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ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 26 08:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
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danoffek | Hi Guys | 08:00 |
annarez | Hi | 08:00 |
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yujunz | jhi | 08:01 |
nivolas | hey | 08:01 |
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sevenmode | hi | 08:02 |
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ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:02 |
ifat_afek | •Pike Feature Freeze | 08:02 |
ifat_afek | •Status and Updates | 08:02 |
ifat_afek | •Open Discussion | 08:03 |
ifat_afek | #topic Pike Feature Freeze | 08:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Pike Feature Freeze (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:03 | |
ifat_afek | Reminder about the release dates: | 08:03 |
ifat_afek | Client libraries final releases (i.e. python-vitrageclient): July 27 — tomorrow! | 08:03 |
ifat_afek | Pike-3 milestone (and Feature freeze): July 27 | 08:03 |
ifat_afek | Final Pike release: August 30 | 08:03 |
ifat_afek | Tomorrow is the release date for python-vitrageclient. I plan to tag the release today or tomorrow. If someone has a change that must enter, please tell me ASAP. | 08:03 |
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adary | hi | 08:04 |
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yujunz | When will stable/pike be branched? | 08:04 |
yujunz | I mean for vitrage repo | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | I see that we need to close the following changes: doc migration and os profiler | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | For Vitrage we can decide when, it can be anytime until the final release date | 08:05 |
ifat_afek | projects that follow the cycle-with-milestones mode, should branch soon. We work by cycle-with-intermeidary, so it’s up to us to decide | 08:05 |
ifat_afek | But the client libraries must all branch this weekend | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | yujunz: Regarding the os profiler, all you have left in the python-vitrageclient is the small change of moving the help message? | 08:07 |
yujunz | Yes, unless we found some bug in it. | 08:07 |
yujunz | No other modification is planned on my side | 08:07 |
ifat_afek | Ok, thanks | 08:08 |
yujunz | BTW, is there a full list of the frozen features? | 08:08 |
yujunz | Can I trust https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/pike or it needs updating? | 08:08 |
ifat_afek | Seems like not all of the blueprints will enter pike. aodh-support-more-alarm-types and alarm-counts-api will probably be left out | 08:09 |
ifat_afek | I’ll have to ask idan_hefetz about the parralel-evaluation | 08:10 |
ifat_afek | The rest of the features should be in. support-python35 is a must, and the integration with Mistral is practically done, I just need to add tests | 08:11 |
ifat_afek | If any of you wants to introduce new specs, they should enter Queens version and be written under specs/queens/approved | 08:12 |
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ifat_afek | Anything else regarding the release? | 08:13 |
ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:13 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:13 | |
ifat_afek | My updates: I’m working on three tasks in parallel… | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | Doc-migration: the OpenStack documentation team decided about a re-org of the documents. I completed the relevant changes in our projects. | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/projects:openstack/vitrage+branch:master+topic:doc-migration | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/projects:openstack/python-vitrage+branch:master+topic:doc-migration | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | In addition, I’m working on supporting the python-35 Pike goal | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486591 | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | Our code already supports python35, but our tempests are still running on a python27 devstack. I’m trying to add jobs for running them on python35 devstack. | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | Last task: finish the integration with Mistral. I am basically done, but need to add tests | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461265/ | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | That’s it for me | 08:15 |
yujunz | Will py35 devstack become voting? | 08:16 |
yujunz | I saw in the commit message it is non-voting for now | 08:16 |
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ifat_afek | It should be voting, but right now it’s not working. I changed it to “experimental” mode | 08:17 |
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yujunz | OK. | 08:18 |
ifat_afek | That’s defined as a community-goal for Pike | 08:18 |
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ifat_afek | So it’s a must | 08:18 |
ifat_afek | Why, is there any issue you can think of? | 08:18 |
yujunz | Nothing, just curious on the commit message :-) | 08:18 |
ifat_afek | I’m thinking about the fact that it will double our gate time… but I see no other alternative | 08:19 |
yujunz | Double? | 08:19 |
yujunz | Isn't it running in parallel? py27 and py35? | 08:19 |
ifat_afek | Instead of running the tempest tests on py27, we will run on both envs | 08:19 |
ifat_afek | At list I think we need to run on both envs... | 08:19 |
ifat_afek | Maybe we can do one of them only at the gate and not in the first check phase | 08:20 |
ifat_afek | Yes, maybe it runs in parallel. I actually didn’t think about it :-) | 08:20 |
ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: I see you are in. Do you expect the parallel-evaluation blueprint to end in Pike? | 08:22 |
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ifat_afek | (yujunz asked about the list of blueprints that are marked for pike) | 08:22 |
idan_hefetz | Parallel evaluation is in progress, what’s left is to resolve an issue regarding overlapping-templates feature and add some testing. | 08:23 |
idan_hefetz | I am thinking to commit the initial code (that will be disabled in configuration) in the coming days | 08:24 |
ifat_afek | Ok, thanks | 08:25 |
idan_hefetz | Also | 08:25 |
idan_hefetz | I just stumbled upon a bug with the static datasource | 08:25 |
idan_hefetz | edges created by it are deleted after some time, that is after the second get_all | 08:26 |
idan_hefetz | I should open a bug in lunchpad | 08:27 |
idan_hefetz | launchpad :) | 08:27 |
ifat_afek | Ok | 08:28 |
ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:28 |
yujunz | My update: finishing up the blueprint osprofiler | 08:28 |
yujunz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/osprofiler-support | 08:29 |
ifat_afek | And what about the implementation? I saw there are some changes in gerrit, do they cover everything or is there some more work to be done? | 08:29 |
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yujunz | Yes, I suppose it is all that is required for integration. But we may add more trace point when we tackle a performance issue in future | 08:30 |
ifat_afek | Ok, adding more trace points will be trivial, I guess | 08:31 |
yujunz | I meant finish the implementation of the blueprint | 08:31 |
ifat_afek | Right | 08:32 |
yujunz | Another trivial update on healthcheck api | 08:32 |
yujunz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485991/ | 08:32 |
ifat_afek | Can you explain the change? | 08:32 |
yujunz | A conversion of the healthcheck was hardcoded | 08:33 |
yujunz | A conversion of healthcheck result | 08:33 |
yujunz | I think it would be better to display as it is | 08:33 |
yujunz | Better for compability | 08:34 |
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yujunz | That's all for me | 08:34 |
ifat_afek | Ok, I’ll have a look | 08:34 |
ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:35 |
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ifat_afek | Thanks everyone, see you next week :-) | 08:37 |
yujunz | Bye | 08:37 |
adary | bye | 08:37 |
danoffek | bye | 08:37 |
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annarez | bye | 08:37 |
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ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:38 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:38 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 26 08:38:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:38 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-07-26-08.00.html | 08:38 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-07-26-08.00.txt | 08:38 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-07-26-08.00.log.html | 08:38 |
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alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 26 13:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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mriedem | o/ | 13:00 |
alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
gmann_ | o/ | 13:00 |
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alex_xu | ok, let us start the meeting :) | 13:02 |
alex_xu | I guess we have no more microversions can be merged in these two days? | 13:02 |
alex_xu | there still have few client side patches | 13:03 |
alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485435/5 | 13:03 |
alex_xu | ^ start from this one | 13:03 |
alex_xu | mriedem: the client won't be freeze at tomorrow, right? | 13:03 |
mriedem | it is | 13:04 |
gmann_ | 27 is final release right | 13:04 |
* johnthetubaguy wonders in several months late | 13:04 | |
mriedem | tomorrow is final client release | 13:04 |
mriedem | alex_xu: i just pushed up the test impl for that service delete test in the client patch | 13:04 |
gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: :) welcome back | 13:04 |
alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: welcome back :) | 13:04 |
alex_xu | mriedem: ok, we need to speed up the review | 13:04 |
mriedem | alex_xu: yeah if you can go over it again before you end your day, | 13:05 |
mriedem | then i can have sdague take a look later today again too | 13:05 |
mriedem | or talk to andrey or Vek | 13:05 |
alex_xu | mriedem: yea, I will do that after the meeting | 13:05 |
mriedem | thanks | 13:05 |
alex_xu | for no more extension, I only expect this patch merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486414/2 | 13:06 |
alex_xu | other cleanup can be done in next release | 13:06 |
alex_xu | mriedem: this one need +w https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485061/, then we finish the goal of no more extension in pike | 13:07 |
sdague | sorry, just wandering in | 13:07 |
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sdague | alex_xu: nice! | 13:08 |
alex_xu | sdague: thanks :) | 13:08 |
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alex_xu | I want to remove the objects related to extension, but I still found a lot of garbage in our unittests. so I think we can continue those in next release | 13:09 |
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mriedem | alex_xu: looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486416/ is the only other thing in that series that needs a +W | 13:10 |
mriedem | but the series needs to be rebased in order | 13:10 |
gmann_ | alex_xu: yea, we do not have anything in functional tests | 13:10 |
mriedem | well maybe it'll go | 13:10 |
mriedem | i'll just rebase today as needed | 13:11 |
mriedem | do we have release notes for any of this at a high level | 13:11 |
mriedem | like, how is this different from when extensions were 'disabled' in newton? | 13:11 |
mriedem | because i know some people.....that have api extensions | 13:11 |
sdague | mriedem: the plumbing for extensions is now removed | 13:11 |
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sdague | honestly, I don't think it's release note material | 13:12 |
sdague | this is internals that we said were not to be used a couple of releases ago, that are now deleted | 13:12 |
mriedem | but if i have an extension in my forked nova code repo, don't i just now register the route like everything else in here? | 13:12 |
sdague | mriedem: we used to provide infrastructure to let you do that in the system | 13:12 |
mriedem | i guess the stevedore extension stuff is gone, | 13:13 |
sdague | right | 13:13 |
mriedem | so my api extension could be a separate git repo | 13:13 |
sdague | or easily maintained | 13:13 |
mriedem | ok, yeah, i was thinking more about people that just have them in a forked nova branch | 13:13 |
sdague | if you have forked nova code... this is basically going to be a giant amount of work for you to get through | 13:14 |
sdague | but, that's never supposed to have been our target audience | 13:14 |
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mriedem | still seems like it should be a release note | 13:15 |
mriedem | i don't expect people to keep all of the newton release notes in mind when reading the pike release notes | 13:15 |
mriedem | especially if they just installed openstack for the first time in ocata | 13:15 |
sdague | do we release note internals changes to objects? | 13:15 |
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mriedem | no, but we release note the removal of deprecation options and hook points | 13:15 |
sdague | if they installed for the first time in ocata, this doesn't impact them | 13:15 |
alex_xu | we have release note for the extension related configure options | 13:15 |
sdague | mriedem: the docs were all scrubbed of that a while ago | 13:16 |
mriedem | alex_xu: this: "Deprecated config options to enable/disable extensions extensions_blacklist and extensions_whitelist have been removed. This means all API extensions are always enabled. If you modifed policy, please double check you have the correct policy settings for all APIs." | 13:16 |
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alex_xu | mriedem: yea | 13:17 |
sdague | it's honestly going to be more confusing to release note this because it will say "we removed the ability to side load extensions through setup.cfg, that was never documented, and was officially removed 2 releases ago." | 13:17 |
mriedem | ok, and there is one about discoverable policy for extensions too | 13:17 |
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mriedem | the API plugin stuff was documented in the devref before | 13:17 |
mriedem | or was that just bad naming | 13:18 |
mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/newton/api_plugins.html | 13:18 |
alex_xu | yea | 13:18 |
alex_xu | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/api.html | 13:18 |
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alex_xu | we still have something to update | 13:19 |
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gmann_ | yea those doc we can update | 13:19 |
mriedem | but, on the plus side, | 13:20 |
mriedem | there is nothing in there about stevedore loading out of tree API plugins/extensions | 13:20 |
mriedem | that's what i was looking for | 13:20 |
mriedem | so i think these docs are basically ok, they are just talking about how to add new APIs into the compute API | 13:20 |
mriedem | they need to be updated for the route map | 13:20 |
mriedem | but that's probably about it? | 13:20 |
alex_xu | yes | 13:21 |
gmann_ | yea. | 13:21 |
mriedem | ok cool | 13:21 |
sdague | mriedem: yeh, definitely should be updated with the route map | 13:21 |
mriedem | let's move on then | 13:21 |
alex_xu | remove the 'extensions.V3APIExtensionBase' | 13:21 |
sdague | alex_xu: oh... interesting thing I found in running tests on the request logger | 13:21 |
gmann_ | should we delete this also - https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/stable-api.html | 13:21 |
gmann_ | this talks about old extension background | 13:21 |
alex_xu | sdague: still have interesting thing happened? | 13:21 |
sdague | the handler for / requests inherits from the v2.0 legacy handler | 13:22 |
sdague | which means that microversions are stripped | 13:22 |
sdague | which, might be something that we should change | 13:22 |
alex_xu | gmann_: I need to reread those doc, if they just say something changed in the compatible v2.0 legacy API, that will be ok | 13:23 |
mriedem | gmann_: i wouldn't remove it, but i'd update it to say the ability to load API extensions via stevedore and blacklist/whitelist them is gone in pike | 13:23 |
sdague | it mostly just made writing the tests a little hard | 13:23 |
gmann_ | this one ? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/versions.py#L75 | 13:23 |
mriedem | gmann_: that doc is mostly history | 13:23 |
sdague | gmann_: yes | 13:23 |
mriedem | so let's just make it current | 13:23 |
gmann_ | mriedem: ok, make sense | 13:24 |
alex_xu | sdague: you mean no microversion info in the log when request to '/'? | 13:25 |
sdague | alex_xu: correct | 13:26 |
gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu we have for v2.1 also - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/versionsV21.py#L24 | 13:26 |
sdague | but that also means it's not possible to do mv negotiation on that endpoint | 13:27 |
gmann_ | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/routes.py#L412-L413 | 13:27 |
sdague | which, with some of mordred's stuff on standardizing version docs, might be appropriate | 13:27 |
sdague | just a thought | 13:27 |
sdague | we still need this deprecation in - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486623/ | 13:28 |
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alex_xu | I think the python-novaclient do mv negotiation on the '/' now | 13:28 |
mriedem | right, using https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=list-all-major-versions-detail#list-all-major-versions | 13:30 |
mriedem | you get back the min/max versions | 13:30 |
mriedem | to determine if you can do 2.53 or just 2.20 | 13:30 |
mriedem | do we need microversion negotiation for handling a 2.1 vs 2.53 request to / ? | 13:31 |
mriedem | the response is the same isn't it? | 13:31 |
alex_xu | mriedem: yes, it is same | 13:32 |
mriedem | ok, so doesn't seem like a major issue right now | 13:33 |
sdague | yeh, it was more of an fyi | 13:33 |
alex_xu | ok | 13:33 |
mriedem | so to recap, | 13:33 |
mriedem | 1. novaclient 2.53 change needs review | 13:34 |
mriedem | 2. remaining no more api extensions patches are approved, we just need to shephard through the gate | 13:34 |
mriedem | 3. need to update the api plugins / stable api docs for the route map stuff | 13:34 |
mriedem | 4. deprecate wsgi_log_format | 13:34 |
mriedem | yeah? | 13:34 |
alex_xu | yea | 13:35 |
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gmann_ | yes. | 13:35 |
alex_xu | and one bug from Kevin_Zheng https://review.openstack.org/486850 | 13:35 |
alex_xu | only #1 and #2 need to be done before freeze | 13:36 |
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Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:36 |
gmann_ | is href so useful ? can we just have base url with version | 13:36 |
gmann_ | i can do 3. | 13:36 |
alex_xu | gmann_: that sounds like a API behaviour change | 13:37 |
alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 13:37 |
gmann_ | alex_xu: humm | 13:37 |
alex_xu | I think we can get correct url by 'req.environ['PATH_INFO']' | 13:37 |
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alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: worth a try ^ | 13:37 |
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gmann_ | alex_xu: but if we put some random string there. | 13:38 |
gmann_ | i tried like GET http://10.76.150.17/compute/xyz | 13:38 |
gmann_ | then how we know what is actual endpoint patch till 'compute' or / | 13:38 |
gmann_ | patch->path | 13:39 |
alex_xu | gmann_: I see 'PATH_INFO' will return 'xyz' | 13:40 |
gmann_ | yea | 13:41 |
Kevin_Zheng | we should also filter /compute | 13:41 |
Kevin_Zheng | or anything was set to be the endpoint | 13:42 |
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gmann_ | Kevin_Zheng: /compute is not all time thing. it can be anything | 13:42 |
alex_xu | yea | 13:42 |
gmann_ | so we left with base url | 13:42 |
sdague | We should probably actually reach back into the keystone catalog to get the right value | 13:42 |
sdague | that's where it's really stored | 13:42 |
Kevin_Zheng | I understand, I mean, path will also include this | 13:42 |
Kevin_Zheng | and it will got duplicated | 13:43 |
gmann_ | after that what is wrong version coming for / request is not known to be bad version or bad string | 13:43 |
sdague | that being said, this seems like a pretty minor bug, right? | 13:43 |
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sdague | oh, I guess we're returning more garbage than I was expecting | 13:43 |
gmann_ | sdague: for me too, i never read href :) | 13:43 |
sdague | yeh, we do document it, I don't think anyone uses it | 13:43 |
sdague | the real issue is the 300 multiple choice docs | 13:44 |
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sdague | those aren't really useful | 13:44 |
alex_xu | yea | 13:44 |
mriedem | always pick "C" if you don't know the answer | 13:45 |
alex_xu | but I still think req.application_url + version + req.environ['PATH_INFO'] is the correct url | 13:45 |
sdague | so... I do wonder if the real fix is related to the routes | 13:45 |
sdague | because now that we've got all the routes in the list, we could say "oh, this thing you are trying to get looks like a thing we know about, but in a subtree" | 13:45 |
alex_xu | oh... | 13:46 |
sdague | because right now that 300 multiple choice selector just reflects you the garbage you send in | 13:46 |
sdague | which might also be non existant | 13:46 |
sdague | it would be really nice if it only reflected the 300 if the guessed routes were a thing | 13:46 |
sdague | otherwise, 404 | 13:46 |
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alex_xu | yea, that sounds good, but we still need to fix that url when the routes were a thing :) | 13:47 |
mriedem | Kevin_Zheng said other services just return a 404 | 13:49 |
mriedem | i think i reported a bug against glance's API for this same issue, trying to get versions using / | 13:49 |
Kevin_Zheng | I tried Cinder Neutron | 13:49 |
sdague | Kevin_Zheng: they are using pecan, right? | 13:50 |
sdague | that probably saves them a bit here. All the nova code to do this is really custom | 13:50 |
sdague | I don't think they do the 300 docs | 13:50 |
sdague | as it wasn't a construct you could get into pecan | 13:50 |
mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1632742 | 13:50 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1632742 in Glance "/v2 route doesn't exist" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 13:50 |
mriedem | not exactly the same | 13:51 |
sdague | yeh | 13:51 |
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alex_xu | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/doc/api_samples/servers/server-get-resp.json#L43 | 13:53 |
alex_xu | ^ I guess that is why we return 300 | 13:53 |
alex_xu | for the bookmark url | 13:53 |
sdague | yeh | 13:54 |
sdague | which has lots of issues with it | 13:54 |
sdague | but, regardless, if we could test the route values before we return them in our route list | 13:54 |
sdague | then 404 if they don't exist | 13:54 |
sdague | that would probably be best | 13:54 |
alex_xu | ok, I'm ok that without microversion | 13:55 |
gmann_ | sdague: test route list means? with some checking in our routing mapping | 13:56 |
gmann_ | route value | 13:57 |
alex_xu | 3 mins left | 13:57 |
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alex_xu | I think that should be another patch | 13:57 |
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alex_xu | one fix the url, another one checks the routes | 13:58 |
gmann_ | k | 13:59 |
gmann_ | 1 min more | 13:59 |
alex_xu | ok, let us move back to nova change or to the patch :) | 13:59 |
alex_xu | thanks all | 13:59 |
alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
gmann_ | thanks alex_xu | 14:00 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-07-26-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
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hidekazu | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 26 14:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hidekazu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
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hidekazu | hello | 14:01 |
suzhengwei | hi | 14:02 |
lakerzhou1 | Hi | 14:02 |
hidekazu | today, alexchadin can not hold the meeting, so i hold the meeting. | 14:02 |
hidekazu | Here is our agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#07.2F26.2F2017 | 14:02 |
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hidekazu | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
Yumeng__ | Hi | 14:03 |
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hidekazu | hi Yumeng__ | 14:03 |
hidekazu | We don't merge any specs until stable/pike branch is created. | 14:03 |
hidekazu | OpenStack is on release week, Watcher will get Pike-3 milestone this Thursday. | 14:04 |
hidekazu | We have implemented all doc migration directions #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 14:05 |
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suzhengwei | remind, something maybe need to do for watcher-dahboard before release. | 14:05 |
hidekazu | suzhengwei: what is something? | 14:06 |
suzhengwei | support cron, watcher-dashboard need support this spec | 14:06 |
hidekazu | suzhenwei: did you tested watcher-dashboard? | 14:06 |
suzhengwei | New cron type for audit interval | 14:07 |
hidekazu | suzhengwei: yes i know, do we need to something for watcher-dahboard? | 14:07 |
suzhengwei | It is an api change. | 14:08 |
suzhengwei | Maybe we can wait for chadin's comment | 14:09 |
hidekazu | suzhenwei: we can test after pike-3 released. | 14:09 |
suzhengwei | ok | 14:09 |
hidekazu | next, Pike release notes are available to review. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486146/ | 14:10 |
hidekazu | this is actively reviewed. | 14:11 |
hidekazu | any other announcements? | 14:11 |
hidekazu | lets go on. | 14:12 |
hidekazu | #topic Review Action Items | 14:12 |
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suzhengwei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479257/ this is ok.can it be release for Pike? | 14:12 |
hidekazu | suzhenwei: this is not registered bug nor spec.. please discuss with alexchadin. | 14:14 |
suzhengwei | ok. Let's go on. | 14:14 |
hidekazu | cluster-maintenance-strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/ | 14:14 |
hidekazu | anyone wants to review? | 14:15 |
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hidekazu | adisky__ ? | 14:16 |
hidekazu | ok, i will review. | 14:17 |
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hidekazu | #action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/ | 14:17 |
suzhengwei | you have reviewed it. | 14:17 |
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hidekazu | suzhenwei: sorry i did not check your answer. i will check. | 14:18 |
hidekazu | add name for audit needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474865/ | 14:19 |
hidekazu | oh, this was w+1. | 14:19 |
hidekazu | go next. | 14:19 |
hidekazu | Add notfications for actionplan cancel needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482902/ | 14:20 |
hidekazu | suzhenwei: can you review? | 14:21 |
suzhengwei | ok | 14:21 |
hidekazu | #action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482902/ | 14:21 |
hidekazu | extend-node-status needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/ | 14:22 |
hidekazu | suzhenwei: please update. | 14:22 |
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hidekazu | #action suzhenwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/ | 14:23 |
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suzhengwei | i will asap | 14:23 |
hidekazu | Spec for multi-datasource support needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467102 | 14:23 |
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hidekazu | #action lakerzhou1 update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467102 | 14:25 |
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hidekazu | Watcher | 14:25 |
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hidekazu | Saving Energy Strategy needs review. Please review it asap, this is a pike-3 feature. | 14:26 |
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hidekazu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476767/ | 14:26 |
hidekazu | Yumeng__ here? | 14:27 |
suzhengwei | not here | 14:27 |
lakerzhou1 | for multi-datasource support, I already updated the spec in weekend | 14:27 |
hidekazu | lakerzhou1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467102/4/specs/pike/approved/watcher-multi-datasource.rst@44 | 14:28 |
hidekazu | lakerzhou1: sorry i was wrong. | 14:29 |
hidekazu | anyone can review multi-datasource support? | 14:30 |
lakerzhou1 | Hidekazu, no problem | 14:30 |
suzhengwei | i will | 14:30 |
hidekazu | suzhengwei: thanks! | 14:30 |
hidekazu | #action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467102 | 14:30 |
hidekazu | next, Add volume migrate action needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477204/ | 14:31 |
hidekazu | no core reviewer seems to be here except me :( | 14:32 |
* aspiers is lurking but not core ... | 14:33 | |
lakerzhou1 | thanks hidekazu and suzhengwei, I hope to close the spec asap. | 14:34 |
hidekazu | i will contact cores. | 14:34 |
hidekazu | next | 14:34 |
hidekazu | dynamic action description needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484110/ | 14:34 |
hidekazu | #action licanwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484110/ | 14:35 |
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hidekazu | Validation of states for actionplan delete needs new PS # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486007/ | 14:35 |
hidekazu | i discussed with adisky__ . this will be abandoned. | 14:36 |
hidekazu | refactor action change_nova_service_state needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474871/ | 14:36 |
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hidekazu | lakerzhou1: could you review? | 14:37 |
lakerzhou1 | ok, I will do it | 14:38 |
hidekazu | thanks! | 14:38 |
hidekazu | #action lakerzhou1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474871/ | 14:39 |
hidekazu | Added Actuator Strategy needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425110/ | 14:39 |
suzhengwei | I want study it, please add me | 14:40 |
hidekazu | suzhenwei: thank you. | 14:40 |
hidekazu | #action suzhenwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425110/ | 14:40 |
hidekazu | actually this is useful strategy. | 14:41 |
hidekazu | bunch of adding naming to audit needs to be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-name-for-audit | 14:41 |
hidekazu | i reviewed spec, so i will review | 14:42 |
hidekazu | #action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-name-for-audit | 14:42 |
hidekazu | Watcher CLI & Dashboard | 14:42 |
hidekazu | Fix Audit Update functional test needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485488/ | 14:43 |
hidekazu | who wants to review? | 14:44 |
suzhengwei | I will | 14:45 |
hidekazu | #action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485488/ | 14:45 |
suzhengwei | It looks like a small change. can't take too much time. | 14:46 |
hidekazu | that's all. | 14:46 |
suzhengwei | Could I add this commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483828/. It is a small and simple change. | 14:47 |
suzhengwei | Need new reviewer | 14:47 |
hidekazu | ah, memory.resident? | 14:48 |
suzhengwei | yes,memory.usege to memory.resident | 14:48 |
hidekazu | #action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483828/ | 14:48 |
hidekazu | other topic? | 14:49 |
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hidekazu | ok, that's all, bye | 14:50 |
suzhengwei | bye | 14:50 |
hidekazu | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-07-26-14.01.html | 14:51 |
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shintaro | is serverascode here? do we have a meeting today? | 15:02 |
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shintaro | guess not | 15:05 |
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inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 26 15:59:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:59 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:59 |
inc0 | #topic w00t for Kolla | 15:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to "w00t for Kolla (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
spsurya_ | w00t | 16:00 |
egonzalez | w00t o/ | 16:00 |
zhubingbing | w00t | 16:00 |
inc0 | how's everyone? | 16:00 |
zhubingbing | o/ | 16:00 |
duonghq | woot o/ | 16:00 |
duonghq | evening | 16:00 |
jascott1 | w00t | 16:00 |
rwellum | woot | 16:00 |
coolsvap | o/ | 16:01 |
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Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:01 |
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britthouser | 0/ | 16:02 |
inc0 | let's give few more minutes | 16:02 |
duonghq | hi britthouser | 16:02 |
britthouser | Hey duonghq ! | 16:02 |
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sdake | o/ | 16:04 |
inc0 | let's move to announcements | 16:04 |
inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
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sbezverk | o/ | 16:04 |
inc0 | This week is P-3 release week | 16:04 |
inc0 | since we're tailing, we have 2 more weeks before P-3 | 16:04 |
inc0 | that being said, projects will get into feature freeze so we should start heavy upgrade testing | 16:05 |
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vhosakot | o/ (sorry I'm late) | 16:05 |
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duonghq | hi Vikram | 16:05 |
vhosakot | hi dosaboy | 16:05 |
inc0 | so please, everyone, just run at least one upgrade O->P in scenario of your choice | 16:05 |
vhosakot | hi duonghq | 16:05 |
vhosakot | sorry duonghq typo | 16:05 |
spsurya_ | inc0: roger | 16:06 |
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inc0 | any community announcements? | 16:06 |
Jeffrey4l | i have one. | 16:06 |
britthouser | voting has opened up | 16:06 |
inc0 | go ahead | 16:06 |
inc0 | for sessions britthouser? right | 16:06 |
Jeffrey4l | openstack days china is hold in recently two days. | 16:06 |
inc0 | how did kolla keynote go?:) | 16:07 |
Jeffrey4l | there is a keystone about kolla upgrade and power failure recovery keystone. | 16:07 |
Jeffrey4l | it is successful ;) | 16:07 |
inc0 | great! | 16:07 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l do you mean keynote presentation? | 16:07 |
britthouser | awesome news Jeffrey4l ! | 16:08 |
Jeffrey4l | sdake, yep. | 16:08 |
sdake | cool | 16:08 |
egonzalez | yay! | 16:08 |
inc0 | sdake: upgrade on stage during keynote | 16:08 |
sdake | may I ask who presented it? | 16:08 |
Jeffrey4l | check the pic http://imgur.com/a/TQOKx | 16:09 |
inc0 | lol | 16:09 |
Jeffrey4l | sdake, intel guys. inc0 should know the details. | 16:09 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l tx | 16:09 |
inc0 | not that much, I learned about this keynote by accident;) | 16:09 |
inc0 | but whatever, I'm glad it went well | 16:10 |
Jeffrey4l | that's all from me. | 16:10 |
inc0 | anyone else? | 16:10 |
Jeffrey4l | ( just post another pic http://imgur.com/a/22UTW ) | 16:11 |
inc0 | ok, let's move on to agenda | 16:12 |
inc0 | #topic PTG planning | 16:12 |
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inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-planning | 16:12 |
inc0 | so here's how I'd like to do it, another experiment:) | 16:13 |
inc0 | let's start by iterating over goals we want to achieve during Q | 16:13 |
inc0 | and then break this down to sessions | 16:13 |
inc0 | I don't expect us to finalize it today, we have time till PTG itself really | 16:13 |
spsurya_ | inc0: will we need 1 full day for kk8s ? | 16:14 |
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inc0 | that depends on goals | 16:15 |
inc0 | We'll need time for TripleO discussions, but I'd love to have at least scope of cooperation decided beforehand | 16:16 |
inc0 | EmilienM: ^ let's discuss about that over next month please | 16:16 |
inc0 | let's figure out what we want to do together and use PTG for technical planning rather than discussions "what to share what to not" ok? | 16:17 |
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inc0 | Jeffrey4l: did you get any feedback about Kolla from OpenStack days? | 16:20 |
Jeffrey4l | lots of operator are using it. | 16:20 |
inc0 | that's great to hear, I'd be interested to know what are painpoints and problems they have | 16:21 |
inc0 | so we can fix it | 16:21 |
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Jeffrey4l | i heard nothing about the painpoints. i guess kolla is easy to use now. the key point is that openstack is still very complicated ;) | 16:22 |
inc0 | yeah not much we can do about that | 16:22 |
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spsurya_ | sdake: may i add one in kk8s section ? | 16:24 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l constant pain point is documentaiton | 16:24 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l that is kolla's greatest weakness | 16:24 |
sdake | spsurya_ please do - I feel all alone typing :) | 16:24 |
Jeffrey4l | ah, yep. | 16:24 |
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spsurya_ | rwellum: FYI just added in eatherpad | 16:26 |
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spsurya_ | please check | 16:26 |
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rwellum | lgtm spsurya_ it's something I am working on right now too | 16:27 |
spsurya_ | rwellum: great!! thanks | 16:27 |
spsurya_ | i know that is why i added | 16:28 |
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spsurya_ | :) | 16:28 |
inc0 | it seems we have much more to talk about kolla-k8s than kolla-ansible | 16:28 |
inc0 | is kolla-ansible done?;) | 16:28 |
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spsurya_ | inc0: lol, i was about to ask same ques to you ;) | 16:29 |
spsurya_ | need more lines there | 16:29 |
spsurya_ | i guess | 16:29 |
inc0 | no, we don't:) I don't want to push discussion just for the sake of it | 16:31 |
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inc0 | if we need 2 days of kolla-k8s and 1 day for rest is enough, that's good | 16:31 |
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duonghq | inc0, can I have some mins at end of the meeting for my 2 topics? | 16:34 |
inc0 | sure | 16:35 |
inc0 | let's cut this off at :40 | 16:35 |
duonghq | thanks | 16:35 |
inc0 | and do couple more planning sessions over next week | 16:35 |
inc0 | s | 16:35 |
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duonghq | nice | 16:35 |
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inc0 | ok, let's leave it for few days | 16:37 |
inc0 | everyone keep this etherpad around, feel free to add to it over time | 16:38 |
inc0 | we'll review it every week until PTG | 16:38 |
inc0 | Our goal is to have, by the time of PTG, set list of goals and sessions | 16:39 |
spsurya_ | rwellum: we will discuss about distributed ceph part | 16:39 |
rwellum | spsurya_: +1 | 16:39 |
inc0 | #topic Ansible license | 16:39 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Ansible license (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:39 | |
inc0 | duonghq: go ahead | 16:39 |
duonghq | thank inc0 | 16:39 |
duonghq | as we discussed couple weeks ago | 16:40 |
duonghq | I found that we have action_plugins inherit ansible class exactly same way as I use in strategy plugins | 16:40 |
duonghq | so can you use it? | 16:40 |
inc0 | duonghq: so thing about Ansible is that part of it is GPLv3 and another part is not | 16:41 |
Jeffrey4l | shouldn't inherit be OK. | 16:41 |
duonghq | yes, and the part used in action_plugins is GPLv3 | 16:41 |
inc0 | uhh | 16:41 |
sdake | so here is my take | 16:42 |
sdake | none of us (that I know of) | 16:42 |
sdake | are attorneys | 16:42 |
jascott1 | i am! no wait... | 16:42 |
sdake | attorneys train for years and years | 16:42 |
britthouser | LOL | 16:42 |
sdake | just like engineers train for years and years | 16:42 |
vhosakot | I thought inheriting native Ansible classes is not a violation of the license. | 16:42 |
sdake | it takes a long ass time to be a good software engineer | 16:42 |
duonghq | #link https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/action/__init__.py | 16:43 |
sdake | these sorts of questions are best handled by the experts in the field - that is the people with legal certification | 16:43 |
jascott1 | is there an OS attorney we can bounce off of? | 16:44 |
rwellum | What about this: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/licensing.html | 16:44 |
sdake | duonghq i have heard time and time again - every company has a different interpretation o the GPLv3 | 16:44 |
rwellum | Seems pretty clear to me. | 16:44 |
vhosakot | duonghq: so, "class ActionBase" in https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/action/__init__.py#L52 is GPLv3 per inheritance? | 16:44 |
sdake | so bouncing off an OS lawyer would just provide an OS reference point | 16:44 |
rwellum | "Licenses considered incompatible with this requirement include GPLv2, GPLv3, and AGPL." | 16:44 |
Jeffrey4l | openstack has this http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-discuss | 16:44 |
duonghq | vhosakot, yes, if I understand correctly | 16:44 |
Jeffrey4l | archived mail list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/ | 16:45 |
sdake | ultimately whoever ships kolla is responsible for ensuring they are in complaince with the laws in their country/state/regoin/etc | 16:45 |
vhosakot | duonghq: yeah, that part is tricky :) | 16:45 |
duonghq | vhosakot, yes, and somebody did the trick with action_plugins | 16:45 |
duonghq | so I think we can repeat it again | 16:45 |
Jeffrey4l | so, talk with them will be a better solution. | 16:46 |
vhosakot | I won't be surprised there is annother big-tent project (using custom Ansible libs) that does the same thing... don't think kolla is the only proj doing custom Ansible libs. | 16:46 |
sdake | rwellum sadly that is a reductive statement - the reality is far more complex then my non-lawyer brain can handle | 16:46 |
britthouser | Do we know that they "did the trick" or just slipped it by and hasn't been noticed until now? | 16:46 |
rwellum | sdake: just quoting the openstack license page I linked above | 16:46 |
sdake | rwellum right - what I mean there is that page is not worth tthe bits its written on :) | 16:46 |
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rwellum | sdake: ack | 16:47 |
vhosakot | well, AFAIK GPLv3 has nice rules around distribution, not so much about inheritance :) | 16:47 |
rwellum | Well I used that page to get permission from my company to commit upstream so now I am worried... | 16:47 |
vhosakot | britthouser: well, looks like we haven't noticed it until now. duonghq how did you notice it in the first place? :) | 16:48 |
sdake | rwellum we dont use any of the stuff duonghq is talking about in kolla-kubernetes | 16:48 |
* inc0 hates gplv3 | 16:48 | |
vhosakot | tox -e check_ansible_violations ? | 16:48 |
egonzalez | inc0, isnt this same case? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106761.html | 16:49 |
inc0 | sdake: that's a negative. We use merge configs there | 16:49 |
inc0 | egonzalez: kinda is | 16:49 |
inc0 | never got concrete response | 16:49 |
vhosakot | this too I think - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095489.html | 16:49 |
vhosakot | for all projects | 16:49 |
vhosakot | well, inheritance is different than "reuse" ;) | 16:50 |
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duonghq | that is the point, imo | 16:50 |
vhosakot | duonghq: how did you find about it in the first place? :) | 16:50 |
inc0 | derivitive is hey word there | 16:50 |
sdake | fellas - your guys are not attorneys | 16:51 |
vhosakot | right | 16:51 |
sdake | yet your playing oones on irc :) | 16:51 |
vhosakot | lol | 16:51 |
inc0 | right, we have no idea;) | 16:51 |
inc0 | and nobody seems to have | 16:51 |
sdake | if you really want to ask the question, ask someone that can answer it | 16:51 |
duonghq | vhosakot, sorry but I don't get your idea | 16:51 |
vhosakot | we have no suits and do not charge high fee ;) | 16:51 |
britthouser | OpenStack has a legal affairs committee | 16:51 |
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inc0 | duonghq: mind sending mail to openstack-legal? | 16:52 |
britthouser | Nissa Strottman is the chair | 16:52 |
vhosakot | duonghq: I meant, how/where did you learn that inheriting a native class in our custom action_plugin is a violation? | 16:52 |
sdake | vhosakot he doesn't know if it i | 16:52 |
sdake | s | 16:52 |
inc0 | vhosakot: I made this concern | 16:52 |
sdake | vhosakot that is his question | 16:52 |
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vhosakot | ah got it.. cool | 16:52 |
duonghq | vhosakot, I just look around in our project, | 16:53 |
sdake | and nobody has provided a conrete answer - because we are not attorneys | 16:53 |
duonghq | finding something same as my plugin | 16:53 |
britthouser | legal-discuss@lists.openstack.org | 16:53 |
duonghq | inc0, sure, I'll try | 16:53 |
duonghq | so, is there any chance the feature is merged in this cycle? | 16:54 |
sdake | inc0 i need a couple minutes to conclude plz | 16:54 |
inc0 | duonghq: we still have 2 weeks, let's try | 16:54 |
inc0 | duonghq: mind if I give this time to sdake? | 16:55 |
duonghq | inc0, thanks, so the 1st thing I should do is ask legal team? | 16:55 |
inc0 | yeah | 16:55 |
duonghq | inc0, only one short sentences | 16:55 |
inc0 | sure, don't wait for me;) | 16:56 |
duonghq | I hope that this serie https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398682/ can be merged so the ansible-become bp is completed in this cycle | 16:56 |
duonghq | that's all from me | 16:56 |
inc0 | sdake: | 16:56 |
sdake | i should have mentioned this in the announcements | 16:56 |
sdake | but slipped my mind | 16:56 |
sdake | there are analytics for all kolla deliverables | 16:57 |
sdake | that show download count | 16:57 |
sdake | I am working on a way to provide these generally to other folks that want them | 16:57 |
sdake | in june for exaple iirc there were approximately 5,000 downloads | 16:58 |
inc0 | that's a good number | 16:58 |
inc0 | especially if you add github and other sources of download | 16:58 |
inc0 | it'd be cool to see the trend | 16:59 |
sdake | yup | 16:59 |
sdake | working on it | 16:59 |
inc0 | thanks! | 16:59 |
inc0 | ok we're at the time | 16:59 |
inc0 | thank you all for coming! | 16:59 |
inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:59 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-07-26-15.59.html | 17:00 |
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