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lihi | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 08:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 22 08:01:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lihi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 08:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 08:01 |
lihi | Who's here for the weekly? | 08:02 |
snapiri | I'm here :) | 08:03 |
irenab | hi | 08:03 |
lihi | I'm borrowing oanson's chair today | 08:03 |
snapiri | careful, it is high... :P | 08:03 |
lihi | #topic Roadmap | 08:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 08:04 | |
lihi | Since we removed LBaaS and L3 flavor from Queens roadmap, the list is pretty short | 08:04 |
lihi | DNS >> | 08:04 |
lihi | #link DNS spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527956/ | 08:05 |
lihi | Waiting for reviews on the spec. Comments welcome :) | 08:05 |
irenab | lihi, will review asap | 08:05 |
lihi | Thanks :) | 08:05 |
lihi | Migration >> | 08:06 |
lihi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500647 | 08:06 |
lihi | Looks like the spec is pretty close for being ready. | 08:06 |
snapiri | I think it is only waiting for some agreement between oanson and irenab | 08:07 |
lihi | Yes, with the script_id field | 08:07 |
irenab | I had one comment that would like to hear other opinions, mostly related to compatibility | 08:07 |
snapiri | I believe that if this will be resolved, it would be accepted | 08:07 |
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snapiri | it is important to push this one forward | 08:07 |
snapiri | as there is a long chain depending on it | 08:08 |
lihi | I'll read it again after the meeting, and will express my opinion | 08:08 |
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irenab | thanks | 08:08 |
lihi | Deployment >> | 08:09 |
lihi | I don't know what's oanson status with RDO :( | 08:09 |
lihi | OSA: I'm having issues with finding a redis ansible role that will work with Dragonflow, as we need clustering support :( | 08:10 |
lihi | But I hope that I'll managed to find one working soon | 08:10 |
snapiri | lihi: I am done with skydive for now, I will try to help | 08:11 |
irenab | lihi, anything you want to discuss now? | 08:11 |
lihi | snapiri, thanks :) | 08:11 |
irenab | snapiri, can you update on skydive? | 08:11 |
snapiri | I have just sent them some updates for their client code | 08:12 |
snapiri | Fixed some issues, Python2.x compatibility and usability | 08:12 |
irenab | what about the poc that oanson and dimak started? | 08:12 |
snapiri | We also rewrote some of the agent on our side | 08:12 |
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irenab | snapiri, do you have the link to the patch on dragonflow side? | 08:13 |
snapiri | but more work is needed there. I believe I can do it on low flame until they will accept our changed | 08:13 |
snapiri | s/changed/changes/ | 08:13 |
irenab | snapiri, df code is pushed to skydive code base? | 08:13 |
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snapiri | no, but they wrote a client so we can use proper API and not hacked one | 08:14 |
irenab | cool | 08:14 |
snapiri | so we reviewed their code and sent them comments | 08:14 |
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snapiri | I will rewrite Dimak and Oanson code later on | 08:15 |
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snapiri | it needs some work :) but we also need to think what we want in the final design | 08:15 |
irenab | snapiri, +1 | 08:16 |
lihi | irenab, regarding osa: most of the ansible-redis roles that I've found don't support regular redis clustering (it support sentinel clustering). The problem with it that it use different API than the redis-clustering API | 08:16 |
irenab | so for now the poc is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518670/? | 08:16 |
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lihi | Other roles didn't worked with the lxc-containers osa create (it have read only file system that preventing the role from configuring) | 08:16 |
irenab | lihi, so the alternative can be to define (add) new ansible-redis role? | 08:17 |
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snapiri | irenab: yes, but it is currently not working | 08:17 |
irenab | snapiri, thank you for sharing the status | 08:18 |
snapiri | if you use the new skydive codebase, they did quite a few modifications | 08:18 |
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lihi | irenab, yes, but I still want to search to see if someone have already created one for us. People must be using redis-clustering with ansible *fingers crossed* | 08:18 |
snapiri | irenab: I believe adding a new role will not be as easy as it seems, there might be a reason lihi can not find one... :) | 08:19 |
irenab | lihi, sure, seems reasonable | 08:19 |
lihi | Anything else for roadmap? | 08:19 |
lihi | #topic Bugs | 08:20 |
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irenab | lihi, maybe only the new proposal for the distributed lock that came up recently | 08:21 |
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irenab | worhth that people will check and comment | 08:21 |
lihi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533711/ | 08:21 |
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lihi | #link Distributed lock spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533711/ | 08:22 |
irenab | I guess we can discuss it later on the channel once more people can join the discussion | 08:22 |
lihi | Yeah, it is also waiting for reviews | 08:22 |
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lihi | Yes, we want to push it forwards | 08:23 |
lihi | Since we are close for Queens end, we should starting working on high-priority bugs. Hopefully next week we'll have more to report in this section of the meeting | 08:25 |
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lihi | Anything else for bugs? | 08:26 |
irenab | nope | 08:26 |
snapiri | There is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/1744558 | 08:26 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1744558 in DragonFlow "Main thread does not exit when there is pubsub subscriber" [Undecided,New] | 08:26 |
snapiri | I have reviewed the code and it seems ok | 08:26 |
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lihi | Does it happen only for the etcd pubsub? | 08:27 |
snapiri | will debug it and see what I can make of it | 08:27 |
snapiri | lihi: not sure | 08:27 |
snapiri | this is the only one I tested | 08:27 |
lihi | If yes, the problem may be in the etcd3gw client we use | 08:27 |
lihi | (or in the pubsub code :)) | 08:28 |
snapiri | I will investigate | 08:28 |
irenab | snapiri, can you please give short overview of the issue? | 08:28 |
lihi | Let me know if you want any help. I know this part well :) | 08:28 |
snapiri | irenab: I wrote a mall app that uses nb_api. the program never exits | 08:29 |
snapiri | it seems like it is stuck in some sleep in some loop | 08:29 |
irenab | nb_api? | 08:29 |
snapiri | when I disabled the pubsub, everything was fine | 08:29 |
snapiri | irenab: yes | 08:29 |
snapiri | lihi: thanks, might use it :) | 08:30 |
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snapiri | I believe this concludes the bugs? | 08:31 |
lihi | Yeah | 08:31 |
lihi | #topic Open Discussion | 08:31 |
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lihi | The floor is for the taking | 08:32 |
irenab | nothing from my side | 08:32 |
irenab | maybe just short announcment | 08:32 |
irenab | the CFP for the OpenStack summit is open | 08:33 |
irenab | so anyone who wants to submit some topic, it is open till Feb 8 | 08:33 |
irenab | nothing more from my side | 08:34 |
lihi | Ok, we should start working on some abstracts | 08:34 |
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lihi | Anything else? | 08:35 |
lihi | Thanks you for coming :) | 08:35 |
lihi | #endmeeting | 08:35 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 22 08:35:59 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2018/dragonflow.2018-01-22-08.01.html | 08:36 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2018/dragonflow.2018-01-22-08.01.txt | 08:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2018/dragonflow.2018-01-22-08.01.log.html | 08:36 |
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dmellado | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 22 14:04:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dmellado. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:04 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:04 |
dmellado | o/ Hi everyone, who's here online today? ;) | 14:04 |
irenab | hi | 14:05 |
dmellado | #chair irenab | 14:05 |
openstack | Current chairs: dmellado irenab | 14:05 |
dmellado | ltomasbo: dulek juriarte gcheresh? | 14:06 |
irenab | dmellado, do you know of any holidays that people are not here? | 14:06 |
dmellado | irenab: not really holidays that I know | 14:06 |
dmellado | some preparations for devconf.cz presentation, but besides that | 14:06 |
dmellado | nothing that I'm aware of | 14:06 |
irenab | leyal, joining? | 14:06 |
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dmellado | just gave a shot internally, let's see | 14:07 |
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dmellado | let's try to start | 14:08 |
irenab | ok | 14:08 |
dmellado | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:08 |
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yboaron_ | Hi | 14:08 |
dmellado | hi yboaron_ | 14:08 |
dmellado | #chair yboaron_ | 14:08 |
openstack | Current chairs: dmellado irenab yboaron_ | 14:08 |
dmellado | anything to discuss on kuryr-kubernetes? | 14:08 |
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irenab | patch for the net policy is up for review | 14:08 |
dmellado | great, the slides and presentation were really useful | 14:09 |
irenab | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530655/ | 14:09 |
yboaron_ | irenab, I'll review it ASAP | 14:09 |
irenab | yboaron_, thanks! leyal is about to add tests, but the overal direction is there | 14:09 |
yboaron_ | irenab, cool! | 14:10 |
dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kuryr-kubernetes+status:open | 14:10 |
dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kuryr-kubernetes+status:open+topic:bp/k8s-network-policies | 14:11 |
dmellado | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kuryr-kubernetes+status:open+topic:bp/k8s-network-policies | 14:11 |
dmellado | yboaron_: ^^ | 14:11 |
irenab | there are sr-iov and multi-vif related patches, but zuul is with -1 | 14:11 |
dmellado | I'll also try to spend some time on reviewing those | 14:11 |
dmellado | on that, we just approved a patch for renaming the gates in concordance with new infra politics | 14:12 |
dmellado | just FYI | 14:12 |
irenab | I think -1 should be resolved first | 14:12 |
irenab | dmellado, seems it was merged | 14:12 |
dmellado | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536165/ | 14:12 |
dmellado | yeah, it's merged | 14:12 |
dmellado | so I'd recheck those patches | 14:12 |
irenab | dmellado, thanks | 14:13 |
dmellado | there were also a few patches from danil golov | 14:14 |
dmellado | he's picking up work from multi-vif and sriov | 14:14 |
dmellado | I guess you referred to them, irenab | 14:14 |
irenab | dmellado, yes | 14:14 |
dmellado | basically the patches need to be adapted to daemonized kuryr | 14:14 |
dmellado | should be fine once they fix that | 14:14 |
dmellado | on the testing side, gcheresh was kind enough to put up a gate and tests for port pools | 14:15 |
dmellado | seems his patches are in merge conflict but I saw those tests running locally | 14:15 |
dmellado | so should be about to work | 14:15 |
irenab | dmellado, sounds great | 14:16 |
irenab | do you have a link? | 14:16 |
dmellado | irenab: sure | 14:16 |
dmellado | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530728/ | 14:16 |
irenab | thanks | 14:17 |
dmellado | should we move to the next topic? | 14:17 |
irenab | yboaron_, any updates/requests on your side? | 14:17 |
yboaron_ | Yes , | 14:17 |
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yboaron_ | I'm struggling with devstack octavia and Router support . for router support we should create loadbalancer | 14:18 |
yboaron_ | if ingress control is enabled | 14:18 |
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yboaron_ | but in devstack environment there's kind of race between kuryr-controller service and octavia | 14:18 |
dmellado | yboaron_: did you get to speak with johnsonm | 14:19 |
dmellado | ? | 14:19 |
yboaron_ | dmellado, spoke with nmagenzi | 14:19 |
irenab | what kind of race? | 14:19 |
yboaron_ | dmellado, kuryr-controller calls to octavia services before octavia is ready , no exception | 14:20 |
yboaron_ | but octavia worker failed | 14:20 |
dmellado | yboaron_: pls ping johnsom as well on openstack-lbaas | 14:20 |
dmellado | johnsom: ^^ | 14:20 |
yboaron_ | dmellado, will do it | 14:20 |
yboaron_ | dmellado, 10x | 14:20 |
dmellado | thanks yboaron_! | 14:20 |
irenab | yboaron_, interesting, maybe it should be gated before k8s controller moves to active | 14:21 |
irenab | readiness probe | 14:21 |
dmellado | we can put up a gate in experimental for checking | 14:21 |
irenab | or for the dev environment, it can be resolved at devstack level | 14:21 |
yboaron_ | yes , but the issue that there is no API for checking octavia readinees with LBAASV2/octavia | 14:21 |
dmellado | yboaron_: I'll be somehow busy this week but will have that read y next one for you | 14:21 |
dmellado | so at least you can modify the experimental gate for your testing | 14:22 |
irenab | yboaron_, no services status? | 14:22 |
irenab | yboaron_, sounds basic requirement to check services health | 14:22 |
yboaron_ | service is up and everything looks OK , but loadbalancer creatin returns ERROR | 14:23 |
yboaron_ | creation | 14:23 |
irenab | yboaron_, I see, so more complicated issue on octavia side | 14:23 |
yboaron_ | load balancer provision status , I tried to play with order of plugin in local conf , helped partially | 14:23 |
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dmellado | yboaron_: I see | 14:24 |
yboaron_ | irenab, yes , I'll contact octavia experts | 14:24 |
dmellado | did you try to put up some kind of wait or while in the devstack plugin? | 14:24 |
yboaron_ | dmellado, Yes | 14:24 |
dmellado | didn't help, I assume | 14:25 |
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yboaron_ | That's correct | 14:25 |
irenab | yboaron_, interesting issue, ping me on the channel if I can help somehow | 14:25 |
dmellado | ack, let's contact octavia folks | 14:25 |
dmellado | and see if we can get this sorted out | 14:25 |
dmellado | same here yboaron_ | 14:25 |
yboaron_ | irenab, thanks ! | 14:25 |
yboaron_ | dmellado, thanks!! | 14:26 |
yboaron_ | that's it from my side | 14:26 |
irenab | dmellado, maybe worth to mention about the ptg etherpad | 14:26 |
dmellado | irenab: I was going to do so at the end of the meeting | 14:26 |
dmellado | but now that you pointed it out, yeah! | 14:26 |
irenab | I assumed we already there :-) | 14:26 |
dmellado | I put out an etherpad for the upcoming kuryr session on the PTG | 14:27 |
dmellado | so please, in order to help us out in terms of space and rooms | 14:27 |
dmellado | please do let us know if you're planning to attend and if there's any topic you might want to tackle | 14:27 |
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irenab | dmellado, I guess we will try to enable remote participation, right? | 14:27 |
dmellado | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kuryr-ptg-rocky | 14:28 |
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dmellado | irenab: yeah, I do plan to carry an speakerphone | 14:28 |
dmellado | and will record the sessions on bluejeans, just in case there's someone not being able to attend | 14:28 |
irenab | great | 14:28 |
dmellado | as well as live participation | 14:28 |
kaliya | thanks | 14:28 |
dmellado | hopefully this time there will be no train disturbing us xD | 14:29 |
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dmellado | I was going to switch the topic to kuryr-libnetwork | 14:29 |
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irenab | sure | 14:29 |
dmellado | but I guess it'll be faster to just call it out to "another topics" | 14:29 |
dmellado | and check if there's something else you'd like to discuss | 14:29 |
irenab | actually there is a request regarding libnetwork | 14:29 |
irenab | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg114930.html | 14:30 |
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dmellado | #topic kuryr-libnetwork | 14:30 |
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irenab | please check this #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg114930.html | 14:30 |
dmellado | oh, didn't see it but fully agree | 14:31 |
dmellado | we can just create out a branch | 14:31 |
dmellado | plus will handle rdo stuff | 14:31 |
irenab | dmellado, please vote on the mail thread and see if Toni is in agreement | 14:31 |
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dmellado | #action (dmellado) vote on mail thread and get lazy ptl to create branch for kuryr-libnetwork | 14:32 |
dmellado | xD | 14:32 |
irenab | no more issues on libnetwork | 14:33 |
dmellado | #topic open discussion | 14:33 |
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dmellado | all right, so besides this, we already spoke about the upcoming PTG | 14:33 |
dmellado | as of now, we do have a 10ppl room from Tue to Fri | 14:33 |
dmellado | (thanks Irena!) | 14:33 |
dmellado | so please, again, if you plan to attend, let us know or you'll have to cope up with a crowded room! | 14:34 |
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dmellado | kaliya: if you plan to attend, even remote | 14:34 |
dmellado | please do put that on the etherpad as well | 14:34 |
dmellado | I'll be adding a remote attendee section | 14:35 |
kaliya | Sure dmellado I will | 14:35 |
dmellado | thanks! | 14:36 |
dmellado | so I guess will be calling it a day for now | 14:36 |
irenab | +1 | 14:36 |
dmellado | thanks everyone for attending! | 14:36 |
dmellado | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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jamespage | o/ | 17:00 |
thedac | o/ | 17:00 |
jamespage | I think I am up to chair - I did the last odd meeting, not the even | 17:01 |
thedac | seconded :) | 17:01 |
jamespage | #startmeeting charms | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 22 17:01:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:01 |
jamespage | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:01 |
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jamespage | all fix critical and high priority bugs - 56 open high - currently all critical are fix committed! - ONGOING | 17:01 |
jamespage | hmm lets peek | 17:02 |
jamespage | high bugs has gone up to 69 | 17:02 |
jamespage | 2 crits open | 17:02 |
thedac | I'll do some bug work today. | 17:02 |
jamespage | the two crits are | 17:03 |
jamespage | bug 1742115 | 17:03 |
openstack | bug 1742115 in OpenStack nova-cloud-controller charm "Upgrade to pike failed with hanging config-changed hook" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742115 - Assigned to Liam Young (gnuoy) | 17:03 |
jamespage | and | 17:03 |
jamespage | bug 1743847 | 17:03 |
openstack | bug 1743847 in OpenStack swift-proxy charm "openstack_upgrade_available() broken for swift" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743847 - Assigned to Edward Hope-Morley (hopem) | 17:03 |
jamespage | thedac: we should pick the ch fix for bug 1743847 into the misc-stable-fixes branch we're working on | 17:04 |
thedac | ok | 17:04 |
jamespage | jamespage - update the release policy again | 17:05 |
jamespage | I think that's done | 17:05 |
jamespage | thedac designate neutron integration blog post on how to use | 17:05 |
jamespage | thedac: any timeline on that one? | 17:05 |
thedac | Need to carry that over. :| | 17:05 |
jamespage | #action thedac designate neutron integration blog post on how to use | 17:05 |
thedac | I'll try and get to that this week | 17:05 |
jamespage | ta | 17:05 |
jamespage | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 17:06 |
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jamespage | OK ies... | 17:06 |
jamespage | I reviewed a couple of specs earlier today - Cells v2 and Keystone federation backends. | 17:06 |
jamespage | other than that - we're about 1 month of freeze for the queens release, so features need to land soon please! | 17:07 |
jamespage | #topic High Priority Bugs | 17:07 |
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jamespage | Critical bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs | 17:07 |
jamespage | already talked about those | 17:07 |
jamespage | High priority bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority | 17:07 |
jamespage | and those - good to get somefocus of any priority ones as we move towards 18.02 | 17:08 |
jamespage | anyway moving one | 17:08 |
jamespage | #topic Openstack Events | 17:08 |
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jamespage | PTG is at the end of Feb; I'll be sending out a pad for planning this week | 17:09 |
jamespage | #action jamespage create planning pad and send to ML | 17:09 |
jamespage | currently discussing scheduling of our dedicated team room; hopefully will be wed/thurs | 17:09 |
jamespage | however I won't be there beyond tues so I'll need to delegate ops to someone else | 17:10 |
* jamespage looks at gnuoy | 17:10 | |
jamespage | anything else? | 17:10 |
thedac | none from me | 17:10 |
jamespage | #topic Open Discussion | 17:10 |
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jamespage | ... | 17:10 |
jamespage | .. | 17:10 |
jamespage | . | 17:10 |
jamespage | ok | 17:10 |
jamespage | #topic Next Chair | 17:11 |
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jamespage | gnuoy wins! | 17:11 |
jamespage | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
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thedac | thanks, jamespage | 17:11 |
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