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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 07:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 5 07:59:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 07:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 07:59 |
| elisha_r | hio | 07:59 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 07:59 |
| annarez | Hi! | 07:59 |
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| eyalb | \0/ | 08:00 |
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| idan_hefetz | Hi! | 08:03 |
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| ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | •Status and Updates | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | •Boston Summit | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | •Open Discussion | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:06 | |
| ifat_afek | My update: I worked a little on the persistent database design. Checked OrientDB and ArangoDB. I tend to prefer OrientDB – it is more commonly used and has a wider set of features. | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | While working on this, the question of how to support RCA history was raised again | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | One of the main goals of implementing a persistent graph DB was to support the RCA history, but it is not clear that this is the ideal implementation | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | There might be other ways to store and replay the history (e.g. as an event list). | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | At the moment I’m not sure that we will have the design ready by Pike-1 (the end of next week). | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Who else wants to update? | 08:08 |
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| danoffek | Hi Guys | 08:08 |
| danoffek | I'll update | 08:08 |
| danoffek | Didn't work on Vitrage ID for some time now. | 08:08 |
| danoffek | Got back to it, and after some merge conflict, and partially lost code (my vm died), I'm back to working on passing tempest tests | 08:09 |
| danoffek | Once it's done, we have Vitrage ID. | 08:09 |
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| ifat_afek | Too bad that you lost your code :-( | 08:09 |
| danoffek | Yup, but at least we are back to working on it | 08:10 |
| danoffek | So, most of the tempest failures are currently due to the cluster node | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | What do you mean? | 08:10 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hello | 08:11 |
| danoffek | The vertex ID / Vitrage ID are no longer fixed keys, instead, they are standard UUIDs. Almost all failed tempest tests (a few dozen) are using the previously hard coded cluster vitrage ID. | 08:11 |
| danoffek | Fixing it | 08:11 |
| alexey_weyl | Hello Friends | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, thanks | 08:11 |
| danoffek | That's it | 08:11 |
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| ifat_afek | Cool. Who else wants to update ? | 08:12 |
| dwj | I'll update. I finished implementing the resource list API and posted to gerrit for review. | 08:12 |
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| dwj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451778/ | 08:13 |
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| ifat_afek | Great, I saw that | 08:13 |
| ifat_afek | Your blueprint was already approved, right? (I don’t remember) | 08:14 |
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| dwj | let me check.. | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | Found it | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/vitrage-specs/specs/pike/resource-list-api.html | 08:15 |
| dwj | approved | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | Great | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | Any other update? | 08:16 |
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| * yujunz still working on entity equivalence spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451216/ | 08:16 | |
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| yujunz | I wonder if I should start coding or wait for final agreement on the spec | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | Looking | 08:16 |
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| ifat_afek | I’m fine with what you wrote | 08:18 |
| idan_hefetz | Hi yujunz, i see you have new changes, but i havent looked yet, i will do so today | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: you were the last one to respond | 08:19 |
| yujunz | OK, thanks. That's all from me | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | Thanks | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Boston Summit | 08:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Summit (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:19 | |
| ifat_afek | I submitted four suggestions for Vitrage forum sessions: | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | (look for Vitrage) | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | I don’t know when we will get the selection results. | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | Besides that, I’m working on two presentations: the Vitrage Story and the Vitrage project updates. | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | We have had some progress with the Vitrage-collectd demo. Intel succeeded to install Vitrage and raise a collectd alarm | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | Next eyalb and I plan to configure their environment so the alarm will be raised on the right core and be deduced to the vm | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for me | 08:21 |
| alexey_weyl | Is anyone here is coming to Boston? | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | I am :-) | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | I know that a few other team members plan to come | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:24 | |
| ifat_afek | Most of Vitrage core developers will be on vacation next week (April 10-17), so I think we should cancel the next meeting on April 12 | 08:24 |
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| ifat_afek | Any objection? | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, I’ll send a cancellation mail | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | Anything else? | 08:25 |
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| ifat_afek | Goodbye then :-) | 08:26 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:26 |
| elisha_r | bye | 08:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 5 08:26:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:26 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 5 13:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| gmann | Hi, who all here today | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 13:01 |
| gmann | let's wait for a min to have sdague and more people in case | 13:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 13:02 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:02 |
| gmann | #topic priorities | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:03 | |
| gmann | policy spec #link https://review.openstack.org/433037 https://review.openstack.org/427872 | 13:03 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: your turn | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | really, its just a please review | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | not a lot of updates | 13:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is discussion in keystone about the middleware alternative | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | the first one doesn't really conflict with that | 13:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the second one kinda fights it, depending on how you look at it | 13:05 |
| gmann | scope check one? | 13:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, scope check one is fine | 13:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the second one is the additional roles | 13:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone got questions on those? | 13:06 |
| gmann | does keystone have anything up, spec etc for midleware alternative ? | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I can find the link, one sec | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452198/ | 13:07 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am probably the most vocal hater of the current middlewear plan, mostly because it seems to create a heap of issues for operators we just spend time fixing | 13:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: do you have the bandthwidth to talk a look at that policy spec again? | 13:09 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: maybe the first one | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the scope one is the important one | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | largely the bit I would like to get folks started on is the improved functional tests | 13:10 |
| gmann | yea those will be nice. | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its time to move on | 13:11 |
| gmann | policy docs are in nice shape and good progress #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-docs | 13:12 |
| gmann | i think those are almost done with what we have up right now | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its looking really close | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/sample_policy.html | 13:13 |
| gmann | security one was really mess with deprecated APIs and other server one with single policy | 13:13 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452309/ | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: if I create a specless BP to remove the discoverable rules, would you approved that? | 13:13 |
| mriedem | context? | 13:14 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: can you check if my suggestion looks fine or any better way to describe those | 13:14 |
| mriedem | is that just b/c now that extensions are gone, | 13:14 |
| mriedem | discoverability doesn't matter? | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, sorry, see the sample policy and search for "discoverable" | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | used to hide extensions existing, but you can't turn any off any more | 13:14 |
| gmann | yea "discoverable" are just used in extension_info right now | 13:15 |
| mriedem | we don't actually check the policy rule for that anywhere? | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically hard code everything to be visiable, and remove the policy | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I thought we did | 13:15 |
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| gmann | mriedem: johnthetubaguy only in exntension_info while showing list of extensions which are not for any use i think | 13:16 |
| * sdague sneaks in late | 13:17 | |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: you might be right, I can't see them being used anywhere any more | 13:17 |
| gmann | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/extension_info.py#L225 | 13:17 |
| mriedem | if context.can(action, fatal=False): | 13:17 |
| mriedem | yeah same thing gmann linked | 13:17 |
| mriedem | that's where it's checked | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just found that too | 13:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | seems fine to just return true there | 13:18 |
| gmann | yea | 13:18 |
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| mriedem | i guess we deprecated extensions at some point https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#extensions-extensions-deprecated | 13:19 |
| mriedem | maybe that was liberty? | 13:19 |
| mriedem | https://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/extensions.html | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly | 13:19 |
| sdague | liberty sounds about right | 13:20 |
| mriedem | so it looks like the only place discoverable is used is the GET /extensions APIs | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the config options got dropped a cycle or two ago | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:20 |
| gmann | yea | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-discoverable-policy-rules | 13:20 |
| mriedem | and since you can't whitelist/blacklist extensions, they should all be discoverable now? | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:20 |
| mriedem | ok seems fair | 13:20 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/75280e582e6d607b38bc2af9f51f80fd5135453c | 13:21 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/04f8612aa99e618767a85d2f674ecdfc01955ff7 | 13:21 |
| mriedem | added the wording | 13:21 |
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| mriedem | so that was newton | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think we keep the API | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just killing the policy related to it | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its not a distraction from the other policy rules | 13:22 |
| mriedem | yeah | 13:22 |
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| mriedem | sdague: you fine with this? | 13:22 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:22 |
| mriedem | then let it be so | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | its super interesting, if you got back a few cycles, the policy files was a monster (compute.api.py and two API code bases) | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have got a long way forward here | 13:23 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, it's amazing how progress does happen :) | 13:23 |
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| mriedem | bp is approved | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: thanks | 13:24 |
| gmann | cool, thanks | 13:24 |
| * gmann mriedem approved before adding Action iteam :) | 13:24 | |
| gmann | anything else on priority items ? | 13:24 |
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| gmann | let's move then | 13:25 |
| gmann | #topic open | 13:25 |
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| mriedem | i've got something if no one elsedoes | 13:25 |
| sdague | mriedem: go for it | 13:25 |
| gmann | api extension removal are in good review progress | 13:25 |
| gmann | mriedem: please go ahead | 13:26 |
| mriedem | i've got this spec for removing bdm device name from server create and volume attach POST requests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452546/ | 13:26 |
| mriedem | ftersin pointed out in the ML and the spec review, | 13:26 |
| mriedem | about the image bdm override use case on the server create | 13:26 |
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| mriedem | which i didn't know was a thing, but apparently ec2 api users care about it b/c people using aws do this a lot | 13:26 |
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| mriedem | i guess | 13:26 |
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| mriedem | so, | 13:27 |
| mriedem | i've basically given up on trying to solve the server create part of this for pike, | 13:27 |
| mriedem | but i'm wondering if there is use in still removing device from the volume attach post request, | 13:27 |
| mriedem | since that doesn't have the image bdm override thing | 13:27 |
| mriedem | for volume attach, it's just a request parameter field we don't honor, at least not for libvirt | 13:27 |
| mriedem | i can't say for sure how the user-supplied device name works for hyperv, xen or vmware | 13:28 |
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| mriedem | fin | 13:28 |
| sdague | mriedem: is there something about the wording of the API docs that might help here? | 13:28 |
| * johnthetubaguy is pondering it | 13:28 | |
| mriedem | sdague: in the api docs we say for that field that for libvirt it's not honored | 13:29 |
| mriedem | since liberty | 13:29 |
| mriedem | but, for example, tempest still passes it in most tests | 13:29 |
| mriedem | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=attach-a-volume-to-an-instance-detail#attach-a-volume-to-an-instance | 13:29 |
| mriedem | "Name of the device such as, /dev/vdb. Omit or set this parameter to null for auto-assignment, if supported. If you specify this parameter, the device must not exist in the guest operating system. Note that as of the 12.0.0 Liberty release, the Nova libvirt driver no longer honors a user-supplied device name. This is the same behavior as if the device name parameter is not supplied on the request." | 13:29 |
| sdague | mriedem: so, when it's used by EC2, what value is passed? | 13:30 |
| mriedem | the same thing that the user supplies, | 13:30 |
| mriedem | the thing about the image bdm override case, | 13:30 |
| mriedem | is that the device_name is used to match the user-supplied bdms in the server create request with any defined in the image metadata | 13:30 |
| mriedem | because in our shitty data model, we use instance_uuid and device_name as a sort of unique constraint | 13:31 |
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| mriedem | for an update_or_create operation in the db api | 13:31 |
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| mriedem | so as a hack, you can boot a server with an image that has bdm metadata, and override / customize the bfv experience with your own bdms in the request, iff they match the device names in the image meta | 13:31 |
| mriedem | which is a completely terrible ux | 13:31 |
| mriedem | but it's a thing people apparently do | 13:31 |
| sdague | ah, yeh, this bleeds out of the amazon api because it's xen bleed through I htink | 13:31 |
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| mriedem | as far as i know, xen might be the only backend that honors the user-supplied device name | 13:32 |
| sdague | yeh, that's my expectation | 13:32 |
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| mriedem | there is that whole is_xen() check in the api code | 13:32 |
| sdague | you get a bunch of guest assistance because of xenbus | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the device name is defiantly xen specific there | 13:33 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/utils.py#L166 | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I am not sure the ordering is any more certain than with KVM, but I could be wrong | 13:33 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't know, this seem like one of those hard problems to unwind because of the EC2 case | 13:33 |
| mriedem | right, so it seems like solving that ux problem, | 13:34 |
| mriedem | or replacing it, | 13:34 |
| mriedem | is going to require some new thinking on a new api design for that use case, | 13:34 |
| mriedem | and we don't even have a tempest test for this use case today as far as i know, | 13:34 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:34 |
| mriedem | ftersin said it was all regressed a long time ago and ndipanov fixed it | 13:34 |
| mriedem | so i was going to work on a tempest test for this in pike so we don't regress it | 13:34 |
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| sdague | it would be helpful if the ec2 folks got more engaged early on in this | 13:34 |
| mriedem | i was thinking we could maybe long-term use the bdm tag as a correlation field for overrides, | 13:35 |
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| sdague | yeh, the device tagging makes a bunch more sense to me | 13:35 |
| mriedem | but there are things we have to do before that, like actually put the bdm tag in the snapshot meta, and expose bdm tags out of the api | 13:35 |
| gmann | yea tempest has just passing in request (POST server ) #link https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/d44b295a168f067e7352895f4ce0ad32a3ec672d/tempest/scenario/test_volume_migrate_attached.py#L59 | 13:35 |
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| mriedem | so i'm scrapping the server create idea for pike | 13:36 |
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| mriedem | was wondering about volume attach, | 13:36 |
| sdague | mriedem: honestly, I'm not super clear I understand the use case rally from the ec2 side. I feel like I'd need to see pictures to imagine all the things they are doing there | 13:36 |
| mriedem | but at this point it's just kind of a distraction and i'm happy to drop it | 13:36 |
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| mriedem | sdague: ftersin gives an example in the spec review | 13:36 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452546/1/specs/pike/approved/remove-device-from-bdm-post-requests.rst@44 | 13:36 |
| mriedem | it's not a picture, but a scenario | 13:36 |
| mriedem | so i'll work on a tempest test for it to see that it works and then we have a baseline in case we make changes later | 13:37 |
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| sdague | ok | 13:38 |
| sdague | while on the topic of BDMs | 13:39 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408151/ - is the RAID bdm one | 13:39 |
| sdague | which I really don't want us to do | 13:39 |
| mriedem | i had already -1ed that earlier | 13:39 |
| mriedem | for the same thing | 13:39 |
| mriedem | raid config is not going to belong in bdms | 13:39 |
| mriedem | just b/c they are convenient | 13:39 |
| mriedem | imo | 13:39 |
| sdague | but, it would be nice to figure out what the actual use case and path forward is for ironic | 13:40 |
| sdague | mriedem: you want to -2 it then? | 13:40 |
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| mriedem | i'd have to go back and read the latest comments first | 13:40 |
| mriedem | i don't want to offend anyone here with a -2 | 13:40 |
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| mriedem | since it's roman and ironic people | 13:40 |
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| mriedem | the easy thing to do is userdata | 13:41 |
| mriedem | but you don't get api validation on that | 13:41 |
| sdague | you can't do userdata I don't think | 13:42 |
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| sdague | because it happens too late | 13:42 |
| sdague | I think that part of it is also a mismatch between the fact that ironic as a project does let vendor specific stuff directly through to drivers, and we try hard not to do that | 13:43 |
| mriedem | well that and baremetal is a weird bolt on to nova | 13:44 |
| sdague | well, sort of | 13:44 |
| mriedem | i'm referring to resource tracking and scheduling | 13:44 |
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| mriedem | weirdness | 13:44 |
| sdague | sure | 13:44 |
| mriedem | our api is more biased to xen than bm | 13:44 |
| sdague | any time you get an abstraction, you are going to lose fidelity | 13:44 |
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| mriedem | i'd have to read this again, but there is also a proposed forum session for raid config | 13:45 |
| mriedem | http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/16 | 13:45 |
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| sdague | ah, yeh, that's the HPC folks | 13:46 |
| sdague | honestly, that seems like the right conversation location | 13:46 |
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| sdague | I would -2 it until that forum session | 13:46 |
| mriedem | fwiw this is pretty much the reason for the mogan project, for a nova derivative whose API is completely biased toward baremetal use cases | 13:46 |
| mriedem | but that gets everyone riled up | 13:47 |
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| mriedem | ok i noted in the spec | 13:48 |
| mriedem | that defers this out past pike | 13:48 |
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| mriedem | so i've got another thing if we're done with raid | 13:48 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:48 |
| mriedem | ok, | 13:49 |
| mriedem | so in newton i was proposing to deprecate os-interface b/c it's a proxy to neutron to list/show ports, | 13:49 |
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| mriedem | and we want to expose vif tags which are stored in the nova virtual_interfaces table, which was historically nova-net only | 13:49 |
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| mriedem | but with vif tags we use that table for ports too | 13:49 |
| mriedem | so we have this weird case where os-virtual-interfaces is nova-net only, and os-interface is neutron only | 13:49 |
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| mriedem | i think what we want to do is deprecate os-virtual-interface, | 13:50 |
| mriedem | because it's nova-net only | 13:50 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:50 |
| mriedem | and as johnthetubaguy pointed out in that deprecation spec of mine, | 13:50 |
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| mriedem | move the GET from os-virtual-interfaces to os-interface | 13:50 |
| mriedem | and in os-interface, return vif tags (eventually) | 13:50 |
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| mriedem | now since we don't have virtual_interfaces in the database for any ports created before newton, | 13:51 |
| mriedem | we have two options for listing/showing ports in os-interface, | 13:51 |
| mriedem | 1. proxy to neutron if the port isn't in the virtual_interfaces table, | 13:51 |
| mriedem | 2. use the info_cache, but that's per-instance | 13:51 |
| * johnthetubaguy shakes head at the amount of work we created for ourselves in merging half baked and competing APIs | 13:51 | |
| mriedem | so i'm not sure that works | 13:51 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah i feel like most of my blueprints lately are about removing code | 13:52 |
| mriedem | :) | 13:52 |
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| sdague | mriedem: deleting is always good | 13:52 |
| mriedem | oh wait, | 13:52 |
| mriedem | #2 might not be bad | 13:52 |
| mriedem | so os-virtual-interfaces is only a server extension | 13:53 |
| mriedem | so we have the server_id | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: sdague: our love of removing code always seems to remind me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nGyPz9uT0 | 13:53 |
| mriedem | so in that case, we can get the instance.info_cache and list/show ports from that i think | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | (warning contains british humour, yes spelt like that ^) | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the record we have some tidying up of the info_cache | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | some of it syncs from neutron, some of it only we know | 13:54 |
| mriedem | this also reminds me, | 13:54 |
| gmann | can we return vif tags with device or server tag as consolidated tags on server resources and deprecate os-interface ? | 13:54 |
| mriedem | GET /servers/server_id/port_id in os-interface doesn't actually use the server, | 13:54 |
| mriedem | it just goes directly to neutron for the port | 13:54 |
| mriedem | gmann: we can't deprecate os-interface because of the POST and DELETE operatoins | 13:54 |
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| mriedem | to add/remove ports to a server | 13:55 |
| sdague | mriedem: interesting.... | 13:55 |
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| sdague | does neutron every know anything about our server ids? or is it kept unawares? | 13:55 |
| mriedem | sdague: the port.device_id is the owning server | 13:55 |
| mriedem | it's the instance uuid | 13:55 |
| gmann | mriedem: ah yea | 13:55 |
| mriedem | i should step back, | 13:55 |
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| mriedem | my long-term goal is to expose bdm tags and vif tags out of the api | 13:56 |
| mriedem | the bdm tags one is easy, we have os-volume_attachments | 13:56 |
| mriedem | i'm stuck on this vif tag one b/c we have these two competing apis and data models | 13:56 |
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| mriedem | i *think* the way forward is deprecate os-virtual-interface, and use os-interface, but stop proxying to neutron in os-interface and use the info_cache | 13:56 |
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| sdague | mriedem: that seems sensible to me | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: oh yeah, os-volume_attachmens only lists volumes right? | 13:57 |
| mriedem | at some point we might want an action api somewhere to force a refresh of the info_cache | 13:57 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah via bdms | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:57 |
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| mriedem | i'm actually surprised we don't have a force info cache refresh api | 13:57 |
| mriedem | that would seem useful | 13:57 |
| mriedem | but i digress | 13:57 |
| mriedem | and we have 2 minutes | 13:57 |
| gmann | or refresh everytime GET comes | 13:58 |
| gmann | yea 2 min left | 13:58 |
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| mriedem | gmann: but then we get back into that proxy thing | 13:58 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure if that's better than an on-demand forced refresh | 13:58 |
| mriedem | we periodicaly heal the info cache on the computes anyway | 13:58 |
| mriedem | but yeah it might be a lossy api | 13:59 |
| gmann | yea | 13:59 |
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| mriedem | the network API operations in the compute should also be refreshing the info cache if they change resources tied to an instance | 13:59 |
| mriedem | we've seen bugs where that doesn't happen, like deleting a floating ip | 13:59 |
| gmann | i wonder user will use that or at least remember to use before getting tags etc | 13:59 |
| mriedem | anyway, i might just brain dump this to the ML first before working o na spec | 13:59 |
| mriedem | since i'm a bit spec'ed out | 13:59 |
| gmann | anyways 1 min left, | 13:59 |
| gmann | yea | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | we're out of time | 14:00 |
| gmann | thanks everyone let's jump to nova channel | 14:00 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 5 14:00:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-04-05-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-04-05-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-04-05-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 5 14:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
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| alexchadin | welcome here! | 14:01 |
| chrisspencer | o/ | 14:01 |
| vincentfrancois1 | o/ | 14:01 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:01 |
| licanwei | hi | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| ostroverkhov | o/ | 14:01 |
| pshedimb_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | #info Today's agenda is placed here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F05.2F2017 | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| alexchadin | Our current milestone target is Pike-1 due April 10th | 14:01 |
| acabot | o/ | 14:02 |
| alexchadin | so we have 5 BPs and 3 bugs for P-1 | 14:02 |
| alexchadin | I'm not sure that Noisy Neighbor Strategy and gnocchi support will be merged by release time | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | So I propose to move them to the Pike-2 | 14:03 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: Support gnocchi in watcher i not well updated in laucnhpad | 14:04 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: it's actually well under way | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | pshedimb_ sballe_ what do you think about it? | 14:04 |
| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: ok, I've seen your comments | 14:04 |
| acabot | looks ok for pike-1 no ? | 14:04 |
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| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I reckon it can be merged on time | 14:04 |
| vincentfrancois1 | acabot: +1 | 14:05 |
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| alexchadin | yeap, vincentfrancois1 started to review couple of hours ago | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | I will let pshedimb_ answer. We are very close. We could merge what we have and then if we see issues fix them as bugs | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | but pshedimb_ has the last word | 14:05 |
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| alexchadin | ostroverkhov: what about Versioned Notifications for service object? | 14:05 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: great! | 14:06 |
| pshedimb_ | alexchadin, Yeah I can merge whatever I have. But my priority now is to prepare a demo for Boston summit on this. | 14:06 |
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| sballe_ | pshedimb_: +1 | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | We want to make sure it works the way we want it do work and that is why we spend extra time testing the behavior and corner cases | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancois1 | pshedimb_: push for review what you have so you can get feedbacks | 14:07 |
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| alexchadin | sballe_: pshedimb_ let's make decision this Friday then | 14:07 |
| pshedimb_ | So once I receive reviews on the spec and once the spec is approved, I will push in the code change. | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | vincentfrancois1: make sense | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | pshedimb_: +1 | 14:07 |
| pshedimb_ | vincentfrancois1, You want me to push the code before spec review? | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | pshedimb_: code change will be appointed to P-2 | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | pshedimb_: push what you already have | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | pshedimb_: just mark it with [WiP] tag | 14:08 |
| pshedimb_ | alexchadin, Okay, I'll do it in the next 1-2 days. | 14:08 |
| pshedimb_ | Once I integrate with recent changes. | 14:09 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: +1 | 14:09 |
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| alexchadin | move on | 14:10 |
| alexchadin | Open Discussions topic will be follow after Announcements every even weeks. | 14:10 |
| ostroverkhov | alexchadin: I read the messages, but there are a few questions | 14:10 |
| alexchadin | ostroverkhov: ok, I will be in sync with you till the Friday | 14:11 |
| ostroverkhov | alexchadin: ok | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | I hope, nobody will mind about open discussions | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | There are two hacking rooms for gathering on Summit. #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Boston_Forum_Hacking_Rooms | 14:12 |
| alexchadin | They will be filled with roundtables for ad-hoc discussions that projects want to have. | 14:12 |
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| alexchadin | Hynes MR 108 and 109 | 14:12 |
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| sballe_ | nice! alexchadin can you add this to our Boston summit etherpad? I am loosing track of all the details | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | I will set time for us when we can gather | 14:13 |
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| alexchadin | sballe_: sure | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | #topic Open Discussions | 14:14 |
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| alexchadin | We should be prepared for onboarding rooms, where new contributors can come and we may teach them about the project, code, and give them an opportunity to meet established community members. | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | we will have 90 minutes to show newcomers demo of Watcher and teach them our features/show live demo for everyone | 14:15 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: what do you think we should prepare? slides? | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: one more thing. Did you update the generic Watcher slides from last summit? I am working on my slide set and just used the Watcher main arch slides from last summit. We have new contributors from NEC, and other companies that I would like ot add to the contributor slide. | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: I think we need OpenStack controller and 2 computes at least | 14:16 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: oh ok, then maybe we need to show multiple Watcher strategies in action | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | vincentfrancois1: alexchadin good ideas | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: totally agreed | 14:16 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: there's also a video on youtube we can use to explain how it works | 14:17 |
| vincentfrancois1 | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJttohkf0sM | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: I haven't worked with slides yet, I will adapt them for Pike and hope to do it with you | 14:17 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: ok | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: we can share video, but it isn't main reason to come for contributors, live demo would be great | 14:18 |
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| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: yes but the animation is good to explain the concept | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: I agree | 14:19 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: whereas live demos are to show the different use cases | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | agreed but video is great if live demo doesn't work | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: we need to place demo on wiki page | 14:20 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: and also to show it's no bullsh*t | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | vincentfrancois1: +1 | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | I will add appropriate topic on etherpad | 14:21 |
| alexchadin | move on | 14:21 |
| alexchadin | adisky_ said that rdo-package for python-watcherclient will be prepared by number80 (Haïkel Guémar). We still need to find the ways to prepare watcher package. | 14:21 |
| alexchadin | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1350974 | 14:22 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1350974 in Package Review "Openstack python-watcherclient" [Unspecified,Assigned] - Assigned to karlthered | 14:22 |
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| alexchadin | we still isn't in sync with packages for systems (except of python packages) | 14:23 |
| alexchadin | I will discuss it with adisky_ | 14:23 |
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| alexchadin | #action discuss packages issue with adisky_ | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | #topic Review Action Items | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:24 | |
| alexchadin | Watcher specs | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | Noisy Neighbor Strategy has got algorithm description and now is ready to be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | who would like to take full review here? | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | I may take it since I worked with strategies before | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: +1 thx | 14:26 |
| chrisspencer | +1 | 14:26 |
| licanwei | +1 | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | #action alexchadin chrisspencer licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | Define grammar for workload characterization Chris is waiting for Antoine's answer #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | seems chrisspencer has got it ;) | 14:27 |
| acabot | done | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | thank you, acabot | 14:28 |
| chrisspencer | thank acabot | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | BTW, help is appreciated here | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: will you take a look? | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | sure | 14:29 |
| alexchadin | #action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:30 |
| alexchadin | Spec for noisy-neighbor-dashboard needs new answers and probable PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 14:30 |
| alexchadin | probably* | 14:31 |
| pshedimb_ | +1 | 14:31 |
| alexchadin | #action pshedimb_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 14:31 |
| alexchadin | Support workload fingerprinting needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448396/ | 14:32 |
| alexchadin | Audit tag in VM Metadata needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:32 |
| alexchadin | hvprash: I like integrating with audit scope | 14:33 |
| alexchadin | I will review it, who else? | 14:33 |
| alexchadin | dtardivel: thx for review | 14:33 |
| acabot | +1 | 14:33 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: put me in too | 14:33 |
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| alexchadin | #action alexchadin acabot vincentfrancois1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:34 |
| alexchadin | Add spec for services-versioned-notifications-api bp needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 14:34 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: I had conversation with ostroverkhov and we decided that we might need to put status checking into new background job | 14:35 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: it is useless to send notifications only when we request service status | 14:36 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: Ah I though it was already the case actually, that's why I was talking about polling in my comment | 14:36 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: so if there is no such job, then it doesn't make much sense indeed | 14:37 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: ok, seems there will be some changes | 14:37 |
| alexchadin | #action alexchadin ostroverkhov work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 14:38 |
| alexchadin | move on | 14:38 |
| alexchadin | Support visualizing workload fingerprints needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/ | 14:38 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:39 |
| alexchadin | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/ | 14:39 |
| alexchadin | Add spec for Cinder model integration needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/ | 14:39 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1 already put some comments, who else would like to take a look? | 14:40 |
| acabot | alexchadin : I already looked at it and I have the same comments as vincentfancois1 | 14:41 |
| alexchadin | I think we will discuss some details from this spec on Summit | 14:42 |
| alexchadin | acabot: thx | 14:42 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: sure | 14:42 |
| alexchadin | Watcher | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | Added Actuator Strategy still needs to be taken by someone. Can Vladimir take it? | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425110/ | 14:43 |
| vincentfrancois1 | ostroverkhov: alexchadin: go ahead, it's up for grab | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | ostroverkhov: I think you can pick it up, what will you say? | 14:44 |
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| ostroverkhov | alexchadin: ok, i will pick it up | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: just one general remark: the multinode gate is always failing for a month now, we need to fix it | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | #action ostroverkhov take https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425110/ to end it up | 14:45 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: let's discuss it on main channel | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: np | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: just remind me sometime | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | Added suspended audit state needs reviews. Have some tested it yet? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/ | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | licanwei: have you tested it in Devstack for example? | 14:46 |
| licanwei | yes | 14:46 |
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| alexchadin | licanwei: great! I will review it | 14:47 |
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| alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/ | 14:47 |
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| licanwei | it works well | 14:48 |
| alexchadin | Prevent the migration of VM with 'optimize' False in VM metadata needs final core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443070/ | 14:48 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: thx for review! | 14:48 |
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| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: you're welcome ;) | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/ | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | gnocchi support topic should be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | chrisspencer, licanwei, dtardivel, pshedimb_ will you take it? | 14:50 |
| licanwei | +1 | 14:50 |
| pshedimb_ | +1 | 14:50 |
| chrisspencer | +1 | 14:50 |
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| alexchadin | #action licanwei pshedimb_ chrisspencer review patchsets of https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher | 14:51 |
| alexchadin | Added tempest test for workload_stabilization needs to be tested by someone else #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/ | 14:51 |
| alexchadin | looks like it is up to me | 14:52 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: I will contact you about it | 14:52 |
| alexchadin | Add action description needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/ | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: ok | 14:53 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1 will you take this commit? | 14:53 |
| alexchadin | to review | 14:53 |
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| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/ | 14:54 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: you've sent link to your patch ;) | 14:54 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: as for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/ I'll do it if I have time | 14:54 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: but no promises :p | 14:54 |
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| alexchadin | #action vincentfrancois1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/ | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | Add Watcher JobStore for background jobs needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449659/ | 14:55 |
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| alexchadin | this PS will be updated soon | 14:56 |
| alexchadin | Run Watcher-API behind mod-wsgi needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450740/ | 14:56 |
| vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: made a quick review of that one | 14:56 |
| alexchadin | who else will take it? | 14:56 |
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| alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450740/ | 14:57 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu proposed new BP today: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/zone-migration-strategy | 14:58 |
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| alexchadin | It isn't clear to me yet, we agreed to wait spec for it from hidekazu side | 14:59 |
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| alexchadin | well, let's continue to prepare for Summit | 15:00 |
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| alexchadin | have a nice day! | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | bye | 15:00 |
| pshedimb_ | bye :) | 15:00 |
| alexchadin | thank you for your attention | 15:00 |
| alexchadin | bye | 15:00 |
| chrisspencer | bye | 15:00 |
| ostroverkhov_ | Bye | 15:00 |
| licanwei | bye | 15:01 |
| vincentfrancois1 | bye | 15:01 |
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| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 5 15:01:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-04-05-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-04-05-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-04-05-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 5 15:01:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:01 |
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| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
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| serverascode | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| serverascode | hi shintaro :) | 15:01 |
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| shintaro | o/ | 15:01 |
| serverascode | who else do we have? | 15:01 |
| talonx | Hi, joining after a long time | 15:02 |
| serverascode | I know adiren said he could not make it | 15:02 |
| serverascode | hi talonx :) | 15:02 |
| uli-k | Hi, long time no see.... | 15:02 |
| talonx | Hi :) | 15:02 |
| talonx | Been a lurker mostly | 15:02 |
| shintaro | I'm in the west coast so much easier to join :) | 15:02 |
| serverascode | hi uli-k :) | 15:02 |
| sergem | hello | 15:02 |
| serverascode | hi sergem :) | 15:02 |
| serverascode | shintaro what are you up to on the west coast? | 15:03 |
| shintaro | OpenNetworkingSummit in Santa Clara | 15:03 |
| serverascode | oh cool, I was hoping ot go to that but it didn't work out | 15:03 |
| serverascode | sergem have you been to one of these meetings before? | 15:03 |
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| shintaro | very inspiring | 15:04 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:04 |
| sergem | I'm serge from Sprint. Sometimes I lurk here. | 15:04 |
| serverascode | ^^ that's the agenda if anyone wants to look or add to it, just one thing on it right now and that is some of the upcoming boston forum sessions | 15:04 |
| sergem | I do attend the f2f at openstack | 15:04 |
| serverascode | right, I think I remember now :) | 15:05 |
| serverascode | ok so we have a few people, please take a second to look at the agenda and add it it, and we shall start at the start :) | 15:05 |
| shintaro | I was wondering how the sessions are selected... | 15:05 |
| serverascode | #topic boston forum sessions | 15:06 |
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| serverascode | shintaro I'm not sure how they are selected | 15:06 |
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| serverascode | anyone know? | 15:06 |
| serverascode | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 15:06 |
| serverascode | so to be clear those are submissions, not "accepted" sessions yet | 15:06 |
| shintaro | right | 15:06 |
| serverascode | I took a look through and added links to a few I thought interesting to NFV | 15:07 |
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| serverascode | probably the most important is the collaboration session | 15:07 |
| shintaro | What I've heard is they are going to have 3 parallel sessions during the Summit | 15:07 |
| serverascode | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/64 | 15:07 |
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| serverascode | that shintaro wrote up | 15:07 |
| shintaro | yes, Ildiko from the Foundation will help us | 15:08 |
| serverascode | 3 parallel, ok that is a good number | 15:08 |
| sergem | Is there something on containers? | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | yup a few | 15:08 |
| serverascode | "life cycle management..." | 15:08 |
| serverascode | openstack via kubernetes... | 15:09 |
| serverascode | migration to containers... | 15:09 |
| serverascode | kubernetes ops on openstack | 15:09 |
| serverascode | I think a few more | 15:09 |
| sergem | I couldn't open the link as I don't have ubuntu one login | 15:10 |
| serverascode | oh really? interesting. | 15:10 |
| shintaro | container was a hot topic in the OpsMeetup, too | 15:10 |
| jamemcc | Hi - Sorry - I'm here now | 15:10 |
| shintaro | hi jamemcc | 15:10 |
| serverascode | sergem do you have an "openstack" id? | 15:10 |
| serverascode | like launchpad? | 15:10 |
| serverascode | if so that is the same | 15:11 |
| serverascode | hi jamemcc | 15:11 |
| sergem | I see Bin has a topic on contained, microservices | 15:11 |
| serverascode | ah yes, ok iwll add that to our list | 15:11 |
| serverascode | jamemcc we are just looking over the potential forum submissions | 15:12 |
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| jamemcc | The containers topic is big for LCOO - I will end up creating a spreadsheet to show which all seem to be in that category - simethign similar to the Ethercalc I created a little earlier - which I put the link in the agenda and is https://ethercalc.openstack.org/=qqdo5sfmri | 15:13 |
| shintaro | jamemcc do you know how the sessions are going to be selected? | 15:13 |
| serverascode | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/=qqdo5sfmri | 15:13 |
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| jamemcc | What I understand is it's a selection committee of 2 from User Group, 2 from TC and 2 from Foundation | 15:14 |
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| jamemcc | That was hearsay (twice) | 15:14 |
| jamemcc | Then scheduled just liek the presenation topics | 15:14 |
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| jamemcc | I am thinking/hoping that if we can ourselvs be organizing the topics we are interested in and will participate and then give advice ont he order of them - that will help the schedulers a lot | 15:15 |
| shintaro | ok great. so we just wait and see | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | That was where I was thinking ahveing the List (either as you are doing Curtis) in the Agenda - or in the Ethercalc like I started | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | would be helpful | 15:16 |
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| serverascode | the ethercalc looks great jamemcc | 15:16 |
| serverascode | I think that is a really good idea to work with whoever is selecting the submissions and help out a bit | 15:17 |
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| serverascode | any other thoughts on the forum session? | 15:18 |
| serverascode | if not I don't see any other items added except open discussion | 15:18 |
| shintaro | so we prioritise the list? | 15:18 |
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| shintaro | or we announce our interest/intent to join on the list of sessions as a group? | 15:20 |
| jamemcc | Yeah - makes sense - maybe a +1 approach to get started. | 15:20 |
| serverascode | looks like there are 124 submissions | 15:20 |
| shintaro | we can start with the list on ethercalc :) | 15:20 |
| jamemcc | Some probbly dont' belong on the TelcoNFV WG (our) list | 15:21 |
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| serverascode | yeah for sure, I was just thinking about how many could be accepted if 3 parallel sessions over 4 days... :) | 15:21 |
| jamemcc | One reason is if I saw Neutron I added ot to the list | 15:21 |
| serverascode | out of curiosity what do you all think of the "blockchain in telelcom"? | 15:22 |
| serverascode | I don't quite get that one | 15:22 |
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| sergem | isn't that pretty futuristic? | 15:22 |
| shintaro | I don't get it either | 15:23 |
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| jamemcc | Yes - pretty far out there | 15:23 |
| serverascode | ok, that's what I was thinking | 15:23 |
| sergem | there are probably lots of diverse interest among us. In my company (Sprint), we are focused on VMs. So I am interested in all the container stuff | 15:23 |
| sergem | like 'migration to containers' is a good one. | 15:24 |
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| serverascode | that one seems to be about the openstack control plane | 15:25 |
| serverascode | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/96 | 15:25 |
| shintaro | yes. you have to be careful if it is openstack on container, or container on Openstack | 15:25 |
| serverascode | heh yeah | 15:25 |
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| sergem | Ah yes. | 15:26 |
| serverascode | I will add a comment to that one asking to differentiate | 15:26 |
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| serverascode | ok, any other thoughs on the forum sessions? | 15:27 |
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| serverascode | all right, I suppose we just check out the spreadsheet every once and a while and try to keep up with any messages on the mailing list regarding forum sessions | 15:28 |
| serverascode | #topic open discussion | 15:28 |
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| serverascode | if anyone has any other ideas, thoughts, concerns now is the time :) | 15:29 |
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| shintaro | no form me | 15:30 |
| shintaro | from | 15:30 |
| jamemcc | In terms of the session "Collaboration between Telecom/NFV related groups | 15:30 |
| jamemcc | " | 15:30 |
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| jamemcc | I asked if either or both of Brian Sullivan and Steven Wright of OPNFV could be there and they agreed | 15:31 |
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| serverascode | thanks jamemcc, does anyone know if people from OPNFV submitted any of those sessions? | 15:32 |
| shintaro | great Ildiko said she invited people from ETSI as well | 15:32 |
| sergem | Bin is from OPNFV | 15:32 |
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| serverascode | sergem, thanks | 15:33 |
| shintaro | Resource reservation is from OPNFV as well | 15:33 |
| shintaro | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/126 | 15:33 |
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| jamemcc | Seems to me 2 ways the discussion could go - others not in our teams asking us questions or if not - and more helpful we can go through our individual WG goals and look for more ways to collaborate | 15:33 |
| jamemcc | Just thinking through it ahead of time | 15:34 |
| serverascode | hmm, and I wonder if some sessions can be double sessions | 15:34 |
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| serverascode | the one thing I don't like about the summit is that the first session tends to be questions about the group, just like you mention jamemcc | 15:35 |
| jamemcc | Curtis - the Gluon topic is in essence OPNFV and the 1000+ Scale is one of their priorities | 15:35 |
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| jamemcc | Hmm at least one or 2 more - let me cross check - I should have and will add those to the Ethercalc | 15:35 |
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| serverascode | I don't see a gluon one | 15:35 |
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| jamemcc | Sorry - I mean this one: Containerized, Cloud Native Microservice in NFV Networking | 15:36 |
| jamemcc | Bin Hu | 15:37 |
| serverascode | ah ok | 15:37 |
| shintaro | oh that was gluon | 15:37 |
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| serverascode | ok | 15:37 |
| sergem | ah, more networking than containers | 15:37 |
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| serverascode | there's also 4 sessions related to vitrage/alarms | 15:40 |
| serverascode | and I wonder if it would be worhtwhile to propose the nfv collaboration session be a double session | 15:41 |
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| shintaro | +1 40min is way too short | 15:41 |
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| serverascode | maybe we should add a column for potential double sessions? | 15:41 |
| serverascode | jamemcc does that make sense to you? | 15:42 |
| shintaro | oops I just added the column | 15:42 |
| serverascode | I think that's a good idea :) | 15:43 |
| serverascode | won't hurt to ask | 15:43 |
| shintaro | right | 15:43 |
| serverascode | ok anything else? | 15:44 |
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| serverascode | well I think that was a good discussion on the forum topics and I think it might help the people who are determining the schedule and submissions | 15:45 |
| serverascode | so thanks everyone for coming to the meeting today, much appreciated, and hopefully around and after boston we will pick up some steam so to speak :) | 15:45 |
| jamemcc | Thank you | 15:45 |
| shintaro | thank you serverascode | 15:45 |
| sergem | thanks | 15:46 |
| serverascode | :) | 15:46 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 5 15:46:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| shintaro | bye | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-04-05-15.01.html | 15:46 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting Kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 5 16:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
| sdake | first | 16:00 |
| sdake | o/ :) | 16:00 |
| inc0 | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
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| inc0 | w00t! | 16:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | o/ | 16:00 |
| inc0 | repeat after me | 16:00 |
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| duonghq | w-O-0-t | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | o/ | 16:01 |
| rwellum | o/ | 16:01 |
| spsurya_ | w00t | 16:01 |
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| qwang | o/ | 16:01 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 16:02 |
| hrww | o/ | 16:02 |
| jascott1 | o/ | 16:02 |
| vhosakot | o/ | 16:02 |
| egonzalez | w00t o/ | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Kolla)" | 16:03 | |
| inc0 | I've got nothing, but maybe someone from communi? | 16:03 |
| sdake | hmm | 16:03 |
| sdake | deadline for kolla-kubernetes is 4/15/2017 | 16:03 |
| sdake | for 0.6.0 | 16:03 |
| sdake | that is all :) | 16:03 |
| inc0 | kk | 16:04 |
| akwasnie | o/ | 16:04 |
| inc0 | #topic Non-x86 support patchset (hrw) https://review.openstack.org/430940 | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Non-x86 support patchset (hrw) https://review.openstack.org/430940 (Meeting topic: Kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| hrww | oy | 16:04 |
| inc0 | Marcin, you have the floor | 16:04 |
| hrww | so... | 16:04 |
| hrww | base_arch variable got merged last week | 16:04 |
| mgoddard | I sent an email to the ML, but would like to announce our project kayobe which we've recently open sourced. https://github.com/stackhpc/kayobe | 16:04 |
| hrww | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Marcin+Juszkiewicz%22+status:open lists my patches | 16:05 |
| mgoddard | provides some additional automation around kolla-ansible with a focus on bare metal compute | 16:05 |
| hrww | most of them are now easy to merge stuff which will help non-x86 targets | 16:05 |
| inc0 | mgoddard: cool, let's talk about it later in the meeting | 16:05 |
| hrww | from selecting repos to taking care of missing packages | 16:05 |
| mgoddard | inc0: sure | 16:05 |
| hrww | http://people.linaro.org/~marcin.juszkiewicz/kolla/ shows state of aarch64/ppc64le/x86-64 builds from some time ago | 16:06 |
| sdake | mgoddard ++ :) | 16:06 |
| hrww | I am now rebuilding all images on those 3 architectues | 16:06 |
| hrww | in other words: I need reviewers ;D | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | hrww: since you guys want to re-introduce debian | 16:07 |
| inc0 | I'll want gates for it | 16:07 |
| inc0 | this is only way we can ensure that it works | 16:07 |
| duonghq | hrww, iirc, you want to bump debian to stretch? | 16:07 |
| hrww | gnocchi, ceph, ironic-pxe, openstack-base, nova-libvirt, kubernetes are easy to check simple patches | 16:07 |
| mnaser | hrww thats an awesome setup of tables, great to track progress | 16:08 |
| hrww | inc0: debian. that's next part of agenda | 16:08 |
| inc0 | kk | 16:08 |
| berendt | O/ | 16:08 |
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| inc0 | let me know when you want to move on to it:P | 16:08 |
| hrww | https://review.openstack.org/430940 patch adds base of non-x86 support - repos etc | 16:08 |
| hrww | review and lgtm :D | 16:08 |
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| * hrww done on non-x86 - questions? | 16:08 | |
| hrww | akwasnie? | 16:09 |
| sdake | hrw winning - keep at it dude :) | 16:09 |
| sdake | hrww ^ | 16:09 |
| hrww | ok, let's move on to debian | 16:09 |
| inc0 | #topic Debian 'stretch' support patchset (hrw) https://review.openstack.org/434453 | 16:10 |
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| inc0 | ok...so, again | 16:10 |
| inc0 | gates | 16:10 |
| inc0 | debian died because of lack of thereof | 16:10 |
| hrww | inc0: gates, yes. how can I check do they work in other way then 'someone enable and then recheck recheck recheck'? | 16:10 |
| sdake | inc0 it really died becasue of lack of a maintainer | 16:10 |
| sdake | a gate is a plus for additional distros | 16:11 |
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| sdake | hrww peopel are workingon the recheck problem | 16:11 |
| hrww | so far all I know about gates/CI is "sorry, unable to make it at home" | 16:11 |
| inc0 | hrww: workgin with gates unfortunately is pita | 16:11 |
| sdake | hrww we know its a problem - it annoys everyone in the community not just you | 16:11 |
| hrww | sdake: no, I do not mind rechecks | 16:11 |
| inc0 | way to do it is to create experimental gates | 16:12 |
| sdake | well i mind rechecks - its slopy :) | 16:12 |
| hrww | sdake: the problem for me is how to work on gates without checking how it works | 16:12 |
| inc0 | so it won't affect other changes before we can get them to healthy state | 16:12 |
| hrww | inc0: experimental gates sounds good to me | 16:12 |
| kfox1111 | +1. rechecks are a pain and not the right solution. | 16:12 |
| sdake | hrww your next mission - if you choose to accept it - is to make an experimental gate of debian image building | 16:12 |
| kfox1111 | it means the 'commons' isn't getting enough love. | 16:12 |
| hrww | ok, ok | 16:12 |
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| mnaser | imho debian should start as non voting check, then once things are stable, you can remove non voting | 16:12 |
| sdake | hrww we have a whole lot of people that can helpy ou get going | 16:13 |
| hrww | guys - please - patches first, ok? | 16:13 |
| inc0 | mnaser: totally starts from non voting:P | 16:13 |
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| hrww | without patches merged we have nothing to work on | 16:13 |
| mnaser | fyi, i made this as well, it may help finding out how stable things are, we can adjust it for debian - http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/kolla-failure-rate | 16:13 |
| sdake | mnaser we start with experimenal checks here | 16:13 |
| hrww | Debian support is 2-3 patches | 16:13 |
| hrww | 1. https://review.openstack.org/432787 - enable all ubuntu images for Debian | 16:13 |
| sdake | hrww is there an action requested? | 16:13 |
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| hrww | sdake: english? | 16:14 |
| sdake | sup mandre | 16:14 |
| sdake | hrww are you requesting something of someone in the commnity? | 16:14 |
| sdake | need a review or somehting? | 16:14 |
| inc0 | order of business is, 1. merge basic support for debian | 16:14 |
| hrww | sdake: yes, I do need reviews. | 16:14 |
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| inc0 | 2. in opesntack infra introudce debian jobs (I can help with that) | 16:14 |
| inc0 | experimental | 16:14 |
| sdake | hrww ok - lets get ya unblocked - i dont have bandwidth befor efriday to review but others may | 16:15 |
| hrww | 2nd patch is https://review.openstack.org/450805 which takes care of rtslib naming | 16:15 |
| inc0 | then you publish patch with gates and do recheck experimental to also run debian gates | 16:15 |
| hrww | and then the problematic one goes | 16:15 |
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| inc0 | iterate until gates are ready | 16:15 |
| hrww | https://review.openstack.org/434453 - move to Debian 'stretch' (aka 'testing') instead of Jessie (current stable) | 16:15 |
| inc0 | after that we remove experimental and keep them healthy | 16:15 |
| hrww | inc0: to tell the truth I never used kolla ON debian. | 16:16 |
| inc0 | I'll review them today, hrww you can start working on gate in infra in the meantime | 16:16 |
| inc0 | it doesn't matter | 16:16 |
| inc0 | what matters is whats inside container | 16:16 |
| hrww | yep | 16:16 |
| inc0 | ubuntu is similar enough to debian to make it work | 16:16 |
| hrww | indeed | 16:16 |
| inc0 | ubuntu on centos used to be problematic, but this should work | 16:17 |
| hrww | it works fine | 16:17 |
| hrww | I built on centos 7 and fedora 25 | 16:17 |
| inc0 | also I don't think infra even has debian images for gates | 16:17 |
| akwasnie | hrww I will also review it | 16:17 |
| hrww | akwasnie: thx | 16:17 |
| inc0 | so ubuntu it is anyway | 16:17 |
| sdake | inc0 we ca nuse ubuntu images for gates | 16:17 |
| akwasnie | hrww np | 16:17 |
| inc0 | yeah, that's what I'm saying | 16:18 |
| hrww | inc0: ok. gates are defined in openstack-project-config repo, right? | 16:18 |
| inc0 | yes | 16:18 |
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| hrww | ok, I have it cloned | 16:18 |
| inc0 | cool, let me know if you run into any prblems | 16:19 |
| mnaser | https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/nodepool/nodepool.yaml#L25-L40 | 16:19 |
| hrww | and duonghq asked why I moved to debian/stretch | 16:19 |
| inc0 | also people on #openstack-infra are super helpful | 16:19 |
| mnaser | it does look like there is jessie images | 16:19 |
| mnaser | in case that helps make things easier | 16:19 |
| inc0 | mnaser: let's keep it ubuntu regardless | 16:19 |
| mnaser | im okay with either, just wanted to provide insight :) | 16:20 |
| hrww | mnaser: it would need to be jessie-backports probably | 16:20 |
| inc0 | hrww: anything else or can we move on? | 16:20 |
| hrww | move on | 16:20 |
| inc0 | #topic Upgrade gates (inc0) | 16:20 |
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| inc0 | ok, so I want to start this effort | 16:20 |
| inc0 | few things: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401003/10 | 16:20 |
| inc0 | way I see it working is | 16:21 |
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| inc0 | once we get pushable registry | 16:21 |
| inc0 | we will push our built images up | 16:21 |
| inc0 | 2. introduce new gate for upgrades | 16:21 |
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| hrww | inc0: will registry allow non-x86 images? | 16:22 |
| inc0 | that will 1. install latest stable, do smoke test, upgrade, redo tests | 16:22 |
| mnaser | registry can save any sort of images, just a blob store | 16:22 |
| hrww | aarch64/kolla/*:4.0.0 etc | 16:22 |
| inc0 | hrww: registry won't mind either way, but we'll need to fingure out different name/tag for them | 16:22 |
| hrww | inc0: I like upgrade testing idea | 16:22 |
| inc0 | so that's for today, when zuulv3 lands we make it 5 node multinode | 16:23 |
| inc0 | in effect OpenStack gets proper upgrade gating | 16:23 |
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| mnaser | fyi im sure inc0 had a look at it but it would be nice to have a look at the grenade project and how they do upgrade tests | 16:23 |
| inc0 | it's bad | 16:23 |
| mnaser | oh :p | 16:24 |
| sdake | inc0 always the diplomat :) | 16:24 |
| inc0 | lol | 16:24 |
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| inc0 | well grenade will never give us multinode, based of devstack, test single service not proper upgrade path that people will actually use | 16:25 |
| inc0 | and is a shellscript | 16:25 |
| clarkb | inc0: hold on | 16:25 |
| hrww | devstack... argh. | 16:25 |
| mnaser | oh i just mentioned that it woudl be a 'source of inspiration' | 16:25 |
| inc0 | :D | 16:25 |
| clarkb | first of all grenade already does multinode upgrade testing | 16:25 |
| clarkb | but also I'm not sure what zuulv4 and 5 node testing and upgrade testing all have to do with each other (they should be orthogonal) | 16:26 |
| clarkb | er v3 | 16:26 |
| sdake | clarkb is it based upon devstack? | 16:26 |
| clarkb | sdake: yes it uses devstack's deployment mechanisms to turn on the cloud | 16:26 |
| mnaser | we cant run grenade (for the most part, i think?) -- but we can at least look at how they solved certain arch. issues we'll run into inevitebly | 16:26 |
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| mnaser | example, things like this: https://github.com/openstack-dev/grenade#theory-of-upgrade | 16:26 |
| inc0 | well, grenade is orch of upgrade (sort of) | 16:26 |
| inc0 | we already have orch of upgrade | 16:26 |
| sdake | clarkb i see - i think becaseu fo that, wecan't directly reuse grenade, however, we could learn from it with kolla | 16:26 |
| inc0 | in kolla-ansible | 16:26 |
| clarkb | sdake: thats fine, my contention is not with you reusing it or not, its with the incorrect data being reported here | 16:27 |
| clarkb | (and with tying unrelated items together that shouldn't be) | 16:27 |
| mnaser | thats exactly what i meant to say: it's something to learn from | 16:27 |
| sdake | clarkb ya - which is why I asked inc0 to expand with "the alwaasy the diplomat" response :) | 16:27 |
| inc0 | ok, I'm sorry then | 16:27 |
| sdake | clarkb not sure how zuulv4 or v5 got into discussion? | 16:27 |
| inc0 | what I'm saying | 16:27 |
| inc0 | we do upgrade with kolla-ansible | 16:27 |
| sdake | clarkb I may have missed that | 16:27 |
| inc0 | zuulv3 and 5 node gates | 16:28 |
| inc0 | that was typo sdake | 16:28 |
| mnaser | inc0 now while i think upgrade gates are good, we need voting deploy gates beforehand | 16:28 |
| clarkb | inc0 | so that's for today, when zuulv3 lands we make it 5 node multinode | 16:28 |
| sdake | oh - clarkb that is a dep for kolla to do multinode gating | 16:28 |
| clarkb | sdake: why? | 16:28 |
| inc0 | and it got into discussion because I mentioned it as plan forward | 16:28 |
| inc0 | well multinode is our main use case | 16:28 |
| clarkb | you can do multinode gating today | 16:28 |
| sdake | clarkb because inc0 says we can't get multinode until zuulv3? | 16:28 |
| clarkb | and many people do it | 16:28 |
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| inc0 | single node is little more than science project as far as I'm concerned | 16:28 |
| sdake | i see - sound slike we have alot to learn about multinode gating | 16:29 |
| inc0 | clarkb: 2 node | 16:29 |
| clarkb | inc0: and 3 and 4 | 16:29 |
| inc0 | can ou do 3 node? I didn't know | 16:29 |
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| clarkb | the ask ahs been that you start smaller and ramp up | 16:29 |
| sdake | well why are we waiting for zuulv3 then? | 16:29 |
| hrww | have to go - starts raining and I am at the park now | 16:29 |
| clarkb | sdake: you shouldn't be | 16:29 |
| hrww | thanks for all and see you later | 16:29 |
| sdake | clarkb right -t hat was always my understanding 1->2->3 | 16:29 |
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| inc0 | well 3 was for mariadb | 16:29 |
| sdake | clarkb however inc0 indicated we can't ramp up | 16:29 |
| clarkb | if you want to wait thats fine, I just don't want you to think we are blocking you | 16:29 |
| sdake | node count | 16:29 |
| inc0 | regardless, when zuulv3 lands it's going tob e different mechanism | 16:30 |
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| clarkb | because we aren;t and many other groups are very successful doing multinode testing today | 16:30 |
| inc0 | clarkb: no, it wasn't about blocking | 16:30 |
| sdake | clarkb the general understanding in the kolla project is zuulv3 is blocking our gating - I think we need t of ix that perception | 16:30 |
| inc0 | it was abot not spending time on something that will be obsolete in 2 months | 16:30 |
| sdake | clarkb rather our multinode gating | 16:30 |
| sdake | inc0 we don't knwo when zuulv3 will be available | 16:30 |
| inc0 | well kolla-k8s has multinode gating | 16:30 |
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| clarkb | inc0: I really doubt that it will be obsolete (you will learn lots and 95% fo what you do should be reusable) and I also doubt zuulv3 will be available in 2 months | 16:31 |
| sdake | right 2 nodes - one of the infra core said 2 nodes was the max, although in previous conversations i had heard if we go to 2, we can have 3 | 16:31 |
| inc0 | clarkb: but it will be ansible based so we could reuse lots of it | 16:31 |
| inc0 | like inventory | 16:31 |
| clarkb | sdake: yes what we ask is thatyou start small because most of the problems present themselves at 2 nodes and are easier to debug there. Then when tahts working ramp up | 16:31 |
| sdake | yes, lets stop sending the message in our project "we are waiting on zuulv3" because we don't knwo when zuulv3 will be deployed | 16:31 |
| sdake | it could be years | 16:31 |
| mnaser | i think the idea here is infra wants to make sure that we're carefully using resources that we're given | 16:32 |
| inc0 | clarkb: 3 nodes are for galera, that's why we wanted 3 | 16:32 |
| sdake | clarkb kolla-kubernetes deliverable has 2 nodes already - could we get 3, and if so , can we get coaching on how to get to 3 nodes? | 16:32 |
| mnaser | (if you guys dont mind, i think we're getting a bit off track) | 16:32 |
| inc0 | but that was my understanding too - 3 is issue for infra | 16:32 |
| sdake | clarkb we can teach the rest of the cores | 16:32 |
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| clarkb | sdake: yes, if the 2 node tests are running succesfully we can bump up to 3. You just have to change the node type in the job definition to the 3-node variant | 16:32 |
| mnaser | going back to upgrade gates, i think its great, but i think we need deploy gates to become voting first before we do taht | 16:32 |
| sdake | clarkb cool - i'll see about doing that when i return on the 15th | 16:33 |
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| clarkb | mnaser: I would agree with that, if the base test set doesn't work then upgrades likely not to work either, you'd build one on the other | 16:33 |
| sdake | clarkb our 2 node tests run fantastically well in that particular deliverable - when kubernetes itself isn;t broken | 16:33 |
| inc0 | well our deploy gates does work... | 16:33 |
| inc0 | they're nv but that's simple change | 16:33 |
| inc0 | do work* | 16:34 |
| sdake | ok - well i think the answer is "zuulv3 isn't blocking, proceed with multinode gating *now*, port to zuulv3 whenever it comes out" | 16:34 |
| mnaser | also, if i can suggest this review which i built of Jeffrey4l work -- run tempest instead of some shell scripts: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402122/ | 16:34 |
| sdake | and ramp up 1 node, to 2 nodes ,to 3 nodes, etc | 16:34 |
| mnaser | we can tempest to run post deploys, we switch deploys to voting, i think thats a great first step before starting upgrade gates | 16:34 |
| sdake | clarkb sound good to you? | 16:34 |
| sdake | inc0 ^^? | 16:34 |
| inc0 | yes, sounds good, we need to do aio upgrade regardless | 16:35 |
| inc0 | of multinode | 16:35 |
| sdake | agreed | 16:35 |
| inc0 | my initial thought was to wait with just multinode piece for zuulv3 | 16:35 |
| mnaser | ++ | 16:35 |
| sdake | so next step is 2 nodes - to prove that 2 node gating is stable | 16:35 |
| inc0 | if we want to add it earlier | 16:35 |
| sdake | (for kolla-ansible deliverable) | 16:35 |
| inc0 | sure | 16:35 |
| mnaser | no need to do that, we can do it once our 2 node stuff is happy | 16:35 |
| inc0 | that could go to deploy gates | 16:35 |
| sdake | downside of waiting is we have no clue with zuulv3 will be ready | 16:35 |
| sdake | adn msot o the work is in our repos | 16:36 |
| inc0 | let's do 2 pararell efforts | 16:36 |
| sdake | changing around the gate scripts | 16:36 |
| inc0 | 1. aio upgrade | 16:36 |
| inc0 | 2. multinode deploy | 16:36 |
| inc0 | once both are ready multinode upgrade should be super easy | 16:36 |
| mnaser | and possible 3. make deploy gates voting? | 16:36 |
| sdake | 2. 2 node deploy :) | 16:36 |
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| sdake | sounds good to me inc0 | 16:37 |
| inc0 | mnaser: yeah, we should be good now | 16:37 |
| inc0 | although if we move to docker01 | 16:37 |
| inc0 | that will change logic a bit so maybe lets wait for that for votin | 16:37 |
| inc0 | g | 16:37 |
| mnaser | cool, as usual, more than happy to help with ci issues... i have a few ideas surrounding scenario based testing (ala puppet-integration) | 16:37 |
| inc0 | docker01 - infra hosted docker registry | 16:38 |
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| inc0 | I also have few friends working on persistence testing (spawn a vm, test if it works, upgrade, test if it keeps working) | 16:38 |
| inc0 | but, one step at the time plz | 16:38 |
| inc0 | ok let's move on | 16:39 |
| inc0 | #topic kolla-kubernetes launchpad trcking (sdake) https://launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+milestone/0.6.0 | 16:39 |
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| sdake | indeed | 16:39 |
| sdake | if folks could ope nthat up | 16:39 |
| sdake | plz | 16:39 |
| sdake | these are the blueprints for april 15th deadline | 16:40 |
| sdake | thi should give us a pretty solid imrpovement over 0.5.0 | 16:40 |
| sdake | if anyone wants to change blueprint prioiritie feel free | 16:41 |
| sdake | please keep blueprints up to date | 16:41 |
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| sdake | and use release notes so people know what we actually release in an update | 16:41 |
| sdake | any quesitions? | 16:41 |
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| mnaser | cool progress :> hopefully we can see it come more alive soon | 16:41 |
| sdake | these are all on teh march to a 1.0.0 release | 16:42 |
| sdake | mnaser rwellum got kolla-kubernetes running today and eanlin has had it running for afew days based upoon the deploy doc | 16:42 |
| mnaser | awesome #progress | 16:42 |
| sdake | mnaser there are 20 reviewers on the deploy doc - so seems like there is interest :) | 16:42 |
| sdake | ok i'll give it 60 seconds then we can move on | 16:43 |
| sdake | in case pople hae further questions | 16:43 |
| sdake | (or inc0 can you give it 60 secondds) :) | 16:43 |
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| sdake | april 15th - lets hitit :) | 16:43 |
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| sdake | inc0 can move on now thanks | 16:43 |
| inc0 | kk) | 16:44 |
| sdake | inc0 - mgoddard probably first up on opens | 16:44 |
| inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:44 |
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| inc0 | yes, I wanted to talk about this, looks awesome | 16:44 |
| mgoddard | great :) | 16:44 |
| mnaser | same | 16:44 |
| inc0 | so few things | 16:44 |
| inc0 | 1. let's examine how much of this automation can be brought to kolla-ansible | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | since I bet lots of it can be reused | 16:45 |
| inc0 | 2. I propose new section in docs - scenerios | 16:45 |
| mnaser | also one thing i like about this from a deployer perspective is like | 16:45 |
| inc0 | where we'll explain how to deploy certain opesntacks for various use cases | 16:45 |
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| mnaser | this seems to be an excellent example of .. how do i reuse kolla for my specific usecase | 16:45 |
| inc0 | scientific being one of them:) | 16:45 |
| mgoddard | 1: agreed. | 16:45 |
| mnaser | but also making it re-usable | 16:45 |
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| mgoddard | for 1, kolla-ansible is currently not doing any significant configuration of the hosts. I thought that was initially a design goal? | 16:46 |
| mnaser | for all of our deployments, we want to maintain a set of baseline rules, and then we modify a certain few things on top for kolla. the code that does this causes a lot of extra duplication. this seems like a good way of reusing kolla with a common set of values | 16:47 |
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| mnaser | mgoddard there is kolla-ansible bootstrap-server | 16:47 |
| mnaser | but that assumes an existing server | 16:47 |
| mnaser | aka installed os, etc | 16:47 |
| inc0 | mgoddard: yeah, but we can extend our config of the hosts significantly | 16:47 |
| inc0 | as long as it's decoupled from actual deployment | 16:47 |
| mgoddard | mnaser: true, although it's optional and incomplete | 16:47 |
| inc0 | I'd keep it optional | 16:47 |
| mgoddard | inc0: ok, sounds good | 16:47 |
| mnaser | yep | 16:47 |
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| inc0 | but incomplete is fixable | 16:47 |
| mgoddard | inc0: sure :) | 16:48 |
| inc0 | maybe even separate it to new directory | 16:48 |
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| inc0 | not sure | 16:48 |
| inc0 | just roles is also fine | 16:48 |
| inc0 | but we can extend it, I'm all for it | 16:48 |
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| mgoddard | one issue is that it does tend to get a bit opinionated and site-specific | 16:48 |
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| inc0 | mgoddard: that's why we need to get only non-specific to main bootstrap | 16:49 |
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| mgoddard | I've tried to keep it flexible but things are inherently less consistent outside of container-land | 16:49 |
| inc0 | and rest can live in kaobe or kolla-ansible/contrib and/or docs | 16:49 |
| inc0 | ofc | 16:49 |
| mgoddard | ok, so what can I do to help facilitate all of this, or at least kick it off? | 16:50 |
| inc0 | I'd start with docs | 16:50 |
| inc0 | add new doc section for use cases | 16:50 |
| inc0 | document scientific use case using kaobe | 16:50 |
| spsurya_ | inc0: +1 | 16:50 |
| mgoddard | presumably we need to work out what's in scope for kolla-ansible | 16:50 |
| inc0 | and we'll go from there | 16:50 |
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| inc0 | together examine what can be reused and maybe create different use case docs | 16:51 |
| sdake | mgoddard we have a bit of capacity problem atm with kolla | 16:51 |
| sdake | mgoddard everyone working their tials off | 16:51 |
| mgoddard | inc0: ok. I'll try to put something together | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yes, but this will be extreamlly appreciated | 16:51 |
| sdake | mgoddard yup I think what you have would be a really good fit inside kolla - although dont feel compelled to do it that way :) | 16:52 |
| mgoddard | sdake: I'm sure kolla-k8s is keeping you busy :) | 16:52 |
| inc0 | real life guides are what operators love | 16:52 |
| sdake | mgoddard indeed i hae little itme to contribute to the part i'm most proud of - teh ansible implementation | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | we have broaded community to help:) | 16:52 |
| mgoddard | sdake: getting some or all of our work into kolla would be a great result for us | 16:52 |
| inc0 | also another thing is if we could get at least docs done before summit | 16:52 |
| inc0 | we can talk to operators there to share their love in form of docs;) | 16:53 |
| mgoddard | no point in having separately maintained projects if not necessary | 16:53 |
| inc0 | mgoddard: think what you could move to kolla-ansible, you know both projects | 16:53 |
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| sdake | inc0 don't force it hto :) | 16:53 |
| mgoddard | ok, I'll keep boston as a target in mind | 16:54 |
| sdake | its really up to you mgoddard | 16:54 |
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| inc0 | one potential wold be another repo split for all the host-based stuff | 16:54 |
| sdake | inc0++ repo splits are so much fun :) | 16:54 |
| inc0 | but that's different discussion | 16:54 |
| sdake | mgoddard as far as mission goes, it does fit in the mission | 16:54 |
| sdake | "deployment tools for openstack clouds" | 16:54 |
| sdake | deploying the bare metal is part of that | 16:55 |
| sdake | we have some host scripts already | 16:55 |
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| sdake | they need some love | 16:55 |
| mgoddard | from my perspective it's only a separate project because we have customers with requirements | 16:55 |
| inc0 | yeah it's easier to move with local repo | 16:56 |
| inc0 | but we can move it to kolla in our own pace | 16:56 |
| mgoddard | better to do it the right way than to rush | 16:56 |
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| inc0 | ok, few minutes left | 16:56 |
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| inc0 | anything else we want to mention? | 16:57 |
| mgoddard | that was a great reception of the project, thanks all! | 16:57 |
| inc0 | thank you Mark for awesome work! | 16:57 |
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| mgoddard | standing on the shoulders of giants - thanks to you all | 16:58 |
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| inc0 | ok, I'll wrap up meeting then:) | 16:58 |
| inc0 | thank you all for coming and let's get back to making cool things work | 16:58 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 5 16:58:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-04-05-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-04-05-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-04-05-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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