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| oanson | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 09:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:00 |
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| nick-ma_ | Hi | 09:00 |
| dimak | hello | 09:00 |
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| oanson | We'll wait another minute. Then we'll start | 09:01 |
| lihi | Hi | 09:01 |
| ishafran | Hi | 09:01 |
| itamaro | hi | 09:01 |
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| oanson | #info nick-ma_ dimak lihi ishafran itamaro in meeting | 09:01 |
| oanson | xiaohhui, are you here too? | 09:01 |
| xiaohhui | yeah, | 09:02 |
| oanson | #info xiaohhui also in meeting | 09:02 |
| oanson | Great! Let's start. | 09:02 |
| oanson | #topic Roadmap | 09:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:02 | |
| oanson | lihi, hit us with the IPv6 stuff | 09:02 |
| lihi | The SG is almost done. I need to make a small fix to the tests | 09:03 |
| oanson | Great! | 09:04 |
| oanson | Do you have an ETA? | 09:04 |
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| lihi | tomorrow probably. After I'll finish with the migration | 09:04 |
| oanson | Sure! | 09:04 |
| oanson | dimak, SFC? | 09:05 |
| dimak | Haven't made a lot of progress due to many small things I had to take care of | 09:05 |
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| dimak | But I am testing now mpls unaware port pairs | 09:05 |
| oanson | Cool | 09:06 |
| dimak | Other than that I have some comments to fix | 09:06 |
| oanson | All right | 09:06 |
| oanson | Chassis health - I don't know if we discussed this previously. But this needs a carrier for the last mile. | 09:06 |
| oanson | If there are no volunteers, I can take this next week. If anyone's free, it would be nice to get this to the finish line | 09:07 |
| oanson | (Or did someone already volunteer and I forgot?) | 09:07 |
| xiaohhui | I said I would take this in previous meeting | 09:08 |
| xiaohhui | but I am not free recently | 09:08 |
| oanson | xiaohhui, I heard. Congratulations. | 09:08 |
| xiaohhui | If you would like take it, that would be good from my point of view. | 09:08 |
| oanson | If you can't get to it, I can take it. | 09:08 |
| xiaohhui | thanks, | 09:08 |
| oanson | Sure. Summary: I took it. Will do it next week :) | 09:09 |
| oanson | sNAT - the patch is waiting for review. ishafran, anything to say on this? | 09:09 |
| ishafran | all comments are closed | 09:09 |
| ishafran | actually I'm waiting for merge :) | 09:10 |
| oanson | All right. We'll try to get to it as soon as we can. | 09:10 |
| ishafran | great | 09:10 |
| oanson | NB API refactor | 09:10 |
| oanson | Work is coming along. QoS and LSwitch are ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441950/ | 09:11 |
| oanson | SG and lport are WIP here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445548 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447366 | 09:12 |
| oanson | I think SG will be done today, hopefully lport tomorrow. | 09:12 |
| xiaohhui | And loudos-review.huawei.com/#/q/dragonflow | 09:12 |
| xiaohhui | cloudos-review.huawei.com/#/q/dragonflow | 09:12 |
| oanson | Then VLAN aware VMs will be rebased on top of that and can be tested manually (I hope) | 09:13 |
| xiaohhui | sorry, don't know what happened | 09:13 |
| xiaohhui | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443648/ | 09:13 |
| xiaohhui | This is the migration for lrouter and lrouter port, I will reshape it these days. | 09:14 |
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| oanson | Yes. Sorry - LRouter and LRouterPort is also WIP in the link above | 09:14 |
| oanson | Anything else for roadmap? | 09:14 |
| oanson | Then let's move on | 09:15 |
| oanson | #topic Open Discussion | 09:15 |
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| oanson | nick-ma_, I understood last week you were interested in the iovisor work | 09:16 |
| oanson | I invited the person working on this today, but he couldn't make it. I will send you his contact details off-line | 09:16 |
| oanson | Actually, he says he will join momentarily. | 09:16 |
| lionelze | Hi | 09:17 |
| nick-ma_ | Ok, thanks | 09:18 |
| lionelze | The first step for IOVisor is to check if it's worth to work on it. | 09:18 |
| lionelze | What can bring an implementation based on it in place of ovs | 09:19 |
| oanson | lionelze, you mean test it performance-wise? | 09:20 |
| nick-ma_ | Yes, I researched some day, and thought it is a huge work. | 09:21 |
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| lionelze | I'd like to compare performance between OVS and IOVisor without hardware help. | 09:21 |
| oanson | Currently our DF applications are heavily based on OVS/OpenFlow. We will have to find a less hard-coded solution. | 09:21 |
| nick-ma_ | I tested plumgrid and discussed with the team on the technology. The performance is outstanding. | 09:22 |
| nick-ma_ | 9g per physical port on vxlan tunneling | 09:22 |
| oanson | Nice! | 09:23 |
| lionelze | Nice, Do you test small UDP packets? | 09:23 |
| nick-ma_ | I think I have the report. Will find it. | 09:23 |
| nick-ma_ | The control plane is not open source. | 09:24 |
| lionelze | If we consider that it worth to work on it, the design stage will begin. | 09:25 |
| nick-ma_ | The documents I think is not sufficient. To implement a full functionality of switch, lots of work needs to be done. s to | 09:26 |
| lionelze | You can check this project to see what can be done: https://github.com/iovisor/iovisor-ovn | 09:26 |
| nick-ma_ | Cool, I dont know ovn is starting working on it. | 09:27 |
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| lionelze | I know that the work can be huge but it can worth it. | 09:27 |
| nick-ma_ | Yes, I think so. | 09:27 |
| oanson | All right. Anything more on this? | 09:28 |
| oanson | Then I guess the floor is free. | 09:29 |
| oanson | Anyone wants to bring anything up for discussion? | 09:29 |
| oanson | All right. | 09:31 |
| oanson | Thanks everyone for coming. | 09:31 |
| oanson | #endmeeting | 09:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 09:31:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-03-20-09.00.html | 09:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-03-20-09.00.txt | 09:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-03-20-09.00.log.html | 09:31 |
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| apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 14:01:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:01 |
| apuimedo | Hello everybody and welcome to the weekly IRC meeting | 14:01 |
| apuimedo | who's here today? | 14:01 |
| alraddarla | o/ | 14:01 |
| yedongcan | o/ | 14:01 |
| limao | o/ | 14:01 |
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| apuimedo | irenab: hongbin: ltomasbo|away: | 14:02 |
| hongbin | o/ | 14:02 |
| irenab_ | hi | 14:02 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-libnetwork | 14:03 |
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| apuimedo | I think we are practically at the point of being able to cut a release | 14:04 |
| hongbin | +1 | 14:04 |
| yedongcan | yes | 14:05 |
| limao | +1 | 14:05 |
| irenab_ | +1 | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | very well | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | I'm merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444661/6 | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | Cause having more fullstack tests is always good | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | Also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446891/3 | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | so people can make easily vagrant machines of the release | 14:06 |
| hongbin | i will submit another revision for this one soon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445683/ , i think it would be good to have this fix in the release as well | 14:07 |
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| yedongcan | Thanks, hongbin. | 14:07 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: I'd like to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446706/3 too. But it needs to reference the blueprint for IPv6 as janonymous said | 14:08 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: ack | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: agreed on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445683/ | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | Do we all agree to cut the release when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445683/ gets merged? | 14:09 |
| irenab_ | yes | 14:09 |
| yedongcan | +1 | 14:09 |
| limao | +1 | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | +1 | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | hongbin: | 14:10 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: +1 | 14:10 |
| apuimedo | very well then | 14:10 |
| apuimedo | #info Kuryr-libnetwork will cut a release when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445683/ is merged | 14:10 |
| apuimedo | alright. Final part of this topic | 14:11 |
| apuimedo | Do we want to set up some goals for making a Pike release? | 14:11 |
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| irenab_ | Can we add this topic for next weekly to think till then? | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo bring up to the mailing list the question of having a Pike release for kuryr-libnetwork | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | irenab_: oops. we wrote at the same time | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | :P | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | let's take it to the ML | 14:13 |
| irenab_ | +1 on email | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | and vote next week | 14:13 |
| irenab_ | agreed | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | #info Next weekly meeting will see a vote on kuryr-libnetwork pike release | 14:14 |
| apuimedo | It's between keeping fully async releases only or having async releases + some OSt joint releases | 14:14 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-lib | 14:14 |
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| apuimedo | I would like to propose to cut a 0.3.1 release for kuryr-lib | 14:15 |
| apuimedo | so that it includes the nested vlan shuffling and device_owner fixes | 14:16 |
| irenab_ | +1 | 14:16 |
| yedongcan | +1 | 14:16 |
| irenab_ | apuimedo: what is still pending review ? | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | limao: hongbin | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | irenab_: afaik only requirements | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | which I don't want to touch | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | before a release | 14:17 |
| limao | +1 | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | very well | 14:17 |
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| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to send patch for 0.3.1 kuryr-lib release | 14:17 |
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| apuimedo | #info I've been working on rpm packages for kuryr-kubernetes. I'll be adding kuryr-lib as well (package name python-kuryr) | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | anything else on kuryr-lib? | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | very well, moving on | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | #topic fuxi | 14:20 |
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| hongbin | hi | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | #chair hongbin | 14:20 |
| openstack | Current chairs: apuimedo hongbin | 14:20 |
| hongbin | last week, this patch got merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438292/ , which is the first step for setting up the ci for manila provider | 14:20 |
| hongbin | besides that, there are other fixed proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445788/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447305/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429484/ | 14:21 |
| hongbin | that is for fuxi, i didn't receive a update from fuxi-kubernetes side this week | 14:21 |
| hongbin | i will try to give an update next week on that | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | thanks hongbin | 14:21 |
| hongbin | apuimedo: that is all from my side | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | very well | 14:22 |
| apuimedo | I'm merging those changes | 14:22 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:22 |
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| hongbin | apuimedo: thx | 14:22 |
| apuimedo | We have a few blueprints to vote on | 14:23 |
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| apuimedo | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/kuryr-k8s-contrail-integration | 14:23 |
| alraddarla | +1 ;) | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | +1 | 14:24 |
| apuimedo | ivc delegated a +1 vote on me | 14:24 |
| irenab_ | +1 | 14:24 |
| apuimedo | very well then. I'll merge the spec and approve the blueprint | 14:25 |
| apuimedo | #info Kuryr-kubernetes contrail integration bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/kuryr-k8s-contrail-integration approved | 14:25 |
| alraddarla | Thanks all | 14:25 |
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| apuimedo | second | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | I submitted this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/use-ovsdbapp | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | much like we use pyroute2 instead of "ip link", it would make us use ovsdbapp instead of "ovs-vsctl | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | " | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | The code is the same production ready code that used to live in openstack/neutron | 14:28 |
| apuimedo | I helped Neutron's otherwiseguy split it in the Atlanta PTG | 14:28 |
| apuimedo | and the idea is that os-vif will end up using it as well | 14:28 |
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| irenab_ | apuimedo: just use lib instead of wrapping commands on kuryr side? | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | exactly | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | it's native | 14:29 |
| irenab_ | +1 | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | yedongcan: limao: hongbin: maybe it would be a good idea to implement this for a Pike release in kuryr-libnetwork too | 14:29 |
| yedongcan | +1 | 14:29 |
| limao | +1 | 14:29 |
| janonymous | o/ | 14:29 |
| hongbin | +1 | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | Very well then | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | #info ovsdbapp usage is approved. It will wait merging for the first release of ovsdbapp | 14:30 |
| apuimedo | I would also like to bring for discussion https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/driver-handler-opt-loading | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | irenab_: do you think we need a spec for this one? | 14:32 |
| irenab_ | apuimedo: similar to the neutron ml2/services drivers? | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | right | 14:32 |
| irenab_ | apuimedo: I donot think we need spec, can be later added into devref to guide on adding new driver | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | janonymous: could you update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/client-migration to reflect the discussion in the VTG ? | 14:33 |
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| apuimedo | so we can approve it soon and start using it | 14:33 |
| janonymous | apuimdeo: yes , sure i will | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | irenab_: very well. Thanks | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | janonymous: thanks! | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | irenab_: Let's vote on that one over ml | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to bring https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/driver-handler-opt-loading for ml voting | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | janonymous: I saw you submitted another one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/oslo-gmr | 14:34 |
| irenab_ | apuimedo: I think it makes sense, not sure needs ml to confirm, but up to you | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | irenab_: to be on the safe side | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 14:34 |
| janonymous | apuimedo: yes i will complete it this week | 14:35 |
| apuimedo | janonymous: very well | 14:35 |
| apuimedo | #action janonymous to complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/oslo-gmr and ping cores about it so we can vote next weekly IRC meeting | 14:35 |
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| apuimedo | yedongcan: thanks for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447385/ | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | merging it | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | and thanks janonymous for the report that led to the fix | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | Please, all of you, rebase your patches after this one | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | so that we don't get false -1s | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | Sorry. I got to go. Please ping me on #openstack-kuryr for more discussion. Thank you all for joining | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 14:38:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-03-20-14.01.html | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-03-20-14.01.txt | 14:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-03-20-14.01.log.html | 14:39 |
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| thomasem | #startmeeting craton | 14:59 |
| thomasem | #chair sigmavirus sulo jimbaker thomasem | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 14:59:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thomasem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| thomasem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meetings | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| thomasem | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'craton' | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jimbaker sigmavirus sulo thomasem | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:00 | |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:00 |
| sulo | o/ | 15:00 |
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| thomasem | jimbaker, sigmavirus, and fsaad said they'll be a little late. | 15:01 |
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| thomasem | o/ anonymike | 15:01 |
| anonymike | \o thomasem | 15:01 |
| antonym | o/ | 15:01 |
| thomasem | #topic Action Items from Last Meeting | 15:01 |
| thomasem | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-03-13-15.00.html | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from Last Meeting (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:01 | |
| thomasem | ACTION: thomasem to write BP regarding deployment as a starting point for iterating on a suggested deployment model | 15:02 |
| thomasem | Higher priority things in play, will be punting this again. I do think I can get something up this week, though! | 15:02 |
| thomasem | #action thomasem to write BP regarding deployment as a starting point for iterating on a suggested deployment model | 15:03 |
| thomasem | ACTION: jimbaker to map Dusty's requirements to work or existing features of Craton, especially with respect to short-term deliverable | 15:03 |
| thomasem | Not sure how relevant this is anymore, will hear jimbaker's thoughts when he gets in (probably in Open Discussion or prioritizing). | 15:03 |
| thomasem | #topic Stand-up | 15:03 |
| thomasem | #info each team member briefly describes what they are working on this week, and describes blockers (if there are any) | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stand-up (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:03 | |
| thomasem | #topic Stand Up :: thomasem | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stand Up :: thomasem (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:03 | |
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| tojuvone | hi | 15:04 |
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| thomasem | Cleaning up MySQL 5.7 patch today by updating documentation according to some testing in Ubuntu 16.04, CentOS 7, and Fedora 25 and being sure the documented install works, and noting the requirement of MySQL 5.7 for nested variable searching. Also have several reviews I want to go through today. | 15:05 |
| thomasem | Started work on functional tests for nested variable search... trying to do it in a way that affords for testing all resources the same way, so we're not copy/pasting everywhere and possibly introducing inconsistencies. Working through some snags there. | 15:06 |
| thomasem | The patch, however, can be pulled down and run as long as you're using MySQL 5.7 | 15:06 |
| thomasem | #link https://review.openstack.org/443941 | 15:07 |
| thomasem | done | 15:07 |
| thomasem | #topic Stand Up :: sulo | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stand Up :: sulo (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:07 | |
| sulo | working on a few issues re: users cretion, found some more issues that needs fixing .. after that i might poke that device sharing | 15:08 |
| sulo | done | 15:08 |
| thomasem | #topic Stand Up :: anonymike | 15:08 |
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| anonymike | Hello all. My name is Michael, I'm a developer at Rackspace and I just started on the Craton team today. I'm working on transferring some internal accounts and getting my dev environment setup. | 15:09 |
| anonymike | done | 15:09 |
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| thomasem | #topic Stand Up :: antonym | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stand Up :: antonym (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:09 | |
| antonym | testing out thomasem's patch for searching on a list of mac's which works well after switching to mysql 5.7, also got together a dev playbook for setting up the stack on a server w/o docker, done | 15:11 |
| thomasem | (YAY!) | 15:11 |
| antonym | it's here for right now: https://github.com/antonym/ecopoiesis/blob/master/roles/ecopoiesis/tasks/craton_install.yml | 15:11 |
| antonym | probably need to pull it out into a role | 15:11 |
| thomasem | #link https://github.com/antonym/ecopoiesis/blob/master/roles/ecopoiesis/tasks/craton_install.yml | 15:11 |
| thomasem | #topic This Week's Priorities | 15:12 |
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| jimbaker | o/ | 15:12 |
| sulo | antonym: nice! | 15:12 |
| thomasem | Priorities (tentative): | 15:13 |
| thomasem | 1. https://review.openstack.org/441644 | 15:13 |
| thomasem | (Alembic) | 15:13 |
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| jimbaker | thomasem, thanks, yes, i will be finalizing this. i don't anticipate anything blocking that work | 15:14 |
| thomasem | 2. https://review.openstack.org/446972 and https://review.openstack.org/446938 (Issue with creating users) | 15:14 |
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| thomasem | 3. https://review.openstack.org/440929 (Resolved Variable Search) | 15:14 |
| thomasem | 4. https://review.openstack.org/443186 (MySQL 5.7 and SQLAlchemy 1.1.6) | 15:15 |
| thomasem | 5. https://review.openstack.org/443941 (Nested variable search) | 15:15 |
| thomasem | Do folks agree with those priorities? | 15:15 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, these look good as our most important priorities | 15:15 |
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| thomasem | #2 is how project_id was not being honored in user creation, so it's a big deal. | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | agreed about this being a big deal | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | it effectively means we are not multitenant until we get this done | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | (was hidden until recently because we were using mysql directly. don't do that :) | 15:17 |
| thomasem | Other than that, we have some integration test stuff up for craton client, which has been a gap for a while. | 15:17 |
| thomasem | and we have some documentation that sigmavirus shored up.. so several in-flight reviews that could use some eyes. | 15:17 |
| sigmavirus | sorry for being late. I think some of the leftovers I ate yesterday went bad | 15:17 |
| sigmavirus | Yep, I'll be working on more documentation to get some stuff at the least started | 15:17 |
| thomasem | Excellent! Thanks for doing that, sigmavirus! | 15:18 |
| jimbaker | sigmavirus, thanks! important stuff for the project | 15:18 |
| sigmavirus | I'll be working on doing some reveiws too | 15:18 |
| jimbaker | much as we saw how getting tox -e functional made a huge diff | 15:18 |
| thomasem | Alright, assuming that's smiles all around, let's move into open discussion. | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | :) :) :) | 15:19 |
| thomasem | #topic Open Discussion | 15:19 |
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| thomasem | We have several topics today | 15:19 |
| thomasem | from sulo: Review process (proposing that we require at least 2 +2 before a +1, so atleast 2 ppl review before merge) | 15:19 |
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| jimbaker | makes sense | 15:20 |
| anonymike | I agree | 15:20 |
| jimbaker | let's be clear, there are several valid review processes in open source | 15:20 |
| thomasem | s/people/cores/ | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | but given team size, openstack standards, and current project goals, we should be good | 15:21 |
| thomasem | s/people/ppl/ | 15:21 |
| thomasem | :) | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, yep, implied by gerrit :) | 15:21 |
| thomasem | Haha, indeed | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | obviously we were in an expedited mode in 0.1.0 | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | and that was a good thing | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | but we need to go to normal mode now | 15:22 |
| thomasem | So, yeah, during the time we needed to move fast and cores were out, we saw a need to afford for cores to self-merge high value things. We tended to favor some +1s at least. But, yeah, now that we're towards the end of that short-term workstream, it definitely makes sense to tighten back up. | 15:22 |
| thomasem | Right | 15:22 |
| thomasem | sulo: anything to add? | 15:23 |
| sulo | thomasem: nothing on the review, process, looks like we all agree | 15:24 |
| thomasem | Awesome | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | agreement all around | 15:24 |
| thomasem | from sulo: Do we want to support, transfer of resouces between projects, see Ian's comment on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446938 | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, so sounds like an #agreed item | 15:24 |
| thomasem | Oh, sorry. Didn't know that was a command. | 15:25 |
| sigmavirus | thomasem: it s | 15:25 |
| sigmavirus | usually happens after a #vote though | 15:25 |
| sigmavirus | =P | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | sigmavirus, thanks for the process help | 15:25 |
| thomasem | #agreed require at least 2 +2 before a +1 workflow, so at least 2 cores review before merge | 15:25 |
| thomasem | lol, gotcha | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | thanks. we will do a formal vote next time. but we do an informal canvassing | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | we *did* do | 15:26 |
| thomasem | Either/or. As long as #agreed works the same ultimately. | 15:26 |
| thomasem | imo | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | just want to doc in minutes appropriately at the very least | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | yep | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | cool, next topic? | 15:27 |
| thomasem | Yep, noted it above ^^ | 15:27 |
| thomasem | "from sulo: Do we want to support, transfer of resouces between projects, see Ian's comment on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446938" | 15:27 |
| thomasem | I think sigmavirus and sulo were discussing this earlier | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | ahh, this is a very interesting problem | 15:27 |
| sigmavirus | Right, I'm not certain we do | 15:27 |
| sigmavirus | But I'm also not certain others won't want it | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus | So I'm not saying we should support it now | 15:28 |
| thomasem | This also has some implications here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/craton/+bug/1666699 (able to create unexpected relationships via API) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1666699 in craton "able to create unexpected relationships via API" [Undecided,New] | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, agreed with that | 15:28 |
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| jimbaker | i think the following should hold | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | we should not require the user to work with our denormalized data model | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | that to me is an implementation detail | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | that should not be exposed | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | that it in fact is exposed (poorly) is causing that bug | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | mentioned above | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | so what does this mean in practice? | 15:30 |
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| jimbaker | if creating a cell, just specify its region_id | 15:30 |
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| jimbaker | i think the way it sneaked in here is the optional cell part | 15:30 |
| thomasem | I think some audit of the exposure is important here. Does one not need to specify all parents of, say, a device that's being created? | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, that's the net of it. only specify the parent | 15:32 |
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| thomasem | Right | 15:32 |
| jimbaker | i suppose we could allow for overspecification | 15:32 |
| jimbaker | but only the parent counts, and if the overspecification is wrong, then an error is returned | 15:32 |
| thomasem | Right, so why have it in the first place? | 15:32 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, i think it makes sense from a data model perspective | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | denormalization is a valid approach | 15:33 |
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| jimbaker | but again, impl detail | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | that the client should not have to be aware of | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | having said that: i'm absolutely fine with us re-opening and looking at consequences | 15:33 |
| thomasem | I have some concerns with that being the only approach, but until I have something concrete to suggest, I'd prefer not rabbit hole on it. | 15:34 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, yep. this is entirely valid refactoring | 15:34 |
| thomasem | Yeah. It's on my to-do list to pull in some data modeling folks and see what options might suit our needs and improve our data integrity constraints at the DB rather than having to code around it. | 15:34 |
| jimbaker | thomasem, we can always benefit from a review | 15:34 |
| thomasem | But, ultimately the problem is it's exposed to the user as a bug now, so yep. | 15:35 |
| thomasem | And, bringing it back to the original topic, if we afford for moving resources between projects, we have to be sure we maintain that integrity along the way. | 15:35 |
| jimbaker | right, let's get rid of this bug by 1) requiring only parent; 2) possibly allow overspecification (and that also is backwards compatible...) | 15:35 |
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| jimbaker | thomasem, agreed | 15:36 |
| jimbaker | a database is of little use if it's corrupted | 15:36 |
| thomasem | So, the original question was: do we want to allow for that? | 15:36 |
| thomasem | Spot on | 15:36 |
| thomasem | What are some use-cases for allowing us to move resources between projects? And what resources? | 15:36 |
| jimbaker | in principle, i see it as being reasonable. however, it may make the multisource replication more challenging | 15:37 |
| thomasem | Oh, yeah... also if we can move between projects, why not clouds, regions, cells, etc.? | 15:37 |
| thomasem | I can see a case for, say, rebalancing hosts between cells | 15:38 |
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| jimbaker | within a project, it makes perfect sense | 15:38 |
| thomasem | Right | 15:38 |
| thomasem | So, is this a question we want to address now or later? Do we have concrete use-cases? | 15:38 |
| jimbaker | across a project, i think this gets more complicated, because we implicitly (!) been assuming that project could be used for partitioning | 15:39 |
| jimbaker | (from a sharded perspective, or direct customer placement) | 15:39 |
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| jimbaker | thomasem, my feeling is that we punt for now | 15:40 |
| thomasem | Mine, too. | 15:40 |
| thomasem | sulo, sigmavirus? | 15:40 |
| sigmavirus | Yeah, like I said, no need to fix this now | 15:40 |
| jimbaker | let's look at the standard answer for distributed file systems. we actually copy/delete when we say "move" | 15:40 |
| thomasem | Cool, so we'll discuss this again when it comes up as a use-case we wish to support? | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | agreed | 15:41 |
| thomasem | Excellent. Anything else folks wish to talk about>? | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | and again we can support this at least 2 ways | 15:41 |
| thomasem | Yeah | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | (i think the copy/delete paradigm works best... even if this means IDs are remapped. which is a good thing for multisource) | 15:42 |
| thomasem | And it means we need to do nothing to support it. :P | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | yes :) | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | bulk export out of a project; bulk import into a new project; done | 15:43 |
| thomasem | If there's nothing else, we can get a whole 17 minutes of our lives back. | 15:43 |
| thomasem | :D | 15:43 |
| thomasem | jimbaker: yep! | 15:43 |
| thomasem | Alrightyo, closing in.. | 15:43 |
| thomasem | 3... | 15:44 |
| thomasem | 2... | 15:44 |
| thomasem | 1... | 15:44 |
| thomasem | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 15:44:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-03-20-14.59.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-03-20-14.59.txt | 15:44 |
| jimbaker | thanks! | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-03-20-14.59.log.html | 15:44 |
| thomasem | Cheers! | 15:44 |
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| tinwood | o/ charmers | 16:59 |
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| icey | o/ tinwood | 17:00 |
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| tinwood | \o | 17:00 |
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| coreycb | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tinwood | have we got some people for a meeting? | 17:01 |
| tinwood | okay, kicking off ... | 17:02 |
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| tinwood | #startmeeting charms | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 17:02:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tinwood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:02 |
| tinwood | Hello all. Welcome to the openstack charms meeting. | 17:02 |
| tinwood | roll call, so I know who's here :) | 17:02 |
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| tinwood | hello? | 17:03 |
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| icey | Hi :) | 17:03 |
| beisner | o/ | 17:03 |
| * sparkiegeek waves | 17:03 | |
| tinwood | Okay, lets get started. | 17:03 |
| tinwood | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review ACTION points from previous meeting (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:04 | |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:04 |
| coreycb | o/ | 17:04 |
| tinwood | The only one we have is: ACTION: jamespage Draft initial proposal for service discovery | 17:04 |
| tinwood | o/ jamespage | 17:04 |
| jamespage | done | 17:04 |
| tinwood | excellent! | 17:05 |
| jamespage | hmm - but I think I need to write that up as a spec still | 17:05 |
| tinwood | Is there a link? | 17:05 |
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| jamespage | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/charms-service-discovery | 17:05 |
| cholcombe | o/ | 17:05 |
| tinwood | ta | 17:05 |
| tinwood | Okay, next topic: | 17:06 |
| tinwood | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "State of Development for next Charm Release (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:06 | |
| tinwood | we're early in the cycle. | 17:06 |
| tinwood | I'm still switching on some of the tests for automated testing. | 17:07 |
| tinwood | Anyone want to comment on this? | 17:07 |
| tinwood | (topic) | 17:07 |
| * beisner thanks tinwood and thedac ;-) | 17:07 | |
| beisner | i have a question on this topic | 17:07 |
| beisner | pike is next | 17:07 |
| beisner | i'd like to see us have a definitive checkpoint where we aim to have preliminary bits landed and sync'd in ahead of charm freeze. | 17:08 |
| tinwood | do you mean like the bits I'm doing now? | 17:08 |
| beisner | re: c-h version tables, c-h amulet helpers, amulet test definitions, etc. | 17:08 |
| beisner | yes | 17:08 |
| tinwood | Is there a reason we do them afterwards? (e.g. they're not going to work beforehand) | 17:09 |
| beisner | it doesn't have to be / shouldn't be flipped on as gating at that checkpoint, but we should have all of the series/codename bits flipped and landed so people can do a `func27-dev` and get those to run. | 17:09 |
| beisner | tinwood, no reason other than 'its hard'(tm) when upstream bits are still flying in the days/weeks leading up to it. | 17:10 |
| tinwood | that's a good reason :) | 17:10 |
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| * sparkiegeek hands beisner a ™ | 17:10 | |
| beisner | it is a bit chicken/egg. in order for us to know where we stand, we need to have a certain baseline of things landed to make the mechanics of testing work. | 17:10 |
| beisner | without that, we can't even deploy the next thing™ | 17:11 |
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| tinwood | okay, beisner would you like an action to suggest a process that might work? i.e. what sort of timeatable would work, etc. | 17:11 |
| beisner | so i'd like to be able to deploy the next thing™ earlier this, and every cycle., | 17:11 |
| beisner | even if it's not known-good. | 17:11 |
| * beisner thanks sparkiegeek too | 17:11 | |
| jamespage | beisner: so like enabling xenial-pike now rather than later? | 17:11 |
| beisner | tinwood, curious if there are thoughts already on this among those in the room | 17:11 |
| beisner | jamespage, exactly. | 17:12 |
| jamespage | beisner: but as part of dev first rather than gate | 17:12 |
| beisner | or at some pre-determined checkpoint, such as R-N | 17:12 |
| beisner | jamespage, exactly x 2 | 17:12 |
| coreycb | not amulet related, but we do have a to-do to enable CI from master branch PPAs for pike | 17:12 |
| tinwood | could they be non-voting? | 17:12 |
| beisner | coreycb, this is a prereq for that. | 17:12 |
| tinwood | i.e. run automatically. | 17:12 |
| icey | +1 for non voting early CI | 17:12 |
| jamespage | beisner: its a shame we can't split up our full amulet run to report back individual results for each check/gate | 17:12 |
| jamespage | then we could have a non-voting check on the development release stuff early in cycle | 17:13 |
| beisner | jamespage, we can and we plan to. ie. define each test in the project-config bits, rather than wildcard them in tox. | 17:13 |
| jamespage | awesome | 17:13 |
| jamespage | so dev vs gate is the current method for that right? | 17:13 |
| beisner | yep | 17:13 |
| beisner | dev-* | 17:13 |
| jamespage | ok | 17:13 |
| jamespage | +1 | 17:13 |
| beisner | a'ight thanks y'all | 17:14 |
| tinwood | sounds good +1 | 17:14 |
| tinwood | so, any action out of that? | 17:14 |
| jamespage | btw I did write the spec | 17:14 |
| jamespage | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/charm-specs/specs/pike/approved/service-discovery.html | 17:14 |
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| jamespage | rrd-brain | 17:14 |
| beisner | tinwood, action would be to do what thedac's batch is doing now for ocata, but for pike immediately after. | 17:14 |
| coreycb | beisner, not following the pre-req bit but i don't know if it's important | 17:14 |
| beisner | coreycb, in order to test pike deploys from master pkg builds, the charms have to be pike-aware. | 17:15 |
| tinwood | this feels bigger than a simple action. maybe we could open a bug to track it? | 17:15 |
| coreycb | beisner, right but not necessarily amulet pike aware, although that would be nice | 17:15 |
| * sparkiegeek 's eyes twitch at "alot" in service-discover spec | 17:16 | |
| beisner | coreycb, correct, the two are not technically coupled. but it makes sense to enable the dev-* amulets in the same batch, as there is no expectation that they pass or be gating. | 17:16 |
| beisner | tinwood, this is really a routine issue, which we need to formulate and just-do each cycle., | 17:17 |
| beisner | and my trailing commas are due to a bandaid on my finger btw ;-) | 17:17 |
| tinwood | beisner, I agree, but the initial work needs to be tracked somewhere, wouldn't you agree (i.e. to make sure it happens!) | 17:17 |
| coreycb | beisner, that's true if we want to enable pike tests early in the cycle but i didn't think that was the plan | 17:17 |
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| beisner | tinwood, yep, wherever we track the "open the next version for development" list-o-stuff ™ to do. | 17:17 |
| tinwood | okay, then I will leave it with you :) Any thing more on this topic before we move on? | 17:18 |
| beisner | coreycb, depends on who's driving the batches. if i'm driving, i'm flipping the bits in one pass vs two or three. | 17:18 |
| coreycb | beisner, my point is that we want to do CI on a daily basis for pike starting soonish. but will amulet tests be part of that for pike? | 17:19 |
| beisner | tinwood, but i'm not convinced we have such a list-o-stuff list, so let's add an action to document the dev-cycle-opening task list? | 17:19 |
| beisner | coreycb, fear not. the CI daily won't be dependent on the amulet dev actually passing. it'll be a blind bitflip so that people "can" exercise it. whereas right now they "cannot." | 17:20 |
| tinwood | #action beisner list-o-stuff™ concerning/documenting the dev-cycle-opening task list. | 17:20 |
| beisner | then, at freeze or before it, hopefully pike has stabilized enough, and there is someone ready and available to go make sure they pass. | 17:20 |
| coreycb | beisner, cool, i'd be +1 for non-voting pike enablement of amulet tests | 17:20 |
| * tinwood hopes the ™ didn't break the action bot | 17:20 | |
| beisner | :-) | 17:20 |
| tinwood | Okay, next up: | 17:21 |
| beisner | thanks guys and gals | 17:21 |
| tinwood | #topic Discussion: service discovery vs modeling | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: service discovery vs modeling (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:21 | |
| tinwood | jamespage, the floor ... | 17:21 |
| jamespage | oh that's an old item - we already talked bout that | 17:21 |
| jamespage | outcome was: | 17:21 |
| jamespage | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/charm-specs/specs/pike/approved/service-discovery.html | 17:21 |
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| tinwood | okay, wasn't sure whether it was a post spec discussion. All is good :) | 17:22 |
| tinwood | thanks | 17:22 |
| jamespage | crufty agenda methings | 17:22 |
| tinwood | #topic High Priority Bugs | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High Priority Bugs (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:22 | |
| tinwood | OpenStack bugs at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms | 17:22 |
| tinwood | critical/high = 69 bugs | 17:23 |
| jamespage | its about 15% of total bugs | 17:24 |
| jamespage | (453) | 17:24 |
| jamespage | gosh did that in my head | 17:24 |
| tinwood | 10 reported in the last year that are still open. | 17:24 |
| sparkiegeek | in the last year = > 365 days old, or reported in 2016 ? | 17:25 |
| jamespage | I think its worth everyone using their bug time to focus in on those bugs | 17:25 |
| tinwood | (actually it may be more than that, due to sorting not working!) | 17:25 |
| jamespage | it may be they are not classified correctly; or that they do need fixing | 17:25 |
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| jamespage | I'd encourage folk to leave 4hrs or so a week to bug triage | 17:26 |
| tinwood | we have regular bug squash days. | 17:26 |
| tinwood | jamespage, can I triage yet? | 17:26 |
| jamespage | we have the monthly bug squash days as well | 17:26 |
| jamespage | tinwood: you should be able to | 17:26 |
| tinwood | okay, I will check | 17:26 |
| jamespage | tinwood: yes you're in the right team | 17:26 |
| tinwood | any bugs we want to discuss before moving on. (we have 3 minutes) | 17:27 |
| jamespage | nope | 17:27 |
| jamespage | oh actually | 17:27 |
| jamespage | I wanted to mention | 17:27 |
| jamespage | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/charm-guide/1702.html#ceph-based-cinder-storage-backends | 17:27 |
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| jamespage | that was resolved as a post 17.02 stable update | 17:27 |
| * jamespage looks at sparkiegeek | 17:28 | |
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| jamespage | I did raise this to dpb last week - just want to make sure one of our downstream projects is aware of that requirement for ocata | 17:28 |
| sparkiegeek | jamespage: noted, thanks | 17:28 |
| jamespage | yw | 17:28 |
| tinwood | #topic Openstack Events | 17:28 |
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| tinwood | any comments on this? | 17:29 |
| tinwood | if not: | 17:29 |
| tinwood | #topic Open Discussion | 17:29 |
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| tinwood | floors anybody's | 17:29 |
| icey | time to clear the floor? | 17:30 |
| sparkiegeek | did my suggestion of updating/composing release notes as we go get anywhere? | 17:30 |
| tinwood | is that relnote or similar? | 17:30 |
| tinwood | because something got mentioned at the ptg | 17:31 |
| jamespage | sparkiegeek: the reno stuf? | 17:31 |
| jamespage | sparkiegeek: that's the intent but I think we're lacking an assignee atm | 17:31 |
| sparkiegeek | jamespage: tinwood: ... maybe? | 17:31 |
| * tinwood thanks sparkiegeek | 17:31 | |
| tinwood | yes, I'll take a look. | 17:31 |
| sparkiegeek | I didn't read notes from PTG (are they up somewhere?) | 17:31 |
| jamespage | changes would land with the associated releasenote and we then generate them all | 17:31 |
| tinwood | #action tinwood to look at reno | 17:32 |
| jamespage | sparkiegeek: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-charms-ptg-pike | 17:32 |
| sparkiegeek | jamespage: thankns | 17:32 |
| tinwood | anything else? | 17:32 |
| tinwood | okay, thanks everybody. | 17:33 |
| tinwood | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 17:33:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-03-20-17.02.html | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-03-20-17.02.txt | 17:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-03-20-17.02.log.html | 17:33 |
| coreycb | thanks tinwood | 17:34 |
| sparkiegeek | thanks tinwood | 17:34 |
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| jamespage | thanks tinwood | 17:34 |
| tinwood | :) | 17:35 |
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