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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 11 14:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:00 |
| McClymontS | GM | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | erno is on holiday, not sure if he'll peek in today | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | hi scott | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | erno! | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | semi afk ... on dinner table atm | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | ok, careful with your keyboard! | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hi abhishekk | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, hi | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | light agenda today, and i need to sign off early, so here goes | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| rosmaita | first, a reminder that voting for Foundation Board of Directors closes at 1700 UTC tomorrow | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | hopefully you have received an email | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | but don't forget to vote | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | smcguiness and cdent are running to get some developer voices on the board | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | but all candidates have a Q&A you can read through | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | second, next week: final release for non-client libraries (so for us, glance_store) | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | so any glance_store outstanding issues are a priority this week | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | (not sure there are any though) | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i will check before sending out the weekly email | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | finally, two items about the week-after-next | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | Q-3 and feature freeze is the week of Jan 22 | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | so coming up fast | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | also, the PTL self-nomination period is the week of Jan 22 | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | i have talked to my management and have support to serve again | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | and i'm willing to do it | 14:05 |
| McClymontS | +1 | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | but i'm also willing to be talked out of it | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | in any case, if you are interested, i'll be happy to discuss it with you and let you know what you're in for | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | also, flavio wrote a blog post 2 or so years ago that has some really good info | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | it is a good time to think about being PTL even if you don't want to do it for Rocky, i can help you get ready for S | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | (which i think doesn't have a name yet) | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | anyway, that's all i've got for updates | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #topic gate situation | 14:08 |
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| rosmaita | you may have noticed that it is very slow | 14:08 |
| McClymontS | Definitely seeing some legitimate failures but also some non-legitimate ones rosmaita | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | yes, very slow sometimes its timed out | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | there have been a concatenation of circumstances, an image without pip, some zuul3 crashes, meltdown patching | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | all happening at once | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | i didn't see anything on the ML, so i don't have a lot of info | 14:09 |
| McClymontS | Sadly its pretty obstructive right now | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | but there was a lot of activity in #openstack-infra-incident yesterday | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | McClymontS: you said it | 14:09 |
| McClymontS | really trying to understand the blockers on the final steps of my patch and I have gotten a few timeouts, malloc type errors, and a few legitimate failures | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | yeah, it's a bummer | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | and not likely to get better as the load increases toward RC-time | 14:10 |
| McClymontS | so whats the backup here | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | one thing for abhishekk and jokke_ : sometimes when they do a zuul restart, approvals don't get picked up | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | need to +A again | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | right, just something to be aware of | 14:12 |
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| abhishekk | I will keep a eye on zuul queue | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | ok | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | McClymontS i really don't know what the backup is, but several jobs i'm interested in have been stuck in queued for hours | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i'm not sure whether there's a way to un-queue and re-queue? | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | i guess there is not | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | i just asked that in #openstack-infra , though looks like they have other stuff happening | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, infra says if you have a stuck job, you can ask in #openstack-infra for someone to take a look ... but they also said there's a pretty big backlog from the past 2 days | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | ohh | 14:17 |
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| rosmaita | ok, that's it from me | 14:18 |
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| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:18 | |
| abhishekk | i have one | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, go ahead | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | glanceclient: limit_param_default will never be used if set in glance-api.conf | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | The reason limit_param_default is not used is that from glanceclient default limit as 20 is passed to the server side where as at server side if limit is None then only limit_param_default is used. So if glanceclient is used then limit_param_default will never be used where as if someone uses curl then only it will be used. | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | is this expected behavior, or its a bug | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | so it actually is used, just not all the time? | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | well it will e used in any case where client does not send the limit or client sends bigger limit (IIRC) | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | client sends the limit all the time | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | isnt there also a max_param_limit or something? or is that the one we are talking about? | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: python-glanceclient does ... not all clients necessarily | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | or am i thinking about page size? | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: right | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: what is this a limit on? | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita: listing the image per request. | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | yeah so it's the image list page size | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | which gets funny when you list like 50k images :P | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so as long as if the api says 10, and that's what the client gets, even if it asks for 20, that seems OK to me | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | so if you have say 2000 images and if you use glance_client then internally it makes 100 requests | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | ok, now i see what you are getting at | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | that seems something that could be improved in the client | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but not necessarily a bug | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | IIRC you can ask glanceclient to use bigger page size and it will unless the server limit is something tiny as well | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | yup, | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk are you seeing problems with this? | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | this is another discovery problem, no way for the client to know what the max page size it can request is | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | I guess if I made lots of list requests then it will consume my memory? | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, if you ask for 10K results and they're atually there, the client will make a series of requests and try to build the response until it OOM | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | actually it does not make those requests parallel so the larger your page size the more memory utilization you have as you have bigger pages in the memory | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | anyway, doesn't seem to be a bug | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: at least the CLI does print out per page, not build it up and dump all at once | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | ok, I was just curious about the behavior | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ cool, then the 20 limit is probably on the assumption of a thin client | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | this very thing was one of the major performance hits when we moved to v2 API | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | as the client did schema verification on every page it received | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | and we were paging a lot when there was bit more images | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | that was fixed iirc | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | thus it does check only the first page nowadays ;) | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | It was Fei Long who found and fixed it at the time | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | hooray for Fei Long! | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | ok, anything else? | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | I just remember that behaviour very well as we were banging head against the wall al lot | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | nope, sounds good | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i think the schema-validation-for-responses behavior is from the days when we thought other clouds would provide the openstack APIs | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | not aware that ever happened, though | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, i have to sign off early today | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | anyone on track what's the state of glance store? | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | i | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i'll review later, but i think it's OK | 14:31 |
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| jokke_ | ok cool ... I think that's gonna freeze soon for the release | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | yes, i'll send out an email about that | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i may need to do some monkeying with the gate jobs (hope not) | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | Just to update, I got the Ireland Visa so I will be attending this PTG | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | hooray! | 14:32 |
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| jokke_ | abhishekk: \\o \o/ o// | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | :D \o/ | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | I will be there too :P | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | McClymontS are you going to be able to attend? | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | looking forward to see you all :D | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: you will reach first I guess :P | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | no TZ problems for jokke_ this time! | 14:33 |
| McClymontS | I am not going to be there rosmaita | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | bummer | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | darn | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | ok, feel free to continue discussion in the glance channel | 14:34 |
| McClymontS | yeah unfortunately a mix of things just got in the way | 14:34 |
| McClymontS | awesome thanks guys | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 11 14:34:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-01-11-14.00.html | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-01-11-14.00.txt | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-01-11-14.00.log.html | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 14:34 |
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| abhishekk | thank you | 14:34 |
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