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rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 7 14:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
bhagyashri_s | o/ | 14:00 |
abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
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kairat | o/ | 14:02 |
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rosmaita | hello everyone! | 14:02 |
kairat | hi | 14:02 |
rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
rosmaita | hi kairat , good to see you | 14:03 |
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rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
rosmaita | #topic updates - Q-2 milestone | 14:04 |
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rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-queens-Q2 | 14:04 |
arcolife | o/ | 14:04 |
rosmaita | it seems like every patch has needed a rebase | 14:04 |
rosmaita | on every submission | 14:04 |
rosmaita | and the gate has been slow anyway | 14:05 |
rosmaita | so it's been taking forever to get things merged | 14:05 |
arcolife | rosmaita, abhishekk shall I rebase and submit again finally? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523028/ | 14:05 |
abhishekk | unfortunately changes were in one or two files, I should have created dependency :( | 14:05 |
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arcolife | it seems the conflicting patch has been aceepted | 14:05 |
arcolife | s/accepted | 14:05 |
kairat | do we the newscrubber work with ssl after refactor? | 14:06 |
abhishekk | arcolife: not yet | 14:06 |
kairat | i am talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/ | 14:06 |
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jokke_ | kairat: both glance_store and oslo_db iiuc supports ssl, so yes | 14:07 |
kairat | cool | 14:07 |
gb21 | \o | 14:07 |
rosmaita | so that patch has no +2s ... i was testing it out but got completely sidetracked because something is weird about the scrub time | 14:08 |
rosmaita | it's not because of wxy's change though | 14:09 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: so due to the gate speed, I proposed the release from what we had merged. | 14:09 |
jokke_ | that was about an hour ago | 14:09 |
rosmaita | yeah, i guess it's a moot point | 14:09 |
rosmaita | ok, we will make it a priority for this week to get the scrubber merged | 14:10 |
rosmaita | so basically, all we have into Q2 is some bugfixes | 14:10 |
jokke_ | it's a milestone release anyways. obviously I would have lowed to see all the fixes being in the release, but we won't get it out this week if we wait those | 14:10 |
rosmaita | do we need a release note? because that will take hours to merge | 14:10 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: IIRC we don't necessarily need renos for milestones | 14:11 |
abhishekk | right | 14:11 |
jokke_ | we really need to start making it a habbit those renos being part of the patch | 14:11 |
abhishekk | good idea | 14:12 |
rosmaita | we usually do for features | 14:12 |
rosmaita | we don't want to require a release note for every bug fix | 14:12 |
abhishekk | for bug fixes if it is a api change then we demand for a release note | 14:12 |
kairat | +1 | 14:13 |
kairat | api change is not a bug fix =) | 14:13 |
jokke_ | well it would make the release life so much easier if there is reno with bugfix | 14:13 |
kairat | +1 to not require for each bug fix | 14:13 |
abhishekk | I mean to say APIImpact | 14:13 |
rosmaita | the release announcement has a list of the bugfixes | 14:13 |
rosmaita | let's go with no special releasenote for Q-2 and see what happens | 14:14 |
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rosmaita | ok, one other thing | 14:14 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: as said, the release patch is up already, so yeah I'd agree ;) | 14:14 |
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rosmaita | i've been working on getting the glanceclient gate working again | 14:14 |
jokke_ | ++ | 14:15 |
rosmaita | hope to get that done today, there's a problem with devstack and the mysql password | 14:15 |
rosmaita | if anyone wants details, will be happy to give them after the meeting | 14:16 |
rosmaita | #topic updates - barbican | 14:16 |
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rosmaita | this is an awareness thing, i don't think it affects glance | 14:16 |
rosmaita | though i am bringing it up just to make sure it does not affect glance | 14:16 |
rosmaita | barbican has provided services to issue certs, it will no longer do that | 14:17 |
rosmaita | info is here: | 14:17 |
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rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462363/ | 14:17 |
rosmaita | the releasenote has a summary | 14:17 |
rosmaita | it will still store and serve out certs, which is what we use it for | 14:18 |
rosmaita | (for the image signature stuff) | 14:18 |
jokke_ | hmm-m that's interesting shift in the community | 14:18 |
rosmaita | so i don't think there's any impact on us, but i said i'd inform the glance community and ask at our meeting if there is any impact | 14:19 |
jokke_ | suddenly we see people not totally loosing their crap when projects starts removing functionality from their APIs ... | 14:19 |
* jokke_ likes that evolving the services is actually let to happen | 14:19 | |
kairat | i have not seen anybody used barbician in prod | 14:20 |
kairat | tbh =) | 14:20 |
kairat | maybe it is me | 14:20 |
kairat | maybe it is because of barbician=) | 14:20 |
rosmaita | yeah, it's not widely used, i think mostly universities and labs | 14:20 |
jokke_ | kairat: yes it's just you :P | 14:20 |
rosmaita | #topic updates - community goals for Rocky | 14:21 |
kairat | well, that's great then=) | 14:21 |
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rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124976.html | 14:21 |
rosmaita | i am thoroughly sick of community goals, they have not worked out well for glance | 14:21 |
rosmaita | plus, this zuul3 migration is causing quite a bit of work | 14:22 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: totally agree | 14:22 |
rosmaita | nothing against zuul3 -- it's great -- but it has a learning curve | 14:22 |
rosmaita | i think once it's set up, we'll have more control over our jobs, but the problem is getting to that point | 14:22 |
rosmaita | so i am tempted to propose a no-op community goal | 14:23 |
rosmaita | either that, or a general technical debt cleanup goal | 14:23 |
rosmaita | each project would propose to clean up a particular item | 14:24 |
rosmaita | but not all projects woudl have to clean up the same item | 14:24 |
jokke_ | I kind of dislike the fact that it seems consistently break the world and the "backwards compatibility" what community expects from everyone else seems to be "Just do the work to migrate the new flow and everything will be fine" | 14:24 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: Do it! | 14:24 |
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jokke_ | totally +1 for the no-op | 14:25 |
abhishekk | +1 | 14:25 |
rosmaita | ok, then i'll find some time to do that | 14:26 |
rosmaita | the only proposal i'm aware of is to migrate everyone to storyboard | 14:26 |
rosmaita | anyway, i want everyone to be aware that the discussion is happening so that we/you can register your opinion before things get decided | 14:27 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: btw if you propose the no-op you can voluteer me to Champion it :D | 14:27 |
rosmaita | i am not clear on the timeline, not sure it was said in the email i referenced above | 14:27 |
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abhishekk | :D | 14:27 |
rosmaita | jokke_ : accepted | 14:27 |
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rosmaita | ok, that's all the updates | 14:28 |
rosmaita | #topic fault classification | 14:28 |
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rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125082.html | 14:28 |
rosmaita | the "fault genes" working group is asking for data to work with | 14:29 |
rosmaita | i guess this impacts me, i'm expected to respond | 14:29 |
rosmaita | they are looking for failures and mitigations | 14:29 |
jokke_ | I did read the e-mail ... formatting made it really painful and at the end I still have no idea what they are trying to achieve, what they actyally want and should I care | 14:29 |
rosmaita | yeah, the formatting was horrible | 14:30 |
abhishekk | exactly | 14:30 |
abhishekk | I am still not clear what they expect | 14:30 |
kairat | so they want target function between bugs and solutions=) | 14:30 |
kairat | good luck to them=) | 14:30 |
rosmaita | i'm not either, i brought it up hoping that someone here was super-excited about self-healing and wanted to work with them | 14:30 |
rosmaita | kairat: so glad to have you back at meetings! | 14:31 |
rosmaita | ok, i'll put together some kind of response so that glance is a good openstack citizen | 14:31 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: you clearly have too much time in your hands :P | 14:32 |
kairat | yes, finally got some time to work in community+) | 14:32 |
rosmaita | #topic - policies and the policy layer | 14:32 |
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rosmaita | the basic issue is how to have separate policies for stage_image and upload_image and also be able to reuse image.set_data() in both workflows | 14:32 |
rosmaita | it's brought on by this patch: | 14:32 |
rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524060/3/glance/api/v2/image_data.py@108 | 14:32 |
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rosmaita | kairat pointed out that the approach in the patch goes against glance architecture principles | 14:33 |
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rosmaita | i think nikhil left an agreeing comment | 14:33 |
rosmaita | now i have to mention that i did a bad thing at the end of pike | 14:34 |
jokke_ | kairat: are you deeply insulted if I express myself with "Feck the v2 domain architecture which is one of the biggest painpoints in the bollox and if we get rid of that layer, even better"? ;P | 14:34 |
rosmaita | i introduced a policy specifically to control whether you could use the tasks api or not | 14:34 |
rosmaita | and the check for that is in the controller | 14:34 |
kairat | so I completely agree with you jokke_ | 14:35 |
jokke_ | kairat ok cool! | 14:35 |
rosmaita | because it was another of these situations where the current policies had to be used from 2 different workflows | 14:35 |
jokke_ | Feck the v2 domain architecture which is one of the biggest painpoints in the bollox and if we get rid of that layer, even better | 14:35 |
kairat | in Glare i just replaced all this stuff with one layeer tbh) | 14:35 |
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abhishekk | (we are facing same with ImageSizeLimitExceeded i guess) | 14:35 |
kairat | it is not only to policy | 14:35 |
kairat | is policy is different then notifications might be also | 14:36 |
jokke_ | kairat: nope, but that's likely the easiest layer to get rid of if we start working towards simplifying the core | 14:36 |
kairat | and so on and so on | 14:36 |
rosmaita | yeah, once the onion starts unravelling, who knows what will happen | 14:36 |
jokke_ | we all will cry, a lot, until it gets better | 14:37 |
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bhagyashri_s | i would like to hear which approach should i follow to fix this | 14:37 |
rosmaita | so the key question at this point is what bhagyashri_s just brought up | 14:37 |
kairat | so regarding this patch, it would be perfect if we get rid of policy layer first | 14:37 |
rosmaita | i'm worried about bandwidth | 14:38 |
rosmaita | it's pretty late in the cycle | 14:38 |
abhishekk | agree | 14:38 |
jokke_ | yeah, I would not like to demand that from anyone, specially as it's addressing quite important part of the new API there | 14:38 |
rosmaita | i wonder whether we put these policies in the controller and take on some technical debt | 14:38 |
rosmaita | this could be our first step toward removing the policy layer | 14:39 |
rosmaita | because we'll need to make sure we have good test coverage before changing all the policy stuff | 14:39 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: I'm all for that. perhaps we should get someone writing untargeted spec or at least dev doc paragraph for that 'though | 14:40 |
rosmaita | nikhil had a suggestion about using a staged image proxy or something | 14:40 |
jokke_ | doesn't need to be part of this PS, but just so that we're clear why we are moving away from the old design and why we have stuff all over the place | 14:40 |
rosmaita | ok, well, i'll write up something this weekend as a spec draft | 14:41 |
rosmaita | do we want to agree now that bhagyashri_s patch is ok putting the policy stuff in the controller? | 14:41 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: I'm totally fine with that | 14:41 |
abhishekk | +1 | 14:42 |
rosmaita | and that if the spec to move policies isn't agreed on, we will have to rework bhagyashri_s policy-in-controller stuff | 14:42 |
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rosmaita | we can look at bhagyashri_s patch as an experiment for how we want to migrate the policy code | 14:42 |
rosmaita | kairat how does that sound to you? | 14:43 |
jokke_ | although I'm bit concerned putting even policy control to the import, but maybe it's just deployer headache if the want to fool around with it | 14:43 |
rosmaita | i think we need to have it | 14:44 |
rosmaita | ok, at least this unblocks bhagyashri_s | 14:45 |
rosmaita | #topic backports to stable/pike | 14:45 |
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rosmaita | actually, one backport is on my mind | 14:45 |
jokke_ | why? we have already create image policy and I'm not convinced that anyone should be allowed to create image but not use the import to make it happen ... but as said we're total mess anyways so maybe it's just one more thing to add to deployers problems | 14:45 |
rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1718125 | 14:45 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1718125 in neutron "Missing some contents for install prerequisites" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Xie (eric-xie) | 14:45 |
rosmaita | jokke_ if you can't create an image with current policies, aren't you prohibited from making server images? | 14:46 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: we can continue that on glance channel after the meeting or open discussion if we have time | 14:47 |
rosmaita | jokke_ agreed | 14:47 |
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rosmaita | anyway, this bug was a doc fix which has happened in master | 14:48 |
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rosmaita | problem is, people are looking at the pike docs, where it's missing | 14:48 |
rosmaita | big net split event ... anyone still here? | 14:48 |
McClymontS | I am here | 14:48 |
abhishekk | I am | 14:48 |
jokke_ | yeah | 14:48 |
rosmaita | so anyway, people wanting to use pike are being good openstack citizens and filing a bug about the incorrect docs | 14:49 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: if you have well contained patch we can backport, sure thing ... I'm all up for fixing the stable docs | 14:49 |
rosmaita | so i'd like to backport the doc fix and republish | 14:49 |
rosmaita | i don't know whether republication would happen automatically or not | 14:50 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: we can figure that out with dhellmann or someone else who actually know how the doc builds works | 14:50 |
rosmaita | right | 14:50 |
rosmaita | so do we want to do just a docfix release of stable/pike? | 14:50 |
rosmaita | or look for other worthy backports? | 14:50 |
jokke_ | I'm not sure if we need to even release for that, but lets figure it out | 14:51 |
jokke_ | I think the docs might be built on post | 14:51 |
rosmaita | ok, too bad sean isn't here today | 14:51 |
jokke_ | I think he might b bit busy with releases | 14:52 |
rosmaita | oh yeah ... that | 14:52 |
rosmaita | ok, i'll ask sean and doug for advice next week after the releases are out | 14:52 |
rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
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jokke_ | #success Glance Q2 is released | 14:52 |
rosmaita | wow, that was fast | 14:53 |
abhishekk | \o/ | 14:53 |
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jokke_ | rosmaita: automation is incredible thing :D | 14:53 |
rosmaita | ok, congratulations everyone, and please celebrate by reviewing the scrubber refactor | 14:53 |
rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/ | 14:53 |
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rosmaita | i was playing with the scrubber, and i don't know whether it's my setup or what, but the delay time isn't working quite right | 14:54 |
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rosmaita | i think i have a mismatch between mysql utc in database and maybe local time in scrubber | 14:54 |
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rosmaita | but i'm not sure | 14:55 |
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rosmaita | in any case, that's independent of wxy's changes | 14:55 |
rosmaita | just wondering if anyone else had noticed that | 14:55 |
abhishekk | today I haven't got time to test but I will test it before monday | 14:55 |
bhagyashri_s | o/ | 14:55 |
rosmaita | abhishekk that's fine | 14:56 |
bhagyashri_s | sorry to interrupt actually my hexchat application was suddenly off | 14:56 |
rosmaita | let's aim to get the scrubber change merged by next week's meeting | 14:56 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: are you sure it's independent? it does change how the time is evaluated | 14:56 |
bhagyashri_s | i lost the topic discussion | 14:56 |
jokke_ | bhagyashri_s: open discussion | 14:56 |
rosmaita | jokke_ i'll have to look more closely | 14:56 |
bhagyashri_s | i would like to put some points here | 14:57 |
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bhagyashri_s | Actaully I am ready with patch to add 'import_image' policy as per the kairat sugesstion to implement policy checks in policy layer as per the architecture of v2 in glance. | 14:57 |
bhagyashri_s | As the policy name is hard-coded in code so IMO we will need separate method ( for example set_import_data()) implementation like set_data() method for 'import_image' policy at each layer (domain, location, proxya and notifier) etc. | 14:57 |
abhishekk | bhagyshri_s: no need to make any changes to your patch as of now | 14:57 |
bhagyashri_s | i will check the logs as well | 14:57 |
rosmaita | bhagyashri_s thanks | 14:57 |
bhagyashri_s | And one more point that I have observed and would like to say you on the current master: no policy is applied for stage API call (in short set_data() method is not used or come in pictureat the time of stage) so how and where this newly introduce policy 'stage_image' will be applied? because image data is set using the add() method | 14:57 |
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rosmaita | bhagyashri_s i think it will have to be applied at the controller | 14:58 |
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bhagyashri_s | yeah on the current patch is possible | 14:59 |
rosmaita | we can continue discussion in the glance channel, we're just about out of time | 14:59 |
bhagyashri_s | so should i make changes on same patch | 14:59 |
jokke_ | sure, thanks all | 15:00 |
rosmaita | thanks everyone! and please review the scrubber patch! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/ | 15:00 |
bhagyashri_s | sure | 15:00 |
rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 7 15:00:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-12-07-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:07 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 7 15:07:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
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sjmc7 | sorry i’m late - IRC difficulties | 15:07 |
lei-zh | morning : ) | 15:08 |
sjmc7 | i think i’m ok now as long as i don’t touch anything | 15:08 |
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lei-zh | except keyboard | 15:09 |
sjmc7 | thanks for looking at those reviews | 15:09 |
sjmc7 | yes, except the keyboard | 15:09 |
sjmc7 | i submitted the q-2 release on tuesday (i was reminded that i’d missed doing it for q-1) | 15:10 |
sjmc7 | it includes the policy-in-code changes and a few scattered bug fixes | 15:10 |
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lei-zh | guess we don't have too many things this release | 15:12 |
sjmc7 | no.. i have noticed from our internal use of SL that there are occasionally times when nova updates cause date/time conflicts | 15:12 |
sjmc7 | i’m not sure whether it’s because the timestamps aren’t precise enough or what but i am going to try to fix it | 15:13 |
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sjmc7 | don’t really have any big things other than that - it works well enough for what we need it for, at least | 15:13 |
sjmc7 | i did notice that the API working group is suggesting everyone implement changes-since on their APIs | 15:14 |
lei-zh | the conflict sometimes appears like a ghost | 15:14 |
sjmc7 | which might let us do reindexing more efficiently (if resources are soft-deleted) | 15:14 |
sjmc7 | yeah | 15:14 |
sjmc7 | it’s because nova sends a lot of updates in a short space of time | 15:15 |
sjmc7 | and the state change updates are processed much faster than the others | 15:15 |
sjmc7 | the versioned notifications would improve it a lot i think but that patch is still lurking | 15:15 |
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lei-zh | is versioned notification still a target of this release | 15:16 |
94KAAJME9 | if i can get it reviewed :) | 15:16 |
lei-zh | i like your new nickname : ) | 15:17 |
94KAAJME9 | yeah, not sure what’s going on there :( | 15:17 |
94KAAJME9 | one sec | 15:17 |
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sjmc7_ | not sure who i am now :) | 15:19 |
lei-zh | looks pretty good | 15:19 |
lei-zh | ping me if you need help on versioned review | 15:20 |
sjmc7_ | i’ll maybe give the versioned patch a try again and check it still works | 15:20 |
lei-zh | cool | 15:20 |
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sjmc7_ | are you going to be at the PTG? | 15:20 |
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lei-zh | not sure about that... | 15:21 |
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lei-zh | this time is in ireland, right? | 15:22 |
sjmc7_ | yeah. too far for me to travel | 15:23 |
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lei-zh | much closer to your home : ) | 15:23 |
lei-zh | normally we'll have a nova guy there | 15:23 |
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sjmc7_ | i’ll keep an eye on what comes out of nova and glance | 15:26 |
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lei-zh | so your team use sl internally? | 15:28 |
sjmc7_ | yeah | 15:29 |
lei-zh | cool | 15:30 |
sjmc7_ | yeah, we’re running it a load in kubernetes. it’s worked pretty well as far as i can tell | 15:30 |
sjmc7_ | we’re actually running it cross region too, similar to what travis and i spoke about ages ago in austin i think | 15:31 |
lei-zh | a central service to contain all the region resources | 15:33 |
lei-zh | yeah, i remember | 15:33 |
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sjmc7_ | ok, i didn | 15:34 |
sjmc7_ | t have anything else so might as well let you get on with your evening | 15:34 |
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lei-zh | ok | 15:34 |
lei-zh | have a nice day | 15:34 |
sjmc7_ | i’ll let you know about the notification patch | 15:35 |
sjmc7_ | you too! | 15:35 |
sjmc7_ | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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