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SridarKHi FWaaS folks14:00
yushiroHi all14:00
SarathMekalaHi all14:00
SridarK#startmeeting fwaas14:00
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openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  1 14:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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TuanVuHi everybody14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fwaas'14:00
-amotoki- lurks as background of neutron meeting14:00
SridarK#chair xgerman_ yushiro14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: SridarK xgerman_ yushiro14:00
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SridarKLets get started14:01
xgerman_o/14:01
SridarK#topic Pike14:01
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SridarKyushiro: chandanc: how are things looking with the L2 change14:02
SridarKs14:02
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yushiroOK, let me sync up my progress14:02
yushiro#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/14:02
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yushiroCurrently, my patch can work as I expected except illegal case.  Now ready for review.14:03
chandancSorry got disconnected14:03
yushiroRegarding race condition when handle_port, it means VM port creation could avoid by using local vlan manager.14:04
SridarKyushiro: ok, still some Jenkins issues14:05
yushiroI'm changing Unittest now.14:05
SridarKyushiro: ok14:05
yushiroIn plugin layer, we can call _core_plugin.get_port()  and it can get port_db.14:05
SridarKyushiro: yes14:06
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SridarKok14:06
yushiroHowever, in unittest, a return value of this method is missing 'binding:xxx' info.  As a result, we cannot get 'binding:host_id' ..14:06
yushirohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/39/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/fwaas_plugin_v2.py14:07
yushiroIn line 28014:07
yushiroIn devstack, we can get 'binding:xxx' info by using _core_plugin.get_port().14:08
yushiroSo, I'll dig more in UT.14:08
SridarKyushiro: yes sounds good14:09
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yushiroIn addition, I sent e-mail to folks about deleting firewall group constraint.14:09
SridarKwould this be the only thing that need to be fixed14:09
yushiroyes.14:10
yushiroCurrently, firewall group can not delete while status is 'ACTIVE'.14:10
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xgerman_doesn't this make sense14:10
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SridarKyushiro: yes this will need to be fixed given that our deployment model has changed14:11
chandancwhat should happen if the vm is deleted ?14:11
xgerman_if the vm is deleted the SG still hangs around14:11
xgerman_so I would expect the same for FWG14:12
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chandancbut i think the firewall rules for the port need to be cleaned up14:12
yushirochandanc, If VM is deleted, Vm port also deleted.14:12
xgerman_yes —14:12
chandanci hope we dont have a race there14:13
SridarKxgerman_: yes but we have slightly different approach mainly due to our L3 legacy14:13
SridarKchandanc: yes it may be harmless as the port is gone but still we will have unnecessary rules hanging around14:13
SridarKwe will need the cleanup14:13
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yushirochandanc, xgerman_ yes, when deleting VM instance, currently it raises in neutron-side.14:14
chandancok, will check if the port id is enough for cleanup14:14
reedip_hi14:14
reedip_sorry14:14
SridarKwe will need to check this14:14
yushiroI filed a bug report about it.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/170791314:14
reedip_really sorry14:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1707913 in neutron "OVS driver - OVSFWPortNotFound when deleting VM port affects agent extension framework" [Undecided,New]14:14
SridarKchandanc: yes14:14
xgerman_+114:14
SridarKok lets discuss more on this offline14:15
chandancthe only thing is the  contrack zone14:15
SridarKchandanc: how are things on ur end14:15
yushirochandanc, Yes, please check ovs-ofctl dump-flows br-int14:15
chandancI was with yushiro begining of the week14:15
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chandancbut couldnot do much for the delete case14:15
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chandancwe figuredout the create race14:16
SridarKchandanc: ok14:16
SridarKlets spend a few mins to make a call on L2 support for Pike14:16
chandanci will check how we can escape the delete race14:16
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SridarKchandanc: ok14:17
chandancok SridarK14:17
yushirochandanc, I found something delete case.  let's talk after this meeting  if you have time :)14:17
chandancsure14:17
reedip_looks like I gained an invisibility cloak before the meeting .... expecto patronum .... !14:17
SridarK:-)14:17
yushiroreedip_, :)  :)  :)14:18
xgerman_:-)14:18
yushiroreedip_, you're here :)14:18
reedip_Yes, reached a while back14:18
SridarKgiven where we stand do u think it is realistic to push for L2 support ?14:18
SridarKat the risk of getting something in where we have not had a chance to do some rigorous testing14:19
yushiroSridarK, yes, I'm concern about configurable patch for default fwg.14:19
xgerman_if we have it behind a feature flag I am ok with putting it in and saying that support is “experimental”14:20
reedip_in one word , no ... in a more descriptive format, considering that its feature freeze, it might introduce some issues14:20
xgerman_feature freeze only applies to new features — we still can finish our old ones ;-)14:21
reedip_however, we can introduce it as an experimental feature with some configuration option as NO  ( if we set it to yes then we can test the experimental features )14:21
chandancxgerman_: i too am worried about all the delete and default firewall group cases14:21
reedip_xgerman_ : L2 and default fwg are new features :)14:21
xgerman_yes, but we had patches out for a while14:21
yushirochandanc, deleted by admin?14:22
xgerman_so technically they are not affected by feature freeze…14:22
chandancdelete port from fwg should move to defaut fwg ?14:22
SridarKwe can take the approach of "disabled by default"14:23
chandanci am not sure of that use case14:23
reedip_xgerman_ though this is a question of perspective, I agree with you that we can push it in P314:23
yushirochandanc, yes14:23
chandancyushiro: lets speak after this meeting14:23
SridarKbut still we should feel confident as a team with some level of end to end testing14:23
yushirosure14:23
reedip_SridarK : lets take the vote on disabled by default ... what do you say ?14:23
reedip_Atleast it would guaruntee that we have time for testing and the feature can still be pushed into pike14:24
SridarKreedip_: my thought is that we will need to take this approach without question14:24
SridarKbut even with that we should not have open issues14:24
SridarKesp being a security featue14:24
SridarK*feature14:24
yushiroreedip_, SridarK sorry for confusing.  I'll do my best until FFE for configurable patch of default fwg.14:25
SridarKyushiro: no worries - it is good to have an open discussion14:25
xgerman_I am ok to push things with minor known bugs… but I am a bit more aggressive then most ;-)14:25
SridarKxgerman_: :-) no i agree as long as we have minor issues with well know caveats that we can release note14:26
reedip_:)14:26
xgerman_in any case we need to closely coordinate with Neutron since they are doing the release and have our FFEs filed, etc.14:27
yushiroSridarK, xgerman_ 1 question.  Should we send e-mail about FFE on ML?14:27
SridarKand definitely realistically we all have been juggling multiple things so the bandwidth allocation has been a challenge for all14:28
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chandancSo if we disable l2 by default, will the cli disable creation of FWG with l2 ports ?14:28
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SridarKchandanc: good point14:28
reedip_chandanc : CLI should check if L2 is available14:28
SarathMekalaeven the UI has to take this into account14:28
chandancreedip_: yes thats what i ment14:28
SridarKchandanc: we can always fail the validation in the plugin14:29
reedip_can be possible if it is created as an extension :(14:29
chandancor just ignore l2 ports ?14:29
xgerman_yes, if it’s an extension we cna check14:29
xgerman_otherwise we throw errors and user exp sucks14:29
reedip_chandanc : does it have to be a major change to make an extension out of the L2 FWG ?14:30
chandancDo we have a separate extension for l2 only ports14:30
SridarKhmm as an ext - it is really the attributes14:30
SridarKthat can be tricky as it is still a port attribute14:30
xgerman_you can have everyhting as an ext14:30
chandanci think the extension is fwaas_v214:30
reedip_I mean, enable L2 FWG if the extension is loaded ?14:30
reedip_If it is not loaded ,then the CLI/UI can handle the error14:30
chandanci may be wrong14:30
yushiroextensions = fwaas_v2  should be set in ml2_conf.ini  in order to run l2 support14:31
reedip_chandanc : patch ID  ( I forgot the link )14:31
xgerman_no, in LBaaS I once wrote an extension to enable cascading delete (one flag was set to true)14:31
xgerman_yushiro that is the plugin14:31
SarathMekalaI was also wondering if a flag can be used for this14:31
xgerman_extension is the API we support14:31
chandancreedip_: dont have it handy, will mail14:32
SridarKi think the simplest thing to do is to check if the L2 driver is loaded, then the plugin will allow L2 ports in the validation14:32
reedip_lemme check the gitreview14:32
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SridarKelse it will fail the validation and throw an exception or log message14:32
chandancSridarK: so the check is at plugin level right ?14:32
reedip_chandanc : this one right : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447251/ ?14:32
SridarKchandanc: yes14:33
xgerman_extensions from LBaaS: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/tree/master/neutron_lbaas/extensions14:33
xgerman_any API change is an extension14:33
chandancSo here is my understanding14:33
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yushiroSridarK, +1  OK, I'll add a validation to check l2 driver condition.14:33
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chandancthe fwaas v2 has a single extension, but we want to disable l2 ports in fwaas v214:34
chandanci think , this can be done at plugin level right ?14:34
chandancthe extension needs to be loded to supported event the l3 ports14:34
xgerman_I think we are confuding two things:14:34
yushirochandanc, plugin side and agent side .14:35
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xgerman_1) Does the API support L2 -> Extensions14:35
chandancplugin side14:35
xgerman_2) Is L2 working -> plugin14:35
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reedip_yushiro , chandanc : we are looking at this right ?? : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/14:35
yushiroreedip_, right.  Maybe we call it 'L2 driver'14:36
chandancSorry still abit confused, if this is too confusing, we can discuss by mail14:36
reedip_yushiro  :yes, this isnt an extension per-se14:36
yushiroreedip_, yes, xgerman_ explains 'extensions' for fwaas.14:37
SridarKsince the attribute in question is port, and our ext defines it already, we are only qualifying if it is L2 or L314:37
reedip_chandanc  : currently what we have is more of a driver. We are not adding anything to the fwaas_v2 API attribute, are we ?14:37
yushiroSridarK, correct.14:37
chandancreedip_: yes, this is my point14:37
SridarKreedip_: yes nothing is being added to the API as it is still a port attribute14:37
reedip_SridarK : Is there any parameter which seprates an L2 port from an L3 port?14:38
reedip_or any attribute ??14:38
reedip_chandanc :: ^^14:38
xgerman_well, they sometimes have dummy extensions since drivers can say which etxnesions they support14:38
SridarKreedip_: it will be the device owner14:38
yushiroxgerman_, you mean 'noop' driver ?14:38
SridarKu will need to examine the port resource to determine to figure if it is L2 or L314:39
reedip_SridarK : so it means the value may be changed but the APU attribute would be the same14:39
xgerman_no, an extension which doesn’t define any attributes and drivers say they support that14:39
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yushiroOK14:39
SridarKxgerman_: basically an ext that will define a flag for L2 support14:39
xgerman_yep14:39
chandancxgerman_: something like fwaas_v2_l2_support ?14:39
reedip_chandanc : that will be too complicated14:40
xgerman_and then the driver says it supports/doesn’t support that extension14:40
reedip_xgerman : thats a much easier option14:40
xgerman_yeah, but I think checking if the l2 is loaded is prob. better14:40
xgerman_since a driver might support L2 but L2 isnt laoded14:41
SridarKxgerman_: that would be simpler from code14:41
yushirobut current l2 is only agent-side definition.  I'll consider to check server-side as well as agent-side.14:41
chandancwe need server side14:41
SridarKyushiro: yes that is the downside - we will need to check on the server side too14:41
reedip_yushiro : if the Extension is loaded, then we can pull up the agent-side code, right ?14:42
SridarKto enable the validation to be done14:42
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yushiroSridarK, +1014:42
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yushiroreedip_, maybe yes and we can validate it in server-side.14:42
xgerman_but overall we should make an L2 extnesion since there might be 3rd party drivers whoch don’t support L214:42
reedip_yushiro : yes ...14:43
reedip_xgerman_ : right :)14:43
SridarKxgerman_: yes i think that is good so validation is done early14:43
SridarKand 3rd parties can reuse the reference plugin14:43
yushiroyes. or we can create 'noop' driver for l2.14:43
reedip_ok , so we are agreed upon creating the extension14:44
SridarKok lets weigh some of these options14:44
SridarKbut still lets see how confident we are with an end to end test to atleast have the basic use cases working14:45
reedip_SridarK : Lets put it on the mail14:45
SridarKassuming we feel confident about that - we can adopt using an ext or just checking for an L2 driver14:46
xgerman_or both14:47
SridarKoff the top the checking for the L2 driver is easier from a code point of view this late in the game, but long term the ext makes it more cleaner14:47
yushiroOK.14:47
SridarKhaving an ext serve as an enable will make reuse of the plugin more clean14:47
yushirowill implement validation.14:48
xgerman_yes, but if we release without extension we can’t add it later since we are taking functionality away instead of adding14:48
chandanc+114:48
xgerman_I am not sure if Neutron will actually enforce that with us…14:48
SridarKxgerman_: hmm perhaps we will have the functionality but we realise it differently14:48
SridarKfirst with a quick hack then with an ext14:49
xgerman_k14:49
SridarKxgerman_: but good point - let me think more too14:49
SridarKbut mainly lets see how confident we are with the L2 agent - driver integration14:49
xgerman_+114:49
SridarKok lets take it offline14:49
SridarKrunning out to time14:50
SridarK#topic Horizon14:50
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SarathMekalaI have some updates14:50
SridarKSarathMekala: amotoki: pls go ahead14:50
SarathMekalaI am working on the add/remove port forms14:50
SarathMekalaand looking at the UI, I am opting for the following approach14:51
SridarKSarathMekala: ok do u need to ask for an FFE - i think there is less concerns here14:51
amotokiI added devstack support to SarathMekala patch14:51
SridarKamotoki: great thx14:52
amotokiI am not sure we can land the v2 patch in FFE time frame even though it is low-risk14:52
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amotokias far as i checked, the current UT proposed is just a copy from v1 stuff and there seems a lot of work to pass UT14:52
SridarKamotoki: ok i was hoping that this is definitely low risk as u mention14:53
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SarathMekalaamotoki, yes.. I did not update the UT yet14:53
amotokiif the team would like to request FFE for v2 dashboard, please go ahead14:53
SridarKSarathMekala: do u feel comfortable to get this done - it should get an FFE with amotoki's support too14:54
yushiro+114:54
amotokiit is better to follow the official neutron stadium process as it is a project under neutron14:54
SridarK+114:54
SarathMekalasure SridarK, I will sync with amotoki and send across a mail to the team14:54
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amotokii would like to see extensive tests from fwaas team14:54
SridarKSarathMekala: ok perfect and u should be present in the drivers team mtg too14:55
SridarKamotoki: +114:55
SarathMekalaok.. I need to put in a few more UI design considerations for review here14:55
SridarKSarathMekala: we will start doing some manual testing14:55
SarathMekalasure SridarK14:55
yushiroSarathMekala, thanks for your great work :)14:55
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SarathMekalaI will ping you offline14:55
SridarKSarathMekala: go ahead pls - we only have 5 mins14:55
SarathMekalasure14:56
SridarKwe can continue on fwaas channel if we hit time14:56
SarathMekalasure.. I have a few things to discuss14:56
SarathMekalaIn the FWG tab, the row actions will be the following14:56
SarathMekalaupdate FwG, Delete FWG, Add Port and Delete Port14:56
SarathMekalaI am thinking adding Add Ingress Policy, Delete Ingress Policy14:57
SarathMekalaas well as Egress Policy actions will be a bit too much14:57
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SarathMekalaso Ingress/Egress policy addition/deletion can be done during FWG edit operation14:57
yushiroSarathMekala, +114:58
SridarKSarathMekala: we could have policy and a selector for Ingress or Egress ?14:58
SarathMekalaSridarK, a selector is present.. but for updating I dont want to add it as a row btn action14:59
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SridarKSarathMekala: ok14:59
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SarathMekalaso effectively, to update ingress/egress policies we need to update the FWG14:59
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SridarKwe are almost at time14:59
amotokiI think it is better to gather feedbacks for improvements from fwaas team after running the dashboard (using something like etherpad)14:59
yushirocorrect14:59
SarathMekalabut add/delete ports will be similar to insert rules14:59
SarathMekalaamotoki, +114:59
SridarKlets continue on fwaas channel14:59
SarathMekalasure14:59
amotokipoints from SarathMekala coves a few I think15:00
yushiroOK, let's move on :)15:00
amotoki*covers*15:00
SridarKthx all for joining - priorites is to get L2 support decisions and defn try to get in Horizon15:00
SridarK#endmeeting fwaas15:00
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TuanVubye, guys15:00
mwhahaha#startmeeting puppet-openstack15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  1 15:00:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mwhahaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack'15:00
xarseso/15:01
mwhahaha#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-2017080115:01
mwhahahaahoy folks15:01
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xarsesavast!15:01
mwhahahaarrr me mateys15:01
iurygregoryo/15:02
iurygregoryhello15:02
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mwhahahahi2u15:02
mwhahahaok lets go15:03
mwhahaha#topic past items15:03
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mwhahahaEmilienM to create a puppet5-unit voting job when LP#1702964 is closed15:03
mwhahahaprobably postponed15:03
EmilienMyes15:03
EmilienMI won't work on it before queens I think15:03
mwhahahai think nova and swift are still broke, i was going to take a look at nova today15:03
mwhahahasicne it blocks openstacklib changes15:04
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mwhahahaso we'll handle tha tin queens15:04
mwhahahamoving on15:04
mwhahaha#topic PTG15:04
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mwhahaha#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-queens-ptg15:04
mwhahahaif anyone is going ot be there and wants to talk about somethingl please add it to the etherpad15:04
mwhahahai'll be there cause it's local :D15:04
mwhahahabut i've told them that we don't really need a room so we might have a small room at some point15:05
mwhahahabut as usual I don't think we have much to talk about it15:05
mwhahahaany other questions about the PTG?15:06
iurygregorynot from me =)15:06
xarsesnope15:06
mwhahahak15:06
mwhahaha#topic PTL?15:06
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mwhahahasoooo yea ptl15:06
mwhahahai'm not planning on running though there's next to no work for ptl other than releases these days15:06
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mwhahahaI might just defacto ptl next cycle for puppet and just make sure the releases continue15:07
mwhahahasoooo moving on15:08
mwhahaha#topic Should we continue IRC meetings?15:08
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mwhahahagiven that we end up canceling half of them due to no topics, shall we just not do them anymore?15:08
xarsesI like the formal meeting, but ya15:08
xarsesseems we are fine getting everything done ad-hoc on the regular channel15:09
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mwhahahayea15:09
iurygregorywe can use the #puppet-openstack when needed XD15:09
mwhahahayea so maybe just adhoc it and free up this spot for others15:09
mwhahaha#action mwhahaha to free up the scheduled meeting in favor of adhoc meeting in #puppet-openstack15:10
mwhahaha#topic anything else?15:10
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mwhahahaso anything else?15:10
xarsescheers!15:11
iurygregorynop15:11
mwhahahaok later folks15:11
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mwhahaha#endmeeting15:11
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