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apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:04 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 15 14:04:21 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:04 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:04 |
apuimedo | Hi and welcome everybody | 14:04 |
apuimedo | who's here for the kuryr meeting? | 14:04 |
leyal | Hi | 14:04 |
danil | hi | 14:04 |
kaliya | Hi apuimedo, * | 14:05 |
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yboaron | hi | 14:05 |
irenab | hi | 14:05 |
irenab | apuimedo, I have some conflicting meeting, apologize in advance for low participation | 14:05 |
apuimedo | irenab: ok | 14:05 |
apuimedo | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-kubernetes (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:05 | |
apuimedo | #info There was a very interesting video meeting today about network policy | 14:06 |
apuimedo | thanks for that leyal | 14:06 |
apuimedo | and now | 14:07 |
apuimedo | the biggest topic | 14:07 |
apuimedo | #info os-vif 1.8.0 was released | 14:07 |
leyal | apuimedo, thanks , and thanks to all participate :) | 14:07 |
apuimedo | it does two things that break us | 14:07 |
apuimedo | 1) It decided to drop ips from subnet and move them to vifs, which makes sense, but it probably should have been a major release | 14:08 |
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apuimedo | this breaks our controller code that generates the os-vif object | 14:08 |
apuimedo | 2) They break the ovs loading we do for the CNI binary | 14:08 |
apuimedo | by having some clever code that detects when you try to load the module from an import callstack that does not include os-vif | 14:09 |
yboaron | apuimedo, can you elaborate abour ovs loading ? why do need that ? | 14:09 |
apuimedo | Personally I am inclined to get rid of os-vif | 14:10 |
apuimedo | (that would need doing our own ovo | 14:10 |
apuimedo | and adding hybrid bridge binding support | 14:11 |
apuimedo | yboaron: honestly I do not remember why we load it in main | 14:11 |
apuimedo | it may be related to building the binary or a limitation with pyinstaller | 14:11 |
irenab | apuimedo, shouldn't os-vif be backward compatible? | 14:12 |
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apuimedo | irenab: that's what I thought | 14:13 |
apuimedo | but if I didn't misunderstand the code | 14:13 |
apuimedo | which I may | 14:13 |
apuimedo | the controller should be fixed for the new os-vif objects | 14:13 |
apuimedo | which I started doing on Friday night | 14:13 |
apuimedo | and the receiving end should be able to leverage the bc | 14:13 |
apuimedo | by asking for the old version of the object | 14:14 |
apuimedo | however... | 14:14 |
apuimedo | I did not find code in os-vif that translates to the old version | 14:14 |
apuimedo | so I have my doubts that it will work | 14:14 |
apuimedo | unless there is some magic I missed | 14:14 |
apuimedo | dulek: how well versed are you with OVO? | 14:16 |
apuimedo | IIRC it was used heavily in cinder | 14:16 |
dulek | apuimedo: Pretty okay. :) | 14:17 |
dulek | apuimedo: I'll take a look for compatibility code. | 14:17 |
apuimedo | dulek: could you take a quick look when you have a bit of time to see if the conversion of the ovo in the cni side will work | 14:17 |
apuimedo | i.e., create a vif OVO in the new form, serialize it | 14:18 |
* dulek pulls the newest repo. | 14:18 | |
apuimedo | and try to see if it can be made back into a primitive of the 1.0 version that cni expects | 14:18 |
irenab | apuimedo,so currently kuryr code is broken sich os-vif requirement was updated? | 14:19 |
apuimedo | irenab: yes, our requirements point to >= 1.7 | 14:19 |
apuimedo | and 1.8 breaks us hard | 14:19 |
apuimedo | like really herd | 14:19 |
apuimedo | *hard | 14:19 |
dulek | apuimedo: There's no make_compatible method, so it cannot be backported by the object itself. | 14:20 |
dulek | Which is very frustrating, because what is the point of using o.vo then? | 14:20 |
apuimedo | dulek: that's what I thought | 14:21 |
apuimedo | that's plain useless | 14:21 |
apuimedo | xD | 14:21 |
apuimedo | honestly I got very mad when I saw that | 14:21 |
apuimedo | my WTF per minute increaased a lot between 12 and 3am last Fri | 14:21 |
apuimedo | xD | 14:21 |
apuimedo | so, what do you all think? | 14:22 |
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yboaron | apuimedo, u need to be in bed at 3 AM :-) | 14:22 |
dulek | I understand their explanation from the commit message. Though they've assumed that Nova and Neutron are the only consumers. | 14:22 |
apuimedo | do we file a bug on the lack of make_compatible and push the community for a 1.8.1 release | 14:22 |
apuimedo | yboaron: I wish, but I can't stand it when I don't know why things don't work | 14:22 |
apuimedo | or do we just make our own smalled ovo for vifs? | 14:23 |
dulek | apuimedo: I just wonder if make_compatible can work in a cross-object manner. | 14:23 |
apuimedo | dulek: I had told them that we used it back in atlanta | 14:23 |
apuimedo | dulek: why shouldn't it? | 14:23 |
apuimedo | I'm honestly asking | 14:23 |
irenab | apuimedo, what are the benefits to keep using os-vif? | 14:24 |
dulek | apuimedo: I mean data is moved between objects. If no ips field is provided for Subnet, then it would be hard to magically get the field value in make_compatible. | 14:24 |
apuimedo | irenab: to be able to use their ovs hybrid firewall driver | 14:25 |
apuimedo | and admittedly, now that they moved to pyroute2, the perf will be less bad | 14:26 |
apuimedo | dulek: shouldn't make compatible know about the needs to move it from vif.fixed_ips to vif.subnet.ips ? | 14:26 |
apuimedo | irenab: getting rid of it is a bit more work | 14:27 |
apuimedo | but has two advantages | 14:27 |
apuimedo | we can probably have a smaller vif annotation | 14:27 |
dulek | apuimedo: Ah, we want VIF.make_compatible, not Subnet.make_compatible. Yeah, that's possible to be done. | 14:27 |
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apuimedo | which we'll make sure to have make_compatible for | 14:27 |
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apuimedo | and we need to add support for hybrid plug | 14:27 |
apuimedo | but we get rid of the privsep (which we definitely do not need) | 14:28 |
irenab | apuimedo, is there a bug on kuryr side for the breakage? | 14:29 |
apuimedo | irenab: no. I was not in the mood to file it | 14:29 |
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apuimedo | I'll file it when the meeting ends | 14:29 |
apuimedo | irenab: thanks for the reminder :-) | 14:29 |
irenab | May I suggest to add there the options to fix the issue (the 2 options you presented)? | 14:29 |
irenab | I think I will need some time to dive into details to provide my opinion | 14:30 |
apuimedo | irenab: very well, thanks! | 14:30 |
apuimedo | ok, next | 14:30 |
apuimedo | danil: what's the status on your sriov efforts? | 14:31 |
apuimedo | did you see ltomasbo's multipools patch? | 14:31 |
danil | I have some questions about SRIOV patches in kuryr-kubernetes project (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kuryr-kubernetes+branch:master+topic:bp/kuryr-kubernetes-sriov-support-refactor). | 14:31 |
apuimedo | https://review.openstack.org/528345 | 14:31 |
apuimedo | danil: go ahead | 14:31 |
danil | yes, I've seen ltomasbo's multipools patch. It looks good to me. | 14:31 |
danil | I fixed cni part in my patches, but the main problem is in design of MULTI-VIF support. As I understand, current design corresponds to merged design proposal (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513715/). I can't understand clearly, what I have to change in "multi-vif driver -> other drivers" interaction. | 14:32 |
apuimedo | what do you mean? | 14:33 |
irenab | danil, I think now it is very specific multi-vif driver, that handles sr-iov and requested subnets cases | 14:33 |
irenab | It is not extendable to other cases | 14:34 |
danil | but I thought it was described in design proposal | 14:34 |
danil | so, I have to collaborate with ltomasbo's multipools patch? | 14:35 |
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apuimedo | danil: irenab: for me it is fine if it is specific to sriov | 14:35 |
apuimedo | ltomasbo's is for making the default | 14:35 |
apuimedo | binding | 14:36 |
apuimedo | being able to be set on a per node basis | 14:36 |
yboaron | danil, are we going to support SR-IOV for both BM and nested cases ? | 14:36 |
apuimedo | IIUC | 14:36 |
irenab | Maybe this is ok for now, just probably need to change the driver name to something more sr-iov specific | 14:36 |
apuimedo | danil's approach helps in being able to add sriov devices to pods | 14:36 |
danil | irenab, do you mean to change multivif driver name? | 14:37 |
apuimedo | irenab: doesn't it allow pods with multiple vifs? | 14:37 |
irenab | danil, yes, since it is not real multi-vif in a generic sense | 14:37 |
apuimedo | I think the name is fine then | 14:37 |
danil | apuimedo, yes. And drivers interaction | 14:37 |
apuimedo | but ltomasbo's driver should be per-node-vif-driver | 14:37 |
apuimedo | or som,ething | 14:38 |
irenab | apuimedo, there is an active discussion in k8s net sig on multi network support, so eventually it will make sense to align with the approach | 14:38 |
apuimedo | irenab: no question about that | 14:38 |
apuimedo | that's THE WAY! | 14:38 |
yboaron | apuimedo, that's right , ltomasbo's idea is single VIF driver per node | 14:39 |
apuimedo | but allowing sriov on the meantime as extra vifs | 14:39 |
apuimedo | is nice | 14:39 |
irenab | agreed | 14:40 |
irenab | danil, I will recheck the pathes and try to suggest better name. I am ok on direction till we converge with k8s net sig proposal | 14:41 |
apuimedo | good | 14:41 |
apuimedo | anything else danil? | 14:42 |
danil | irenab, good, thanks | 14:42 |
danil | no, thats all | 14:42 |
danil | thanks | 14:42 |
irenab | I do not have SR-IOV nics, so someone need to verify. apuimedo would you be able to do it? | 14:42 |
apuimedo | irenab: I think so | 14:42 |
irenab | thanks | 14:42 |
apuimedo | yboaron: have you used sriov before? | 14:43 |
yboaron | yes | 14:43 |
apuimedo | yboaron: then I'll get you some BM to try it out :-) | 14:43 |
yboaron | apuimedo, I'm the happiest person in globe !! | 14:43 |
apuimedo | yboaron: good! | 14:44 |
dulek | yboaron: And it's on blue monday! Nice! | 14:44 |
apuimedo | :-) | 14:44 |
apuimedo | dulek: os-vif made me blue friday instead | 14:45 |
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apuimedo | what else do we have for the meeting today? | 14:45 |
kaliya | apuimedo, all, hi (Fabrizio) | 14:45 |
kaliya | apuimedo: I'm doing some research in the scope of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/nested-dpdk-support , do you know what's the status exactly? | 14:45 |
apuimedo | kaliya: nice to see you!!! | 14:46 |
apuimedo | kaliya: now that's a bp I didn't see in a long time! | 14:46 |
apuimedo | the status is we'd like to see it worked on, but it hasn't had an implementer in forever | 14:46 |
kaliya | let's resurrect it! | 14:46 |
apuimedo | kaliya: intel abandoned it | 14:47 |
kaliya | I saw some fancy presentation by Intel, but seems it's not worked in practice | 14:47 |
kaliya | I see | 14:47 |
apuimedo | kaliya: with Intel together we presented the nested macvlan in the barcelona summit | 14:48 |
apuimedo | did they do one on dpdk? | 14:48 |
dulek | kaliya: Looks like it was being driven by Intel networking team. I can try to find you a contact to ask about it. | 14:48 |
apuimedo | I know they worked on it | 14:48 |
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kaliya | now k8s is adding some resource management features allowing to theoretically enable dpdk (i.e. hugepages in beta) | 14:48 |
apuimedo | after that | 14:48 |
kaliya | ya thanks dulek | 14:48 |
apuimedo | kaliya: that's right | 14:48 |
apuimedo | but how will that play with nested | 14:48 |
kaliya | apuimedo: https://dpdksummit.com/Archive/pdf/2017Userspace/DPDK-Userspace2017-Day2-13-DPDKUserspace%20Summit20170927.pdf | 14:48 |
apuimedo | as in pod on VM getting dpdk going | 14:49 |
apuimedo | ah, yes, kural was working on it too | 14:49 |
apuimedo | kaliya: do you have some demo or use case in mind? | 14:50 |
kaliya | not really, just collecting ideas for now:) | 14:50 |
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apuimedo | right | 14:51 |
apuimedo | well, if there is any other thing you have in mind | 14:51 |
apuimedo | let us know ;-) | 14:51 |
kaliya | ok I will ask help in channel for sure | 14:51 |
kaliya | I guess the research is for perf resons - for now | 14:52 |
kaliya | that's all I had to say for now, ty | 14:53 |
apuimedo | good | 14:53 |
apuimedo | welcome kaliya! | 14:53 |
dulek | kaliya: You can ask sean-k-mooney about it, I think he's based in the same office, the person who proposed the BP. | 14:53 |
apuimedo | does anybody have anything else? | 14:54 |
kaliya | thanks dulek | 14:54 |
apuimedo | 6 minutes remaining? | 14:54 |
yboaron | kaliya, BTW fo performance , when SRIOV will be supported by kury-k8s , you can run DPDK in container's VNF | 14:54 |
kaliya | ok yboaron | 14:55 |
apuimedo | #topic general | 14:56 |
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apuimedo | #info there will be a keynote on kuryr https://devconfcz2018.sched.com/event/DJZ2/openshift-openstack-integration-hugh-brock-and-friends | 14:57 |
apuimedo | at devconf.cz | 14:57 |
apuimedo | ltomasbo: and myself will be part of the presenting team | 14:57 |
apuimedo | alright | 14:59 |
apuimedo | closing | 14:59 |
apuimedo | THank you all for participating! | 14:59 |
apuimedo | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 15 14:59:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-01-15-14.04.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-01-15-14.04.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2018/kuryr.2018-01-15-14.04.log.html | 14:59 |
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oanson | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 15 19:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 19:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 19:00 |
dimak | o/ | 19:00 |
oanson | All right. Who's here for the weekly? | 19:00 |
oanson | dimak, looks like it's just us :) | 19:01 |
dimak | *tumbleweed rolls* | 19:01 |
oanson | All right. Let's start. | 19:01 |
oanson | #topic Roadmap | 19:02 |
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oanson | I am removing LBaaS and L3 flavour from the Queens roadmap. We're not gonna make it if we want to tackle our bugs. | 19:02 |
oanson | LBaaS can be pushed to R cycle. L3 flavour can be done if it is requested | 19:02 |
dimak | When Queens cycle is tagged? | 19:02 |
oanson | 28th February, IIRC | 19:02 |
dimak | That makes sense then | 19:03 |
oanson | Upgrades: irenab added some comments to the spec which I'll review tomorrow. I don't know if we'll make that either, but most (or all) of the upgrade scripts are already written, so we may be able to backport them if we miss. | 19:04 |
dimak | +1 | 19:04 |
oanson | Deployment: RPM packaging is still churning water. The RDO gate fails on RDO infra stuff, so there's no real progress. I'll restart tackling SuSE RPM this week. | 19:04 |
oanson | OSA is giving us grief. My understanding from lihi is that the etcd3 direction is bust due to the use of etcd proxy, and its support for HTTP2 only. | 19:05 |
oanson | I think she's trying a Redis role now, but she'll probably update next week. | 19:05 |
dimak | Looking forward | 19:05 |
oanson | snapiri, started looking into the 'Brown Fielding'/'Migration'. He published a very early WIP. | 19:06 |
dimak | This one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532788/ | 19:06 |
oanson | Yes. | 19:06 |
oanson | Login took me too long :) | 19:06 |
oanson | #link Neutron import script https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532788/ | 19:06 |
oanson | I believe he said it was so early we shouldn't review it, but I am happy to note this item has progress :) | 19:07 |
dimak | Will keep my eye on it | 19:07 |
oanson | Gates - Grenade gate will be done as part of upgrades. I believe I have a WIP somewhere. Now that zuul configuration is project-owned, should be easy to test | 19:07 |
oanson | Tempest - we still have the bug re security groups (bug 1740739 ). | 19:08 |
openstack | bug 1740739 in DragonFlow "Security group mismatch for floating IP" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1740739 | 19:08 |
oanson | I tried seeing what Neutron does, but couldn't make heads or tails of it and my environment kept crashing. Will try again, or asked someone for help. | 19:08 |
oanson | Troubleshooting: OSProfiler patch is ready for merge. It's not product-grade, but as a first release, I think it would do nicely. | 19:09 |
dimak | I'll review it | 19:09 |
oanson | #link OSProfiler patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507851/ | 19:09 |
oanson | snapiri is also looking at skydive and topology viewer. There's a lot of work there, so we'll have to see how we progress. | 19:10 |
oanson | That's all I have. | 19:10 |
oanson | dimak, anything you want to add? | 19:10 |
dimak | Nothing major | 19:10 |
dimak | App decoupling spec slipped in | 19:10 |
oanson | Great! | 19:11 |
dimak | We're now making sure our implementation is gate-friendly | 19:11 |
dimak | We have some issues with names though | 19:11 |
dimak | A lot of reviewers are confused :P | 19:11 |
oanson | I actually didn't go over the rebuttal *blush* | 19:12 |
oanson | I'll do that tomorrow | 19:12 |
dimak | Cool | 19:12 |
oanson | Great. Anything else? | 19:12 |
dimak | Nope | 19:13 |
oanson | I have nothing to add on bugs. So let's skip to open discussion | 19:13 |
oanson | #topic Open Discussion | 19:13 |
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oanson | Actually, I don't have anything here either, but the protocol insists | 19:13 |
oanson | dimak, you have something you want to raise? | 19:13 |
dimak | Nope, I think we can wrap it up early | 19:13 |
oanson | (An exception, maybe? xD) | 19:13 |
oanson | Cool. Let's do that! | 19:13 |
oanson | Thanks for coming! | 19:13 |
oanson | #endmeeting | 19:14 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 15 19:14:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:14 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2018/dragonflow.2018-01-15-19.00.html | 19:14 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2018/dragonflow.2018-01-15-19.00.txt | 19:14 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2018/dragonflow.2018-01-15-19.00.log.html | 19:14 |
dimak | Good evening, oanson | 19:14 |
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