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| rosmaita | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, alex_bash | 13:58 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 14:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | (that's the agenda) | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| dharinic | \o | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | light turnout, i know jokke_ is around somewhere, though | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus has a conflict this morning | 14:01 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | i decided to take some advice from stevelle and timebox the agenda more clearly | 14:02 |
| alex_bash | o/ | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | i think we've got 35 min of stuff if i don't talk too much | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | so i'll wait 2 more min to see who else arrives | 14:03 |
| stevelle | so if things run over, we should have time | 14:03 |
| stevelle | and know how much | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | ok, let's get started ... agenda link for anyone who missed it earlier: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | #topic updates - dates to keep in mind | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates - dates to keep in mind (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-ptg-roadmap-prelim | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | you can look at the dates there, i wont' paste here | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | key things are spec proposal freeze in 2 weeks | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | spec freeze 2 weeks later | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | virtual midcycle - no exact date yet, just a week | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | virtual operators' midcycle - no exact date yet, just a week | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates - docs | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates - docs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:06 | |
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| rosmaita | asettle , the docs PTL is working with us to reorganize the glance docs | 14:07 |
| * asettle enters with a dramatic flourish | 14:07 | |
| asettle | You rang? | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-ptg-docs | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:07 |
| asettle | hey! | 14:07 |
| asettle | So, as per my email last week - we need to split up the work | 14:07 |
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| asettle | Each that volunteered - me, jokke_ alex_bash stevelle and rosmaita - we should split up the lifting | 14:07 |
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| asettle | Someone take admin, dev ref, etc etc | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | Noo, there's that much of it? :o | 14:08 |
| asettle | Who can volunteer for what? | 14:08 |
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| asettle | jokke_: it's just to split it up and make it go a bit faster :) | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | before we do that, i have some questions about the admin guide, operations guide, etc | 14:09 |
| asettle | Shoot :) | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | my key question is who maintains those, and where they exist? | 14:09 |
| asettle | ... oh | 14:09 |
| asettle | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc | 14:09 |
| asettle | We do :) | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | and where are they published to, he said ungrammatically | 14:09 |
| asettle | https://docs.openstack.org/ | 14:09 |
| asettle | Here :) | 14:09 |
| asettle | End User Guide - user guide, ADministration Guide (admin guide) Operations Guide (ops guide) | 14:10 |
| asettle | The docs team looks after this page and everything attached to it | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's good | 14:10 |
| asettle | I apologise, when I was referencing all this content in our session I thought we were on the same page | 14:10 |
| asettle | Now, with that | 14:10 |
| asettle | I don't want a 'dump and run' on behalf of the glance team. The CPL ( alex_bash ) will be in charge of ensuring this content is maintained. | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | asettle: I think rosmaita was just asleep ... we discussed that there ;) | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yes, but i want it written down | 14:11 |
| asettle | Keep in mind though, I think you should keep content related to the ADministration Guide in-tree. As you may or may not know, we'll be doing a project-specific admin guide soon | 14:11 |
| stevelle | What is the essential difference between Admin / Ops guides? That drives decisions of what goes where. | 14:11 |
| asettle | rosmaita: the openstack-manuals project has always been around, I'm not too sure what you're asking me to write down? | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | asettle: i am a very simple person, i need the info i outlined on the etherpad | 14:12 |
| asettle | stevelle: yes, so that's an excellent question and one we're trying to address. At the moment, the admin guide is about the 'operational tasks' whereas the operations guide details 'designing and creating' your cloud | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | where the stuff is stored, where it's published, what the audience is | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | we don't see the stuff that's not in our repo | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | so it's not obvious where there is overlap | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | which is what we would like to eliminate | 14:12 |
| asettle | No problem :) | 14:13 |
| asettle | I'll have it all detailed when I get a spare mo | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | thanks, not trying to rush you | 14:13 |
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| asettle | No not at all :) we're just a bit all hands on deck with some nova stuff today (ughhhh) | 14:13 |
| stevelle | rosmaita: we need to fix our dashboard. I made a query to find glance related docs changes we can work into our dash btw | 14:13 |
| stevelle | we can follow that item up later | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, so action items are: | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | #action asettle will update etherpad with some descriptive info about what the docs team maintains | 14:14 |
| asettle | *nods* got it :) | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #everyone look at the etherpad to see how our docs are being reorganized (or proposed to be re-orged) | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, one more docs topic | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | the man pages | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | some distros (ubuntu) package them | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | but they have tended to languish | 14:15 |
| asettle | Which is interesting | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | key problem is that the --help from the tools (like glance-manage) and hte man pages aren't quite in sync | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | do we have bug opened for that? | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | also, updating for general stuff like what release is out of date too | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | no bug open yet | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | there's a patch to update the man pages | 14:17 |
| alex_bash | there would have to be many bugs | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i am thinking maybe a spec-lite to propose a longer term solution? | 14:17 |
| asettle | Question - maybe a silly question - why do the distros use your man pages to package? It doesn't appear that way in other projects. | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | well, nova has man pages | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | so there | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | asettle: because we and they are special :D | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | but seriously, if we don't provide them, who will? | 14:18 |
| asettle | hahahha did you just 'so there' me rosmaita ?! | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:18 |
| asettle | THat doesn't explain anything! It's a genuine question. I don't know why they do that tbh | 14:18 |
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| rosmaita | we can ask the packagers | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i actually emailed some people | 14:18 |
| asettle | If it comes along the way, that'd be rad to know tbh | 14:18 |
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| rosmaita | the RDO group says that they hate the man pages, were not sorry that you deleted them | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | they prefer the --help text | 14:19 |
| asettle | Well, that's what I would have thought | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | but, looking at the man pages, they do contain some contextual info that's missing from--help | 14:19 |
| asettle | (using the help text, that is) | 14:19 |
| asettle | WHy is it mising? | 14:19 |
| asettle | missing* SHould you not be adding it in? | 14:19 |
| asettle | (If htat's a thing) | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | well, that's an interesting question | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | it is not a simple thing to do given the way the tools are configured ATM | 14:20 |
| * stevelle whispers "one source of truth" | 14:20 | |
| asettle | I mean, if the issue is that the man pages contain information that the help text doesn't, isn't htat a gap you should fix rather than providing two sets of help information? | 14:20 |
| * asettle is on board with stevelle rn | 14:20 | |
| asettle | rosmaita: should that not be a greater long term bug/fix rather than trying to find another way around it? | 14:20 |
| stevelle | I like that answer but hold the opinion lightly right now | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | asettle: so before everything turned to wannabe Windows PowerShell the documentation and specially the manpages were used to document the behavior of the software and delivered with the software itself so it was available for those who were operating systems without access to online docs and search engines. I guess we're just old-fashioned | 14:21 |
| asettle | Ahhhh! | 14:21 |
| asettle | ^^ that's what i Was looking for :) | 14:21 |
| asettle | It's interesting, no criticisms, promise. Just interested as to why things are they way they are | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | so here's what i'm wondering | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | man pages can give you some context about why you would use a tool and maybe some stuff to be aware of | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | like the implications of using db purge | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | whereas, --help maybe not | 14:22 |
| * jokke_ also absolutely hates those 7 screen long --help outputs | 14:22 | |
| rosmaita | what i'd like to see is to somehow fill in the man pages with --help text | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | i agree, too much --help sucks | 14:23 |
| asettle | ^^ that I could agree with too | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but we do want the single source of truth | 14:23 |
| stevelle | how about a man page that contains a url? (devils' advocate) | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok, we will return to this later when i ask if anyone wants to investigate this for a decent solution | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | url to ... ? | 14:24 |
| stevelle | html docs that contain more context | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: sure as long as that uri is file://<path-to-local-docs> :P | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, we'll talk more about this later | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | #topic march operators' survey | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | i've got 2 surveys set up, need feedback on the questions and advice on whihc one to do in march, whihc in april | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-cache-operator-survey | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i re-used the etherpad, it actually contains 2 surveys | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | the topics are owner_is_tenant=False, who does it, and glance-cache, who uses it | 14:26 |
| stevelle | what's the deadline for the march survey? | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i'd like to send the survey out next week, so please look them over | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | probably one week after i announce it on the operators' list | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | this is our glance-specific surevey, so we cna do whatever we want | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i am interested in owner_is_tenant ATM, but that's just me | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | so | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | #action everyone feedback on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-cache-operator-survey | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | any questions? (i boxed this for 5 min figuring the previous topic might run over) | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving along | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | #topic "owned" topics reports | 14:29 |
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| rosmaita | last week i asked for volunteers to take on specific tasks to make sure they don't fall through the cracks | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i'd like to check in, see what people have been up to, and who may need to get some help/someone else to pick up the topic | 14:29 |
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| rosmaita | first up is sigmavirus who is not here | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | he's got a draft of his release czar process and advice that i've seen | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i guess he'll be putting it up as a patch soon, to live somewhere in the dev docs | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | #topic owned - show_multiple_locations | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil was going to work on a spec for this, didn't see him around this morning, though | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | spec proposal deadline is 2 weeks away, so i'm not worried yet | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | #topic owned - dev docs for E-M-C db migrations | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | hemanthm is working on this one | 14:32 |
| hemanthm | should have a patch up in a bit | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | excellent | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | gr8 | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | #topic owned - list of glance deprecated options | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | hemanthm was working on this, but i think someone else should take it | 14:33 |
| dharinic | I can help hemanthm. | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | sold! | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | thanks dharinic | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | question: the next topic was the deprecated options glance is consuming | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i guess we decided to combine the two lists? | 14:34 |
| hemanthm | yes | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | #topic owned - image import backend | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | this one is jokke_ , who just put up a bunch of patches before the meeting | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: any requests, other than that people look over the patches ? | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | would be great to get some comments as well | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | sorry, i meant "look over" in the sense of "review"! | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | #everyone review jokke's image import patches | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i'll put a list in the weekly emial | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | 14:37 | |
| jokke_ | any ideas how to improve those, but lets keep in mind this is really the MVP ... lets get those merged as soon as they "work" and we have common agreement that the approach is by the spec | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | and iterate from that | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | sounds good | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | otherwise the patches will just keep existing in my local | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | and nobody wants that! | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | also that dependency chain is nightmare to maintain and rebase | 14:38 |
| stevelle | they always are | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | ok, next topic | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | #topic Boston "Forum" planning | 14:39 |
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| rosmaita | i know we just finished the PTG, but it's Boston summit planning time | 14:39 |
| stevelle | foundation missed an opportunity by not having this premier in Rome | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | actually, we devs will be at the "Forum" | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: ++ | 14:40 |
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| * jokke_ has no idea yet if I will be there or not | 14:40 | |
| stevelle | the deadline is already passed for talk submittions | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | anyway, the info about the forum, what it is, and what facilities are available is here: | 14:40 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Glance-brainstorming | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | so, what's weird, is that while the summit talk submissions has closed | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | the forum has not | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | and the TC is asking the community to propose stuff from which they will select | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | with the proposals being on etherpad, i think | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | you can read the details, i put links on the etherpad linked above | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | anyway, i don't know if i've got travel support to go yet either | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | but, don't let not going interfere with proposing some exciting topics! | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all i had there | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | i should take a quick poll, though ... how many people here understand what the "Forum" is? | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | _o_ | 14:43 |
| stevelle | I think I do, but probably not the sanctioned answer | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | yeah, not sure what i meant to ask there | 14:44 |
| * hemanthm raises hand half-way | 14:44 | |
| rosmaita | i guess my question is: | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | if you had travel support, would you attend the Boston Forum? | 14:44 |
| * rosmaita not sure | 14:45 | |
| rosmaita | (though i guess i'm supposed to, to gather all the feedback from operators and users) | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | What is Boston Forum | 14:45 |
| * stevelle leaning no | 14:45 | |
| alex_bash | forum != summit? | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | s/Forum/Forum?/ | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: this explains it a bit: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113115.html | 14:46 |
| stevelle | https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/ over May 8-11, 2017 btw | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | it's a part of the summit | 14:46 |
| hemanthm | alex_bash: that's the new name after PTG split | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | supposed to be non-marketing, allow for feedback to dev teams from ops and users | 14:46 |
| dharinic | So Forum is more like a dev meeting thing? | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | like the ptg but with more listening and less design planning | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | (i think) | 14:47 |
| hemanthm | dev-dev is PTG | 14:47 |
| dharinic | ahh, cool. | 14:47 |
| hemanthm | dev-ops/users is Forum | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: that's a good one-line description | 14:47 |
| stevelle | forum is one of the tracks at summit | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | yes, I'd likely be there if I get travels arranged | 14:47 |
| stevelle | the way I understand it at least | 14:47 |
| hemanthm | stevelle: yeah, possibly. I could be wrong | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: my impression was that it's a special thing, not a track | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | but i could be wrong, too | 14:48 |
| stevelle | https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-categories/ there we go | 14:48 |
| stevelle | it's listed on there | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yep, looks like you're right | 14:49 |
| hemanthm | alex_bash: forget what I said earlier :) | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: i think you're right, it's a summit track for dev-ops/users | 14:50 |
| stevelle | part of the summit is probably most accurate, track can mean something else | 14:50 |
| dharinic | there is a category for developers seperately too. | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | just that being held concurrently with everything else ... who knows how it will work? | 14:50 |
| stevelle | those are cloud consumers in this case dharinic | 14:50 |
| dharinic | oops thats for cloud apps | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | anyway, back on topic ... | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | please add stuff to the etherpad so that we've got something to propose | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Glance-brainstorming | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | and it looks like if have mis-esstimated time | 14:51 |
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| rosmaita | i wlll postpone looking for new owners to next week | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: had a suggestion about dashboards? | 14:52 |
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| stevelle | the glance dashboard should probably include a slice of openstack-manuals related to glance | 14:53 |
| stevelle | I cooked up a query for it last friday I think, I can dig that back out but I would like to see the dashboard folks use updated to include awareness of docs | 14:53 |
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| stevelle | any thoughts? | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: you mean this dashboard: http://gerrit-dash-creator.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dashboards/dashboard_glance.html | 14:54 |
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| stevelle | rosmaita: pretty sure that's the one, yes | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | wasn't that Flavio's gift for us? | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | yes, and i for one have been un-good about using it | 14:55 |
| stevelle | it's the second link in my browser toolbar | 14:56 |
| stevelle | do folks have custom ones? | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | (while we're looking, could someone please take care of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420038/ ?) | 14:57 |
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| alex_bash | where do these come from: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/glance,dashboards ? | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | my thought is that i agree with stevelle that it would be good to get the docs we are supposed to keep an eye on into this dashboard | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | alex_bash: i don't know | 14:58 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, we are almost out of time ... the ocata postmortem had a split result on whether the priorities emails are worth doing, i will break the tie and continue them | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | 30 sec ... | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks all! | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 15:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-09-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-09-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-09-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | sjmc7: all yours | 15:00 |
| sjmc7 | merci | 15:00 |
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| sjmc7 | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | sjmc7: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 15:00 |
| sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 15:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| sjmc7 | haha, good start | 15:00 |
| sjmc7 | morning all | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | i wonder how many "marketing committee" meeting logs there are | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | probably a lot | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | sounds like a front for a spy agency | 15:01 |
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| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | o/ | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | you have to get up early for the glance one - aren’t you west coast rosmaita ? | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | we’ll get going in one more minute | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | no, virginia | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | otherwise, i would have moved the meeting time! | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | okey dokey | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | #topic pike open | 15:04 |
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| sjmc7 | Ocata’s now all officially closed | 15:04 |
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| TravT | i noticed that launchpad doesn't have a pike series in it | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah.. not sure why that is yet | 15:05 |
| TravT | well, i always created them myself | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | Ah, then that would be why: I’m lazy | 15:05 |
| TravT | including ocata | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | So I’ll do that following this | 15:05 |
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| rosmaita | sounds like TravT volunteered to do it? | 15:06 |
| TravT | nah, i was trying to make sjmc7 feel guilty | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | :) Mission accomplished! We’ve got a huge laundry list of blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlightthat needs some curating | 15:06 |
| TravT | ;) | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | Which i’ve also been lazy about. I’m going it curate it a bit today, but if there’s work people want to see in Pike please raise a BP or tag it for Pike | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | We got most of the core stuff in over the last couple of releases so there are fewer big ticket items, which is good | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | The UI could do with some love, and there are some more architectural things in there. I’d definitely like to solidify ES 5 support | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | Dunno if anyone has any ideas for stuff they’d like to add we could discuss? | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | Otherwise mailing list or launchpad is fine | 15:10 |
| TravT | there was an email this morning from richard | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah, I was gonna reply to that after this too - I’ll suggest they put that code in horizon which i think was the intent all along | 15:10 |
| TravT | about moving our registered resource types in the ui into horizon. | 15:10 |
| TravT | yeah, the panel started as a horizon patch | 15:10 |
| TravT | but since it was following the typical trajectory of taking multiple years to merge there, we broke it into its own panel | 15:11 |
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| TravT | but david-lyle all along said that he thought that was a good way to get code sort of incubated (breaking it out) and then bringing back in when it makes sense | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | ok. this is a good test of that statement :) | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | We’ll need to coordinate a bit so that we don’t duplicate it but that should be fine | 15:12 |
| TravT | yeah, i think it will overall benefit to have some of those resource panels go back into horizon... because we have not had the time to get all the actions finished for some of them. | 15:13 |
| TravT | moving it into horizon will ironically likely help that now. | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah. It makes sense generally too, so i don’t think it’s very controversial | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | Ok, if there’s no features/pike things to discuss i’ll move on to the feature/pike thing i wanted to discuss | 15:14 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic Nova cells | 15:15 |
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| sjmc7 | There was a mailing list discussion following the PTG from Matt in Nova - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112996.html | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | They’re serious this release about beginning integration with Searchlight. They have a spec at https://review.openstack.org/441692 and matt’s asked some questions in IRC | 15:15 |
| TravT | yeah, shout out the lei-zh and Kevin_Zheng_Hex for jumping in on that. | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah, thanks both for that | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | I don’t know if we can exclusively switch to versioned or we’ll have to maintain both; that might be a question for nova, but any changes will only be made to versioned notifications | 15:16 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | turns out many problems occoured | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | Ah. | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | Not entirely unexpected - are there any that’ll require work on searchlight? | 15:17 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | not much, I think the major problem is in Nova | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | Excellent! | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | Although i suspect there will be stuff for us later | 15:18 |
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| lei-zh | I see Kevin_Zheng_Hex starts to work on a POC | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | I saw the discussion about being able to force list instances to go to the DB | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | Was there anything else? | 15:19 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | we have to find a way to get trusty data IMO | 15:19 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | otherwise it will be a dead loop | 15:19 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | lei-zh find out this | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | trusty data? | 15:20 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex | if we re-sync, nova will call SL | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | Ah, yes | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | My thought was (as i put in the review) if they already need a code path that supports not having searchlight, there should be a flag to force that path | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | I don’t know if that makes sense/is possible, but I think it will be necessary not just for initial indexing but for reliability if SL becomes unavailable or needs resyncing/updating | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | Since we’re a secondary data store i would not want nova to be totally reliant on SL | 15:23 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | oops, disconnected | 15:23 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | yeah, according to the current spec, there will be one config to set wheter use SL or not | 15:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | but it will be stop nova -> unset flag -> start nova -> re-sync -> stop nova -> set flag -> start nova | 15:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | very ugly | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | urgh | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, an API flag seems much more sensible | 15:24 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | but seems API sub team don't like it | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | it’s not just at initial openstack deployment we need to sync | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | after major releases we probably will | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | we don’t have the same rolling upgrade capabilities nova does | 15:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | and nova keeps read from it's own DB while listing ... due to its extension mechanism | 15:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | but it's a nova problem | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah. Anyway, i guess anyone who’s interested keep an eye on that review (https://review.openstack.org/441692) | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | They do seem quite serious about making progress on it | 15:27 |
| lei-zh | yep, if you consider SL as kind of cache for nova DB, a way to refresh at anytime is necessary | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | Our versioned notification BP is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-versioned-notifications | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | I see Kevin_Zheng has assigned that to himself, but let us know if you need help | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | The ironic plugin uses versioned notifications if you have any trouble getting it set up | 15:28 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | ah... I didn't assign it... | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | Hahaha, maybe TravT did in a fit of wishful thinking | 15:29 |
| lei-zh | lol | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | I’ll unassign you for now | 15:29 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | I thought we already adopt versioned noifiation? | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | Not for the nova plugin | 15:30 |
| lei-zh | flavor did? | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | They were still writing them until Ocata | 15:30 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | flavor versioned notification | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | Ah, yes | 15:30 |
| lei-zh | but not for instance | 15:30 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | yeah, thats true | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | Ok, so it may be easy to get set uip | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | The payloads are very different | 15:30 |
| TravT | ah, yeah, i did assign kevin.... my bad | 15:30 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | I don't know I have enough time | 15:30 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | intergration seems tons of work | 15:31 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | nova intergration | 15:31 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | I mean for the versioned notification thing | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah, it may be. I’ll try to dig out some time to do it | 15:32 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | But I would help if intergration went smooth :) | 15:33 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | Just need to figure out the plan and then it might be easier | 15:33 |
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| sjmc7 | Yep. This cycle’s longer than Ocata so hopefully we’ve got a decent shot at it | 15:34 |
| lei-zh | Is supporting nova delete also on the agenda? | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | The soft delete thing? | 15:35 |
| lei-zh | yep | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah, that’s a good point.. Apparently nova needs the capability to list “deleted” instances | 15:35 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | yeah, and there is also soft_delete | 15:35 |
| Kevin_Zheng_Hex_ | we should do both | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | Yeah. Historically the problem is that we can add filters to a plugin (“.. AND NOT deleted”) but allowing the user to override it isn’t supported | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | Looking at the code though, it seems like it would be possible to add limited support where we’d look for {“term”: } type query clauses to override default filters like that | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | It wouldn’t apply to RBAC filters, just data ones. This came up with glance a while back for some reason i can’t remember. community images i think | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | I’ll add a blueprint for it | 15:38 |
| lei-zh | you mean the problem is for query_string or for all queries | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i think we can’t cope with query_string but that’s ok | 15:39 |
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| sjmc7 | if you want to override it, you have to provide a structured query with {“term”: {“deleted”: [true, false]}} | 15:40 |
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| lei-zh | yeah, this seems more complicated than versioned notifications | 15:41 |
| lei-zh | I'm often in trouble fighting with ES queries | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah, the syntax is a bit overwhelming | 15:42 |
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| sjmc7 | I keep meaning to look to see if they can be simplified a bit | 15:42 |
| Kevin_Zheng | can we have a easier client？ | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | Our client does allow simplified queries | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | We could add a flag for this, although it would be a bit special case | 15:44 |
| Kevin_Zheng | And the response looked too nested | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | The hits.[0]._source ? | 15:45 |
| Kevin_Zheng | That's just what I feel while working on pic | 15:45 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Poc | 15:45 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Yeah | 15:45 |
| Kevin_Zheng | But that no big deal :) | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah.. I have wondered whether we should have abstracted away from Elasticsearch more | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | There are/were good reasons we did it this way, but can always change | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | Feel free to file BPs or bugs if tehre are things that get in your way | 15:46 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Maybe we could have a param in client | 15:47 |
| Kevin_Zheng | To choice whether nested result or simple one to return? | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | To transform the result? Yeah | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | That’d be easy to do | 15:47 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Good , I will try tomorrow | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | You’d lose some of the information (like total results, timing) | 15:48 |
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| sjmc7 | But if all you want is the _source that’s ok | 15:48 |
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| sjmc7 | Ok, will open it up for a few more minutes | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | #topic open discussion | 15:49 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | Yeah, feels like do it in nova didn't look nice | 15:49 |
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| sjmc7 | Yeah, no objection to making that an option on the client | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | Any more on this issue? Or any others? | 15:49 |
| Kevin_Zheng | :) | 15:49 |
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| rosmaita | i have a question from out of left field, so i'll wait until we're sure there's no follow-up from the above discussion | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | i’m drooling with anticipatin | 15:50 |
| rosmaita | sounds like one of those new statin drugs | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | hahahaha | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | once there are no more FDA regulations i’ll try marketing it! what was your question? | 15:51 |
| rosmaita | someone asked me whether you need keystone to run searchlight, and i said yes because searchlight needs to know your roles so it can expose info appropriately | 15:51 |
| rosmaita | but nikhil pointed out htat therere's a paste option for noauth | 15:52 |
| rosmaita | so i was wondering what hte correct answer is | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | you don’t *need* it, but you do need the headers indicating your tenant | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | tenant and/or admin roles | 15:53 |
| rosmaita | so basically, it's simpler to run with keystone in place | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | so same as any other openstack service | 15:53 |
| rosmaita | gotcha | 15:53 |
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| sjmc7 | if you handle auth some other way, you can take out keystone | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | but with the noauth middleware you’re saying “anyone can access anything” | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | so you’d need to hide the API behind something | 15:54 |
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| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | i’m somewhat curious now :) | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | our API code is very similar to glance’s since we branched it | 15:54 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, it looked pretty familiar | 15:56 |
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| sjmc7 | if he has details on what he wants to do he can come ask | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | ok, gonna call it here. i’ve created the pike series and milestones in launchpad so stuff can be scoped to it | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | thanks everyone! | 15:57 |
| rosmaita | thank you | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | good night/morning/afternoon all | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 15:58:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-09-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-09-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-09-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: i think the question was more along the lines "does searchlight use keystone" more than is "keystone a hard requirement for searchlight" | 15:58 |
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| sjmc7 | ah. then yes :) | 15:59 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 16:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| mhayden | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| andymccr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| andymccr | its just me and you major ;) | 16:02 |
| mgariepy | i'm here | 16:02 |
| mhayden | it is close to spring break in many parts ofthe US | 16:02 |
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| antonym | o/ | 16:02 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 16:03 |
| jmccrory | o/ | 16:03 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:03 |
| * mhayden will wait til :05 after | 16:04 | |
| evrardjp | I still think I should do \o | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | at least it's not o? this time | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | or maybe \o/ because I'm super enthusiastic! | 16:05 |
| mhayden | #topic Review action items | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | it's :05 | 16:05 |
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| mhayden | looks like we didn't have any | 16:05 |
| asettle | Hooray | 16:05 |
| mhayden | or wait | 16:06 |
| mhayden | we need a name for the OSA inventory python package | 16:06 |
| mhayden | palendae: any updates there? | 16:06 |
| palendae | mhayden: None yet; I didn't get to sending an email to the mailing list. Last I checked there weren't a ton of votes for anything | 16:06 |
| palendae | Maybe 1-2 for each name https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-python-package-name | 16:06 |
| mhayden | i still think openstack-ansible-palendae-inventory-improvement-thing-2017 has a nice ring to it | 16:07 |
| andymccr | hahahahahaha | 16:07 |
| andymccr | yeah that is pretty good | 16:07 |
| mhayden | ship it | 16:07 |
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| palendae | Dashes aren't allowed ;) | 16:07 |
| mhayden | palendae: could you send a few final candidates to the ML and we can sort it out? | 16:08 |
| andymccr | with your name on it you'll still be fielding questions for many years to come :P | 16:08 |
| palendae | And I think that goes over the line limit ;) | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | palendae: replace with underscores | 16:08 |
| asettle | osai | 16:08 |
| asettle | really | 16:08 |
| asettle | who came up with osai? | 16:08 |
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| * palendae shrugs | 16:08 | |
| palendae | I proposed none of these fwiw | 16:08 |
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| palendae | mhayden: Yes, I will try to get that done this week | 16:08 |
| mhayden | palendae: woot | 16:08 |
| mhayden | #action palendae to email a list of a few final names to the list for discussion/voting | 16:08 |
| mhayden | the other action item was for logan- --> "add ceph_client version bump to development cycle checklist" | 16:09 |
| logan- | o/ | 16:09 |
| logan- | still on todo | 16:09 |
| spotz | sorry was trying to catch up on dev list:) | 16:09 |
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| mhayden | hah okay | 16:11 |
| mhayden | we'll keep it then | 16:11 |
| mhayden | #action logan- to add ceph_client version bump to development cycle checklist | 16:11 |
| mhayden | #topic Ops Guide - asettle | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ops Guide - asettle (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:11 | |
| * mhayden hands the mic to asettle | 16:11 | |
| asettle | Not much! | 16:12 |
| asettle | REviews :) | 16:12 |
| asettle | Content | 16:12 |
| asettle | You konw the drill hoomans | 16:12 |
| asettle | Those who have signed up for content, add it in | 16:12 |
| asettle | We have until May | 16:12 |
| asettle | I think that's all mhayden :) | 16:12 |
| mhayden | asettle: woot! | 16:13 |
| mhayden | next up is naming the python package -- i think we've covered that | 16:13 |
| mhayden | moving along... | 16:13 |
| mhayden | #topic New periodic jobs - odyssey4me | 16:13 |
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| * mhayden hands the mic to odyssey4me | 16:13 | |
| odyssey4me | howdy folks | 16:13 |
| andymccr | excitement inc! | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | so, we have a periodic upgrade test for xenial which runs once a day | 16:14 |
| andymccr | \o/ | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | it's the first of many periodics planned | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like to ask that we try to figure out how we expose the results a little more actively | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | the results are posted here: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/ | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | #link http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/ | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | we only have one right now, but once there are more the folder is the job name | 16:15 |
| mhayden | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-openstack-ansible-upgrade-aio-master-ubuntu-xenial/ | 16:15 |
| mhayden | odyssey4me: can we get a notification via IRC bot perhaps? | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | I was thinking maybe that we could add a dev-docs page which shows where they are | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | mhayden not to my knowledge, but I can ask | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | that's a good idea | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | make me an action maestro | 16:16 |
| mhayden | YARLY | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | I've been bashing in a bunch of fixes to try and make it succeed | 16:16 |
| mhayden | we could hack something up, but it wouldn't be as good most likely | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | ideally I'd like to see it exposed in the OpenStack Health Dashboard | 16:17 |
| mhayden | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | I've asked cloudnull if he can try and make ARA output subunit streams instead of just junit | 16:17 |
| * mhayden hasn't looked at this fancy thing in a while | 16:17 | |
| odyssey4me | not sure if anyone has some time to sinnk into doing that | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | our automated upgrade script is a bit of a shambles, to be honest | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | we need an overhaul | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | any volunteers to work with me to work on a conprehensive improvement? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | *comprehensive | 16:18 |
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| * odyssey4me looks at logan- and jmccrory | 16:19 | |
| jmccrory | sure | 16:19 |
| andymccr | logan-: jmccrory when you are finished fighting over who gets to do it :P | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | :D | 16:19 |
| logan- | lol | 16:19 |
| andymccr | voluntold! | 16:19 |
| mhayden | internet just dropped here | 16:20 |
| mhayden | back now | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | mhayden: we decided that jmccrory would rehaul the upgrade bits | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | ok, logan- and jmccrory I'll setup an etherpad to discuss what we want and break it into pieces | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | you can help | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | lol | 16:20 |
| logan- | ok thanks odyssey4me | 16:20 |
| mhayden | evrardjp: success! | 16:20 |
| andymccr | best ever. | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | no, thank you for volunteering logan- and jmccrory :) | 16:21 |
| * mhayden goes and orders upgrade fixes for pickup at walmart | 16:21 | |
| mhayden | okay, are we good on this topic ? | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | right, but back to the periodics | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | are there any other tests we want to add to the list of periodics? | 16:21 |
| andymccr | odyssey4me: telemetry is the obvious one right now (since we removed it from the integrated build) | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | I was thinking of backporting the upgrade test to Newton->Ocata as well to prevent further bitrot | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | also Ironic | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | PErhaps some sort of scenario that involves Magnum, Sahara | 16:22 |
| andymccr | yeah ironic. smh - i need to try find some time. because this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392959/ is now passing so we should be able to reverse engineer that into our ironic gates | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | ok, once the upgrade test is working I'll troll for ideas in channel | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | I think we're good here. | 16:24 |
| andymccr | boom - and thanks for the work, its awesome to see the upgrade test up and running (and almost passing) | 16:24 |
| logan- | +1 | 16:24 |
| andymccr | speaking of - i will be fixing up our in role upgrade tests and making them voting | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, there are a bunch of tests that should be promoted | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | otherwise patches merge which break them | 16:25 |
| andymccr | yeah basically | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | the ceph AIO job should be made voting IMO | 16:25 |
| andymccr | currently i think neutron/nova are broken the others are mostly working so going to get that set up | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | the xenial one I mean | 16:25 |
| andymccr | yeah happy with that too | 16:25 |
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| andymccr | ok i think we're good to move on mhayden! | 16:26 |
| mhayden | woot | 16:26 |
| mhayden | #topic Release planning and decisions - andymccr | 16:27 |
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| * mhayden hands it to andymccr | 16:27 | |
| andymccr | ahh yeah | 16:27 |
| andymccr | so | 16:27 |
| andymccr | drum roll | 16:27 |
| andymccr | Ocata 15.0.0 was released this week! | 16:27 |
| mhayden | WOOT | 16:28 |
| andymccr | i know, i know. | 16:28 |
| mhayden | #success OpenStack-Ansible 15.0.0 Ocata released this week | 16:28 |
| andymccr | but genuinely, thanks for all the work during the cycle - aside from the rc1 hiccups it really was pretty smooth (and those werent necessarily our messups) | 16:28 |
| andymccr | so onward and upward to Pike! | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | gratz andymccr - it's looking pretty good, we fixed up a lot of upgrade things and should be doing plenty more | 16:28 |
| evrardjp | thanks andymccr | 16:29 |
| andymccr | Newton/Mitaka are being released as usual, so next week will be another released, I'll SHA bump for Ocata but only do a release 15.0.1 2 weeks after (so we can keep them all released at the same cadence) | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | "give back to caesar what belongs to caesar" | 16:29 |
| * mhayden wants a caesar salad | 16:30 | |
| andymccr | ahhaha | 16:30 |
| andymccr | yeah that! | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | give that back! | 16:30 |
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| andymccr | there are a few critical bugs up still, the keystone one and a high one around mysql upgrades - so we still have some bits to do | 16:30 |
| andymccr | that's all i got on releases! | 16:31 |
| asettle | \o/ | 16:31 |
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| andymccr | mhayden: next! | 16:32 |
| mhayden | #topic Blueprints | 16:32 |
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| mhayden | xgerman: want to give us a brief on octavia? | 16:33 |
| xgerman | sure | 16:33 |
| xgerman | Octavia is an operator grade load balancer… and I put together some playbooks to install it | 16:34 |
| xgerman | the main advantage is that it is HA as opposed to the previous one which didn;t have redundancy | 16:34 |
| xgerman | I set it up that if Octavia isinstalled Neutron will make it the default load balancer in the system | 16:35 |
| mhayden | nice -- what do you need from us to finish up the work? | 16:35 |
| xgerman | the missing two patches merged | 16:35 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428979/ | 16:36 |
| xgerman | #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422062/13 | 16:36 |
| xgerman | the lat one has some jenkins problem I don't understand | 16:37 |
| xgerman | Once I have it running on. a multnode cluster I will write up some installation guide | 16:37 |
| mhayden | that will be great -- docs on octavia are a little sparse ;) | 16:37 |
| xgerman | it’s a major push for the Octavia team this cycle | 16:38 |
| asettle | xgerman: feel free to tag me in the review, happy to watch your docs :) | 16:38 |
| asettle | 'watch' sigh | 16:38 |
| asettle | Review them | 16:38 |
| xgerman | thx | 16:38 |
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| xgerman | also I am planning to keep up with the milestone releases | 16:38 |
| mhayden | xgerman: looks like tempest is angry in the gate | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | xgerman getting reviews for those is a bit hard because not many people understand networking well enough to review properly | 16:38 |
| mhayden | http://logs.openstack.org/62/422062/13/check/gate-openstack-ansible-openstack-ansible-aio-ubuntu-xenial/9d149ab/console.html#_2017-03-09_15_13_14_900543 | 16:38 |
| xgerman | yep | 16:38 |
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| xgerman | but I couldn;t see why | 16:38 |
| xgerman | that formatting is crazy | 16:39 |
| mhayden | i can try to build an AIO from that patch later and see what's happening | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | xgerman does it work if you test locally? | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | Binding failed for port 52dd82ba-6e57-45c0-9ae5-bbe3cfe13682, please check neutron logs for more information. | 16:39 |
| xgerman | mmh | 16:40 |
| xgerman | I will run it locally and see if I have more luck | 16:40 |
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| xgerman | also do you need Octavia backported to Ocata? | 16:41 |
| andymccr | xgerman: we wouldn't backport a feature | 16:42 |
| xgerman | ok, that’s what I thought | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | a major feature | 16:42 |
| andymccr | si si :) | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | especially with such a small user/dev base | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | it also is entirely unproven - we need to grow a user base and hopefully pick up more than one maintainer for the role | 16:44 |
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| andymccr | yeah ideally - that'll happen with time though, so its not really a stress | 16:45 |
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| jmccrory | there's interest where i work, i'm pushing to get them to test the patches out there for review now instead of the manual install they've been doing | 16:45 |
| andymccr | jmccrory: sounds awesome | 16:46 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:46 |
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| andymccr | excellent :) | 16:46 |
| xgerman | I also have some interest from other people in the community - once it works it could be quite popular | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | excellent, if we can get more than one org maintaining it then we can encourage its use | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | it can mature a bit and release in pike properly | 16:47 |
| mhayden | woot! | 16:47 |
| andymccr | yeah agreed | 16:47 |
| mhayden | such collaboration, much happy | 16:47 |
| xgerman | yeah, it’s in early… | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | "once it works" doesn't sound motivating | 16:47 |
| mhayden | the glass is half-full, darnit! | 16:47 |
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| xgerman | yeah, my installations work but I haven’t tried with everything merged properly | 16:48 |
| mhayden | in other news, cloudnull and i have been working on the monitoring plugin PoC as part of the monitoring spec | 16:48 |
| andymccr | ahh yeah | 16:48 |
| mhayden | https://github.com/major/monitorstack | 16:48 |
| andymccr | awesome | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | mhayden: glass is always full! | 16:48 |
| mhayden | test coverage is increasing and it's easily buildable in pypi | 16:48 |
| mhayden | i'd like to bring it under the openstack namespace at some point | 16:49 |
| andymccr | mhayden: yeah i like that idea | 16:49 |
| mhayden | i've been talking to mrhillsman about that | 16:49 |
| mhayden | he said the ops folks would be interested | 16:49 |
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| mhayden | would it make sense to have it under openstack-ansible's responsibility for a bit until it finds a forever home? | 16:50 |
| andymccr | mhayden: would end goal to test it using OSA (and perhaps vice-versa?) | 16:50 |
| mhayden | andymccr: yeah | 16:50 |
| andymccr | mhayden: yeah im happy with that | 16:50 |
| andymccr | not sure if there are any objections | 16:50 |
| andymccr | the aim would be to have it be generic | 16:50 |
| andymccr | but we are maintaining it for now, similar to the security role | 16:50 |
| mhayden | i just called it monitorstack because i couldn't find anything big in Google for that | 16:50 |
| andymccr | mhayden: in OpenStack-Ansible we have a rich tradition of inventing smart and fanciful names - i expect you to uphold that tradition | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd just suggest that we don't prefix the repo name with openstack-ansible | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | It'll need to be a more universal name. | 16:52 |
| mhayden | hah | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | Perhaps it should be its own project name, but we curate it initially. | 16:52 |
| mhayden | odyssey4me: current name is 'monitorstack' | 16:52 |
| andymccr | i dont mind either way - if its more work to create a separate project now, then happy to just include it in the openstack-ansible namespace for now | 16:53 |
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| mhayden | okay, we can talk on that one later in the channel | 16:54 |
| mhayden | #topic Open floor | 16:54 |
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| mhayden | anything else? | 16:54 |
| andymccr | all good from my side | 16:54 |
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| odyssey4me | mhayden andymccr I'm suggesting that it just be another repo in our deliverables, but not with our prefix | 16:54 |
| andymccr | ahh that works | 16:55 |
| mhayden | odyssey4me: totally agreed | 16:55 |
| andymccr | agreement has been reached! | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | therefore it can move out of our deliverables at another time without the hassle of renaming the repo | 16:55 |
| mhayden | woot | 16:55 |
| mhayden | okay, i'll close this meeting up | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | it could possibly actually fit under the oslo umbrella, but let's not even try | 16:55 |
| mhayden | thanks everyone! :) | 16:55 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 16:56:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-09-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-09-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-09-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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| LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 17:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| vks1 | hi | 17:01 |
| igordcard | hi pcarver LouisF vks1 | 17:01 |
| LouisF | hi all | 17:01 |
| doonhammer | Hi | 17:01 |
| igordcard | hi doonhammer | 17:01 |
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| vks1 | hi igordcard | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | #topic agenda | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.283.2F9.2F2017.29 | 17:02 |
| LouisF | #topic release compliance | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | CLI in python-neutronclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409759/ | 17:03 |
| LouisF | still in review with comments | 17:03 |
| LouisF | mohan may call in later | 17:03 |
| LouisF | API reference https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389385 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411409/ | 17:04 |
| LouisF | pcarver: thanks for the new patch | 17:04 |
| LouisF | all please review | 17:05 |
| igordcard | pcarver: very very close, just 2 tiny comments to fix | 17:05 |
| pcarver | igordcard: sure, I just need to fit it in between meetings | 17:05 |
| igordcard | or descriptions | 17:06 |
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| LouisF | lets shoot to get this done by eow | 17:06 |
| pcarver | one question though, if mpls is the only valid value, why even have the parameter? | 17:07 |
| pcarver | I thought we allowed None | 17:07 |
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| igordcard | pcarver: to focus only on the future... it will support nsh too | 17:07 |
| pcarver | ok | 17:07 |
| LouisF | in pike? | 17:08 |
| LouisF | will support nsh soon | 17:08 |
| igordcard | LouisF: I'm aiming at Pike yes | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | #topic stable/ocata | 17:09 |
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| LouisF | pulled stable/ocata so master branch work is for pike release | 17:09 |
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| vks1 | sry got disconnecte | 17:09 |
| LouisF | #topic pike work | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike work (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:10 | |
| LouisF | several items: Tap/bitw SF, SFC graph, NSH dataplane, OVN driver | 17:10 |
| LouisF | igordcard: how is sfc graph progressing? | 17:11 |
| igordcard | LouisF: I have temporarily switched to other work but am now getting back to sfc graphs | 17:11 |
| igordcard | I'm aiming at pike-1 for sfc graphs and pike-3 for nsh | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | and if I may, just a heads-up regarding the Pike cycle and networking-sfc: | 17:12 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437699/ | 17:12 |
| igordcard | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 17:12 |
| vks1 | igordcard, thats gud :) | 17:12 |
| LouisF | yes need to keep pike milestones in mind | 17:13 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: what is status of sfc work in OVN? | 17:14 |
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| doonhammer | Going to submit another patch set to ovs/ovn next week - got detoured by some other work issues | 17:15 |
| doonhammer | just need to do some more polish and documentation | 17:16 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: you had a question about the ovn matching? | 17:16 |
| doonhammer | once ovs/ovn approves it we can add the networking-ovn layer | 17:16 |
| LouisF | is the ovn classifier to be used? | 17:16 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: yes | 17:17 |
| doonhammer | I think I have an approach - yes the ovn classifier can be used optionally | 17:17 |
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| LouisF | will that be in the next patch? | 17:18 |
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| igordcard | does using the ovn classifier change the way we use networking-sfc's API in any way? | 17:18 |
| doonhammer | hopefully a complete solution - but I will still need to add test cases - I have standalone tests but not integrated into the ovs/ovn framework - that will be the hardest task for me | 17:19 |
| LouisF | igordcard: should not | 17:19 |
| doonhammer | I do not think so | 17:19 |
| doonhammer | I tried to make sure it did not | 17:19 |
| LouisF | i favor the ovn classifier as is very rich in matching conditions | 17:20 |
| doonhammer | it works well when you have uni-directional flows but can break in bi-direction flows - e.g. matching on port number etc. | 17:20 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: ok | 17:22 |
| LouisF | will look at the patch | 17:22 |
| doonhammer | thanks | 17:23 |
| igordcard | doonhammer: where is the nsfc-side patch? | 17:23 |
| igordcard | doonhammer: or even neutron-side | 17:23 |
| doonhammer | igordcard: not there yet - I have an old version in my git repo https://github.com/doonhammer/networking-ovn | 17:24 |
| doonhammer | but it uses an old version of ovs/ovn patch | 17:25 |
| igordcard | doonhammer: thank you | 17:25 |
| LouisF | #topic insertion-mode | 17:25 |
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| LouisF | from discussion in previous meeting need for tap to a passive SF | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | added tap sfc spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442195 | 17:27 |
| LouisF | this adds an insertion-mode field to port-pair-group-parameters | 17:28 |
| LouisF | if insertion-mode = tap then data-plane will duplicate packet: send one copy to ingress port of SF and other copy to ingress port of next downstream SF | 17:29 |
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| igordcard | hmm now that I think about it.. there should be a default value (different from "tap") | 17:30 |
| LouisF | insertion-mode is applied to all SFs (port-pairs) in ppg | 17:30 |
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| LouisF | vks1: welcome back - discussing sf tap in port-chain | 17:30 |
| LouisF | igordcard: such as? | 17:31 |
| vks1 | LouisF, bad network | 17:31 |
| LouisF | vks1: discussing tap sfc spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442195 | 17:31 |
| igordcard | LouisF: probably "l3" | 17:31 |
| vks1 | LouisF, ok | 17:31 |
| igordcard | LouisF: I'm leaving the same comment there now, and we can continue | 17:32 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: yes that can be default | 17:32 |
| LouisF | vks1: did you add the "vikash" comments? | 17:33 |
| vks1 | LouisF, are we considering possibility of SF to be placed in different network of src and dest ? | 17:33 |
| LouisF | vks1: do mean different subnets? | 17:34 |
| vks1 | LouisF, yeah more suitably different network | 17:35 |
| LouisF | vks1: currently do not support cross-subnet steering | 17:35 |
| igordcard | vks1: I thought you were vikash, are you not? | 17:36 |
| vks1 | LouisF, yeah thats true, but in term of deployment TAPs are placed on different nw than src & dest. we can discuss after we finish what we have now | 17:38 |
| vks1 | igordcard, yeah i am vikash :) | 17:38 |
| Guest21337 | LouisF, how about copying all packets going into a port - ingress traffic ? In such a case LSP in FC will be * (ANY) | 17:38 |
| LouisF | vks1: you had comment on L55 | 17:39 |
| vks1 | LouisF, yeah | 17:39 |
| LouisF | vks1: do you mean that Port Chains can be made of TAP-insertion-mode PPGs only? | 17:40 |
| vks1 | LouisF, i guess igordcard also felt the same | 17:40 |
| LouisF | right - the answer is yes | 17:40 |
| vks1 | LouisF, then thats fine | 17:41 |
| LouisF | vks1: ok i will add text to clarify | 17:41 |
| vks1 | LouisF, thats fine | 17:42 |
| vks1 | LouisF, i thought we could have extended the scope of BP | 17:42 |
| vks1 | igordcard, what do u say ? | 17:42 |
| igordcard | vks1: what is the scope in that context? | 17:42 |
| LouisF | vks1: i would like to bound the scope of this bp | 17:43 |
| LouisF | and not mix functionality | 17:43 |
| vks1 | LouisF, i was feeling so :) | 17:43 |
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| LouisF | vks1: what other functionality are you considering? | 17:44 |
| vks1 | igordcard, to address other insertion mode also like L2 | 17:44 |
| vks1 | LouisF, and keep open the scope for hetrogenous chain | 17:44 |
| LouisF | vks1: ok we can create a separate bp to address that | 17:44 |
| vks1 | LouisF, OK that would be fine | 17:44 |
| LouisF | vks1: we can add another bp to address l2 insertion-mode | 17:45 |
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| vks1 | igordcard, do you see any further addition in existing BP ? | 17:46 |
| igordcard | vks1: right it's the same scope I had in mind... but I realized it's better to go type by type, better-sized blocks of effort | 17:46 |
| LouisF | vks1: regarding l2 insertion-mode: what is the behavior of the l2 SF? | 17:46 |
| vks1 | igordcard, it would act as forwarder | 17:47 |
| igordcard | the L2 insertion mode would also be a great addition, you could easily spin a VM with promiscuous interfaces and OVS inside | 17:47 |
| vks1 | cand can be dropped transparently anywhere in network | 17:47 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: agree - make review and merging easier | 17:47 |
| vks1 | igordcard, yeah :) | 17:47 |
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| vks1 | LouisF, can we start on TAP ? | 17:48 |
| vks1 | igordcard, LouisF we will keep talking on this L2 mode also | 17:48 |
| vks1 | igordcard, as i also feel going type by type would be fine | 17:49 |
| LouisF | vks1: agree let get tap work started and discuss l2 work | 17:49 |
| igordcard | vks1 LouisF, I'd say file LP rfe again? | 17:49 |
| LouisF | igordcard: that is fine | 17:50 |
| vks1 | vks1, yeah that should be fine | 17:50 |
| vks1 | igordcard, sorry i missed *LP ?? | 17:50 |
| igordcard | vks1: sorry LaunchPad | 17:51 |
| igordcard | vks1: Launcha | 17:51 |
| igordcard | Launchpad* | 17:51 |
| vks1 | igordcard, ok | 17:51 |
| LouisF | ok i will update the patch | 17:51 |
| LouisF | #topic other items | 17:52 |
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| vks1 | igordcard, do you want any change in existing RFE except our comments getting addressed ?? | 17:52 |
| igordcard | vks1: nope, it looks pretty good to me besides the comments | 17:53 |
| vks1 | igordcard, :) | 17:53 |
| igordcard | vks1: maybe only clarify that the spec is both about 1) bringing insertion types and 2) supporting the "tap" insertion type and maybe the 3) default insertion type | 17:54 |
| vks1 | igordcard, yeah i agree | 17:54 |
| LouisF | igordcard: will add that | 17:54 |
| igordcard | then the next spec will solely be about supporting the "l2" insertion type | 17:54 |
| LouisF | igordcard: yes | 17:54 |
| vks1 | igordcard, yeah | 17:54 |
| LouisF | thanks all on the ocata work | 17:55 |
| igordcard | #link https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/networking-sfc/ocata.html | 17:56 |
| LouisF | igordcard: thanks | 17:56 |
| vks1 | igordcard, are we doing backporting or not ? | 17:56 |
| vks1 | at least bugs ? | 17:57 |
| vks1 | sry bugfixes ? | 17:57 |
| igordcard | vks1: those bugfixes are almost like small features so I don't expect so.. LouisF? | 17:57 |
| LouisF | not unless that are critical | 17:58 |
| vks1 | ok | 17:58 |
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| LouisF | bye all | 17:59 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 17:59:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| igordcard | bye all | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-03-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-03-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-03-09-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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