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| oanson | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 09:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| dimak | Hey | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:00 |
| oanson | Hello. Who is here for the Dragonflow weekly? | 09:00 |
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| lihi | Hi all | 09:01 |
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| oanson | Let's wait another minute. Maybe nick-ma or xiaohhui will join | 09:02 |
| oanson | Then we can start | 09:02 |
| oanson | All right, then | 09:03 |
| irenab | hi | 09:03 |
| oanson | #info lihi dimak leyal irenab in meeting | 09:04 |
| oanson | #info Roadmap | 09:04 |
| oanson | #topic Roadmap | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:04 | |
| oanson | Pike roadmap is coming along nicely. | 09:04 |
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| oanson | IPv6 is almost complete. lihi I see you uploaded the last patch? | 09:05 |
| lihi | Yes, lets cross fingers that it will pass the gate :) | 09:05 |
| oanson | Hear! Hear! | 09:05 |
| oanson | Northbound API refactor is finally complete. Last patches were merged a few minutes ago | 09:06 |
| oanson | Which broke the VLAN aware VMs patch - but I rebased it. It should be good to go. | 09:06 |
| dimak | 🎊 | 09:06 |
| oanson | Lastly - SFC. dimak, any updates? | 09:06 |
| dimak | I'm still working on getting it to play nice in multinode | 09:07 |
| dimak | I'll rebase once it works | 09:07 |
| oanson | Sure. You have an ETA? | 09:07 |
| dimak | Around 2weeks-ish with all the ongoing stuff | 09:08 |
| dimak | I'll need to make some changes to network access apps | 09:08 |
| oanson | All right. | 09:08 |
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| oanson | I started working on LBaaS. I hope to have a spec up by the end of the week | 09:08 |
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| oanson | Anything else for roadmap? | 09:09 |
| oanson | #topic Open Discussion | 09:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:10 | |
| oanson | Any open issues anyone wants to discuss? | 09:10 |
| dimak | I took a look at the l3 flavor extension | 09:11 |
| irenab | oanson, lbass driver for octavia? | 09:11 |
| oanson | It will be part of the LBaaS spec | 09:11 |
| oanson | The design will include L4,L7. | 09:11 |
| oanson | Pools, monitors, classification, etc. | 09:12 |
| dimak | Did you get to look at ovs+ebpf? | 09:12 |
| oanson | It just takes time to sift through the docs | 09:12 |
| irenab | its interal for DF, but from the OpenStack perspecive, it will be driver for Octavia, right? | 09:12 |
| oanson | dimak, no. Do you have a link? | 09:12 |
| oanson | Wait I have it | 09:12 |
| oanson | http://openvswitch.org/support/ovscon2016/7/1120-tu.pdf | 09:12 |
| dimak | Yes | 09:12 |
| dimak | Plus there's bcc | 09:13 |
| dimak | they have p4 to ebpf compiler | 09:13 |
| oanson | Yes. That looks cool | 09:13 |
| dimak | and some examples | 09:13 |
| dimak | like the http monitor | 09:13 |
| lihi | oanson it this supposed to be used instead or parallel to openflow? | 09:14 |
| oanson | dimak, Did you look at ODL's southbound abstraction? | 09:14 |
| dimak | I haven't | 09:14 |
| oanson | lih, we haven't decided | 09:14 |
| dimak | lihi, I read some slides that delegate some actions to ebpf programs | 09:15 |
| oanson | In general, we're having issues deciding how all the applications play together when not tightly-coupled. | 09:15 |
| dimak | and some slides that implement openflow in ebpf | 09:15 |
| oanson | Having the apps implement themselves partly in OpenFlow, partly eBPF, partly P4, adds another layer of complexity. | 09:15 |
| dimak | But I'm not sure any of this work was opensourced | 09:15 |
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| dimak | oanson, about the coupling | 09:16 |
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| oanson | Yes | 09:16 |
| irenab | oanson, seems the issues of tightly coupled apps is not related to the southbound API | 09:16 |
| dimak | as long as we have some notion of apps and their boundries, each app can implement itself as it sees best | 09:16 |
| irenab | dimak, +1 | 09:16 |
| dimak | The datapath will just glue all the ports together | 09:17 |
| oanson | irenab, true. I'm just saying that making the southbound API more flexible makes coupling/de-coupling the apps more complicated | 09:17 |
| dimak | You can create a linux bridge + iptables and have taps for input output | 09:17 |
| irenab | I am still concern if this way will lead to the optimised DP | 09:17 |
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| dimak | then ovs bridge with ports | 09:17 |
| oanson | dimak, how will you define these boundaries? | 09:17 |
| dimak | or ebpf | 09:17 |
| dimak | by describing their method, be it taps, ovs table, veth pairs | 09:18 |
| oanson | I'm not sure I want to throw in iptables, veth pairs, etc. to the mix | 09:18 |
| irenab | sounds like there can be some meta language to define the app, and it can be 'compiled' to any SB API | 09:19 |
| dimak | P4? | 09:19 |
| oanson | irenab, yes, but it has to be defined. | 09:19 |
| irenab | agree | 09:19 |
| oanson | P4 is a good direction, I think | 09:19 |
| dimak | But I was talking about something else | 09:19 |
| irenab | need to consider the troubleshooting too, not to over complicate | 09:19 |
| dimak | You can let each app have its own s/b | 09:19 |
| dimak | and just connect the apps to create the pipeline | 09:20 |
| oanson | irenab, yes. If we used a known language (e.g. p4) we can use/write general-purpose tools | 09:20 |
| oanson | dimak, yes, but I want to be able to 'glue' apps with something better than connecting their ports. Otherwise we're just doing SFC graphs | 09:20 |
| oanson | I don't want the l2 app to get the packet via a port and write to a port. I want to look more like a 'p4 function' | 09:21 |
| dimak | I think its best to have some language for all apps | 09:21 |
| dimak | But that also restricts you in some way | 09:22 |
| oanson | dimak, Yes. But I think this will allow us to have better dataplane performance in the long run. I think once we use ports, we will have to pay for them. | 09:22 |
| oanson | ports/interfaces/iptables/veth pairs/etc. | 09:23 |
| dimak | The thing is, if we have OVS only apps, we don't have to use ports :) | 09:23 |
| dimak | We can optimize that | 09:23 |
| dimak | and also reorder the tables ahead of time to avoid resubmitting | 09:23 |
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| oanson | Then I'm confused about what you said before. Could you start over? | 09:24 |
| dimak | But every so often openflow won't cut it, you'll packet-in or go to other datapath | 09:24 |
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| oanson | True | 09:25 |
| dimak | I meant that we can define some DSL (P4) for OVS apps | 09:25 |
| oanson | But I was hoping that eBPF/P4 will make these cases smaller | 09:25 |
| dimak | and we don't have to pay much performance to glue those | 09:25 |
| oanson | dimak, yes. | 09:25 |
| dimak | But maybe we'd like to offer "bring your own datapath backend" for third party apps | 09:26 |
| oanson | If they provide an DSL codeblock (e.g. P4 function, eBPF function, etc.) that's a non-issue | 09:26 |
| oanson | If they want to work with a port-pair, they can use SFC | 09:26 |
| oanson | (That's what it's there for) | 09:26 |
| dimak | What if they want to work with a HW card on the node? | 09:27 |
| irenab | or switch | 09:27 |
| dimak | yeah | 09:27 |
| oanson | I think most smart-nics support eBPF/P4. Dunno about switches (I think they're still OpenFlow) | 09:27 |
| dimak | Anyway, I am not sure its a usecase for the cloud | 09:28 |
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| oanson | In the end, we want to be an application platform. That's also a cloud use-case. If you want a network functionality added, just add an app to Dragonflow. That's why we're unhappy with the SB in the first place. | 09:29 |
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| oanson | All right. I think we run this conversation to the ground. Any action items so far, or dimak you want to take this offline? | 09:31 |
| dimak | We can take this offline | 09:32 |
| dimak | I also mentioned l3 flavors earlier :) | 09:32 |
| oanson | dimak, sorry. I missed that. Say again? | 09:32 |
| irenab | you mean having DF Router with neutron refeence L2? | 09:32 |
| dimak | Yes | 09:32 |
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| dimak | It would require quite a lot of heavy lifting at the moment | 09:33 |
| dimak | but with SB api maybe we can do it easier | 09:33 |
| dimak | it will mean that we'll have some reduced DF controller with l3+snat apps | 09:33 |
| dimak | plus new app for classification/dispatch from OVS agent tables | 09:33 |
| oanson | Yes. What heavy lifting is needed? | 09:34 |
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| dimak | Plus it means that we still need our NB database just for the agenty | 09:34 |
| dimak | the l3 agent | 09:34 |
| oanson | Yes. We can't do without our database. | 09:34 |
| dimak | And pub-sub, though we can implement rabbit drivers and piggyback on it | 09:35 |
| oanson | But using the etcd backend makes this a non-issue. etcd already exists, and by definition we can assume it's there and use it | 09:35 |
| dimak | because any neutron deployment already uses rabbit | 09:35 |
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| oanson | Yes. pub_sub driver can be either rabbitmq or etcd. I'd prefer etcd, but both is event better :) | 09:35 |
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| oanson | dimak, you mentioned a design for l3 flavour (previous meeting). How is that coming along? | 09:37 |
| oanson | You could mention there all the things we're missing. | 09:37 |
| dimak | I think thats about it | 09:37 |
| oanson | It might help us cookie-cut southbound API requirements. | 09:37 |
| dimak | A southbound API can help here a lot I think | 09:38 |
| dimak | To make the apps more composable | 09:38 |
| oanson | classification/dispatch app should be easy (the current one is less than 100 lines) | 09:38 |
| oanson | We can try making the table assignment more dynamic, for now. | 09:39 |
| oanson | If needed. | 09:39 |
| dimak | Yes | 09:39 |
| dimak | There's also the fields we use, need to see ovs agent does that | 09:39 |
| oanson | Technically dragonflow should support starting with only L3 and an snat app. It's a configuration issue. It needs to be tested though | 09:40 |
| oanson | We can try to make the field names configurable | 09:40 |
| dimak | Umm, will we require the ml2 plugin for port/network events? | 09:41 |
| oanson | We may need a watered-down plugin here too. | 09:41 |
| oanson | Might be interesting to break that apart to what we need. I think irenab's been saying that for a while now :) | 09:42 |
| irenab | indeed | 09:42 |
| oanson | So now we also have a use-case | 09:42 |
| dimak | If we decide to push it for rocky we should have write a spec for it | 09:42 |
| oanson | Rocky? | 09:43 |
| oanson | Don't we have Queens first? | 09:43 |
| dimak | oh right | 09:43 |
| oanson | I don't know if its a lot of work. I think it's mostly gluing things we have together and testing them. | 09:43 |
| oanson | Or am I missing something? | 09:43 |
| irenab | there is also some mixed deployment use case, for running both ova and DF in same cluster | 09:44 |
| dimak | its mostly that | 09:44 |
| oanson | irenab, I think we should already support that | 09:44 |
| irenab | should this have higher priority? | 09:44 |
| oanson | And if we don't, we should regardless of this scenario | 09:44 |
| dimak | oanson, we don't have that yet | 09:44 |
| irenab | I think it may be helful for misgration from ovs to df | 09:44 |
| oanson | Well, that's a shame :( | 09:44 |
| dimak | We should see if ovs is going to be superseded by ovn, | 09:45 |
| irenab | anyway, seems we may need some priority over all interesting items that were raised | 09:45 |
| oanson | dimak, wait, what | 09:45 |
| oanson | ? | 09:45 |
| oanson | irenab, yes. dimak, why don't you add all this to the spec. We'll try to carve out a list of priorities and time-tables? | 09:45 |
| dimak | Sure | 09:46 |
| oanson | We'll see who can chip in next week. | 09:46 |
| oanson | (Or during the week, if you get the spec up earlier) | 09:46 |
| dimak | I'll open a bp and upload it | 09:46 |
| oanson | dimak, a bug, not a bp. | 09:46 |
| oanson | I think it would be best to phase the bps out. It's easier to manage the open tasks when it's in one place | 09:46 |
| dimak | Ok | 09:46 |
| oanson | You can add a 'feature', 'rfe', or 'blueprint' tag to the bug if you'd like | 09:47 |
| dimak | I don't mind | 09:47 |
| oanson | Great. Thanks. | 09:47 |
| oanson | Anything else? | 09:47 |
| oanson | All right, then. | 09:48 |
| oanson | Thanks everyone for coming. | 09:48 |
| irenab | thanks, bye | 09:48 |
| oanson | #endmeeting | 09:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 09:48:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-06-12-09.00.html | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-06-12-09.00.txt | 09:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-06-12-09.00.log.html | 09:48 |
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| dmellado | o/ Hi Kuryrs xD | 14:04 |
| apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:05 |
| janonymous | o/ Hi xD | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 14:05:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| irenab | hi | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:05 |
| garyloug | o/ | 14:05 |
| mchiappero | o/ | 14:05 |
| limao | o/ | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | WHos' here for the show? | 14:05 |
| janonymous | o/ | 14:05 |
| kevinz | o/ | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | Thank you all for showing up | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | and sorry for the delay | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-libnetwork | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-libnetwork (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:06 | |
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| apuimedo | We got some new patches on kuryr-libnetwork land last week | 14:07 |
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| apuimedo | #info kuryr-libnetwork moved to use the etcd devstack plugin | 14:07 |
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| apuimedo | it now uses the etcd configured port from the plugin | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | the tag extension check got fixed | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | #info there's some code submitted for a bugfix | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470773/ | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | #action limao and apuimedo to review | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | also egonzalez reported some problem with the zun integration | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | we'll have to take a look | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | anything else? | 14:09 |
| irenab | apuimedo: any bp for zun integration? | 14:10 |
| irenab | maybe on zun project | 14:10 |
| apuimedo | irenab: probably on zun | 14:11 |
| apuimedo | irenab: the problem is with the binding | 14:11 |
| apuimedo | it is not detecting the type apparently | 14:11 |
| irenab | vif type => binding type? | 14:11 |
| apuimedo | right | 14:11 |
| irenab | ok, I guess we can deal having bug reported | 14:11 |
| dmellado | A binding script for this type can't be found | 14:12 |
| dmellado | irenab: ^^ | 14:12 |
| irenab | dmnew type that libnetwork integ does not support? | 14:12 |
| egonzalez | not sure about any bp in zun, this is the main change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 14:12 |
| irenab | egonzalez: thanks | 14:12 |
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| irenab | good to see its coming | 14:14 |
| apuimedo | irenab: no, it is ovs | 14:14 |
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| irenab | got it | 14:15 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-kubernetes (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:15 | |
| janonymous | Sorry a bit busy these days, Minor update on client migration, i am working on the migration with reporting and updating possible issues upstream in k8s repo that might affect kuryr, like https://github.com/kubernetes-incubator/client-python/issues/240 and others | 14:15 |
| apuimedo | #info Initial port pool support has been finally merged. Expect performance gains | 14:15 |
| apuimedo | janonymous: thanks for the update! | 14:16 |
| apuimedo | #info macvlan support for pod-in-VM has been finally merged! | 14:16 |
| janonymous | apuimedo: :) | 14:16 |
| apuimedo | #info bearer token support has been merged too. This clears the way for containerized kuryr controller | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | also, because it is a damn bother to generate key and cert for the controller :P | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | #info genericvif is now neutronvif | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | just a rename | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | #info SR-IOV pike spec has been merged as well | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | kzaitsev_pi: you'll have some rebases to do though | 14:19 |
| apuimedo | #info OpenDaylight is working on integrating with kuryr kubernetes, they sent a sample devstack local.conf https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471012/ | 14:19 |
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| apuimedo | #info work is lining up for functional and full stack tests. A new repo is being created for the tempest plugin. It will use the same k8s incubator python client janonymous is trying to port kuryr-kubernetes to | 14:21 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: is that the proper link? | 14:21 |
| dmellado | I don't see any local.conf there | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: nope. Obviously I fucked up | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | xD | 14:21 |
| dmellado | xD | 14:21 |
| dmellado | -1 xD | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/449309 | 14:21 |
| dmellado | thanks! | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | Anything else on kuryr-kubernetes? | 14:22 |
| kevinz | I have one | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | If anybody wants to know, the next big thing to tackle, now that we merged so much stuff today | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | should be the cni daemon split | 14:23 |
| janonymous | \o/ :D | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | and the containerization that vikasc started a week or two ago | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: go ahead | 14:23 |
| kevinz | I'm working on integrate kuryr-kubernetes with magnum | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | ah! | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | That's great | 14:23 |
| dmellado | awesome ;) | 14:23 |
| kevinz | Thx | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | how may we help you? | 14:23 |
| kevinz | :-) | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: should it use packages or source? | 14:24 |
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| dmellado | and the next question is, do you have any review around? xD | 14:24 |
| kevinz | From magnum side they want kuryr-kubernetes in container | 14:24 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: that's good | 14:24 |
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| kevinz | Yeah I have one, but still in investigation | 14:25 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: both the controller and the cni side? | 14:25 |
| kevinz | Yes I think both in container is well | 14:25 |
| kevinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/integrate-kuryr-kubernetes | 14:26 |
| kevinz | Here is the link in magnum | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | thanks | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/integrate-kuryr-kubernetes | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: note that you should probably configure kuryr controller in macvlan mode | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | at least until heat has the support for trunk ports merged | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | oh, I see that you have that in the BP already! | 14:27 |
| kevinz | apuimedo: yes, I have used the heat patch to test: https://review.openstack.org/442496 | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: well, the good thing is that you can do without with the merged-today macvlan support | 14:28 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: another question | 14:28 |
| apuimedo | where should magnum be pulling the container from? | 14:28 |
| apuimedo | and what to you use to deploy kubernetes? Kubeadm? | 14:28 |
| kevinz | Yesterday I file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1697279 | 14:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1697279 in kuryr-kubernetes "devstack fail when create_k8s_router_fake_service in overcloud" [Undecided,New] | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | ah, yes | 14:29 |
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| apuimedo | I saw it | 14:29 |
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| kevinz | apuimedo: do I do something wrong with this? | 14:29 |
| kevinz | apuimedo: Magnum use hyperkube to deploy k8s:-) | 14:30 |
| apuimedo | like us then | 14:30 |
| kevinz | apuimedo: and pulling the hyperkube from gcr.io | 14:30 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: if you had the ovs probe disabled | 14:30 |
| apuimedo | it should not have failed | 14:30 |
| apuimedo | I'm right now testing the exact same you are doing | 14:31 |
| kevinz | apuimedo: Thx very much | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472763/ | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: I'm hoping to get my patch to work between tonight and tomorrow, so I will find out any issues that there could be | 14:31 |
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| kevinz | apuimedo: I'm very happy to see this devstack heat script | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | if you want to stick around #openstack-kuryr we can keep looking at the issues | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: we already have it for baremetal | 14:32 |
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| kevinz | apuimedo: OK thx a lot | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | and it has been a lifesaver for me | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | so much time saved | 14:32 |
| Irenab_ | I will check this pa ch tomorrow as well | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | I hope this overcloud one will prove as useful | 14:32 |
| kevinz | haha It's cool | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | at least until we have the magnum integration finished | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | thanks Irenab_ | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: to summarize. We need to: | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | - address this overcloud router issue | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | - finish containerizing the controller and cni | 14:33 |
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| apuimedo | alright, anything else on kuryr-k8s land? | 14:34 |
| kevinz | apuimedo: Thx ! That's great for your help | 14:34 |
| kevinz | apuimedo: I think that will be easier for kuryr with magnum | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | kevinz: I'm looking forward to that a lot | 14:35 |
| apuimedo | #topic fuxi | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fuxi (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:35 | |
| apuimedo | #chair hongbin | 14:35 |
| openstack | Current chairs: apuimedo hongbin | 14:35 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: you have the floor | 14:35 |
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| zengchen1 | it seems that hongbin is not online. | 14:36 |
| ltomasbo | hi all, sorry I'm late, was giving a presentation... Will read the logs | 14:36 |
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| apuimedo | alright then. I'll give the updates | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | #info fuxi-golang is about to merge | 14:37 |
| zengchen1 | the repository of fuxi-golang is set up. we can start work on it. | 14:37 |
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| apuimedo | #info fuxi-kubernetes initial patch is approved as well | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | ah. That is great! | 14:38 |
| zengchen1 | apuimedo:I have a question about fuxi-k8s. | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | go ahead | 14:38 |
| hongbin | o/ | 14:39 |
| zengchen1 | apuimedo:when mounting volume on node which runs process of kubelet, the volume driver need to know whether the node is VM or bare metal machines. If the node is bare metal machine, then just mount volume to it. However, if it is VM, then it has to mount volume via Nova. How does Kuryr do when it supplies network for K8S? | 14:39 |
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| apuimedo | zengchen1: with trunk ports or allowed IP addresses | 14:39 |
| Irenab_ | It's a matter of proper driver configuration | 14:40 |
| Irenab_ | Nested versus be | 14:40 |
| Irenab_ | Bare metal | 14:40 |
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| apuimedo | zengchen1: I would just target baremetal at first | 14:41 |
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| zengchen1 | apuimedo: does kuryr just supply network for container which runs on baremetal? | 14:42 |
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| apuimedo | zengchen1: no. It does both | 14:42 |
| Irenab_ | I thought the use case for Fuxi-k8s is bare metal only | 14:42 |
| apuimedo | but first we started with baremetal | 14:42 |
| apuimedo | Irenab_: I assume for pod-in-vm they could provide manila as a novelty | 14:43 |
| apuimedo | zengchen1: in your case, you'd just need to do the following | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | fuxi-kubernetes handler would be configured as pod-in-vm | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | s/handler/driver/ | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | then the driver would first attach the nova | 14:44 |
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| apuimedo | then the flexvolume would put into container | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | zengchen1: right? | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | s/would first attach the nova/would first attach using nova/ | 14:45 |
| zengchen1 | apuimedo:you mean driver runs in pod? | 14:45 |
| apuimedo | zengchen1: controller can run on a pod optionally, but that's not what I meant | 14:45 |
| zengchen1 | apuimedo:got it. | 14:46 |
| apuimedo | what I meant is that fuxi-kubernetes can see where the pod is scheduled, if the node is a nova instance, it can call nova to attach the volume, right? | 14:46 |
| zengchen1 | apuimedo:yes | 14:46 |
| apuimedo | good | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | anything else on fuxi land? | 14:47 |
| hongbin | nothing else from me | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | #action irenab to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470923/4 | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | #topic open discussion | 14:47 |
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| apuimedo | any other topic before we close shop? | 14:48 |
| hongbin | i have one for libnetwork | 14:48 |
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| hongbin | apuimedo: could i go ahead right now? | 14:49 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: sure | 14:49 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: i wanted to discuss this proposal: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-libnetwork/+spec/existing-subnet | 14:50 |
| hongbin | want to get some early feedback first, do you think if it is a good idea? | 14:50 |
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| apuimedo | when would these options be passed | 14:51 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: on docker run | 14:51 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: sorry, on docker network create | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: ah | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | I was gonna say. I don't recall docker run taking options | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | :P | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | that would be great | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | though | 14:52 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: it will pass a driver-specific option (i.e. kuryr.subnet.uuid) | 14:52 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: it will be the same way we passed network/subnetpool | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: and how will you store it for the ipam to know which subnets should it use? | 14:52 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: there are several options, one is store it as a tag | 14:53 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: then, when the ipam is search a subnet, it searches a specific tag first | 14:53 |
| Irenab_ | Do you expect network to exist as well? | 14:54 |
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| hongbin | Irenab_: i think yes, if there is a existing subnet, the network has to be pre-existed | 14:54 |
| Irenab_ | I wonder if his is not redundant for the network option | 14:55 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: I'm fine with it. But I'd really like the BP to have a description of the possibilities for mapping which subnets should ipam use | 14:55 |
| hongbin | Irenab_: the project this proposal is going to solve is the overlapping cidr, so the network option couldn't resolve this problem | 14:55 |
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| hongbin | apuimedo: sure, i can write the details into the whiteboard | 14:56 |
| Irenab_ | Please address e use case it serves,, overlapping ips | 14:56 |
| apuimedo | thanks hongbin! | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | alright. Closing up | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | Thank you all for joining! | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 14:57:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-06-12-14.05.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-06-12-14.05.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-06-12-14.05.log.html | 14:57 |
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| thedac | o/ | 17:03 |
| coreycb | o/ | 17:03 |
| wolsen | o/ | 17:03 |
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| Dmitrii-Sh | o/ | 17:04 |
| thedac | I think coreycb will be running the meeting. Let's give him a sec | 17:04 |
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| coreycb | yep, hi everyone | 17:05 |
| coreycb | #startmeeting charms | 17:05 |
| coreycb | #startmeeting charms | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 17:05:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is coreycb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:06 |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:06 |
| coreycb | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review ACTION points from previous meeting (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:06 | |
| coreycb | Dmitrii-Sh track the network-binding not being able to be changed after deploy/add-unit. | 17:06 |
| coreycb | Dmitrii-Sh: do you have an update on that? | 17:06 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: it is still deep in the backlog | 17:07 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: haven't seen any activity on the feature | 17:07 |
| coreycb | Dmitrii-Sh: ok should we keep that as an action? | 17:07 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: I don't think so | 17:07 |
| coreycb | Dmitrii-Sh: ok | 17:08 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: I will track it separately as it seems like a difficult feature to implement | 17:08 |
| coreycb | Dmitrii-Sh: thanks | 17:08 |
| jamespage | that might end up a won't fix | 17:08 |
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| coreycb | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 17:08 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: besides, MAAS is agentless | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "State of Development for next Charm Release (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:08 | |
| coreycb | sorry, feel free to continue discussing the prior item | 17:09 |
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| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: MAAS doesn't have agents, so technically you cannot change the network config on a node | 17:09 |
| jamespage | yup it is what it is from the point of being provisioned | 17:09 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | however, there are other possibilities like SDN or VPN connections | 17:09 |
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| Dmitrii-Sh | where you can add interfaces dynamically | 17:10 |
| jamespage | it might happen to have a connection, but its not assured unless specified during deployment I think | 17:10 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | same with vlan interfaces by the way | 17:10 |
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| Dmitrii-Sh | jamespage: yes | 17:10 |
| coreycb | Dmitrii-Sh: ack alright well keep us posted | 17:10 |
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| Dmitrii-Sh | coreycb: thx | 17:11 |
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| coreycb | there are some prior items listed for "State of Development for next Charm Release" but not sure i need to paste or not | 17:11 |
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| coreycb | well i will | 17:11 |
| coreycb | zesty amulet? how's that? | 17:11 |
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| thedac | One to go! | 17:12 |
| coreycb | thedac: w00t! | 17:12 |
| thedac | the LXD charm has small bug still | 17:12 |
| coreycb | thedac: keeping with you, next is Snaps in charms | 17:12 |
| thedac | Still working on the keystone PoC workging. Getting all the dependencies to use session based auth | 17:13 |
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| thedac | fnordahl: hi, would you be able to comment on our policy.json work? | 17:14 |
| coreycb | thedac: ok. i want to get to the bottom of that. i wonder if it's related to the issue i'm debugging with oslo.config's default config paths. | 17:14 |
| thedac | coreycb: could be, we can touch base after the meeting | 17:14 |
| coreycb | thedac: ok | 17:14 |
| coreycb | next item is Internal-DNS | 17:14 |
| wolsen | are we going to get a spec for snaps in charms? | 17:15 |
| fnordahl | thedac: yes. so far I have determined that it is a pure Horizon issue. | 17:15 |
| thedac | wolsen: you and your perfectly reasonable requests. Yes, I'll start working on that | 17:15 |
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| wolsen | for internal-dns, code has been implemented and has landed - still need amulet and mojo tests... my load has lightened a bit I should be able to get some progress on those this week | 17:15 |
| coreycb | wolsen: awesome, congrats | 17:16 |
| thedac | fnordahl: thanks for working on that. I suppose that is relatively good news. Though fixing it in horizon may be difficult | 17:16 |
| wolsen | its available in master, so if anyone wants to use it for their own fun clouds... bugs welcomed | 17:16 |
| fnordahl | thedac: I'll look into it. Have previous experience on inner workings of Horizon. I did some networking code in the past (I implemented the subnet-pool support) | 17:16 |
| thedac | fnordahl: fantastic. Thanks. | 17:17 |
| coreycb | thedac: fnordahl: want me to add policy.json to the agenda list for state of dev? | 17:17 |
| fnordahl | coreycb: sure | 17:17 |
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| coreycb | ok done | 17:17 |
| coreycb | anything else for state of development? | 17:18 |
| wolsen | need to add glusterfs charm | 17:18 |
| thedac | wolsen: yes, let's do | 17:18 |
| coreycb | wolsen: i'll add that. cholcombe are you around for an update on glusterfs charm? | 17:18 |
| cholcombe | coreycb: yeah what's up? | 17:18 |
| coreycb | cholcombe: just getting updates on state of charm development. have short summary? | 17:19 |
| cholcombe | i'm working through the review on the charm and doing test deployments. it hasn't gotten much further than installing the packages and formatting the drives | 17:19 |
| cholcombe | i'm thinking about a publishing a spec to formalize things a bit more but i'm under a very tight deadline | 17:20 |
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| coreycb | cholcombe: ok thanks for the update | 17:21 |
| cholcombe | :) | 17:21 |
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| coreycb | #topic High Priority Bugs | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High Priority Bugs (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:21 | |
| coreycb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms/+bugs | 17:22 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | does anyone know in which state were the merge proposals for https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/glance-simplestreams-sync/+bug/1611987 left in? | 17:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1611987 in OpenStack glance-simplestreams-sync charm "glance-simplestreams-sync charm doesn't support keystone v3" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Liam Young (gnuoy) | 17:22 |
| coreycb | Use stable-backport tag for bugs http://tinyurl.com/charm-stable-backports | 17:22 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | yes, they need to be rebased but feature-wise | 17:23 |
| thedac | Dmitrii-Sh: smoser was asking about those this morning. I need to get a handle on what needs doing still | 17:23 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ok | 17:23 |
| coreycb | fyi, my response wasn't in response to Dmitrii-Sh | 17:23 |
| coreycb | just from the agenda skeleton | 17:23 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ack | 17:23 |
| coreycb | do we have any status on the critical bugs? | 17:25 |
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| coreycb | cholcombe: do you have any news on bug 1675186? | 17:25 |
| openstack | bug 1675186 in OpenStack ceph-osd charm "ceph-osd storage-attached hook fails" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675186 - Assigned to Chris Holcombe (xfactor973) | 17:25 |
| thedac | coreycb: I do not. If anyone is free to look at those it would be appreciated | 17:26 |
| coreycb | also there is bug 1478980 | 17:26 |
| openstack | bug 1478980 in OpenStack hacluster charm "If the principle updates a resource parameter of an already configured resource hacluster ignores it" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478980 | 17:26 |
| cholcombe | coreycb: i don't have any updates on it no. | 17:26 |
| coreycb | the other 2 critical bugs have fixes commited | 17:26 |
| wolsen | yeah a couple need reviews, I'll take a look at those | 17:26 |
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| coreycb | ok moving on | 17:27 |
| coreycb | #topic Openstack Events | 17:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Events (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:28 | |
| cholcombe | coreycb: the hooks/install has netifaces in the dependencies. i think i can close that bug | 17:28 |
| coreycb | cholcombe: cool :) | 17:29 |
| wolsen | cholcombe: storage attached hook runs before install iirc | 17:29 |
| coreycb | PTG in September | 17:29 |
| wolsen | cholcombe: you may want to just confirm it | 17:29 |
| coreycb | any other events? | 17:29 |
| cholcombe | wolsen: oh that's right. nvm | 17:29 |
| cholcombe | wolsen: i will | 17:29 |
| coreycb | ok moving on | 17:30 |
| coreycb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:30 | |
| coreycb | does anyone have anything else to discuss? | 17:30 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | Question: have anyone looked at supporting partitions for ceph osd journals yet? Can I safely assume that this is free for taking? | 17:30 |
| cholcombe | Dmitrii-Sh: feel free | 17:31 |
| wolsen | Dmitrii-Sh: specifying a specific partition for the osd journal other than what is created w/ external journals? | 17:31 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ok, my customer's use-case is splitting an ssd into two partitions and using one for journaling and another for read optimization with bcache | 17:31 |
| * wolsen trying to understand which level of support is being targeted | 17:31 | |
| wolsen | ok | 17:31 |
| cholcombe | Dmitrii-Sh: yeah there's nothing on the roadmap for that yet | 17:32 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | ok, thx for the info | 17:32 |
| cholcombe | the ceph charms are not getting any major additions this cycle so snaps can be focused on | 17:32 |
| cholcombe | Dmitrii-Sh: outside contributions are always encouraged though :) | 17:33 |
| wolsen | Dmitrii-Sh: I'm curious if you'd be able to get away with that today actually | 17:33 |
| wolsen | oh except for the journal zapping thing | 17:33 |
| wolsen | nevermind me, explore at your own leisure | 17:34 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | wolsen: I will take a look today | 17:34 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | wolsen: I don't have much time on it anyway, so I might need to get it done fast :^) | 17:34 |
| wolsen | Dmitrii-Sh: k, if the journal isn't zapped I think you can probably do it with the current charms :) | 17:34 |
| wolsen | we can talk after if needed | 17:34 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | yes, let's do it | 17:35 |
| coreycb | #topic Next Chair | 17:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next Chair (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:35 | |
| coreycb | jamespage | 17:35 |
| coreycb | is the next chair | 17:35 |
| coreycb | thanks everyone! | 17:35 |
| coreycb | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 17:35:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-06-12-17.05.html | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-06-12-17.05.txt | 17:35 |
| Dmitrii-Sh | thanks coreycb | 17:35 |
| wolsen | thanks coreycb ! | 17:35 |
| tinwood | thanks coreycb | 17:35 |
| thedac | thanks, coreycb | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-06-12-17.05.log.html | 17:35 |
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| fnordahl | thanks, coreycb o/ | 17:38 |
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