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| notifatafek | Today Ifat won't be present, due to a well deserved family vacation, so we will have to do without her. | 08:10 |
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| notifatafek | #meeting vitrage | 08:10 |
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| notifatafek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 22 08:12:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notifatafek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:12 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:12 |
| notifatafek | Today Ifat won't be present, due to a well deserved family vacation, so we will have to do without her | 08:12 |
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| notifatafek | Hi everyone | 08:13 |
| eyalb | \o | 08:13 |
| notifatafek | Today's agenda : | 08:14 |
| notifatafek | * Status and updates | 08:14 |
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| nadav | hi | 08:14 |
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| elisha_r | hi. sorry I'm late | 08:14 |
| notifatafek | Hi Nadav. | 08:14 |
| notifatafek | Hi Elisha | 08:14 |
| notifatafek | So, I'll start an update from danoffek | 08:16 |
| notifatafek | Vitrage ID development is almost done. He's fixing remaining tests and woking on last use cases. Afterwards he will push for first review. Hopefully by the end of the week. | 08:17 |
| notifatafek | That's it. Any other updates ? | 08:17 |
| notifatafek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:18 |
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| elisha_r | so I'll update for anna | 08:19 |
| elisha_r | Anna is working on adding another notifier in Vitrage, that will generate SNMPv2 Traps | 08:20 |
| elisha_r | for deduced alarms that Vitrage generates | 08:20 |
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| elisha_r | Basically, for each alarm that is raised and for each that is disabled, a relevant trap will be generated. | 08:20 |
| elisha_r | Since SNMP OIDs are specific to the system you use and the MIBs you have, the configuration of these traps is up to the user | 08:21 |
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| elisha_r | There will be documentation pushed as part of the feature that details how this can be configured | 08:21 |
| elisha_r | and all this should be done by the next IRC meeting, if all goes as planned | 08:21 |
| elisha_r | that's it for me | 08:22 |
| elisha_r | (well, actually, for anna :) ) | 08:22 |
| notifatafek | Is it @elisha_r is it going to be manual OID configuration ? Is it going to be something generic ? | 08:22 |
| notifatafek | If I was Ifat, I'd say "great work Anna !" | 08:22 |
| elisha_r | the OID structure will be defined in a YAML file which defines the OID structure, both for the trap ID and for the content of the trap. Each user will have to add their own list of specific OIDs for the different alarms they raise using vitrage templates | 08:24 |
| notifatafek | @elisha_r can it be defined in the Scenarios / actions Template definition when configuring the alarm action itself? | 08:25 |
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| elisha_r | not at the moment. though that is an interesting idea which we could consider as a next phase. The main reason why we would not do this is that it means that the OIDs for all they alarms are spread throughout multiple vitrage templates instead of being in a centralized location. This distribution will make it more likely to have mistakes, OID overlap etc | 08:27 |
| elisha_r | Also it will cause duplication of information, and changing the OID of an alarm will require surveying all the vitrage templates | 08:28 |
| elisha_r | so for now we're going for a central location | 08:28 |
| notifatafek | @eilsha_r Understood. Thanks for the update, | 08:28 |
| elisha_r | sure. anything for you, notifatafek | 08:28 |
| notifatafek | So, if there are no other update, I think we can close this meeting for today, | 08:29 |
| elisha_r | yup | 08:29 |
| notifatafek | Thanks everybody, continue to contribute to make Vitrage better. | 08:29 |
| elisha_r | bye | 08:30 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:30 |
| nadav | bye | 08:30 |
| notifatafek | Bye | 08:30 |
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| notifatafek | #endmeeting | 08:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 08:30:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-22-08.12.html | 08:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-22-08.12.txt | 08:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-22-08.12.log.html | 08:30 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 22 15:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:00 |
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| serverascode | hello do we have anyone online for the telecom/nfv meeting? :) | 15:00 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:00 |
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| serverascode | hi shintaro :) | 15:01 |
| shintaro | hi serverascode | 15:01 |
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| serverascode | we'll give it a couple of minutes to see if anyone else shows up | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| serverascode | hi ad_rien_ | 15:02 |
| shintaro | ok | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi Guys | 15:02 |
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| shintaro | hi | 15:02 |
| serverascode | one more minute | 15:03 |
| serverascode | if you have anything you want ot discuss, put it on the agenda :) | 15:03 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| serverascode | ok well let's get going | 15:04 |
| serverascode | #topic Generic NFV Platform document | 15:04 |
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| serverascode | I have been adding bits and pieces and will just continue to do that this week, I have some time | 15:04 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/generic-nfv-platform | 15:04 |
| serverascode | feel free to have a look at the table of contents and just add things that you think are important | 15:05 |
| shintaro | looks great | 15:05 |
| serverascode | I'm just going to keep typing and then come back and edit later | 15:05 |
| shintaro | where should I start if I want to add stuff | 15:05 |
| shintaro | table of contents? | 15:05 |
| serverascode | add it to the table of contents, then if you want to write more, add it into the same area below | 15:06 |
| serverascode | eventually we will import it into the openstack git/gerrit system, once we have a first draft | 15:06 |
| serverascode | I'm trying to keep the format like the restructured text that most openstack projects use | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe if we want to progress we should try to identify milestones. | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | (i.e. at least for me I need small but concrete tasks to move forward) | 15:07 |
| serverascode | probably a good idea :) | 15:07 |
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| serverascode | I was just thinking a "first draft" but that is a big milestone | 15:07 |
| serverascode | any thoughts on what we could set as milestones? | 15:07 |
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| shintaro | agree on the use-case? | 15:08 |
| serverascode | yeah that is a big one | 15:08 |
| shintaro | so we can have the same baseline | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | Ok I put a "milestones" sectoin in the document and added your use case suggestion | 15:09 |
| shintaro | like NFV as in ETSI NFV (vECP, vCPE), or as in datacetner NFV (i.e. FW, LB, VPN) | 15:09 |
| serverascode | I think more like ETSI NFV | 15:10 |
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| shintaro | ok that makes me more clear on the scope | 15:11 |
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| serverascode | the problem is that some of those use cases are pretty complicated | 15:11 |
| serverascode | I would like to pick a very simple use case if possible | 15:12 |
| shintaro | yes and focus on the OpenStack side | 15:12 |
| serverascode | exactly | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | So which one? | 15:13 |
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| serverascode | I'm really not sure | 15:13 |
| serverascode | :) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm not familiar with NFV use-cases (I'm just discussing wit Orange about CloudRAN use-cases) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | But indeed, it would be nice to have one use-case that can drive our studies. | 15:14 |
| serverascode | something scale out | 15:14 |
| serverascode | one example we had at work was a scale out ip address manager maybe | 15:14 |
| serverascode | like infoblox kind of thing | 15:14 |
| serverascode | scale up and down with demand | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | should you consider locations of the VM/container ? | 15:15 |
| serverascode | I would imagine so if there is more than one "cloud" | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | I think we should find a use-case where location (i.e. to address latency considerations for instance) is important | 15:15 |
| serverascode | but that is also part of the problem b/c I don't necessarily want to get into multi-site/cloud etc in this first draft | 15:15 |
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| serverascode | maybe I am trying to oversimplify | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | if you have only one central cloud, it looks rather simple, doesn't it? | 15:17 |
| serverascode | yeah | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | I.e. I do not see why OpenStack as it is now will not be able to satisfy all requirements | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | i.E. Starting a VM in a central cloud for performing any kind of workloads is something that is rather easy right now ;) | 15:17 |
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| serverascode | do you mean that is a good place to start for this document, or that it is too simple? | 15:18 |
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| ad_rien_ | I think it is too simple | 15:18 |
| serverascode | ok | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. what kind of obstacles can prevent such a use-case ? | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry Let me reword, I do not see what is complex in such a ''simple'' use-case | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | where you have to start one VM to virtualize network functionalities | 15:19 |
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| serverascode | perhaps the only additional thing I was thinking was automated scale-up/down with heat | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe I miss one point (because I'm not familiar) but it looks like there is no challenge | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | so something that is rather well done now | 15:20 |
| serverascode | I think part of the problem is that even that is quite challenging for a lot of people | 15:20 |
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| serverascode | all the functionality is there, but lots of times organizations get stuck trying to do too much | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | it is a retroaction loop (i.e a MAPE-K loop). | 15:20 |
| serverascode | and ultimately fail with OpenStack and NFV | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok maybe I miss something | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | you have an application you will monitor your application and scale in/out according to your requirements? | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | HEAT can help you to do that, cannot it ? | 15:21 |
| serverascode | right, yup it can | 15:21 |
| shintaro | so there are large deployment team and muti-cloud team already, maybe we should focus on something different | 15:21 |
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| serverascode | or perhaps tie them together | 15:22 |
| serverascode | I was thinking this group could do a lot in terms of bringing everyone together | 15:22 |
| shintaro | that is one good point | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | So you believe there are still challenges to address with a cloud that is deployed in only one location? | 15:22 |
| serverascode | ad_rien_ I do, I see it at work with single NFV style clouds | 15:22 |
| serverascode | people have tons of issues even doing that | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | such as? | 15:23 |
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| shintaro | NFV apps requre more SLA and performance on the infra than cloud apps | 15:23 |
| serverascode | such as thinking openstack is vmware with instance HA | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | (apart from being trained to OpenStack) | 15:23 |
| serverascode | and getting paralyzed with requirements | 15:23 |
| serverascode | not understanding what Neutron is | 15:23 |
| shintaro | which is not a cloud-like approach | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok sorry | 15:23 |
| serverascode | and also trying to implement SDN and failing :) | 15:24 |
| serverascode | lots of those more organizational issues | 15:24 |
| serverascode | less technical | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | yes but is it due technical/scientific barriers ? | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | yes exactly what I mean | 15:24 |
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| serverascode | right | 15:24 |
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| serverascode | people and culture issues, lots of misunderstandings about OpenStack and scale-out workloads/elastic | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | I can be wrong (i.e. in the sense that this group can support people by providing guidelines, …. to run NFV applications in a central cloud) | 15:25 |
| serverascode | maybe what Iwill do is go through some of the existing NFV use cases the working groups have put forward and list them in the odcument and we can try to pick one | 15:25 |
| serverascode | at the next meeting | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | but from my side (i.e. Inria) we are interested to identify the barriers/obstacles that prevent OpenStack to be the prevalent solution for operating a geo-distributed cloud. | 15:25 |
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| serverascode | right and that is certainly not a solved problem, lots of work to do there | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | such a geo-distributed cloud is mandatory for several use-cases, including some NFV ones. | 15:26 |
| shintaro | agree | 15:26 |
| serverascode | ok, let me take an action to review some existing use cases and we can discuss again next meeting | 15:27 |
| serverascode | sound good? | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | for me | 15:27 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:27 |
| serverascode | #action serverascode review existing use cases and list in document for discussion next meeting | 15:27 |
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| serverascode | #topic Open Discussion | 15:27 |
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| serverascode | do either of you have another topic you'd like to discuss? | 15:28 |
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| shintaro | anything to bring up for the OpsMeetup? if there are people in the sessin | 15:28 |
| * ad_rien_ is looking for a link | 15:28 | |
| shintaro | session | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:29 |
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| serverascode | I don't have anything right now | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | one short info from my side: the Meghdwar WG has been stopped :https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meghdwar | 15:29 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | they will join the Massively Distributed WG effort. | 15:29 |
| serverascode | ad_rien_ there is a operators meetup in Milan | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | please go ahead (I just wanted to share the information regarding Meghdwar) | 15:30 |
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| shintaro | is this like fog-computing? | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | they tried to propose a reference architecture for fog computing yes | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | but they did find enough contributors If I correctly understood | 15:31 |
| serverascode | ok, I don't think I'd heard of that project before | 15:32 |
| shintaro | me neither :) | 15:32 |
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| shintaro | and don't even know how to pronounce it | 15:32 |
| serverascode | but it's good they went through the effort to try, and then officially closed | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | Actually, several actions try to address the same challenge but with a different name… | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | I spent many hours to try to identify all of them but it seems to be a problem that will never end | 15:33 |
| serverascode | like too many projects doing the same thing? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | It is hard to federate all efforts and ever harder to prevent reinventing the wheel each time | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | s/ever/even | 15:34 |
| serverascode | ok, any other stuff to mention? | 15:35 |
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| serverascode | if not I guess we can close off the meeting early | 15:35 |
| shintaro | not from me | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | From the massively distributed WG we are starting to perform WANwide evaluations of OpenSTack | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | any value, order of magnitude in terms of latency/BW for NFV use-cases would be highly appreciated | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 15:36 |
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| serverascode | so what does WANwide mean? like connecting two openstack cloud networks? like evpn and such? | 15:36 |
| shintaro | sounds interesting | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | no | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | like a single OpenStack instance that operates remote compute nodes. | 15:36 |
| serverascode | ah ok | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | (basis scenarios) | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | then we will investigate more complex scenarios such as multi-regions | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | and finally we hope to be able to investigate Cell V2 scenarios | 15:37 |
| shintaro | RabbitMQ in each AZ? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | we want to identify technical/scientific barriers that will lead to revise Openstack internals | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | shintaro: this is indeed one question ;) | 15:38 |
| serverascode | cool, are there some central documents you could link to? | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | for the moment we are investigating RabbitMQ but folks from redhat are pushing QPiD | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | and we should also evaluate ZeroMQ | 15:38 |
| serverascode | ah RedHat :) | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | http://enos.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | http://enos.readthedocs.io/en/latest/network-emulation/index.html | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | for further information please refer to the massively distributed WG etherpad | 15:39 |
| serverascode | ok | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 Massively Distributed WG etherpad | 15:39 |
| shintaro | we upstreamed AZ for Neutron for similar usecase | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | that's all from my side thanks. | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | shintaro: ? | 15:40 |
| shintaro | Neutron resources did not have AZ concept so when you want to use distributed routers, you can not specify AZ | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | that looks interesting. | 15:41 |
| serverascode | ok well thank you both very much for attending the meeting :) | 15:41 |
| serverascode | we will chat in a couple of weeks | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks for chairing | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:41 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | ++ | 15:41 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 15:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 15:41:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-02-22-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-02-22-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-02-22-15.00.log.html | 15:42 |
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