before that14:56
rosmaita:)14:56
abhishekkjokke_, kindly review https://review.openstack.org/523366 when you get time14:57
jokke_abhishekk: will do14:58
abhishekkjokke_, thanks14:58
rosmaitaok, i guess that's all for this week ... thanks, everyone!14:59
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jokke_abhishekk: sorry, have slipped from me14:59
McClymontSThanks all14:59
jokke_Thanks all!14:59
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abhishekkjokke_, no issues14:59
abhishekkthank you all !!!14:59
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
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rosmaitahow's that for timing?15:00
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smcginnis:)15:00
sjmc7#startmeeting openstack search15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  1 15:01:59 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:02
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sjmc7morning all15:02
rosmaitao/15:02
lei-zho/15:02
sjmc7thanks for the help last week with the tests, rosmaita !15:03
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rosmaitanp15:03
sjmc7i don’t have too much this week (surprise!). i cut the q-3 release last week, eventually15:05
sjmc7after a last minute eventlet hiccup15:05
rosmaitai wound up having to cut glance q-3 at a point 2 weeks in the past15:05
sjmc7threw the toys out of the pram?15:06
rosmaitayeah, basically15:06
rosmaitaeverything i needed didn't merge until yesterday15:07
sjmc7yeah, everything seemed to be ok until beginning of last week15:08
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sjmc7there were some rumblings about not having client tags for releases.. i don’t typically do it since we haven’t really touched the client code15:08
sjmc7apparently that is incorrect, so might have to figure something out there15:09
sjmc7yay for stable APIs15:09
rosmaita:)15:09
sjmc7the only other thing was the PTL election15:11
sjmc7i can continue to be caretaker, but i’m more than happy if someone else wants to play a more active role15:11
rosmaitait will be good if you don't mind caretaking15:13
sjmc7i’m not sure where we’ll be in the next couple of cycles (big tent conversations and such)15:13
rosmaitai think with no ptl, searchlight would go from maintenance mode to deactivated (or something like that)15:13
sjmc7yeah. and we are actually using it a lot internally15:13
sjmc7but aside from bugfixes it’s got most of what we need already so we’re not doing much active development15:14
sjmc7i actually might write up the multi-region setup we use sometime. ok, so i’ll put up a nomination15:15
rosmaitai'm going to see if oath (former yahoo) is interested15:15
rosmaitathey are part of verizon now (but not the part i work for)15:15
lei-zhI think it's ok for just bugfixes, until there are people showing interests working on the project15:15
rosmaitalei-zh ++15:15
sjmc7yeah. as long as there’s not too much paper pushing (like fixing the tests last week)15:15
rosmaitayeah, that was a kick in the butt15:16
sjmc7i am very glad we did those functional tests15:16
rosmaitajust fyi, this cycle glance split out the functional tests from the unit tests15:17
rosmaitait's just a change to tox.ini, really15:17
rosmaitathe test code stayed exactly the same15:17
sjmc7ours only run if elasticsearch is on PATH15:17
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rosmaitaoh yeah15:17
sjmc7so you can toggle them that way15:17
TravTo/15:17
sjmc7you run two jobs i zuul?15:18
rosmaita\o15:18
sjmc7morning TravT15:18
rosmaitayes15:18
rosmaitaactually 2 more, functional-py27 and functional-py3515:18
sjmc7o la la15:19
sjmc7ok, so i will put up a self nomination so we still have a PTL15:20
TravTthanks for volunteering again!15:21
lei-zh+115:21
sjmc7in terms of rocky goals, it looks like the program-wide ones we mostly already do (pagination and something else i forgot)15:21
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sjmc7ok, i didn’t have much else15:23
lei-zhthanks for your contribution sjmc7 : )15:24
sjmc7no worries! it was fun getting back into it again last week again, briefly15:24
sjmc7i’d forgotten how many moving parts there were :)15:24
sjmc7ok, unless anyone has anything else, i’ll call it here15:25
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TravTthanks!15:27
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rosmaitasjmc7 just a heads up15:29
rosmaitadont' know if this affects you15:29
sjmc7uh oh15:29
rosmaitabut i have to backport that eventlet fix to stable/pike and stable/ocata15:29
rosmaitaour stable-maint tests are failing15:29
rosmaitadont' know if that applies to searchlight or not15:30
sjmc7oh, because ubuntu got upgraded for those too15:30
sjmc7ok, i’ll take a look, thanks for the pointer15:30
sjmc7alright, thanks folks, have a good weekend15:31
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rosmaitabye!15:32
sjmc7#endmeeting15:32
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