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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 13:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | #topic specs | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/508101 | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | gmann: how was that? | 13:01 |
| gmann | yea, i am still not sure about instance_name attr - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/5/specs/queens/approved/api-extensions-policy-removal.rst@91 | 13:01 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/5/specs/queens/approved/api-extensions-policy-removal.rst@91 | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | looks like a -1 from jichenjc | 13:02 |
| gmann | because of OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:instance_name | 13:02 |
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| gmann | should we consider this admin related and keep the policy for this | 13:02 |
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| gmann | may be you know the background as you remembered it was for ec2 | 13:03 |
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| gmann | sdague: johnthetubaguy any feedback on 'OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:instance_name' ? | 13:05 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/5/specs/queens/approved/api-extensions-policy-removal.rst@91 | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is it again? | 13:07 |
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| gmann | johnthetubaguy: in this spec, i am proposing the deprecation of few policy which are related to extensions as discussed in PTG | 13:07 |
| gmann | #link v | 13:07 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/508101 | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually, I see, the API docs say it should be for admins only, that makes sense I guess | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | "OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:instance_name": "instance-00000001", | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | is the example in the API docs | 13:08 |
| gmann | so that policy control many other attribute also like user_data which does not seems admin one | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is of no use to an end user really | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | ah, it is the name store in the libvirt xml | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its the name shown in the underlying hypervisor | 13:08 |
| gmann | ok | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | user_data is just really big, I suspect thats what it wasn't returned | 13:09 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: i see | 13:09 |
| gmann | i remember of seeing that name with virsh list | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | I remember someone filed bug about show the user_data for the normal user | 13:10 |
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| gmann | ok, | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | emm...I can't find that bug | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I really worry about exposing new things all of a sudden, I wasn't in that PTG discussion I guess, so not sure on the context | 13:12 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: alex_xu should we keep all attribute listed @91 as it is. i mean no change in policy ? | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is a whole heap of deprecation's we should totally do | 13:12 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: main idea is to deprecate the policy which were more related to and added when api extensions were added | 13:13 |
| takashin | alex_xu: this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1670978 | 13:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1670978 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "most of extended server attributes returned in 2.3 api versions should not require admin role" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to jichenjc (jichenjc) | 13:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we need to work out how to make the policy change on those attributes, it almost feels like we should have a microversion for the change | 13:13 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: for example polucy 'os_compute_api:os-extended-availability-zone' @70 | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | takashin: thanks | 13:14 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: microversion for policy change? | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | depends how you look at this, to 90% of the people using our API we are adding new attributes | 13:15 |
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| sdague | how did instance_name ever get into things? | 13:15 |
| sdague | I wonder why ec2 needs those | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats probably more to do with admins wanting to know what instance name to look at in their system | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh... ec2 uses instance-00000001 as its name, rather than the user one, back in the day | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | (...thinking back to when I was using euca tools because python-novaclient wasn't finished) | 13:17 |
| sdague | oh | 13:17 |
| sdague | gotcha, though that's weird given that it's not unique :) | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | oh, sorry, the 2.3 microversion is for ec2, but the name isn't in the list | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, and you can break it by chaning your config | 13:18 |
| gmann | yea by CONF.instance_name_template | 13:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Just to baseline, I guess we all agree on dropping the crazy policies that default to allow, but just randomly kill parts of an ex-extension? | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | (by drop I mean deprecate...) | 13:21 |
| gmann | yea, default to allow all one are main candidates | 13:21 |
| gmann | yea by deprecation | 13:21 |
| gmann | so in that list in spec, only ''os_compute_api:os-extended-server-attributes'' is admin one only all other are default to all | 13:22 |
| gmann | i will remove this policy ('os_compute_api:os-extended-server-attributes') from proposal | 13:22 |
| gmann | ^^ is ok? | 13:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we keep that problem separate, while we think about the best way forward | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | (i.e. don't block the other good progress) | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so +1 from me | 13:25 |
| gmann | yea | 13:25 |
| gmann | ll update spec tomorrow. | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | not sure johnthetubaguy and sdague is knowing the background, we want to keep the policy for the admin-only attributes since the admin may want to configure those attrs for other role like admin | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | does sound make sense? | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we totally have to keep the admin policy either way | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | the question is about what attributes it applies (and if that changes depending on the microversion) | 13:26 |
| gmann | sure. let's target non 'admin only' first | 13:28 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: sdague alex_xu thanks for feedback | 13:29 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sorry, the question is reference to the problem separation? | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably ignore that comment, just thinking about the admin-only instance_name and user_data | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | ah, i see | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | gmann: fyi, tomorrow is the spec-freeze | 13:32 |
| gmann | alex_xu: :) yea, i can update this now quickly | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | last chance is probably the tomorrow night | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | ok...anything other spec people want to bring up? | 13:32 |
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| alex_xu | gmann: thanks | 13:33 |
| gmann | nothing from my side. | 13:33 |
| takashin | nothing | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | ok, so I guess nothing for the open also | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | let us close the meeting, thanks all! | 13:34 |
| gmann | yea from me | 13:35 |
| gmann | alex_xu: thanks | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 13:35:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-10-18-13.00.html | 13:35 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-10-18-13.00.log.html | 13:35 |
| takashin | See you. | 13:36 |
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| adisky_ | #startmeeting watcher | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 14:03:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adisky_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| adisky_ | we have the following agenda today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#10.2F18.2F2017 | 14:03 |
| adisky_ | hi | 14:04 |
| suzhengwei | hi | 14:04 |
| adisky_ | #topic Announcements | 14:04 |
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| adisky_ | queens-1 milestone is on 19oct | 14:05 |
| adisky_ | we need to review queens-1 blueprint on priority | 14:06 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: it seems everyone is busy today!! | 14:06 |
| suzhengwei | yes | 14:07 |
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| suzhengwei | most people busy recently. | 14:08 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: hmm | 14:09 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501659/?? | 14:09 |
| suzhengwei | i try. | 14:10 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: ok | 14:10 |
| adisky_ | #action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501659/ | 14:10 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: can you review this also?? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508384/ | 14:11 |
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| suzhengwei | yes | 14:12 |
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| adisky_ | suzhengwei: thanks | 14:12 |
| adisky_ | #action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508384/ | 14:13 |
| suzhengwei | I wonder if we can release queue-1 on schedule. Many work to do, but not enough people. | 14:13 |
| adisky_ | #action adisky_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509264/ | 14:13 |
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| adisky_ | suzhengwei: yes, there are two blueprints for queens1 which are implemented, but not merged due to lack of reviews | 14:14 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: i will try reviewing add name for audit patches tomarrow https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-name-for-audit+(status:open) | 14:15 |
| adisky_ | #action adisky review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-name-for-audit+(status:open) | 14:15 |
| suzhengwei | thx. | 14:16 |
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| adisky_ | suzhengwei: do you want to discuss something, or we should end meeting?? | 14:16 |
| suzhengwei | we should focus on blueprint for queue-1 firstly. | 14:17 |
| suzhengwei | what is the other bp? | 14:17 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503171/ | 14:17 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei: This needs workflow, | 14:18 |
| suzhengwei | en | 14:18 |
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| suzhengwei | let's end the meeting? | 14:19 |
| adisky_ | suzhengwei yes | 14:19 |
| suzhengwei | bye | 14:20 |
| adisky_ | bye | 14:20 |
| adisky_ | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 18 15:58:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:58 |
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| inc0 | #topic w00t for kolla! | 15:58 |
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| duonghq | wOOt \o -o- \o/ | 15:58 |
| inc0 | o/ | 15:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:00 |
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| gema | o/ | 16:00 |
| chason | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | hi gema | 16:00 |
| gema | duonghq: :) | 16:01 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:01 |
| duonghq | hi Vikram | 16:01 |
| hrw | o/ | 16:01 |
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| britthouser | 0/ | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:03 | |
| inc0 | 1. zuulv3 is here | 16:03 |
| inc0 | which means we don't have gates until we finish working on them | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | so please don't approve any changes until that happens | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://review.openstack.org/508661 | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://review.openstack.org/508759 | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | any review is welcome | 16:05 |
| inc0 | any community announcements? (we'll discuss gates later) | 16:05 |
| inc0 | guess not:) | 16:05 |
| inc0 | #topic gates | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gates (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:05 | |
| inc0 | ^ links | 16:05 |
| inc0 | so current status | 16:05 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508661/ <- build gates are green, I guess we could merge it | 16:06 |
| inc0 | just to have build gates | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | for deploy gates we need to first merge kolla-ansible gates | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | so please cores review and merge | 16:07 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508759/ <- this is almost finished, should be done today, also please merge when gates gets green | 16:08 |
| inc0 | so when these two gets merged | 16:08 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512779/ <- this is wip, multinode gates | 16:08 |
| inc0 | and we'll need one more to do deploy gates in kolla | 16:09 |
| inc0 | after that plan go as follows: | 16:09 |
| inc0 | 1. Increase scenario amount in kolla-ansible | 16:09 |
| rwellum | o/ | 16:10 |
| inc0 | and per discussion in ptg, we won't run binary images in ansible regular gates | 16:10 |
| inc0 | (I'll get to that in a second) | 16:10 |
| inc0 | so 3 options, all source, per scenario | 16:10 |
| inc0 | 2. make periodical gates for kolla | 16:11 |
| inc0 | now that's going to be interesting | 16:11 |
| gema | how periodical? daily? weekly? | 16:12 |
| inc0 | dunno yet, doesn't really matter, daily ideally | 16:12 |
| gema | ok, so all scenario tests should run daily | 16:12 |
| britthouser | yeah daily sounds good | 16:12 |
| inc0 | yeah, that will build images, run all scenarios available | 16:12 |
| gema | k | 16:12 |
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| inc0 | and it will be connected to dockerhub publisher | 16:12 |
| inc0 | we'll also need to figure out way to easily observe results | 16:13 |
| inc0 | maybe irc bot? | 16:13 |
| inc0 | dunno yet | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | irc bot is a good idea. | 16:13 |
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| inc0 | we will want to publish images afterwards | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | and failed periodic jobs will trigger a special email in ML. | 16:15 |
| inc0 | dunno yet, we don't want to spam | 16:15 |
| inc0 | but we'll figure it out later | 16:15 |
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| Jeffrey4l | this is already exist ;) | 16:15 |
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| inc0 | ok, well, anyway, discuss when we're there;) | 16:16 |
| inc0 | so comments? | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | about push images. will we push branch images? | 16:16 |
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| inc0 | master and all stable, yes | 16:17 |
| inc0 | no tags yet | 16:17 |
| inc0 | top of branch is important because priority usage is gates | 16:17 |
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| inc0 | but it will be very useful for everyone | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | to docker hub or openstack infra registry? | 16:17 |
| inc0 | both | 16:17 |
| inc0 | latter doesn't exist yet | 16:17 |
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| gema | inc0: do you want a spec for all this work? or do I keep it on the blueprint? | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | tags is more stable to use especially in docker hub | 16:18 |
| inc0 | I'm thinking about pushing straight to dockerhub now, for gates | 16:18 |
| gema | inc0: haven't had time to start digging but I am going to start now | 16:18 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:18 |
| inc0 | yeah, but one thing at the time, any images will be useful and tarballs might stop working | 16:18 |
| sdake | late start today - apologies | 16:18 |
| inc0 | gema: if you want to help, start by reviewing these 2 changes we linked | 16:19 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am thinking push tag images to docker hub and branch images to openstack infra registry. | 16:19 |
| gema | inc0: ack | 16:19 |
| inc0 | everything else depends on them | 16:19 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l: reason I want to have branch images is that we want images asap, and we need branch images anyway | 16:19 |
| inc0 | also, I'm reluctant to say that tag images are more stable than stable branch ones | 16:20 |
| inc0 | yes, some more testing there, but less bugs fixed | 16:20 |
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| inc0 | and when we tag our code and fix bug, fix goes to stable branch | 16:21 |
| inc0 | so it'll always be more stable than tagged code | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | aha. | 16:24 |
| Jeffrey4l | what's the status of infra registry? any process ? | 16:24 |
| inc0 | only scenario when thats not true is when our bugfix destabilizes code | 16:24 |
| inc0 | that's why we'll have a lot of gates there | 16:24 |
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| inc0 | nothing, they were busy with zuulv3 | 16:24 |
| inc0 | I keep asking and I think we'll get to it soon | 16:24 |
| inc0 | but until we do it, I was thinking of pushing straight to dockerhub/quay | 16:25 |
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| inc0 | and use this + cache proxy in nodepools | 16:25 |
| inc0 | we'll see, I'll need to discuss this with infra | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | roger, thx | 16:26 |
| inc0 | any questions guys? | 16:27 |
| rwellum | I have an unrelated question for the open forum. | 16:28 |
| inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:28 |
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| inc0 | shoot:) | 16:28 |
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| inc0 | rwellum: | 16:29 |
| rwellum | Well my question is about kolla-k8s - I've spoken to a few people privately. We have a long roadmap to get to 1.0, formalized at the PTG - but very few people working on it. As regulars have backed away. Sydney summit coming up - where do we stand? | 16:29 |
| rwellum | (I'm a slow typer inc0 ) | 16:29 |
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| inc0 | well, nothing much changed from PTG - we need to finish up orchestration | 16:30 |
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| rwellum | We have the one playbook in review - yes. | 16:31 |
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| rwellum | I have my tool in review too - but it's unstable because I can't seem to get a working pike+ OS. | 16:31 |
| inc0 | we need ansible, yes | 16:31 |
| pbourke | folks seem to be moving ahead with openstack-helm | 16:32 |
| pbourke | whats the main difference between it and kolla-k8s as of today | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | there is some difference | 16:32 |
| sdake | rwellum back away is the wrong terminooogy - have other things to do is more accurate | 16:32 |
| inc0 | main one is control over what's happening to your deployment | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | as in, with kolla-k8s you have much more detailed control over it | 16:32 |
| inc0 | super useful for brownfield deployments | 16:33 |
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| gema | rwellum: how many people are there in kolla-k8s? | 16:33 |
| rwellum | gema: that's more a question to inc0 really | 16:33 |
| rwellum | I know that the three people I worked with are all very hard to get hold of now. | 16:34 |
| inc0 | that was main reason openstack helm wanted their own project - disagreement regarding granularity of charts | 16:34 |
| rwellum | Each of them has told me they are working on other things | 16:34 |
| inc0 | if you ask me it's not too big difference, but we're in mess we are | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | yeah, series of unfortunate events in corporate worlds too | 16:34 |
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| gema | well, I have a hire in flight, once we get it we'll be able to pitch in as well | 16:35 |
| inc0 | that'd be awesome | 16:35 |
| rwellum | inc0: I think the granularity of charts has coalesced though. Both projects can do micro and macro services. | 16:36 |
| inc0 | thing about kolla kubernetes vs os-helm is that I, for one, believe we will have better architecture at the end | 16:36 |
| inc0 | took me a while to understand where it'll shine but that's what I believe now | 16:36 |
| rwellum | The difference is in the orchestration - os-helm does it via helm charts - we generate the helm charts using the config method that kolla-ansible uses. | 16:37 |
| rwellum | So they claim readibility | 16:37 |
| inc0 | you mean config files? | 16:37 |
| rwellum | Yes. | 16:37 |
| sdake | the other main difference is that kolla-k8s has a very complete implmeentation of ironic | 16:37 |
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| sdake | it is possible, for example, to spawn new nodes via ironic - and have that dynamically expand the control and compute planes | 16:38 |
| inc0 | no, biggest difference is microcharts | 16:38 |
| inc0 | in osh you have chart neutron | 16:38 |
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| inc0 | we have chart neutron-database-init | 16:38 |
| inc0 | which means you can *just* initialize database | 16:38 |
| inc0 | something extreamally useful for brownfield-like scenarios | 16:38 |
| inc0 | this granularity gives us control over flow of deployment | 16:39 |
| inc0 | problem is it hurts readibility | 16:39 |
| inc0 | (golang template language doesn't help too) | 16:39 |
| rwellum | +1 inc0 for that explanation. | 16:40 |
| pbourke | ++ | 16:40 |
| pbourke | appreciate it | 16:40 |
| inc0 | I'd really love to merge projects at some point, but reason we don't is that our condition is this brownfield compatibility | 16:41 |
| rwellum | Big difference though is the community. I have an issue with kolla-k8s and post it on os-kolla - usually crickets when people realize I'm talking k8s. On os-helm you can see they are really reactive. Because everyone there is working on the same project - have the same goals. | 16:41 |
| inc0 | well, that's true | 16:41 |
| inc0 | ATT funds project | 16:42 |
| inc0 | nobody funds kolla-k8s | 16:42 |
| rwellum | But inc0 kolla-k8s is not even at 1.0. Why do we care about browfield at this point? Get greenfield working. | 16:42 |
| gema | rwellum: do you have time to put into it? | 16:42 |
| inc0 | reason I believe brownfield is even more important than greenfield | 16:42 |
| gema | cos I am sure inc0 would love that :D | 16:43 |
| inc0 | is that most of people who wants openstack, already does have openstack | 16:43 |
| inc0 | gema: rwellum puts a lot of time in it | 16:43 |
| rwellum | gema: my management is expecting me to deliver. If no kolla-k8s then os-helm or pivot as needed. | 16:43 |
| gema | inc0: I know | 16:43 |
| gema | rwellum: understood | 16:43 |
| inc0 | community is this one company puts money in one project | 16:44 |
| inc0 | that's main reason why kolla-k8s have issues | 16:44 |
| inc0 | that's kinda the case for most of kolla forever, kolla-ansible had to go against fuel with no corporate support really | 16:44 |
| sdake | inc0 i htink what rwellum is say8iing is kolla-ansible is healthy - kolla-k8s less so | 16:45 |
| inc0 | yup, I know and agree | 16:45 |
| inc0 | I'm iterating reasons why we're in space we are | 16:45 |
| gema | inc0: back of the envelope calculation, how far is kolla-k8s from being ready , in terms of effort? | 16:46 |
| inc0 | and why I'm not super eager to kill project (it might actually be better at the end of the day) | 16:46 |
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| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473588/ this review | 16:46 |
| inc0 | and few more, but when this one works | 16:46 |
| inc0 | we'll be in much better place | 16:46 |
| gema | ok, will have a look tomorrow | 16:47 |
| inc0 | thanks | 16:47 |
| sdake | ya - if people can taek that review on - kolla-k8s is pretty close technically to go | 16:47 |
| rwellum | Me too - I have been following but haven't reviewed for a while | 16:47 |
| gema | rwellum, inc0: let's keep this conversation alive in the channel and keep pushing for that review | 16:47 |
| inc0 | right, it might not seem so, but really it's not that far | 16:48 |
| gema | will have kevin look into it too | 16:48 |
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| gema | (linaro's kevin) | 16:48 |
| rwellum | Ok - that'd be appreciated. And if kolla-k8s questions come in, kolla-ansible folk should also answer if possible IMO. | 16:48 |
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| rwellum | gema: ^^ | 16:48 |
| inc0 | rwellum: problem is, not many ansible folk can understand | 16:48 |
| inc0 | kolla-k8s | 16:48 |
| rwellum | My argument is they need too :) | 16:48 |
| inc0 | that's one more thing I'm struggling with | 16:49 |
| inc0 | you can't force understanding | 16:49 |
| gema | maybe we should organise a training session | 16:49 |
| inc0 | as much as you don't fully understand ansible piece | 16:49 |
| rwellum | You can't but also a lot of the problems are OS or container based - k8s usually stays out of the way. | 16:49 |
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| rwellum | Those anyone of the cores on here could answer. | 16:49 |
| rwellum | For example, cinder is crashing in Pike for me. I am sure that's no a k8s problem. Now getting to the logs is different and has to be learned. | 16:50 |
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| * rwellum not sure why I keep typing 'no' instead of 'not'... | 16:51 | |
| rwellum | Anyway I am glad I raised my concerns here. Be happy if we can keep this alive. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah, and getting logs out is actually k8s specific | 16:52 |
| inc0 | anyway, your concerns are correct | 16:52 |
| rwellum | Thanks inc0, gema and sdake | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | what we'd really need is one or two people full time in kolla-k8s | 16:52 |
| rwellum | My hand is raised, but not at the level of sbezverk kfox1111 sdake yet | 16:53 |
| inc0 | that's main difference between us and osh in terms of community | 16:53 |
| inc0 | let's get you to that level then | 16:53 |
| inc0 | and make this a priority | 16:53 |
| inc0 | gema: if Kevin would want to join in, let's do this too | 16:54 |
| rwellum | Sounds good to me | 16:54 |
| inc0 | I mean your idea about training session is great imho | 16:54 |
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| inc0 | I could use it as well tbh;) | 16:54 |
| inc0 | maybe series of hangouts with kfox1111? | 16:55 |
| rwellum | gema: my toolin review has a training mode - where it stops and attempts to explain what is going on. | 16:55 |
| rwellum | inc0: +1 | 16:55 |
| inc0 | ok, I'll talk with kfox1111 when he's around and we'll organize something | 16:56 |
| rwellum | gema: are you going to Sydney? | 16:56 |
| rwellum | thanks inc0 | 16:56 |
| gema | rwellum: nope | 16:56 |
| rwellum | Gah. | 16:56 |
| gema | rwellum: too long trip for three days, had to pass :) | 16:56 |
| rwellum | Understood | 16:56 |
| gema | gotta run guys, we'll keep talking | 16:56 |
| inc0 | ok, we're at the time | 16:57 |
| inc0 | thank you all! | 16:57 |
| inc0 | and remember them gate reviews | 16:57 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 18 16:57:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-18-15.58.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-18-15.58.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-18-15.58.log.html | 16:57 |
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