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| oanson | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 25 08:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 08:01 |
| irenab | hi | 08:01 |
| dimak | hey | 08:01 |
| oanson | Roll call! Lift your hands, say yeah! | 08:01 |
| oanson | o/ | 08:01 |
| dimak | \o/ | 08:01 |
| leyal | HI | 08:01 |
| oanson | Let's give lihi a second to join the party | 08:01 |
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| lihi | Hi | 08:02 |
| oanson | All right! | 08:02 |
| oanson | #info irenab dimak leyal lihi in the meeting | 08:02 |
| oanson | #topic Roadmap | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 08:02 | |
| oanson | LBaaS - no progress | 08:02 |
| oanson | DNS - lihi ? | 08:02 |
| lihi | I uploaded yesterday an update to the spec | 08:03 |
| irenab | link? | 08:03 |
| oanson | You must have a bug - it fails the gate :( | 08:04 |
| oanson | #link DNS as a service spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527956/ | 08:04 |
| dimak | Must be too controversial | 08:04 |
| irenab | maybe recheck will fix | 08:05 |
| lihi | Christmas fails the gate :( | 08:05 |
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| oanson | Do we have a decision on how to implement? virtual port (like metadata) or hijack DNS packet? | 08:06 |
| dimak | Is performance comparable? | 08:07 |
| leyal | oanson , did we must to bind between the virtual-port and external-app ? | 08:07 |
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| lihi | Currently the virtual port is the prefered option | 08:07 |
| oanson | dimak, theoretically, the service (metadata-like) option should be more performant. But for actual numbers, we need to run tests. | 08:08 |
| oanson | leyal, sorry? | 08:08 |
| oanson | irenab, I don't see your vote on the spec. Do you have an opinion? | 08:08 |
| irenab | oanson, I missed the spec. Just added it to the queue, will rview and vote | 08:08 |
| leyal | oanson, can we do virtual-port , but still run in context of the controller process ? | 08:09 |
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| oanson | leyal, yes. We can have the controller listen on the tap device. | 08:09 |
| irenab | I wonder what are the benefits to have it as a separate service | 08:09 |
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| oanson | irenab, 1. if one process crashes, it doesn't take the other with it. 2. If one process hogs the CPU, the other can still do its thing (since we use cooperative threading) | 08:10 |
| oanson | 3. separation of responsibilities: control (DF Controller) vs. data (DNS service) | 08:11 |
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| irenab | oanson, so why other Apps are not spearated? | 08:11 |
| irenab | separated | 08:11 |
| oanson | metadata is the only other app that has this behaviour (i.e. needing to parse the packets outside of OVS/OpenFlow). And metadata is separated. | 08:12 |
| leyal | dhcp .. | 08:12 |
| irenab | once we go for IGMP, it will be the third? | 08:12 |
| oanson | LBaaS is also planned to be separated for anything stronger than OpenFlow can provide | 08:12 |
| irenab | I just think we should have proper pattern to decide which way to go | 08:13 |
| oanson | irenab, I think IGMP is a special case, since IGMP packets will control the installed flows. | 08:13 |
| oanson | leyal, yes, dhcp is the odd one out. It was written before the metadata-like pattern was invented | 08:13 |
| irenab | I am afraid we may end up with many services per compute node, need proper mechanisms to keep them alive and decide if compute is functional | 08:15 |
| oanson | I'm willing to put DHCP as a special case too, since it's broadcast based (not unicast) and happens before the network is strictly set up | 08:15 |
| oanson | irenab, true. But I'm not sure moving this instability into the DF controller is the correct solution | 08:16 |
| oanson | We have systemd. We have service self-notification. We can leverage these to build something | 08:16 |
| irenab | oanson, me too. We should see the whole picture. Lets continue discussion over the patch? | 08:16 |
| oanson | Yes and no. I want to separate the two things | 08:16 |
| oanson | I don't want this to block DNS | 08:17 |
| oanson | If we agree that a separate service, regardless of this issue, is the correct way to go, let's run with that. | 08:17 |
| oanson | In parallel, let's see how we construct a services framework | 08:17 |
| irenab | I still need to review the spec, will vote asap | 08:17 |
| oanson | Sure. I just meant that I don't want this issue to block DNS. | 08:18 |
| irenab | sure, agreed | 08:18 |
| oanson | Are we done for DNS? | 08:18 |
| oanson | Upgrades | 08:18 |
| oanson | #link Upgrades spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500647/14/doc/source/specs/database_migration_and_upgrade.rst | 08:19 |
| oanson | This is another voting thing | 08:19 |
| dimak | I still owe a comment there | 08:19 |
| oanson | First of, lihi, dimak, you both have to vote | 08:19 |
| oanson | (So does snapiri, but they're PTO) | 08:19 |
| lihi | 👍🏿 | 08:20 |
| oanson | leyal, you want to take a minute to raise your concerns with two offline migration scripts? | 08:20 |
| leyal | well not more that what i wrote in the patch. | 08:21 |
| leyal | the main issue is that we use neutron for things like IPAM | 08:21 |
| leyal | MAC allocation | 08:22 |
| oanson | I agree this shouldn't happen offline | 08:22 |
| leyal | segmentation allocation and maybe more - and if upgrade need to create a new port or new network it's can be an issue | 08:22 |
| oanson | But is there a scenario for this? In e.g. DHCP, we remove ports, not create ports | 08:22 |
| oanson | And if such a scenario exists, how do Neutron solve it? | 08:23 |
| leyal | DHCP create new ports per lswitch . | 08:23 |
| oanson | The upgrade script can reuse the first port (since now there are ports per subnet). If no such port exists, then there's no dhcp enabled subnet, and we don't need an lswitch dhcp lport | 08:24 |
| leyal | if we delete and add the ports to neutron when neutron is alive it's will done all that for us ..' | 08:24 |
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| leyal | oanson , sure but that a workaround - maybe in future changes it will not fit .. | 08:25 |
| oanson | That's why I'm looking for a scenario. I think the benefits of two offline scripts is worth one workaround. | 08:25 |
| oanson | But maybe not four | 08:25 |
| oanson | I suggest we try and understand how Neutron solves this issue. I'm sure they have. At the moment, I don't think DHCP is blocking the two offline migration scripts solution, and I stand by my preference to that option. | 08:27 |
| leyal | oanson , i don't sure that we could predict if this issue will appear in future changes - but i think it defiantly possible .. | 08:27 |
| leyal | definitely* | 08:27 |
| oanson | True | 08:27 |
| oanson | But there will always be a limit to what we can support. Is supporting this worth the trade-off? | 08:28 |
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| leyal | well, i vote for the online option :) | 08:29 |
| dimak | I'll read the comments and vote | 08:29 |
| oanson | All right. This looks like an impass :) Let's keep discussion on the spec. I'll look up how Neutron handles this in their upgrades. And we'll take it from there. | 08:29 |
| oanson | Worse comes, we'll vote in two weeks time | 08:29 |
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| oanson | #action oanson look up how Neutron handles IPAM / port creation during upgrade | 08:30 |
| oanson | Deployment - OSA - lihi, you're up | 08:30 |
| lihi | It is not stable, but I managed to make the deployment work occasionally | 08:31 |
| lihi | The main problem with it that each run takes ~4 hours, so it takes time | 08:31 |
| oanson | All right | 08:32 |
| oanson | RPM packaging - | 08:32 |
| oanson | Gimme a sec to find the bug link | 08:32 |
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| oanson | Working on getting python-jsonmodels into RDO. ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1525362 ) | 08:33 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1525362 in distribution "Review Request: python-jsonmodels - Models to make easier to deal with structures that are converted to, or read from JSON in python" [Unspecified,Post] - Assigned to lars | 08:33 |
| oanson | It's built. I think we just need someone to push it in. | 08:33 |
| oanson | But it's Christmas, so we may need to wait a week or two | 08:33 |
| oanson | Dirk Mueller also said he'll look into the suse ci failure - I told him it's jsonmodels missing in suse. I doubt he'll volunteer to add it :) | 08:34 |
| oanson | But I'm taking it one step at a time | 08:35 |
| oanson | Unless there's a rush I should know about? | 08:35 |
| irenab | oanson, is it mandatory for OSA? | 08:35 |
| oanson | irenab, no | 08:35 |
| oanson | OSA take it from pip or from the git repo | 08:36 |
| irenab | good, thanks | 08:36 |
| oanson | Migration to Dragonflow - As far as I know, there's no progress. | 08:36 |
| oanson | Gates | 08:37 |
| oanson | Grenade gate - pending on the spec | 08:37 |
| irenab | oanson, is there someone who was interested in the migration? | 08:37 |
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| dimak | Shachar did some work to split gate configurations | 08:37 |
| oanson | irenab, I don't recall that of the top of my head | 08:37 |
| oanson | dimak, yes | 08:38 |
| oanson | #link Split gate configurations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529515/ | 08:38 |
| oanson | I want to add to it a small change - creating a common fullstack file too, so the difference between redis and etcd will only be the db services | 08:38 |
| dimak | +1 | 08:39 |
| dimak | I had some comment as well | 08:39 |
| dimak | adding -fullstack suffix to those files | 08:39 |
| oanson | I hope I'll get to it... tomorrow. | 08:39 |
| oanson | dimak, sure. Add it to the review (so I won't forget) and I'll do that too | 08:39 |
| dimak | It's there | 08:39 |
| oanson | Cool | 08:40 |
| oanson | My understanding is that tempest now only fails on BGP | 08:40 |
| oanson | I can't check that now since zuul is completely shot | 08:40 |
| oanson | But if that's the case, I'll work with the neutron-dynamic-routing guys to see what we can do | 08:41 |
| oanson | I understand it's mostly strange docker disappearing acts. | 08:41 |
| oanson | Anything else for gates? | 08:41 |
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| oanson | Troubleshooting - anything for this? | 08:42 |
| oanson | #topic bugs | 08:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 08:42 | |
| oanson | I'm still hacking at bug 1720734 | 08:43 |
| openstack | bug 1720734 in DragonFlow "Floating IP association to LBaaS VIP supported by Octavia does not work" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720734 - Assigned to Omer Anson (omer-anson) | 08:43 |
| oanson | I have high hopes with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529692/ | 08:43 |
| dimak | Will review | 08:44 |
| oanson | I still have to test it with kuryr-kubernetes. But as I said, I have high hopes ;) | 08:44 |
| irenab | oanson, we can verify in my env | 08:44 |
| oanson | irenab, sure. Let's do that. | 08:44 |
| oanson | Any other bugs to discuss? | 08:44 |
| oanson | #topic Open Discussion | 08:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 08:46 | |
| oanson | Hey! We made it! | 08:46 |
| oanson | Anything here? | 08:46 |
| oanson | lihi, dimak, I recall you mentioned you have something? | 08:47 |
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| dimak | We're working on the application decoupling spec/code | 08:47 |
| dimak | its out there | 08:47 |
| dimak | kind-of starting to work | 08:48 |
| dimak | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/dragonflow+branch:master+topic:bug/1738986 | 08:48 |
| oanson | Cool! | 08:48 |
| leyal | dimak , lihi - it's really cool :) | 08:49 |
| irenab | I had a question on the spec regarding the impact on the users (devs, operators) | 08:49 |
| dimak | Looking | 08:49 |
| dimak | Missed your review, will answer on gerrit | 08:50 |
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| dimak | But I don't think there should be much impact there | 08:50 |
| irenab | please address in the spec, I am concerned if it may complicate day to day for the operators | 08:51 |
| dimak | We'll still be shipping the datapath "assembled and ready for use" | 08:51 |
| irenab | troubleshooting, debugging | 08:51 |
| dimak | Will do | 08:51 |
| irenab | thanks | 08:51 |
| oanson | Anything else for this? | 08:52 |
| leyal | yep - I Uploaded a patch for POC for kubernetes support - it's still not working . but if anyone interested the patch is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529971/ . as we don't using neutron it's can give us good view of what neutron done for us -for DF-api | 08:52 |
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| oanson | leyal, could you also add a tutorial on how to setup a deployment like this (i.e. k8s without openstack)? | 08:53 |
| oanson | It might be interesting in case we want to play around and get a better feel for what's missing | 08:53 |
| irenab | oanson, better have something like DF without openstack | 08:54 |
| oanson | irenab, I meant with DF :) | 08:54 |
| leyal | oanson , I will do when it's work , it's also just POC we still have some missing parts in DF | 08:54 |
| oanson | leyal, up to you. But it will help us to understand what's going on, and help if we can | 08:55 |
| leyal | sure , thanks :) | 08:56 |
| oanson | Anything else on this? | 08:56 |
| oanson | Anything else for open discussion? We have two minutes left :) | 08:57 |
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| oanson | Well, thanks everyone for coming! | 08:58 |
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| oanson | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 25 08:59:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-12-25-08.00.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-12-25-08.00.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-12-25-08.00.log.html | 08:59 |
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| trier958 | TESTING TESTING | 22:11 |
| kysse | nope | 22:12 |
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| trier958 | Hi ender948 | 22:13 |
| trier958 | kysse what are you doing here | 22:13 |
| trier958 | We are in the middle of maintenence | 22:13 |
| trier958 | TESTING | 22:15 |
| trier958 | TESTING | 22:15 |
| kysse | YES | 22:15 |
| kysse | I'm drinkin beer and supervising you | 22:16 |
| trier958 | kysse, please do not interrupt | 22:16 |
| kysse | BE CAREFULL | 22:16 |
| kysse | okey sir | 22:16 |
| trier958 | What must we be careful of? | 22:16 |
| kysse | me and my attitude | 22:16 |
| kysse | go on. | 22:16 |
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| trier958 | The reason why we are doing this today is because it should be quiet on here today. | 22:17 |
| trier958 | You should be with your family enjoying Christmas. | 22:17 |
| trier958 | This channel is closed right now for maintenance | 22:17 |
| kysse | I'm in finland and drunk. Can I haz a jon offer? | 22:18 |
| kysse | job* | 22:18 |
| trier958 | No, I am not in charge of that. You will have to talk to the company about that tomorrow when they are open. | 22:18 |
| trier958 | I am just the maintenance person | 22:19 |
| kysse | okey thanks bro | 22:19 |
| kysse | please continue your IRC maintenance | 22:19 |
| trier958 | I intend to | 22:19 |
| trier958 | TESTING | 22:19 |
| trier958 | TESTING | 22:19 |
| * trier958 tests | 22:20 | |
| trier958 | kysse you will want to go to #openstack for the job application | 22:20 |
| kysse | thanks bro | 22:20 |
| trier958 | tomorrow when they are open | 22:20 |
| kysse | they are open? | 22:20 |
| kysse | openstack is a company? | 22:21 |
| trier958 | tomorrow | 22:21 |
| trier958 | Today, they are closed for the Christmas holidays. | 22:21 |
| trier958 | This is a meeting channel, so there are not job applications here | 22:21 |
| kysse | nice to meet you sir | 22:21 |
| trier958 | likewise | 22:21 |
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