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| kavithahr | can anyone explain me about kosmos | 07:57 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 08:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 08:00 |
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| idan_hefetz | Hi! | 08:01 |
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| alexey_weyl | Shalom :) | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | •Ocata Release | 08:03 |
| yujunz | Hi, I have two meetings at the same time slot. Ping me if any input required from me | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | •Status and Updates | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | yujunz: no problem | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | last in the agenda: | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | •Pike Design sessions | 08:03 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Ocata Release | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Release (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:04 | |
| ifat_afek | Last week I tagged vitrage modules: | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | vitrage 1.5.0 | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | python-vitrageclient 1.1.1 | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | vitrage-dashboard 1.1.1 | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | These are our current release candidates. Please don’t push anything to stable/ocata, unless it is an important bug fix. You can use the master branch for Pike development. | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | The final release date is at the end of next week, by March 16th. The full Ocata schedule can be found here: | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | Any questions/comments? | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:06 | |
| ifat_afek | Boston CFP is closed. The following etherpad contains the Vitrage proposals: | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-boston-session-proposals | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | Good luck to us all | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | My updates: I wrote two use cases for Doctor manual, trying to push them to their gerrit | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Next I’ll update the test script so it will check Vitrage in addition to Congress. And then I’ll have to check it in a Newton devstack with Ocata Vitrage. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | (Trying to do both things in parallel…) | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Who else wants to update? | 08:07 |
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| eyalb | \o | 08:08 |
| eyalb | I will update | 08:09 |
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| eyalb | vitrage was merged to the RDO project | 08:09 |
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| eyalb | so now we have rpms | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | :) | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | great news! | 08:09 |
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| eyalb | still need to resolve some issues regarding the dashboard in order for it be added to RDO also | 08:10 |
| yujunz | RDO is short for ? | 08:10 |
| eyalb | I am now working on the puppet module so it can be run in RDO also | 08:10 |
| eyalb | acceptance test were added to the puppet-vitrage module | 08:11 |
| eyalb | #link https://www.rdoproject.org/ | 08:11 |
| eyalb | a repository for artifacts of openstack | 08:12 |
| yujunz | Got it | 08:12 |
| eyalb | there are still issues with the puppet-openstack-integration | 08:13 |
| eyalb | which is another project to run tempest tests | 08:13 |
| eyalb | once this is done | 08:13 |
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| eyalb | I will add the puppet also to RDO so tempest tests will run after an rpm creation | 08:14 |
| eyalb | thats all | 08:14 |
| yujunz | OK, my short update. | 08:14 |
| yujunz | Preparing the trip to design session in Israel. | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | :-) | 08:15 |
| eyalb | RDO is the RPM Distribution of OpenStack | 08:15 |
| yujunz | I should fly to Tel Aviv right? | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | We have only one international airport in Israel ;-) Ben-Gurion | 08:16 |
| yujunz | OK, I guess I need some information on how to get to the hotel. To be folloowed up in email | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | Sure, let’s discuss it in emails | 08:17 |
| yujunz | Meanwhile, I'm reviewing Weiya's proposal on alarm deduction | 08:17 |
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| yujunz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423000 | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | Yes, you asked us to discuss it in IRC | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | And I thought I’d better ask everyone to read it and think about it in advance, but forgot to do that | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | Because it’s a complicated issue | 08:18 |
| yujunz | Weiya is not available today and I think we may need a pre-discussion in a small group before the design session | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | Sure, so let’s try to do it next week. Do you want to discuss via IRC or in another way? | 08:19 |
| yujunz | Do you think it possible to arrange a conference call for it? ifat_afek | 08:19 |
| yujunz | I think we may need a conference call | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | Sure. BTW, why is it important to discuss before the design session? | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | I just expect a long discussion here | 08:19 |
| yujunz | Yes, just because it is long, I think discussion in a small group will be more efficient. | 08:20 |
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| yujunz | And we can share a more mature proposal on the design session | 08:21 |
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| yujunz | To get something clarified before Weiya goes detail in the design | 08:21 |
| yujunz | To ensure we are going in the right direction | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | Ok. What is your availability next week? | 08:22 |
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| yujunz | I'll discuss with Weiya and reply to you in Email. Is that oK? | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | Ok | 08:22 |
| yujunz | Thanks. | 08:22 |
| yujunz | That's all from my side | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | Thanks | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:23 |
| danoffek | My update is that I'm still working on vitrage ID. | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, thanks | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else? | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | Moving to the next topic, which we actually started discussing | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Pike Design Sessions | 08:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike Design Sessions (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:25 | |
| ifat_afek | We will hold Pike Design Sessions in Israel, on March 6th-9th | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | You are all invited to participate and to suggest topics for the discussions. The sessions will be mostly in the mornings, so ZTE colleagues from China can participate remotely. | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | The design session etherpad: | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-pike-design-sessions | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | Feel free to edit the agenda and suggest new topics for discussion. | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | Any other issue to you would like to discuss? | 08:26 |
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| yujunz | You mean the design session? | 08:27 |
| ifat_afek | Or anything else | 08:28 |
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| yujunz | Though aodh team is not joining, I think it worth discussion on the generic alarm proposal | 08:28 |
| yujunz | It seems no conclusion yet, is it? | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | I think the conclusion is, at least my conclusion is, that Aodh do not see themselves as an alarm manager, and are not interested in the generic alarm feature | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | But we can discuss it, why not | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | We can think of alternative solutions for an Aodh-Vitrage integration. Since this is a non-trivial topic, I agree that it is worth a discussio | 08:30 |
| yujunz | Agree | 08:30 |
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| yujunz | There is requirement of alarm management from vitrage and aodh may offer only part of it. So we need to fill the gaps in some way. That is my understanding of this topic. | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | Makes sense | 08:32 |
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| ifat_afek | Ok, anything else? | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | Goodbye then | 08:35 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:35 |
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| danoffek | By Guys, Ifat, stay happy | 08:36 |
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| ifat_afek | danoffek: always :-) :-) | 08:36 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 08:36:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-08-08.00.html | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-08-08.00.txt | 08:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-08-08.00.log.html | 08:36 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 13:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | cdent: gmann let us wait johnthetubaguy and sdague if they are around | 13:01 |
| * johnthetubaguy waves | 13:01 | |
| alex_xu | let us start the meeting | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | #topic Pike ideas | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike ideas (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:02 | |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-api-pike | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | ^ I created an etherpad to collect the idea for Pike | 13:03 |
| gmann | nice, thanks | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | did we want to discussion the policy ideas, I am curious what folks think | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | Matt helps to input some items | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | also big thank you to alex_xu for reviewing that | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: np | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | sure, we can discuss the policy ideas | 13:04 |
| gmann | yea | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so operator feedback first | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | most folks struggle editing policy right now | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | many of them are forced into re-writing all rules because the want more RBAC levels than we have in the default policy file | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | my thinking is we define a rough end goal for where we want to be, and get that reviewed by operators | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | then we go through each rule, one by one, and make it match the plan | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ...so to the "plan" I have suggested | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | 'reviewed by operators' means sending email to operator ML? | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically we add more roles, like observer roles, roles for neutron and cinder, operator rules, etc | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: hopefully means talking to them at an ops meetup, at a minimum | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: but thats part of it | 13:06 |
| gmann | i see but there might be lot of roles depends on each operator | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I really want something we agree on first | 13:07 |
| gmann | or we add common one | 13:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so there are two things here | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | the name of the role, and the common patterns | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we can cover 80% of deployments with the default, thats great | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | folks will just need to say what the role name is in their keystone, and we take care of the rest, for the 80% | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the 20% we need to add doc strings on each of the rules, so they know what they control | 13:08 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, my idea is stop most folks having to change much of the policy file | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | whether the name of role need to get more widly agreement, so other project can use the same name | 13:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but also give folks who need to change everything (or audit it) a bit of a helping hand (i.e. no need to read code to work out what each rule means) | 13:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: we actually we need it to be project specific, like nova_operator etc, but yes common patterns are good | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am talking to keystone folks a bit about this, they have started a policy meeting | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | they have a proposal for some roles we could create | 13:10 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: can you be more specific on folks that are changing policy so much? | 13:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think they want observer roles, and operator roles that are not admin everywhere | 13:10 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, I honestly thought we had 5 roles decided on back in tokyo | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I am hoping we can get access to some specific ones | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, its basically those | 13:10 |
| sdague | ok, what stands between those hallway conversations and just doing it? | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | upgrade story, the spec I wrote out tried to cover that | 13:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think I have the OSIC folks who are willing to do the work to implement it | 13:12 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, so... every time I brought this up at ops meetups, people mostly didn't change much in policy | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | kinda a follow on from config work that was related | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | ++OSIC folks | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I was told they tried, it failed, and so gave up | 13:12 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I guess I need to understand the spec more | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | at the manchester meetup | 13:13 |
| sdague | maybe the issue is the following, today, we do policy as "policy_point: can be done by this complicated formula of things" | 13:13 |
| sdague | vs the way people would think about things: | 13:13 |
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| sdague | giant list of policy points... | 13:13 |
| sdague | observer_can: p1, p2, p4, p8 | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats a good point, this is still reversed in my spec | 13:15 |
| sdague | and... it almost seems like you could add role stanzas like that as an overlay to the existing content | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | p1: observer and admin can, etc | 13:15 |
| sdague | so that the current stuff is just the current stuff | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, it should be equivalent | 13:15 |
| sdague | and the new stuff is new stanzas | 13:15 |
| sdague | which... makes the upgrade a lot more viable for users, right? | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe... need more visualization on it | 13:16 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was also talking about renaming the rules (via deprecation aids) to better match the REST API rather than the code | 13:17 |
| sdague | yeh, which I'm all for | 13:17 |
| sdague | but if there is a different upgrade issue, we should probably address that | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe the staging is (1) fix names and docs, (2) look at making what each role does more visible (3) think about adding extra roles | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was mostly the "we need to evolve like config" upgrade issue that I was referring too | 13:18 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok cool | 13:18 |
| sdague | sorry, rewrapping my head on the whole thing | 13:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: totally, been going through that a bit myself | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, we really have made a lot of progress at this point | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | no policy file needed by default, defaults in the code, reduced the number of rules by half | 13:20 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are in a much better place to move forward now, which is kinda awesome | 13:20 |
| sdague | there is still a docs gap though, right? | 13:20 |
| sdague | pretty much the policy rules only make sense if you go and read the code | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, and a naming to avoid the docs having to say everything | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:20 |
| sdague | well, the docs should be there anyway | 13:21 |
| sdague | names are never as obvious as you think :) | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I tried it, its hard | 13:21 |
| gmann | doc for rules will be as description right ? so that it can be seen from sample file like config one | 13:21 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | my current leaning is towards compute:servers:action:live-migration | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann: turns out we have two doc strings in our sample file already | 13:22 |
| gmann | yea :) | 13:22 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: do we have anything published web side? | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/sample_policy.html | 13:22 |
| sdague | um... I wouldn't call that docs :) | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean two of them have strings | 13:23 |
| sdague | What I really expect is: | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its totally not docs | 13:23 |
| sdague | - os_compute_api:os-aggregates:set_metadata | 13:23 |
| sdague | this allows the roles in question to set metadata on aggregates. | 13:24 |
| gmann | how about embeding policy rule inside api-ref for corresponding APIs | 13:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I was meaning the rule near os_compute_api:os-attach-interfaces:create has added some docs already | 13:24 |
| sdague | default_permissions: admin role only | 13:24 |
| sdague | ok | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann: thats mixing operator and API user though | 13:24 |
| sdague | it's not api-ref for sure | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we need to render the default better, like the config stuff | 13:25 |
| gmann | ah yea | 13:25 |
| sdague | but it should end up with/near the config guide | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we all seem agreed with the same as config, you shouldn't need to read the code to understand it | 13:25 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:25 |
| gmann | yes | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we go and add docs, I am tempted to consider a rename, but maybe that is premature? | 13:26 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: honestly, we can document things first, that would be of immediate help to people | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats fair | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was wanting to avoid visiting all the rules twice | 13:26 |
| sdague | I'd rather get us in the habbit of writing down what is instead of assuming we can make a change that means we don't need docs | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we have less rules now | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, we totally need the docs, even with the most perfect of names | 13:27 |
| sdague | do we have other topics? I don't want to take over the whole meeting with this | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think we should review the other ideas | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | other items in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-api-pike | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, before we leave... | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can add a spec for adding in the docs | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so folks stop needing to read the code | 13:28 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: that would be cool, I would be up for helping get that all sorted | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: cool, thanks | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the next step might be making the rules mean something (actually adding targets) | 13:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | like admin_or_owner is largely a no op today | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | because of the deafault rule target | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are safe due to the hardcoded DB checks | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels like we should add in the targets, then consider removing the hard coded things once we are happy with our unit tests | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats a separate discussion | 13:30 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I thought the hardcoded db checks were mostly gone | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: they are gone for is_admin, they are everywhere for membership in the project | 13:30 |
| sdague | oh, you mean owner | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, yeah, owner | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is not checked in the policy later, even though the rule says its checking | 13:31 |
| sdague | right | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | we just check context.project_id == context.project_id right now, which is amuzing | 13:31 |
| sdague | heh | 13:32 |
| sdague | yeh, well the project scoping like that goes back years | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | although there is a separate discussion about that being a good idea, as it keeps policy from making the API interoperable | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we totally said we should move on lol, we should do that... | 13:32 |
| sdague | :) | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out that was a conversation stopper | 13:33 |
| sdague | what are team members excited about for the next cycle? | 13:33 |
| sdague | what would they most like to solve | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386555/ on capabilities would be awesome | 13:34 |
| gmann | yea that is nice to do | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | query param schema excites my less, but would be nice | 13:34 |
| sdague | do we feel like capabilities can come to a resolution on design for the PTG? | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | query param schema is just a refactor, so it can be background work for new people | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | so +1 for capabilities | 13:35 |
| gmann | and cleanup extension things as sdague started, make code more easy | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: so turns out we didn't have many people from keystone or API-wg in the summit session, if we can fix that, maybe? | 13:36 |
| sdague | I guess the concern I have about capabilities... it relies a lot on link following | 13:36 |
| sdague | do we know of any sdk tooling that's regularlly doing that? | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a proposal to remove the link following, for the global scope and per type scope | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | that might be a good idea | 13:37 |
| sdague | spending some time poking on some other APIs recently, they tend not to expose anything on their API until the SDK also implements it | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I keep thinking about to horizon and enabling buttons in the GUI | 13:37 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, but they aren't writing their own client | 13:37 |
| sdague | so... I'm fine exposing capabilities | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | like ironic and libvirt based servers, choose which turn on | 13:38 |
| sdague | I think it's hugely needed | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: they do, I was more thinking efficient calling patterns down that thought path | 13:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | link follwing is expensive | 13:38 |
| sdague | I mostly get concerned that it is useful only if we have sdk drops with the functions | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats true, would this be adaptive help in the SDK? | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I am struggling on the consuming part, if I don't think about horizon | 13:39 |
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| sdague | yeh, I don't know. | 13:40 |
| cdent | who were the original people or group that said "we need capabilities"? | 13:40 |
| sdague | cdent: definitely people making guis | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ironic snapshots always fail, why not hide the button, etc | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | the other side was live-resize | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | we expect folks to turn that off, and want that to be discoverable when talking to multiple clouds | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats a little bit of a vanity use case, in some ways | 13:42 |
| cdent | in the stuff I've read, that particular use case is not made as clear as it potentially could be. Instead we end up with discussions on how to make capabilities as (uh) capable as possible | 13:42 |
| sdague | I know that mordred ended up basically writing crazy autoconf like stuff where he tries a bunch of things in shade because there is no way to figure out that he can't do a thing in advance | 13:42 |
| sdague | and doesn't want to fail deep in complicated logic | 13:42 |
| sdague | this is mostly about OpenStack clouds could do A | 13:43 |
| sdague | but some clouds turn off B, C, D for performance, security, hypervisor support reasons | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, the how do I get an external IP on my server question | 13:43 |
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| sdague | cdent: so perhaps the issue is framing the use case a bit better | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe shade is the SDK use case | 13:44 |
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| sdague | the way I imagined this was more along the fact that | 13:45 |
| cdent | as a user I'd prefer to ask a "capabilities service" for that information, not go grubbing around in all the projects at several urls. perhaps a service could register it's capabilities at startup or regularly (not deployment) | 13:45 |
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| sdague | cdent: yeh | 13:46 |
| sdague | cdent: that works for top level constructs for sure. It doesn't solve the "this cloud has baremetal and libvirt computes" | 13:47 |
| sdague | and this compute you have can't be live migrated | 13:47 |
| cdent | I think anything that can be started as "this cloud..." ought to be able to be "registered" | 13:47 |
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| sdague | cdent: sure | 13:48 |
| cdent | and I think anything that says "this <entity, like this compute>" should be in the representation of that entity itself | 13:48 |
| sdague | cdent: yep, no disagreement there | 13:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | would aggregated centrally work better, i.e. exposed in each service, but also aggregated (via checking everything in the service catalog, etc), or does that mean we do the work twice? | 13:48 |
| sdague | ok... so where does that leave us, because this seems circular | 13:48 |
| sdague | which probably means the thing being carved off is too big | 13:49 |
| sdague | and maybe it can be started as something smaller | 13:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe per endpoint global, and per endpoint type only? | 13:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | leave the aggregation / central piece for later? | 13:50 |
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| sdague | or, find a specific problem, like a chunk of code in shade or horizon we'd like to go away, and work backwards on solution to that | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | stop the per resource capabilitiy thing at first, just go for the shade and horizon use cases first | 13:50 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so horizon just shows all buttons based on VM state, and shade just hard codes | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it would be improving both of those to some degree I guess | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe just do the horizon one to start with? | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | ironic and VM mixed cloud | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | get the buttons right | 13:52 |
| * alex_xu reminds 8 mins left | 13:52 | |
| johnthetubaguy | (for user operations) | 13:52 |
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| sdague | cdent: from an api-wg perspective, how would you like to / expect to constrain scope so we can get feedback and iterate on something real? | 13:52 |
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| cdent | sdague: that's an excellent question. I don't really have a good answer. I agree with you that the current scope is too large, and have said as much on the ongoing review of the capabilities spec. In the context of the api-wg what matters is what a capability looks like and where it is retrieved from | 13:54 |
| * mordred waves | 13:54 | |
| cdent | (and of course that whatever it is, everyone is doing the same thing) | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: OK with doing it per endpoint first, as s stepping stone towards centralised? | 13:55 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: I think that's probably the only way it is likely to happen, but I don't like it that much because it means it will never truly be centralised :) | 13:55 |
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| mordred | sdague, cdent: so, for several of these things (although admittedly not enough of them) we have flags in os-client-config so that discovery code can be skipped for known clouds | 13:56 |
| * mordred reminds self to go make a "this cloud requires floating ips" flag | 13:56 | |
| sdague | mordred: code reference? | 13:56 |
| mordred | one sec ... | 13:56 |
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| sdague | I think that shade might be more concrete than horizon for these discovery routines | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, I am with you on that | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: assuming they are not harder questions to answer, +1 | 13:57 |
| mordred | sdague: line 14 and line 16 are both concrete examples: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-client-config/tree/os_client_config/defaults.json#n14 | 13:57 |
| sdague | cdent: I think that if we can convince keystone folks that more things should flow into service catalog, there is a centralization plan | 13:57 |
| cdent | sdague: yes | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we could argue thats more useful than exposing policy, and so it might be what they are wanting to do | 13:58 |
| sdague | cdent: so, I think that's the centralizing plan | 13:58 |
| sdague | mordred: it makes me slightly sad that all the api versions are hardcoded in shade | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | ok, we need to close the meeting now | 13:59 |
| mordred | sdague: those are just defaults | 13:59 |
| sdague | sure | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | we should back to nova channel | 13:59 |
| mordred | sdague: they're overridable in config - and they also can be auto-discovered | 13:59 |
| sdague | mordred: ah, ok | 13:59 |
| mordred | sdague: but yes | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | and johnthetubaguy sdague there is patch looking for feedback https://review.openstack.org/430497, that is also mordred faced problem | 13:59 |
| mordred | sdague: like, if your config says "image api version 2" and the cloud only has 1, we'll use 1 but give you a warning | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 14:00:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | sorry~ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-02-08-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: not see that, looking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-02-08-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-02-08-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| mordred | alex_xu: that one was fun :) | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | mordred: yea | 14:00 |
| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 14:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
| acabot | o/ | 14:01 |
| Yumeng__ | hi | 14:01 |
| pshedimb | hi | 14:01 |
| chrisspencer | o/ | 14:01 |
| adisky_ | hi | 14:01 |
| hvprash | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | #info agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#02.2F08.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| licanwei_ | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | as always feel free to add things in open discussions along the meeting | 14:02 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:03 | |
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| alexchadin | Hi | 14:03 |
| acabot | #info Watcher has been released in v1.0.0 | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | :) | 14:03 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111576.html | 14:03 |
| pshedimb | Yayy :) | 14:03 |
| acabot | thats a great achievement ! | 14:03 |
| acabot | congrats everybody | 14:04 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: +2 | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | We have made it! | 14:04 |
| hvprash | good work team ! congrats ! | 14:04 |
| acabot | #info Watcher Dashboard has been released in v1.0.0 | 14:04 |
| acabot | so now all our components are in 1.0.0 (watcher, dashboard & CLI) | 14:05 |
| acabot | #info alexchadin is elected as Watcher PTL | 14:05 |
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| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111769.html | 14:05 |
| hvprash | woo hoo ! congrats alex ! | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | I am glad to be part of this project! | 14:06 |
| acabot | I planned to add alexchadin as core reviewer on Watcher specs as our new PTL | 14:06 |
| acabot | do we agree that we can do it without candidacy on the ML ? | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | Morning stick in traffic will be there in 5 minutes | 14:06 |
| pshedimb | +2 | 14:06 |
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| hvprash | +2 | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancoise | +2 | 14:07 |
| acabot | ok | 14:07 |
| Yumeng__ | +2 | 14:07 |
| acabot | #action acabot add alexchadin as spec core reviewer | 14:07 |
| licanwei_ | +2 | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | Thank you! | 14:07 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : if its OK for you, I will continue leading the IRC meeting until the PTG | 14:08 |
| acabot | alexchadin : and then we will have to build your own agenda ;-) | 14:08 |
| acabot | s/we/you | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | Yes, i will take this time to get ready for meetings | 14:09 |
| acabot | #info PTG is in 2 weeks, etherpad is open and a 1st draft of agenda is available | 14:09 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-watcher-ptg | 14:09 |
| acabot | feel free to add topics in the list, we still have some time left for other topics | 14:10 |
| pshedimb | No time for lunch during PTG :P | 14:10 |
| acabot | pshedimb : we never eat during meetings ;-) | 14:11 |
| pshedimb | hahaa :D | 14:11 |
| Yumeng__ | LoL | 14:11 |
| acabot | pshedimb : actually I dont know exactly how it will be organized but there will probably be a buffet | 14:11 |
| pshedimb | acabot, okay. cool! | 14:12 |
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| acabot | but I tried to put "light" topics at lunch time :-D | 14:12 |
| acabot | again, it still possible to add topics so feel free to add things you definitely want to have in Pike | 14:13 |
| pshedimb | yes, i will discuss with sballe_ today and add to in etherpad | 14:13 |
| acabot | we have plenty of BPs to discuss (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher) | 14:13 |
| hvprash | yeah, got some reviews on audit vm metatadata. like to discuss in ptg | 14:14 |
| acabot | so if you have a very important one and you won't be there to explain it, please do it on the etherpad, so that we can take decisions | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | acabot: do you plan to organize video translation? | 14:15 |
| acabot | hvprash : added | 14:15 |
| hvprash | thanks :) | 14:15 |
| acabot | alexchadin : I asked for hangout session | 14:16 |
| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: I won't be attending so if you want me to review what we discussed last time about audit vm metadata, make sure you push it before then ;) | 14:16 |
| acabot | alexchadin : but the foundation cannot guarantee the wifi connectivity | 14:16 |
| hvprash | oh ! i thought you will be there. I will work on the PS then | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | acabot: anyway, I will be available in IRC | 14:16 |
| acabot | alexchadin : anyway, I tried to put release related topics between 10am and 2pm | 14:17 |
| acabot | alexchadin : so that you can follow them | 14:17 |
| acabot | #info 3 lightning talks & 1 presentation submitted for Boston summit | 14:17 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_boston2017 | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | acabot: I saw your agenda, thanks :) | 14:18 |
| acabot | I'm surprised that 3 talks have been submitted as lightning talks | 14:18 |
| acabot | FYI, lightning talks replace vBrowBag sessions in previous summit | 14:18 |
| acabot | 10 minutes max | 14:18 |
| acabot | the deadline for submission has been moved to today | 14:20 |
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| alexchadin | I have submitted Plans for P and Q as presentation | 14:20 |
| acabot | so its still possible to change a lightning talk into a presentation if it makes sense | 14:20 |
| acabot | alexchadin : yes, it is the only one, the 3 others are lightning talks | 14:21 |
| alexchadin | Sorry for delaying, I'm on smartphone | 14:21 |
| acabot | Yumeng__ : is your talk ok in 10 minutes ? | 14:21 |
| Yumeng__ | I'm not sure at this stage | 14:21 |
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| Yumeng__ | I will discuss with licanwei_ | 14:22 |
| Yumeng__ | And if possible , I will resubmit it | 14:22 |
| acabot | Yumeng__ : I think you can just update it | 14:23 |
| Yumeng__ | Ok | 14:23 |
| alexchadin | +1 | 14:23 |
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| acabot | #action Yumeng__ check that the submited presentation is a lightning talk or a presentation | 14:23 |
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| acabot | sballe_ hvprash : your talk is a lightning talk (10 minutes), is that OK for you ? | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | hi just got here | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | the RDT talk> | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | sorry the noisy neighbor talk? | 14:25 |
| acabot | sballe_ : Automating noisy neighbor detection with OpenStack Watcher | 14:25 |
| hvprash | sballe_ yes | 14:25 |
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| sballe_ | I would have prefered a normal talk but I will take waht i can get | 14:25 |
| acabot | FYI, I will be track chair for Boston summit | 14:25 |
| sballe_ | cool! | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | I have to leave IRC, will read talks history this evening. | 14:25 |
| hvprash | i think it should be a normal talk > 10 mins if we are covering case studies too | 14:25 |
| acabot | and there are many lightning talks submitted | 14:25 |
| sballe_ | yeah I wanted to ask you about that ... mybe offline | 14:25 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: bye ;) | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I didn;t submit it as a lightning talk | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | Have a nice day/evening! | 14:26 |
| acabot | sballe_ hvprash : I would suggest to update it as a presentation | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | yeah me too | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | can I still do thta? | 14:26 |
| pshedimb | sballe_, yes. | 14:26 |
| acabot | DEADLINE EXTENDED: PRESENTATION SUBMISSIONS FOR OPENSTACK SUMMIT BOSTON UNTIL 11:59PM PST ON FEBRUARY 8, 2017 (7:59 ON FEBRUARY 9, 2017 UTC)! | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | ok I will do that right now | 14:26 |
| pshedimb | Deadline has been extended | 14:26 |
| acabot | before tonight | 14:26 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:27 |
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| acabot | Watcher specs | 14:27 |
| acabot | All those specs should be completed and retargeted to Pike | 14:27 |
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| sballe_ | acabot: I am surprised I have it as a presentation | 14:28 |
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| acabot | so please abandon or update your review in the right folder (pike/approved) | 14:28 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : could be a bug in the track chair tool... | 14:28 |
| sballe_ | ok I just checked and resubmitted making sure it was a presentaiton | 14:29 |
| acabot | sballe_ : ok | 14:29 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425204/ | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | can you give me the link? | 14:29 |
| acabot | sballe_ : open only to track chairs | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | ok so I do not udnerstand "so please abandon or update your review in the right folder (pike/approved)" | 14:30 |
| acabot | #action Yumeng__ resubmit in PIke https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425204/ | 14:30 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : sorry, as these specs have not been implemented in Ocata | 14:30 |
| acabot | sballe_ : we need to resubmit them for Pike | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | oh sorry! Was still on the old topic ;-) | 14:31 |
| acabot | sballe_ : ;-) | 14:31 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:31 |
| pshedimb | acabot, Working on the algo. | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:32 |
| sballe_ | acabot: yeah we finally got the system working including live migration ;-) | 14:32 |
| acabot | pshedimb : ok great, we need to have the spec ready in Pike | 14:32 |
| sballe_ | acabot: please have pshedimb do the action | 14:32 |
| pshedimb | Yes sure. | 14:32 |
| acabot | #undo | 14:32 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action sballe_ resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action pshedimb resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:33 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:33 |
| acabot | #action hvprash resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:33 |
| pshedimb | acabot, sballe_ yeah. will do it. | 14:33 |
| hvprash | acabot: will do | 14:33 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 14:33 |
| sballe_ | I will review | 14:33 |
| acabot | #action chrisspencer resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401111/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #action hanrong resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401111/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420612/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420612/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #action hvprash resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:35 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ | 14:35 |
| chrisspencer | acabot: my spec is already submitted under specs/pike/approved do I need to do something differently? | 14:35 |
| sballe_ | acabot: just as an FYI chrisspencer will take over the grammar bp from hvprash | 14:35 |
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| vincentfrancoise | acabot: I don't know if alexchadin wants to do it since he's the one implementing it | 14:35 |
| chrisspencer | sballe_: acabot I will resubmit the grammar bp as well | 14:35 |
| acabot | chrisspencer : sorry I missed it, thats good then :-) | 14:35 |
| hvprash | sballe_ yeah please assign to chris | 14:35 |
| sballe_ | lol will do :) | 14:36 |
| acabot | #undo | 14:36 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ | 14:36 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: but I'll sync with him | 14:36 |
| acabot | #undo | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action hvprash resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:36 |
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| acabot | #action chrisspencer resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:36 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ | 14:37 |
| acabot | licanwei_ dtardivel : I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ should be improved | 14:37 |
| acabot | licanwei_ : could you resubmit your spec in Pike so that we can work on it again ? | 14:38 |
| sballe_ | chrisspencer: what's your launchpad id? | 14:38 |
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| licanwei_ | acabot: ok | 14:38 |
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| chrisspencer | sballe_: christopher-m-spencer | 14:38 |
| acabot | #action licanwei_ resubmit in Pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ | 14:39 |
| sballe_ | thx | 14:39 |
| acabot | moving to Watcher | 14:39 |
| acabot | workload-balance-tempest needs core final reviews | 14:39 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:detached/workload-balance-tempest | 14:39 |
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| acabot | #action alexchadin dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:detached/workload-balance-tempest | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:40 |
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| acabot | Add Action Notification needs core final reviews | 14:40 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427646/ | 14:40 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427646/ | 14:40 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: already did | 14:40 |
| acabot | #undo | 14:40 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action vincentfrancoise dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427646/ | 14:40 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427646/ | 14:41 |
| acabot | check the state of action plan needs specs rework | 14:41 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ | 14:41 |
| acabot | dynamic-action-description needs a status | 14:41 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/dynamic-action-description | 14:41 |
| acabot | is hanrong here ? | 14:41 |
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| acabot | or anyone working with hanrong ? | 14:42 |
| licanwei_ | me | 14:42 |
| acabot | licanwei_ : thx, do you know whats the status for this BP ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/dynamic-action-description | 14:43 |
| licanwei_ | i dont know | 14:43 |
| acabot | is hanrong working on it or should we give it to someone else as we are resubmitting specs ? | 14:43 |
| licanwei_ | sorry | 14:43 |
| licanwei_ | i'll confirm it | 14:43 |
| acabot | #action licanwei_ see with hanrong what is the status for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/dynamic-action-description | 14:44 |
| acabot | I will probably remove her from the BP at the PTG if we dont get any update until then | 14:44 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:45 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:45 | |
| acabot | Bug fixing in progress for Ocata-rcfinal targeted for February 16th (all fixed bugs should be backported to stable/ocata branch) | 14:45 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-rc-final | 14:45 |
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| acabot | I retargeted all bugs currently in review in Gerrit to ocata-rcfinal | 14:45 |
| acabot | but maybe not all of them will be backported to stable/ocata | 14:46 |
| adisky_ | acabot: i want to discuss about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/stop-action-plan | 14:46 |
| acabot | adisky_ : ok could you please add it to open discussions in the wiki | 14:47 |
| acabot | #topic Open discussions | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussions (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:47 | |
| acabot | adisky_ : please go ahead | 14:47 |
| acabot | adisky_ : do you want to be able to stop an action plan | 14:48 |
| acabot | s/do/so | 14:48 |
| adisky_ | acabot: | 14:48 |
| adisky_ | yes | 14:48 |
| acabot | adisky_ : what will happens then, do you want to rollback previous actions ? | 14:48 |
| acabot | adisky_ : because your cluster could be in an unstable state | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: +2 | 14:49 |
| adisky_ | acabot: yes, rollback of previous action, abort of ongoing, dont start pending actions | 14:49 |
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| adisky_ | acabot: roll-back operation can be left as user's choice | 14:50 |
| acabot | adisky_ : ok in this case you have to check that all previous actions can be rollbacked | 14:50 |
| adisky_ | acabot: yes | 14:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | adisky_: rollbacking is supported by taskflow so it shouldn't be a problem | 14:51 |
| acabot | adisky_ : I think with a basic action plan it could work but we have to think about more advanced strategies (and actions) | 14:51 |
| adisky_ | acabot: it is a possible case that, an action plan is in "ONGOING" state from a long time. user may want to stop it. | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | adisky_: but workflow engines are pluggable so you have to think generic | 14:52 |
| adisky_ | vincentfrancoise: ok | 14:52 |
| acabot | adisky_ : I think you can submit a spec so that we can start iterate on it, as suggested by vincentfrancoise, we can first leverage taskflow to do it | 14:52 |
| adisky_ | acabot: ok | 14:53 |
| acabot | #action adisky_ submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/stop-action-plan | 14:53 |
| acabot | Should we enable Watcher dashboard by default ? | 14:53 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429256/ | 14:53 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : you deactivated Watcher dashboard a couple of months ago, is the issue still present ? | 14:54 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: if we do, it has to be tested via a gate job | 14:54 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : do you mean that we need to add a new gate job for it ? | 14:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: I don't know, but that's why I'm saying we should have it covered because no one deploys a devstack everyday to check that out | 14:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: could be a new one or we could modify the existing one, whichever is fine by me | 14:55 |
| acabot | chrisspencer yumeng__ : did you deploy watcher dashboard using devstack ? | 14:56 |
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| Yumeng__ | yes | 14:56 |
| chrisspencer | acabot: yes, I have it running | 14:56 |
| Yumeng__ | I have tried | 14:56 |
| zhurong | hello, I have a question, as the stackalytics http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/watcher-group/180, licanwei from ZTE, had many contribute to watcher, I think he is qualified to be a core member in watcher | 14:56 |
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| acabot | zhurong : why not, could you please send an email on the openstack-dev mailing list to nominate licanwei ? | 14:57 |
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| adisky_ | vincentfrancoise : still not able to run any strategy with current devstack deployment due to ceilometer API deprecated, any update on this | 14:58 |
| zhurong | This should be PTL nominate, I can not do this. :( | 14:58 |
| acabot | zhurong : no no, anyone can nominate a new core | 14:59 |
| acabot | we dont have time left to discuss ceilometer API issue | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: but to be core, existing cores have then to approve it right? | 14:59 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : yes, vote on the ML | 15:00 |
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| adisky_ | acabot: ok | 15:00 |
| acabot | I have to end the meeting | 15:00 |
| acabot | thanks | 15:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye all | 15:00 |
| hvprash | bye | 15:00 |
| Yumeng__ | Bye | 15:00 |
| acabot | have a good day/night | 15:00 |
| adisky_ | bye | 15:00 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 15:00:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-02-08-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-02-08-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-02-08-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | bye | 15:01 |
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| pshedimb | bye | 15:01 |
| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 15:01:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:01 |
| serverascode | hi all, sorry was a bit late | 15:01 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:01 |
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| serverascode | hi jamemcc :) | 15:02 |
| jamemcc | No worries | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | anyone else here for the telecom/nfv meeting? | 15:02 |
| * PerfectChaos waves | 15:02 | |
| serverascode | hi PerfecChaos :) | 15:02 |
| serverascode | we'll give it another min or so to see who shows up | 15:03 |
| serverascode | ok so maybe just the 3 of us :) might be a nice short meeting | 15:04 |
| serverascode | #topic Boston summit session | 15:04 |
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| serverascode | I don't have much to add here, I put in a session submission but won't hear back for a while | 15:04 |
| serverascode | I know adrien did as well for the massively distributed group | 15:04 |
| serverascode | jamemcc did you as well for LCOO? | 15:05 |
| uli-k | hi! | 15:05 |
| serverascode | hi uli-k :) | 15:05 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 15:05 |
| fengxia41103 | hello | 15:05 |
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| serverascode | hi gengxia41103 | 15:06 |
| serverascode | hi fengxia41103 that is | 15:06 |
| jamemcc | 2 one for general working group and another as a Birds of a Feather to try to introduce and make LCOO more approachable | 15:06 |
| fengxia41103 | hi.. being first time here | 15:06 |
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| fengxia41103 | I'm a Lenovo engineer, just want to sit in | 15:06 |
| serverascode | ok cool thanks jamemcc, will be good to keep an eye on everyones sessions and maybe work together a bit on it | 15:06 |
| fengxia41103 | and learn of this project :) | 15:06 |
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| jamemcc | agreed | 15:07 |
| jamemcc | welcome fengxia41103 | 15:07 |
| fengxia41103 | thank you jamemcc | 15:07 |
| serverascode | I don't have anything else for summit session info right now | 15:07 |
| serverascode | though I should mention they extended the call for presentations, so if you still want to put one in there is time | 15:08 |
| serverascode | also they are managing the lightening talks insttead of the vbrown bag | 15:08 |
| serverascode | so there is a lot of room to present | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | o/ (sorry for being late) | 15:09 |
| serverascode | hi ad_rien_ :) | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | THanks for joining | 15:09 |
| serverascode | ad_rien_ any thoughts on Boston summit sessions? | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi (sorry last meeting was a bit longer than expected) | 15:09 |
| serverascode | LCOO put in a request for a session, and a birds of feather | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | This to some extent (at least for me) is where I get together with you both | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | what do you mean? | 15:10 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | serverascode: did you already ask for rooms? | 15:10 |
| serverascode | fengxia41103 that is the agenda etherpad | 15:10 |
| serverascode | I did already put in a submission yes | 15:10 |
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| fengxia41103 | Got it, thank you serverascode | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | From my side, I sent an email to Erin (but didn't get any answer yet) | 15:11 |
| jamemcc | I meant that for me this is a good touch base point between LCOO and Ops-Telco-NFV and Massive Scalable | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | It was unclear how to perform such a request (i.e. room for face-to-face meetings) | 15:11 |
| serverascode | ad_rien_ my impression was you actually put in a request through the CFP system | 15:11 |
| serverascode | but email might work too | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | I did both so wait and see. | 15:12 |
| jamemcc | Adrien, I can walk you through it if desired- you do it just as if you were requesting a real presentation at the Summit | 15:12 |
| serverascode | ok cool | 15:12 |
| jamemcc | ok | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: sorry your point is that we can take part to the BOF of LCOO? so we can discuss possible collaborations between our WG? | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | s/WG/WGs/ | 15:13 |
| jamemcc | Yes - that's right | 15:13 |
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| jamemcc | Though I think we are also doing that here and we'll get to that today | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it is valuable definitely | 15:13 |
| serverascode | ok that is a good segue :) | 15:14 |
| serverascode | #topic Discuss LCOO a bit | 15:14 |
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| jamemcc | just a sec | 15:14 |
| jamemcc | ok - related and a little more near term - the Ops Meetup - Did we cover that before | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | Actually it seems that several (important) members from the community request/agree that having a shared sessions for all WG chair makes sense. | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm wondering who is going to arrange/animate such a session | 15:14 |
| serverascode | I'll put the ops meetup on the agenda | 15:15 |
| serverascode | we haven't discussed it much recently | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | BTW jamemcc I'm in touch with Abdelhadi Chari that is involved in the Massively Distributed WG (i.e. a few engineers from Orange actually but I'm used to work with Abdelhadi) | 15:15 |
| serverascode | let's just chat about LCOO briefly what with all the recent emails :) | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | :) | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Great - thanks for connecting the thread - I didnt' know that | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Ok - brief is ok | 15:16 |
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| serverascode | I just see some added sections in the agenda, presumably you added those jamemcc? | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Yes - just a few minutes before the meeting | 15:17 |
| serverascode | if you want to discuss any of those points just go ahead | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | (Actually we are working with Orange since three years on revising OpenStack to operate Fog/Edge infrastructres, i.e. http://beyondtheclouds.github.io) | 15:17 |
| jamemcc | So the first thing and maybe this is the brief part - Any advice/insight as to the questions that have come up? | 15:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | Which ones (IOW, which are the most important from your point of view)? | 15:18 |
| jamemcc | I shoudl ahve had the links ready, let me know and I can find them in a minute or 2 | 15:18 |
| serverascode | It is an interesting situation, I think it's kind of a first for openstack | 15:18 |
| serverascode | most of the groups have been based on individuals | 15:19 |
| jamemcc | Good questions asked about what is this new WG and why does it seem so somilar to Telco NFV and Massive Scalable | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | Jay is still challenging every change | 15:19 |
| serverascode | he hasn't emailed for a while | 15:19 |
| serverascode | but his points are all good | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | I think this is the way he uses to make things progressing | 15:19 |
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| ad_rien_ | There are overlaps between NFV and Massively distributed definitely | 15:20 |
| serverascode | I think his major thing is to make sure that the core openstack components are considered | 15:20 |
| jamemcc | exchanges taht did seem to push forward | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | serverascode: you mean? | 15:20 |
| serverascode | eg the gluon project vs neutron | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:20 |
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| serverascode | improving core systems as opposed to writing something new | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | sometimes he made some tweets on the fact that OpenStack will dissapear in favor of OpenNFV ;) | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | but actually this is our position in the massively distributed WG | 15:21 |
| serverascode | yeah I read those as well | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | and he made also some remaks a few months ago | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | and it is clear in the definition of the WG | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | OpenSTack and Upstream first | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | the issue is that it takes times | 15:22 |
| jamemcc | I guess the fer is that a group like LCOO might be creating new things in a vacumn and seems to me the actionable aspect of that for us here is to make sure we aren't adding to that dynamic with multiple WG and in fact helping to bring more parties together | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | OpenStack has been historically designed/developed to operate single site cloud infrastructure | 15:22 |
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| serverascode | jamemcc: right | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | Now academics and industry experts agree that clouds should move to a more distributed model. The question is that should we do it with OpenStack or not | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | Doing without (i.e. developping from sratch) looks to be a non sense | 15:23 |
| serverascode | ad_rien_ good point, the massively distributed concept is contentious as well :) | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | but at the same time we need to have some folks from the core developers that can hear our requests/whishes | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | otherwise, there will be a fork for sure | 15:24 |
| serverascode | yes that is a difficult issue | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | We spoke/exchanged a lot with ttx | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | but we need to find | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | additional persons | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | that argue for such a change in the design | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | i.e. ensuring that OpenStack core services can cope with WANwide deployments | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | IT seems that now more and more persons are interested by that | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | and not only for NFV/SDN use-cases | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | (don't get me wrong, NFV/SDN use-cases are valuable too ;)) | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | I just say that we need additional use-cases that can justify the needs of having clouds operated by the same provider but geographically disrtibuted | 15:27 |
| serverascode | ok, there is a lot of change afoot :) | 15:27 |
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| serverascode | but we should stick to advice for LCOO if any for this topic | 15:27 |
| serverascode | anyone have any advice to share? | 15:27 |
| serverascode | I will just say 1) work upstream 2) work with core components as much as reasonable 3) use openstack community tools as much as possible | 15:28 |
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| uli-k | I think it is not only about "operated by the same provider". | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | I think a valuable goal is to identify what are the missing components or at least the core-services that does not cope with requirements. | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | and to have strong arguments to say why (for instance performance experiments). | 15:29 |
| uli-k | It is about sharing the resources of different sites, so somebody can assign workloads flexibly between sites or tie them to a specific site. | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | uli-k: I agree but this makes the big picture more complex | 15:29 |
| uli-k | I know :( | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | my idea/vision (that can be wrong) is something like TPC/IP two decades ago | 15:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | so if OpenStack can natively cooperate like TCP/IP does | 15:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | then each time you plug two openstack deployment they will be able to colloborate in a native manner | 15:30 |
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| jamemcc | Thanks Curtis | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | then we can be sure that peering agreement between operatos etc…. will come to the surface | 15:31 |
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| jamemcc | Adrien, That's a nice simple explanation/start of a user story | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | AFAIK right now, this is rather not evident to operate a significant number of small DCs | 15:31 |
| serverascode | that sounds more like federation than distributed | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | you can use the regions to operate a few DCs but if you consider to deploy a small DC (let's say two racks) in each Network of Point of Presence, then it will become a nightmare to operate that with the region concept | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe the cells concept can be better (especially with the revision of cell V2) but this is not clear yet… in particular because the cell is just for Nova :( | 15:32 |
| matrohon | ad_rien_, if you refer to AS interconnection, eBGP would be a better model I think :) | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | it depends.. do you want to have a glance repository in every site. | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | matrohon: yes | 15:33 |
| serverascode | ok, unfortunately we should probably move on in our agenda | 15:33 |
| serverascode | very interesting topic though | 15:33 |
| jamemcc | IN terms of LCOO next steps we are trying to form functional specialty teams (SME teams) in the areas/groups I listed in the Etherpad. We'll try to be bringing user stories out of thise teams and in time for the Boston Forum and where applicable (cross project and cross release) through PWG User Story process. | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: what kind of user stories are you expecting for intance for the container item . | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | As User Stories that seem related to Telco/NF or assive Scalable - I'll bring here as well | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:34 |
| serverascode | are you planning on the user stories first, then to start actual coding projects? | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | The main one would be to spin up and manage the control plane | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | The details of the User Story would be what personas need what out of all that | 15:35 |
| jamemcc | Seems very reaalted to scalable too | 15:36 |
| serverascode | what's LMA stand for? | 15:36 |
| jamemcc | Just an example - I'm not the one per se to submit the User Story | 15:37 |
| jamemcc | LMA is this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjbqs2k6oDSAhXkjFQKHW7DDNAQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirantis.com%2Fblog%2Fmos-7-0-logging-monitoring-alerting-lma-enhancements%2F&usg=AFQjCNFVNx6V_sBxfiXqiXhUc2C3PI-6jQ&sig2=A_5hHwUIO7pTCDZTLYpxEQ | 15:37 |
| jamemcc | oops | 15:37 |
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| serverascode | ah ok | 15:38 |
| jamemcc | https://www.mirantis.com/blog/mos-7-0-logging-monitoring-alerting-lma-enhancements/ | 15:38 |
| jamemcc | But the team is more about that subject area - kind of a bad example as it seems to suggest the team has alredy chose | 15:39 |
| serverascode | and is the plan to work on user stories first, then to start to understand what devleopment work needs to be done? | 15:39 |
| jamemcc | n the project | 15:39 |
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| jamemcc | Yes | 15:39 |
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| serverascode | ok, sounds good to me :) | 15:40 |
| serverascode | I think you might get some questions around the sub groups | 15:40 |
| serverascode | as there are some existing working groups in those areas, but not all, but I could forsee questions on that | 15:41 |
| serverascode | any other thoughts on this topic? should perhaps move onto the milan ops meetup | 15:41 |
| jamemcc | ok to move on - thanks for feedback | 15:42 |
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| serverascode | #topic Milan Operators Meetup | 15:42 |
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| jamemcc | Adrien - I'll pass on the notes you put in to those teams as they get started | 15:42 |
| serverascode | I should first say that I'm not sure I will be attending | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: not sure I understood, are you expecting some actions from my side? | 15:43 |
| serverascode | jamemcc are you going? are others from the LCOO going? | 15:43 |
| jamemcc | Yeah - not clear for me either to attend in Milan | 15:43 |
| jamemcc | Just wanted to clear the air | 15:43 |
| serverascode | I know shintaro from NTT will be there, or I think he will | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | serverascode: I will not attend the Milan meeting | 15:43 |
| serverascode | other than that I'm not sure how many ppl working in NFV related fields will be there | 15:43 |
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| serverascode | ok so perhaps there is not much to discuss here :) | 15:44 |
| jamemcc | ok - Adrien - no action needed form you - until the team (assumign we can get started) wants to collaborate - then we'd reach out to you | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks for the clarification | 15:44 |
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| serverascode | ok if no other thoughts on that then next topic... | 15:45 |
| serverascode | #topic Generic NFV Platform Definition document | 15:45 |
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| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/generic-nfv-platform | 15:45 |
| serverascode | I am still just entering sections and occasionally writing in that document, and I will just keep doing so over the next while | 15:45 |
| serverascode | please feel free to add or edit or suggest or critique :) | 15:46 |
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| serverascode | any thoughts on that at all? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | Is CloudRan a NFV use-case? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | If yes I think we should invite some Orange folks | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | Because we had some discussions and they have a use-case that looks really interesting to illustrate the interest of a disitrbuted infrastructure | 15:48 |
| serverascode | I'm not super familar with cloudran, what exactly is that? | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | with all advanced features you can envision | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | matrohon: still there ? | 15:48 |
| matrohon | yep | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | you want to give a few words on that or should I? | 15:49 |
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| matrohon | cloudran is the same as vRAN :) | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks:D | 15:49 |
| matrohon | the ability to manage compnent of 4G/5G design in VM | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | briefly the idea is to virtualize as much features as possible | 15:49 |
| matrohon | from antenna component to backends | 15:50 |
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| serverascode | what kind of special features does that typically require? real time kernel? | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | some features cannot be deployed in centralized clouds due to latency constraints | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | whereas other can be put higher in the infrastructure | 15:50 |
| matrohon | some of those VM will need to be as close as possible to the antenna (law latency) whereas some other might move to a central DC | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | (lower = edge, ie. at the bottom of the radio base station, higher, means the traditional DC) | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | so ou have placement issues | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | network issues | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | etc.. | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | because some VMs should be interconnected (i.e. they exchange messages) while not being located on the same site | 15:51 |
| serverascode | so cloudran would require a distributed hypervisor type setup? | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | so you have wanwide-related issues | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | if by hypervisor you mean openstack yes | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | if by hypervisor your mean KVM | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | the answer is no | 15:52 |
| serverascode | so a separate cloud in the radio base station? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | there is different scenarios | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | you can have only compute nodes deployed at the bottom of radio base stations | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | and the control services in one centralized cloud | 15:53 |
| serverascode | I think for this "generic NFV platform" it would probably just start with one single openstack deployment | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | so only one openstack to operate this infrastructure | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | exactly | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | here you have only one openstack | 15:53 |
| serverascode | ok yeah then that is a potential use case sure | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | (please keep in mind that in our vision, i.e. the massively distribetud WG, there is/will be always one OpenStack) | 15:53 |
| serverascode | is there one of those use-case diagrams for this model? I know you had a bunch of diagrams | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | let me find the url | 15:54 |
| serverascode | the only problem is that the massively distributed doesn't really exist yet, in my mind, right? | 15:54 |
| matrohon | a use case that needs to scale to potentially thousand hundreds of compute... | 15:54 |
| serverascode | there's no code in openstack yet to do that | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jJFZejZqgYDxu5FX4K8g3I5zQ87afnjYI4VSRSuCQ6U/edit#slide=id.p different manner to operate distinct DCs | 15:55 |
| serverascode | (5 min letf) | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | all the architecture deployment that are presented in these google slides | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | are valid | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. you can deploy them now | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | and it will run | 15:55 |
| serverascode | ok, will take a look :) | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | the question is that as matrohon mentioned, the scalability | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | issue | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | the latency issue | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | some features that do not run well in a WAN context | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | etc… | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | the main issue is that when we discuss with core developer of Openstack | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | they argue that you can already deal with the use-case we are discussing | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | by selecting one of the archtecture illustrated in those slides. | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | what we would like to do is to identify the issues/barriers and show them that they are wrong (or right ;)) | 15:57 |
| serverascode | ok, I'd like to leave the last couple of min for open discussion | 15:57 |
| serverascode | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| serverascode | anyone have anything they would like to add? | 15:57 |
| serverascode | PerfectChaos? | 15:58 |
| serverascode | uli-k? | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | serverascode: may I ask you whether you can clarify the difference between distributed and federated (i.e. not now but maybe we can discuss it next time) | 15:58 |
| serverascode | yeah we will have to discuss that at some point | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:58 |
| serverascode | especially if our presentation is selected :) | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | :-P | 15:58 |
| serverascode | fengxia41103? | 15:59 |
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| * uli-k happy if we discuss CloudRan, but also no expert..... | 15:59 | |
| serverascode | 20 seconds left :) | 15:59 |
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| PerfectChaos | I don't really have anything to discuss this time... | 15:59 |
| serverascode | thanks everyone for this week, lots going on in the NFV and OpenStack world | 15:59 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 16:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-02-08-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-02-08-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-02-08-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 8 16:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| zhubingbing | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
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| inc0 | #topic rollcall, w00t! | 16:00 |
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| sdake | zhubingbing you jumped the gun :) | 16:00 |
| inc0 | you know what to do | 16:00 |
| sdake | w00t | 16:00 |
| berendt | o/ woot | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | woot o/ | 16:01 |
| zhubingbing | woot | 16:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 16:01 |
| zhubingbing | w00t!! | 16:01 |
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| zhubingbing | -) | 16:01 |
| akwasnie | Hi:) | 16:01 |
| inc0 | welcome back akwasnie! | 16:01 |
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| akwasnie | Finally! | 16:01 |
| sdake | long time no see akwasnie - welcome back :) | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:01 |
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| zhubingbing | welcome back!! | 16:01 |
| akwasnie | Thanks! I missed you guys | 16:01 |
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| akwasnie | I am in Usa now:) | 16:01 |
| sp_ | 0/ | 16:02 |
| vhosakot | 0/ | 16:02 |
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| egonzalez | welcome o/ | 16:02 |
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| mandre | o/ | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | right... let's move on, agenda seems busy | 16:02 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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| sdake | i've got one | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | soo, we are in the middle of pre-release | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | so I'd encourage everyone to focus on bugs in kolla and kolla-ansible | 16:03 |
| sdake | i am doing a seminar at 2:00 PM MST for 2 hours on all 3 kolla deliverables - see ml for more details :) | 16:03 |
| inc0 | so we can deliver another kickass release early March | 16:03 |
| sdake | on feb 15th that is :) | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | we may have to create rc1 tag and ocata branch this week. | 16:03 |
| sdake | and inc0 ^^^ :) | 16:04 |
| caowei | o/ | 16:04 |
| klindgren | o/ | 16:04 |
| duonghq | o/ sorry for late, my fiber connection has gone by someway | 16:04 |
| gema | o/ | 16:04 |
| inc0 | ok, let's move on to meeting itself | 16:04 |
| jascott1 | o/ | 16:04 |
| krtaylor | quick introduction, I'm getting more involved with the intention of making things work on ppc64le architecture | 16:04 |
| inc0 | #topic dumb-init vs tini | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | then fix bug require a real bug number, and fix master first then back port into ocata branch. | 16:04 |
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| srwilkers | o/ | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, you're up | 16:04 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | it is related to this patch https://review.openstack.org/430108 | 16:05 |
| zhubingbing | agree jeffrey41 | 16:05 |
| britthouser | 0/ | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | some background: docker 1.13 provide init process now. | 16:05 |
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| Jeffrey4l | which is using tini | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://github.com/krallin/tini | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | so i think we should sync with docker use the same init solution? | 16:06 |
| sdake | my two concerns when Jeffrey4l raised this last night were the license may have been funky - that is not the case - and why fix what isn't broken - which is open for debate | 16:06 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, I'd say not in Ocata | 16:06 |
| berendt | dumb-init has still active upstream? | 16:06 |
| inc0 | and in Pike we can explore even pinning to docker 1.13 | 16:06 |
| Jeffrey4l | another reason is: dumb-init 1.2.0 works wired. | 16:06 |
| sdake | inc0 or introducing entirely new runtimes even ;-) | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | that why we revert the dumb-init 1.2.0 patch. | 16:07 |
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| Jeffrey4l | inc0, this is not related the docker 1.13. this patch do not pin kolla to docker 1.13. | 16:07 |
| inc0 | we don't know if tini works any better | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | check the change, the gate works. | 16:07 |
| inc0 | I know, but you're saying docker 1.13 will use it out of the box right | 16:07 |
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| inc0 | ? | 16:07 |
| berendt | i would prefer to not change as long as dumb-init is working for us | 16:07 |
| pbourke | dumb-init is not working for us | 16:08 |
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| pbourke | its busted in latest relase | 16:08 |
| pbourke | tini is the upstream docker solution | 16:08 |
| berendt | but not yet, right? | 16:08 |
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| Jeffrey4l | we hit this issue https://github.com/Yelp/dumb-init/issues/136 | 16:08 |
| inc0 | so I'm really reluctant to make this kind of change after ocata-3:/ | 16:08 |
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| Jeffrey4l | inc0, if we wanna to pin docker 1.13 use the its init solution. | 16:09 |
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| pbourke | we could stick with dumb-init 1.2 till pike | 16:09 |
| berendt | is it not possible to fix dumb-init? | 16:09 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, that's my point | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | we have to run container like "docker run --init xx" a new parameter. | 16:09 |
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| sdake | we are not pinning to 1.13 in ocata release :( | 16:09 |
| inc0 | we can drop our own init alltogether | 16:09 |
| inc0 | not in ocata sda | 16:09 |
| inc0 | sdake, | 16:09 |
| sdake | right | 16:09 |
| sdake | ok all good then :) | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. i am fine with that ;) | 16:09 |
| inc0 | what we have now, works, issue is with dump-init 1.2 | 16:10 |
| inc0 | which we don't have to use | 16:10 |
| inc0 | but that puts dump-init on notice (I recently learned new phrase in English!) | 16:10 |
| inc0 | and in Pike we can explore either switching to tini or looksing init completely and pin to docker 1.13 | 16:11 |
| inc0 | but that will require some discussion in ops community | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. i will give a -2 to my patch until Pike. | 16:11 |
| inc0 | right, anything else in that topic? | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am done . | 16:11 |
| berendt | should we open a blue print for it? | 16:12 |
| inc0 | berendt, +1 to that | 16:12 |
| klindgren | would tini allow someone to provide a default overide-able start command for each container? | 16:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | klindgren, tini not. but docker 1.13 yes. | 16:12 |
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| berendt | Jeffrey4l: do you open a blueprint for it? | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | there is a parameter "--init-path" in docker 1.13 | 16:13 |
| inc0 | klindgren, we could do this with or without tini | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | berendt, np. i will | 16:13 |
| inc0 | with templates | 16:13 |
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| inc0 | but that's different discussion:) feel free to ping me after meeting and we'll talk about it | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | another topic is pin docker 1.13. not it is not properly for current. ;) | 16:13 |
| inc0 | ok moving on | 16:14 |
| inc0 | #topic PTG Schedule finalization | 16:14 |
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| inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-pike-ptg-schedule | 16:14 |
| inc0 | still 2 kolla-k8s sessions not filled | 16:14 |
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| inc0 | 1 session not filled:) | 16:15 |
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| sdake | would be nice to know who pink was to provide clrity on that potentially duplicate session | 16:18 |
| sdake | i think operator feedback is not really a design session topci which #5 looks like | 16:18 |
| vhosakot | team, sorry to say I'll miss the PTG as I'm attending my company's conference in Berlin the same exact days as PTG. good thing is, I'll be presenting kolla to the customers and will try to get more contributors for us :) | 16:19 |
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| inc0 | vhosakot, shame, but alcohol we would drink will only get older this way = better | 16:20 |
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| sbezverk | sdake: hmm I added it and it sounds clear to me | 16:20 |
| vhosakot | inc0: haha :) | 16:20 |
| sdake | sbezverk cool - coud yoou ahve a look and tell me if it is still clear? | 16:21 |
| krtaylor | I guess it is safe to assume that each main number in the etherpad = one 40-50 min session? | 16:21 |
| inc0 | sbezverk, that's the issue, everything sounds clear to someone who made it;) | 16:21 |
| inc0 | krtaylor, correct | 16:21 |
| sdake | krtaylor that is what we have done at every midcycle in tehe past ;) | 16:21 |
| vhosakot | are the PTG seesions available on webex or recorded by any chance? | 16:21 |
| sdake | vhosakot inc0 is sorting out remote participation | 16:21 |
| inc0 | you'll be able to call into it | 16:21 |
| inc0 | but I don't think we'll record as it's legally iffy | 16:22 |
| vhosakot | sdake: great, yes, I'd love to catch up on videos/recordings please. | 16:22 |
| krtaylor | thanks, just wanted to be clear as I will be in a cab for the first couple :( | 16:22 |
| vhosakot | inc0: cool, calling in is great | 16:22 |
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| inc0 | krtaylor, we can bring you up to speed afterwards | 16:23 |
| krtaylor | thx! | 16:23 |
| sdake | question what is day 1 #2 about? | 16:23 |
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| inc0 | sdake, we have some strange wiring between projects now | 16:23 |
| sdake | so this is cross-repo gating or somethign ele? | 16:24 |
| inc0 | kolla using ansible gates, kolla-ansible configs in kolla-k8s | 16:24 |
| inc0 | all that stuff | 16:24 |
| sdake | would like to have some context to prep properly :) | 16:24 |
| sdake | i see - could you add more detials on that one ? | 16:24 |
| sdake | i think the rest ono day 1 are pretty clear | 16:24 |
| inc0 | sure | 16:24 |
| sdake | now for day 2:) | 16:24 |
| egonzalez | yep, looks very confussion by the name | 16:24 |
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| sdake | day 2 has some topics | 16:27 |
| sdake | rather adjustments | 16:27 |
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| gema | multiarch? where would it go? | 16:29 |
| gema | waiting list? | 16:29 |
| gema | coffee break? | 16:30 |
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| krtaylor | lol | 16:30 |
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| inc0 | right, I think schedule looks good | 16:31 |
| inc0 | we'll take one more look at it next week | 16:31 |
| inc0 | and I'll put hours there:) | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | #topic release notes (timebox 15min) | 16:32 |
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| sdake | please for the love of god do release notes for kolla-kubernetes | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | I'd like everyone to try to recall changes that has been made in this release and confirm that reno notes has been made | 16:32 |
| sdake | a lot of peopel read them and track our progress | 16:32 |
| inc0 | now I'm talking about kolla-ansible/kolla;) | 16:33 |
| sdake | inc0 ahh sorry :) | 16:33 |
| inc0 | as we actually release these | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | prepare an etherpad link? | 16:33 |
| sdake | inc0 right - my statement still stands and I hoep you supoprt it:) | 16:33 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, good point, let me do this | 16:33 |
| zhubingbing | +1 | 16:34 |
| inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-ocata-release-notes | 16:34 |
| inc0 | sdake, there are many ways to track progress, release notes aren't normally meant for this;) | 16:34 |
| inc0 | but back on track, let's note what is not in reno and collectively fix these | 16:35 |
| inc0 | I'm especially interested in upgrade notes, this has to be up to date | 16:35 |
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| sdake_ | can someone link the release notes etherpad, my network dc'ed | 16:41 |
| berendt | sdake_: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-ocata-release-notes | 16:42 |
| sdake_ | tx | 16:42 |
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| inc0 | ok we're running out of out timebox:) | 16:49 |
| inc0 | few more minutes and let's leave some time for open discussion for a change | 16:49 |
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| inc0 | allright, so everyone, don't stop after meeting, take a longer look at release notes | 16:51 |
| inc0 | these are really really important | 16:51 |
| inc0 | especially if some step needs to be made between upgrades | 16:52 |
| inc0 | also, we need to fill them so please add missing notes to repo | 16:52 |
| inc0 | #topic Open discussion | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | 8 minutes left, anyone has anything they'd like to share | 16:52 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:52 |
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| gema | I'd like to ask for reviews of this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430940/ | 16:53 |
| jascott1 | can day 1 #7 be about helm features we might need also? | 16:54 |
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| sdake_ | jascott1 that would be a better use of time I think | 16:54 |
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| Jeffrey4l | gema, how can i get ppc docker base image? | 16:55 |
| jascott1 | we might be able to cover it all in the 'helming hour' | 16:55 |
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| Jeffrey4l | does docker provide this? | 16:55 |
| gema | Jeffrey4l: krtaylor may be able to answer that | 16:55 |
| krtaylor | not off the top of my head, let's discuss after meeting and I'll find out | 16:56 |
| gema | Jeffrey4l: may be worth adding the question to the patch | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | yep. | 16:56 |
| gema | and bring the conv there | 16:56 |
| krtaylor | btw, also reviewing that now | 16:57 |
| gema | thanks! | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | OT: dumb-init do not provide ppc edition | 16:58 |
| inc0 | meh | 16:59 |
| inc0 | well we're removing it anyway;) | 16:59 |
| inc0 | ok guys | 16:59 |
| inc0 | thank you for coming! | 16:59 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 16:59:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-02-08-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-02-08-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-02-08-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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