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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:01 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 08:01:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-05-08.01.html | 08:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-05-08.01.txt | 08:01 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 14:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| gb21 | hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone! | 14:00 |
| McClymontS | Hey all | 14:00 |
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| croelandt | hey | 14:01 |
| arcolife | \o | 14:01 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | arcolife sorry i didn't make it to the import testing meeting ... hope it was productive | 14:01 |
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| arcolife | rosmaita, no worries. abhishekk's UTC +5:30 fits well with our schedule :) | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | i've got a hard stop at 14:45 today, so let's get started | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | spec freeze is tomorrow at 23:59 | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #topic spec review | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "spec review (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| rosmaita | i have an etherpad, let's go through the open specs real quickly to see what's up | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-queens-spec-review | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ok, i am -2 on pending delete rollback proposal | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | any contrary opinions? | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | we can revisit it in next cycle | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | good enough | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | skip ossn-0075 for now | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | hide old images from default image-list | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | i don't see us having dev power ATM to do that, i think we should continue to refine it during the cycle and add to untargeted | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | i like your idea of adding property instead of visibility | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk cool! | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: good on blocking those 2, I think the hiding as it is I'm leaned to -2 it and having it in the design of our lifecycle management planning rather than implement just that on it's own | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | we may have some people joining us as the cycle develops | 14:06 |
| McClymontS | I like the general idea | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | ok, we'll not approve now, but agree to continue looking into this for R | 14:06 |
| McClymontS | table it | 14:07 |
| McClymontS | agreed there | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | next up, multihash | 14:07 |
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| McClymontS | Believe the current spec is up to date on replies | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | that looks pretty ready to go, if zuul will let it through | 14:08 |
| McClymontS | Yeah looks like an issue with Zuul yesterday on a post failure | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | i am +2 on that , and i think maybe jokke_ is too? | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | yeah, I did not +2 it due to check failure | 14:09 |
| McClymontS | will recheck today | 14:09 |
| McClymontS | get it through the CI tests | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | so the only revisions at this point would be if there's a syntax thing (doesn't look like that's the case though) | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | but the proposal as it is now looks fine. I'm not convinced we should have that update on download there, but that can be debated during the implementation | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i thought the update on download was removed? | 14:10 |
| McClymontS | Got removed and became a discussion work item I believe | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | scott? | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | McClymontS: oh hi there! Good to have you onboard | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:10 |
| McClymontS | Whats up, my pleasure to be here | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | then that's all set | 14:10 |
| McClymontS | I think its now a work item to merely discuss | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, inject metadata properties | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so I just realized I have that daumn conversion spec to write | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | I totally forgot on the move hassle | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | will have that up tonight | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ i am thinking that is part of the IIR (more or less) | 14:11 |
| McClymontS | jokke_ let me know when its up I'll try to review asap | 14:11 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: if so, then I'm good with that ... can odcument it in a form of spec lite just to describe it | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ sounds good, let's do that | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | as the conversion is not part of the original spec discussion | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | regarding inject metadata properties, I have uploaded the new specs just few hours before | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will read through after the meeting | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | looks like erno is +2 | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i don't anticipate any problems | 14:13 |
| McClymontS | Nice | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | ok, add basic quotas | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i think we have to postpone that | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | but we do need to do something in Rocky | 14:14 |
| McClymontS | I will volunteer now to research that for R | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | I will have a look on those as well | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, we should have a quotas meeting in a week or so to get scott up to speed on what the concerns are | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | McClymontS you can be the quotas working group chair | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | sure | 14:15 |
| McClymontS | Awesome let me know when it meets | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | I should be more or less on normal full blast next week ... Should get my internet finally sorted at Monday | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | McClymontS will be up to you! | 14:15 |
| McClymontS | Alright sounds good I will be sure to reach out | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | McClymontS what i mean is that you can drive the effort to make sure we talk about quotas enough during queens so that we'll be ready to do something in R | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | next up is language neutralization | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | McClymontS: I'm on GMT+1 due to dst still so please take that to account when scheduling and abhishekk is +5.5 ;) | 14:16 |
| McClymontS | Sure thing all, I am in 7-5/530 EST most days so I can generally find time | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i think this is uncontroversial, let's get some +2s on it and move to untargeted | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | queens community goal | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | has one +2, i wrote it, so it's up to jokke_ ... | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | it's kind of a drag, but i think we need to do it | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | do you have link for that? Can't seem to find it | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501869/ | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | sorry, being lazy | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | finally, scrubber refactor | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507908/ | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | that's the policy in goal, not the lang neuut | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | we really need to do this one, and wxy has committed to working on it | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ sorry, didn't know which you wanted | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | language neutralization: https://review.openstack.org/508566 | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | ok that one ... weird it did not pop up on my spec search :( | 14:22 |
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| jokke_ | so ... what config options we have there specifically that are affected? | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | ./ | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_ don't know off the top of my head | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | just wondering if it will make sense to wrap them instead of renaming them. What comes to the exceptions etc. I'm fully on board as we are pretty much wrapping them already in many places | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | actually the exceptions look fine, as far as the class names go | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | it's just the message text for exceptions | 14:24 |
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| jokke_ | ok, so we can look into that during the work, I was just hoping we had list somewhere as the config options were specifically mentioned as I can't recall any | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | i don't know about the config opts, can't remember off the top of my head | 14:24 |
| McClymontS | To clarify thats a community goal too right? | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | no, that's just for Glare | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | but there definitely is config options calling out "image"? | 14:24 |
| McClymontS | oh okay my bdad | 14:24 |
| McClymontS | oh okay my bad | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ i believe so, but don't remember | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | that's going to go into untargeted anyway | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ok, I'll check and give my review later today, NP | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | let's ignore it for now | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i will research the config opt situation and put up a new patch | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | key thing is to get the scrubber approved | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, now the elephant in the room, the ossn-0075 spec | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | I keep eye on it an once we get zuul result for it will cast my +2 | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468179/ | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | scrubber ^^ that is | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i figured :) | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | ok, so the ossn-0075 fix | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | proposal is to restrict it by policy, default no one can do it (where "it" is specify an image uuid on image-create) | 14:28 |
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| jokke_ | and my -2 stands on that approach | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | ok, i can respect that | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | but i think we should do it anyway | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | operators are on board | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | api-wg is on board | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | there is so far nothing that has came up why we should do that instead of the less intrusive ways to track and sort the issue | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | and i do not want to implement any code that requires an unbounded size DB table | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ ^^ | 14:29 |
| McClymontS | agreed on the DB point | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | there is even operator support for not allowing the functionality at all | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i think the policy is a good compromise | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | but i don't want to mess around with a complicated fix for a low-usage feature | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I think it's quite biased to go that far based on one operator review | 14:32 |
| McClymontS | tough to find a middle ground on this imo | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ point taken, but it's all the data we have | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | the most alarming thing is 1/2 the respondants were not aware of OSSN-0075 | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | but that is a different issue | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i think that we have the ability in queens to search for image by sha512 | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I'd bet 100% of those were not aware of the db-purge with never had need to use it | 14:33 |
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| rosmaita | my feeling is if you are running a small cloud, do what you want (and you can by policy) | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | if you are running a large cloud, you do not want to allow this | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: we have ability to search images with all kind of parameters, but there is 1 of them you can pass to nova and happens to be unique | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yes, but you can get it by querying glance first | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | look if people really want to enable this, the policy allows that | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | but we do not recommend it | 14:35 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: I'd say policy restricting this (as using policies for about anything else as well) is one of those things that just throws all the interoperability discussion out of the window | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | well, i completely disagree for this case | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | as i wrote on the spec | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | you have to be open to the possibility that the uuid is in use | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | and in that case, you either have a plan B or no plan | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | so same situation with the policy configuration | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | true, at which point you can always retry, it does not mean that every single uuid is in use like the policy makes it look like | 14:37 |
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| rosmaita | yes, but like i said, if you're use case is to give your image in region A the same UUID as in region B, and it fails, you are NOT going to try again anyway | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i really don't see this as a big interoperability issue | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | and i don't want to fix a security problem with an implementation that allows a linear DOS attack | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | the spec was metioned on the operators' list twice | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: well between regions/clouds you would. Like your own example where you have the external (Jenkins or what ever job) creating the images, you can allways retry with new uuid before uploading any of them ... uuid collisions are extremely rare after all | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | once when it was introduced, and then last week | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ look, if you are doing all that with jenkins, you can be creative and work something out | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | key think is the ossn was issued in sept 2016 | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | we need to do something | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | so I assume we won't get an agreement over next 15min so let's continue this offline and move on for now | 14:42 |
| McClymontS | Agreed, I am pretty split as well.. although I don't have as much background I will try to get up to speed to help out | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all then ... i just realized that i never heard from interop people about this | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | i will ping them again | 14:42 |
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| rosmaita | let's agree to continue discussion and give this a spec freeze exception | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | it needs to be fixed in queens, no question about that | 14:43 |
| McClymontS | Awesome, we can circle back over the next day to discuss | 14:43 |
| McClymontS | or even next week | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | #topic Glance Bug for Oslo.policy authorization request | 14:43 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1720354 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1720354 in Glance "Glance doesn't send correctly authorization request to Oslo policy" [Undecided,New] | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | i have not had time to look at this, but someone was going to lead discussion? | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | this is interesting one, I tried to read it through few times. Anyone able to explain to me in simple English what's actually broken? | 14:44 |
| asteroide_ | Hello, my collegue ans fill this bug | 14:44 |
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| asteroide_ | in fact we develop a new solution for authorization in Openstack | 14:45 |
| asteroide_ | and we found this | 14:45 |
| asteroide_ | when we need to authorize a particular action you send though oslo_policy some information | 14:46 |
| asteroide_ | for example "openstack create image ..." | 14:46 |
| asteroide_ | this action is sent to oslo_policy and then to our framework the the http_check in oslo_policy | 14:47 |
| croelandt | Has this ever worked? | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | I was not aware that we can define something like '"add_image": "http://moon:8081/authz/wrapper"' in policy | 14:47 |
| asteroide_ | with the basic check (ie policy.json) it works | 14:47 |
| croelandt | If you look at my comments on this bug, you can see why I'm wondering that :) | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | asteroide_: so you're pointing the policy engine to external uri and you control that external uri via some inhouse code and that doesn't work? | 14:48 |
| asteroide_ | yes | 14:48 |
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| asteroide_ | there is an error in oslo_policy due to the content of the information given by glance | 14:49 |
| asteroide_ | oslo_policy cannot deep copying the value | 14:49 |
| croelandt | + cant call keys(), + cannot use jsonutils.dump() on it | 14:49 |
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| jokke_ | asteroide_: so I just had a quick glance through our policy documentation and I don't see any reference us allowing URIs as our policy rules. And this is the first use case I've heard for such | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | I did not know that oslo.policy even supports such | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | me neither | 14:53 |
| asteroide_ | it works for nova and keystone | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | me too | 14:53 |
| asteroide_ | We already had discussion with the oslo team | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | so I'd be inclined to state this is not a bug | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | sounds like a feature enhancement? | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | so we need to adopt that support? | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | that's my feeling as well | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | asteroide_ we need some clarity around exactly what the problem is | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | if we are breaking oslo, then it's a bug | 14:54 |
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| rosmaita | but if we are not supporting something exceeding oslo.policy, then it is not a bug | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | and if oslo.policy is evolving to support something new, then it's somewhere in between | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | guess it would be a spec lite, assuming the oslo.policy change does not break backward compat | 14:55 |
| McClymontS | need more on this one | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | asteroide_ do you understand our questions? | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | I will have a look around nova and glance implementation | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | let's discuss this again next week | 14:56 |
| asteroide_ | rosmaita: yes | 14:56 |
| McClymontS | Awesome sounds good to me | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | sorry that the spec discussion took so long | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | ok, asteroide_ i will put it first on agenda for next week | 14:56 |
| asteroide_ | ok | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | #topic general discussion | 14:56 |
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| rosmaita | i'm going to have to run in a minute | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | but anyone have a general comment or concern? | 14:57 |
| McClymontS | Same here, will recheck multihash today | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | Just, I'd like to get common understanding about our spec freeze | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | if time permits please have a look on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433934 during this week | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | as there has been plenty of zuul issues lately, do we agree that the ones we discussed today and are comfy to implement during this cycle will be ok going in past the freeze _if_ the delay is due to gating issues? | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | yes, agreed | 14:59 |
| McClymontS | definitely agreed | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | as in let's not get stuck in technicalities :) | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | agreed | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | cool ... I keep an eye on stuff and rather recheck than block anything that seems to be delayed | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 14:59:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-10-05-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-10-05-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-10-05-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 16:08 |
| hwoarang | o/ | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 16:10:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is evrardjp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | #topic rollcall | 16:10 |
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| hwoarang | #info hwoarang | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | am I at the right time? | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | or did I confuse timezones again? | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | The agenda for the meeting is set at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:12 |
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| evrardjp | Has someone something to add to the agenda? | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | I'll take that as a no. | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | #topic summit sydney | 16:13 |
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| evrardjp | don't hesitate to add your stuff on the etherpad | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-sydney-summit-planning | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | anything else for the summit? | 16:13 |
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| evrardjp | ok next topic. | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:15 |
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| andymccr | o/ missed the start - sorry | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | so, openstack-ansible-security and zuul v3 has delayed us since last week | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | releases just merged a patch that would allow us to release | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | so now the next step is getting the last +2 +w on our releases by stable team | 16:16 |
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| evrardjp | (we'll discuss that part in the open discussion) | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | On the topic of releases still, my toolkit works and is branch independant | 16:17 |
| andymccr | nice! | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | I used it for releasing Newton | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | it works same for master if anyone wants to do a milestone | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | I didn't work on the role file sync, because it's kinda messy, and I expect this to be done either manually or we have to patch it on a case by case basis | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:18 |
| hwoarang | o/ | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | yo yo. | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | the work of odyssey4me in the future could help there | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | stable team? the stable team shouldn't have to review our release patches | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | that's not technically true | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | it is - we do not assert the stable tag, therefore they do not need to be involved | 16:19 |
| hwoarang | evrardjp: i didn't get your comment about the role file sync | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | andymccr sorted that out last cycle | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: oh | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | I thought we had | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | that's good then | 16:20 |
| andymccr | yeah - they should just merge it but there is a new releases PTL so maybe just have the conversations | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | I've seen tripleO just removed their stable policy too | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | if we want to assert the stable tag, that's different - but then we only assert it from this cycle forward and it doesn't affect older releases as far as I know | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | ok I thought we had | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | no let's keep it that way. | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | hwoarang: the file sync is some code we run when we bump upstream project shas. | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | basically we bump their included files in the appropriate roles (like templates) | 16:21 |
| hwoarang | do you mean the sources-branch-updater? | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | that could change with odyssey4me's latest changes | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | hwoarang: yes it's in the sources-branch-updater script right now | 16:21 |
| hwoarang | ok | 16:22 |
| hwoarang | do what's the way forward | 16:22 |
| hwoarang | because as you know we use that in opnfv | 16:22 |
| hwoarang | we want to be able to bump roles&projects | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp the reason that stuff was branch specific is because each series has differing files to copy to templates, and differing things to edit in those files | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | that's why I'd like to have odyssey4me's opinion on the file inclusion in wheels | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: yes. I agree. | 16:22 |
| hwoarang | *s/do/so/ | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | but yeah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1718356 is trying to bring the files into the wheel instead | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718356 in Ironic "Include default config files in python wheel" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Jesse Pretorius (jesse-pretorius) | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: could you update us on the file inclusion in wheels? | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | what's the status there? I saw there were more comments | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | if you could all help rally support for this in the ML thread I'd appreciate it - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122794.html | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | if you have any RDO/SUSE/Ubuntu packager contacts, please have them respond | 16:24 |
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| * hwoarang is making a mental note | 16:24 | |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp right now nothing has changed - we need packagers to agree that including these files is fine | 16:24 |
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| hwoarang | odyssey4me: will fwd that to our cloud team, hopefully someone will reply back | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | awesome, thanks hwoarang | 16:25 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: ok. Do we need a WG/SIG to be formed as a valid instance of that? or would an OK from each PTL/responsible would be enough? | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | an OK on the ML will do | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | ok. | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | #action ask RDO/SUSE/Ubuntu packager contacts to reply "OK" on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122794.html | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | next | 16:26 |
| hwoarang | wait wait | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | I don't have the time to run a SIG for packaging, and every packager has different ways of doing things so it seems it'd be a bit of a time waster anyway. | 16:26 |
| * hwoarang puts his opnfv hat back | 16:27 | |
| hwoarang | so, in the future, will we still be able to bump packages&roles as we do today? | 16:27 |
| evrardjp | still on releases topic | 16:27 |
| evrardjp | yes | 16:27 |
| hwoarang | ok | 16:27 |
| * hwoarang takes his opnfv hat off | 16:27 | |
| odyssey4me | yes, that will just remove some of the machinery for keeping the templates up to date | 16:27 |
| hwoarang | ok thank you for the clarification | 16:28 |
| evrardjp | hwoarang: the idea of writing this release toolkit was 1) refresh for me while andymccr was not there :p 2) simplifying this 3) make sure it could be externally re-used by anyone without real complexity 4) document it | 16:28 |
| * cloudnull is picturing what an opnfv hat looks like | 16:28 | |
| odyssey4me | like a cloud hat, but with more clouds | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | the only part missing is a gap that odyssey4me could be filling, else we'd just keep the source branch updater for that, and fix it appropriately. | 16:29 |
| hwoarang | fair enough | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | so | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | for releases | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/29/f4/9f29f4176afaa6fe7f20e2f3885bea8b.jpg got it | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | Newton EOL is next week | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | haha | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: that could be worse | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | RIP newton :( | 16:30 |
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| cloudnull | death to newton. | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | so I'll try to follow our idea of 2 weeks, but like I said last week, special events mandate for a release, so this is one | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | glad to be rid of ansible 2.1 though :) | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: we're not at 2.4 yet :p | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | glad to be rid of trusty | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: +1 | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | ah yes, that too | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | so technically the next days we should have a release for "last month end of month" | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | I was surprised to still see quite a few upstream patches going into newton still | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp I'm not sure I understand what you mean. | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | anyway, let's continue our discussion for today, you are just informed that newton will get something new. | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | Now I'm even more confused. | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | let me rephrase all this conversation, without interruptions: | 16:32 |
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| evrardjp | 1) We should have released end of september. We didn't due to Zuul and many other issues. 2) These are on the way to get resolved. In the next days, we should have a release for all our branches | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | ah ok, so we're back on the release train is what you're saying | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | 3) A few days even after that, we're gonna hit Newton-EOL. We're gonna issue yet again another release, just for newton this time, to include all the EOL tags | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | okie dokey :) | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | 4) Then we can continue the release train like nothing happened, unless Zuul v3 come strike again | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | that's the summary | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | ok let's move to a different topic | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | #topic Blueprint work | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint work (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:35 | |
| evrardjp | any update here? | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | or should we continue? | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | I have no particular updates at this time. | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | ok let's move to a new topic | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | me neither | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | #topic Open discussion - Liaisons Appointement | 16:36 |
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| cloudnull | oooo. can someone go review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476121/? | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | After a discussion with a few of you already, I got a few liaisons in stable, vulnerability management/security, infra | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull looks like that need evrardjp's eye? | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | that's my only spec update. | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | anyway, carry on | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | I'd be happy if ppl interested by doing a liaison in Release/Docs/Product/I18n/Cross-Project Spec would come forward | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | that's it for that topic | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | (please contact me on irc) | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | #topic Open Discussion - Role maturity | 16:38 |
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| evrardjp | conforming to what was discussed at the PTG, I need some votes on | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504279/ | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | thanks cloudnull for already voting on that | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | When this merges, I can go forward with the list of "bad sheep" (if that translates) and send an email to the ML for a call to contributions | 16:39 |
| evrardjp | the role maturity would then be updated too | 16:39 |
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| evrardjp | anyone has anything to add there? | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | I think we can discuss in the review | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | #topic Open Discussion - Meetings reduction | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion - Meetings reduction (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:40 | |
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| cloudnull | I think it'd be a good idea to start working on zuulv3 configs | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | I've sent a mail on the ML about the meeting reductions, nobody was strongly against, nobody talked to me against it | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | for the IRR | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | basically after the first switch, everything was busted. | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: (I agree, but could we discuss that later... it's almost done) | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | if we can get ahead of that for the next switch it'd be great | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | even if its all still busted, it'd be good to have a head start on the busted-ness. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123028.html | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | we have a few cores that didn't vote on that, I am sad. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | see also | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-meetings-planification | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | So I suggest, starting from next week, we meet only on Tuesday 16:00 to 17:00 | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | UTC | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | (current bug triage timeslot) | 16:43 |
| hwoarang | sounds good | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | next week will be bug triage as usual | 16:44 |
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| evrardjp | so as a reminder, we'll have bug triages every week, except last week of the month, where a community meeting would happen instead | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | still on that topic, if you're interested by running those meetings (all of them), please contact me | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | I'd be happy to have someone with me :) | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | #action propose yourself as our next meeting organiser! | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | next | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | #topic Open Discussion -- for real this time | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion -- for real this time (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:46 | |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: ? | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: on the Zuul v3 I agree that we should spend some cycles on it. | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | The sooner the better, same as ansible 2.4 | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | also re: 2.4 | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | it looks like "- include: $playbook" is no longer supported | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | yes | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | import vs include | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | import for static include (fast) and include for dynamic | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | include still works, but yes they want us to use import now | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | include: it throws a deprecation warning now. | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | well we'll do with what we have. jmccrory already had a look on 2.4 with me on the ptg | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | cool | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | at the ptg* | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | did you have anything to add? | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | maybe re: hyper converged or anything? | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | ok let's close the meeting if no-one has anything to add | 16:52 |
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| evrardjp | thanks everyone for your participation | 16:52 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks evrardjp | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | and that's all folks! | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 16:52:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-10-05-16.10.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-10-05-16.10.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-10-05-16.10.log.html | 16:53 |
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| LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 17:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| LouisF | hi all | 17:00 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:00 |
| bcafarel | hello | 17:00 |
| LouisF | pcarver: hi | 17:01 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: ho | 17:01 |
| LouisF | #topic agenda | 17:01 |
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| LouisF | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting | 17:02 |
| bcafarel | LouisF: I added 2 items (mostly infra related), hope you don't mind | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | bcafarel: thanks | 17:02 |
| LouisF | #topic Zuul v3 migration | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul v3 migration (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:03 | |
| LouisF | bcafarel: over to you | 17:03 |
| bcafarel | zuulv3 migration has started (openstack-wide) | 17:04 |
| vks1 | hi all | 17:04 |
| bcafarel | some issues currently so it was rollbacked for now (zuulv2 as "Jenkins" does the gating jobs) | 17:05 |
| LouisF | vks1: hi | 17:05 |
| bcafarel | vks1: hello | 17:05 |
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| bcafarel | when the migration is resumed, we will have to check that the jobs (automatically converted) still work, or have to fix them | 17:05 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: i see zuul failures | 17:05 |
| bcafarel | and as second step we will be able to migrate the configuration inside the repo (nice to make changes) | 17:06 |
| bcafarel | LouisF: yes for now infra still has a few problems to solve (timeoutes, node failures, ...) | 17:06 |
| bcafarel | once they fix them we will see how it goes for our jobs (hopefully they should only require minor fixes) | 17:06 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: ok | 17:07 |
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| bcafarel | so you may see some Z-1 in the transition period, hopefully it will be easy | 17:07 |
| bcafarel | thanks LouisF we can go back to the usual topics | 17:08 |
| LouisF | #topic Split tempest plugin | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Split tempest plugin (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:08 | |
| bcafarel | :) | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | bcafarel: you mentioned in the last meeting we had work to do here | 17:08 |
| bcafarel | yes, I added it to the list to track progress here, as this is a queens global goal | 17:09 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: ok thanks | 17:09 |
| bcafarel | I started looking into it | 17:09 |
| bcafarel | we will have a separate new repo that holds the tempest plugin, and updated gate configuration to use it | 17:09 |
| bcafarel | for now I only created a placeholder repo, as most steps are blocked by zuulv3 migration (project-config repo is on hold for now) | 17:10 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: ok thankyou | 17:10 |
| LouisF | #topic API reference | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API reference (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:10 | |
| pcarver | Thomas Morin has offered to work on it. | 17:11 |
| LouisF | pcarver: i see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411409/ was abandoned | 17:11 |
| pcarver | I've done as much as I can and don't really have any more time to spend on it. | 17:11 |
| LouisF | pcarver: great, thankyou Thomas | 17:11 |
| pcarver | Armando is blocking the API reference until the API definition is merged. | 17:11 |
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| LouisF | pcarver: right | 17:12 |
| pcarver | I did as much as I could with the API Def, but I don't know what else to do with it. | 17:12 |
| bcafarel | hopefully with tmorin's help both can go in | 17:12 |
| pcarver | Hopefully Thomas can figure it out | 17:12 |
| LouisF | pcarver: we appreciate Thomas helping out | 17:12 |
| LouisF | #topic Tap SF | 17:13 |
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| vks1 | let me know if I can help out | 17:13 |
| LouisF | vks1: what is status? | 17:13 |
| vks1 | Me and amotoki are supposed to do in next week. he is on vacation. | 17:13 |
| vks1 | I have tried configuring the extension in test cases but it hasn't worked out | 17:14 |
| vks1 | so, probably on Monday we will debug more on this | 17:14 |
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| LouisF | vks1: ok thanks | 17:14 |
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| vks1 | that's the only thing blocking TAP SF | 17:14 |
| LouisF | #topic SFC graph | 17:15 |
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| LouisF | igordc: looks like merging... | 17:15 |
| amotoki | vks1: note that I cannot promise the exact date when I can help you more. It seems I have several things with more priority unitl the summit | 17:15 |
| vks1 | amotoki: you re back | 17:15 |
| vks1 | ? | 17:15 |
| LouisF | amotoki: appreciate your helping | 17:16 |
| amotoki | i am back this week but a week where I am back from a vacation is usually busy :) | 17:16 |
| bcafarel | :) | 17:16 |
| bcafarel | for graphs igordc is on another meeting, we checked a bit what was blocking the patches merging | 17:16 |
| bcafarel | LouisF: we had to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424370/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485594/ can you W+1 them again? (no change in code itself) | 17:17 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: ok | 17:17 |
| bcafarel | after that SFC graphs should be in entirely | 17:17 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: done | 17:18 |
| bcafarel | thanks LouisF next week we should be able to cross graphs off the todo list | 17:19 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: yes indeed | 17:19 |
| LouisF | #topic NSH dataplane | 17:19 |
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| LouisF | need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373465/ | 17:20 |
| bcafarel | ack, this one keeps going down my reviews list | 17:20 |
| bcafarel | I'll try to find some time beginning of next week to take a look | 17:21 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: thanks | 17:21 |
| LouisF | #topic Non-transparent SF | 17:21 |
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| LouisF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481840/ merged | 17:21 |
| LouisF | coding work underway, patches available later this month | 17:22 |
| LouisF | #topic OVN work | 17:22 |
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| LouisF | i think John has been tied up with other work | 17:23 |
| LouisF | #topic other items | 17:23 |
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| LouisF | anything else to discuss? | 17:23 |
| bcafarel | yes, last time we talked about it he mentioned he would be quite busy this time of year | 17:23 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: yes | 17:24 |
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| bcafarel | another thing we will probably have to fix with zuulv3 migration, grafana dashboard will require a fix (as job names change). Nothing too complicated, but mentioning it here so I do not forget about it :) | 17:24 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: yes thanks | 17:25 |
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| LouisF | in general i think we are in good position for Queens deliveries: SFC graph, Tap SF, NSH, Non-transparent | 17:26 |
| LouisF | plus infra work | 17:26 |
| bcafarel | nice, that will be an interesting release | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | ok, thats all i have, thanks all | 17:27 |
| vks1 | thanks | 17:27 |
| LouisF | vks1: bye | 17:27 |
| bcafarel | thanks and bye! | 17:27 |
| LouisF | bye all | 17:27 |
| csun | bye all | 17:28 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-10-05-17.00.html | 17:28 |
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