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oanson | #startmeeting Dragonflow | 09:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 09:01:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:01 |
oanson | All right, who's here for the weekly? | 09:01 |
lihi | Hi | 09:01 |
dimak | Hello | 09:01 |
xiaohhui | hello | 09:01 |
oanson | Surprisingly, if I start the meeting in the correct channel, everyone is here :) | 09:02 |
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irenab | hi | 09:02 |
oanson | We'll wait another minute, and then we'l start | 09:02 |
oanson | All right | 09:03 |
oanson | I'm going to veer of the agenda for a second | 09:03 |
oanson | I got the Dragonflow logo from the illustration team | 09:03 |
oanson | lihi should have the link read any second now | 09:03 |
lihi | http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=436a5d8 | 09:04 |
lihi | :) | 09:04 |
oanson | What do you guys think? | 09:04 |
irenab | looks like question mark up down | 09:04 |
xiaohhui | it looks like a sea horse to me... | 09:05 |
lihi | If you want to give direct feedback on your mascot to the designers, go here: http://tinyurl.com/OSmascot | 09:05 |
oanson | It is a sea horse, yes. | 09:05 |
oanson | I understood that we had to choose an animal that was real, not manmade, and not extinct | 09:05 |
oanson | So gsagie, the former PTL, chose a sea horse | 09:05 |
lihi | Well, a sea horse kinda looks like a question mark up down | 09:06 |
xiaohhui | What is this log for? | 09:06 |
xiaohhui | log->logo | 09:06 |
oanson | I think it is going to replace the network cable dragon logo we have now on all our project docs | 09:06 |
xiaohhui | I see | 09:07 |
oanson | I think maybe ask it to be thinner, and have the spikes on the back more pronounced. Might make it a bit more dragon-ish | 09:08 |
lihi | It might be nice | 09:09 |
oanson | All right. So as lihi said, you can also give your comments directly here: http://tinyurl.com/OSmascot | 09:10 |
oanson | Let's move on | 09:10 |
oanson | #topic Roadmap | 09:11 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)" | 09:11 | |
oanson | IPv6 - lihi, any updates? | 09:11 |
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lihi | I had some unexpected isues with the unit tests, but I should be done soon. I'm also refactoring a bit the sg code. It contains a lot of duplicate code | 09:12 |
oanson | lihi, I see. Well, any cleanup to the code is appreciate as well. | 09:12 |
oanson | Do you think it will be done by the PTG? | 09:13 |
lihi | yes | 09:13 |
oanson | Cool. | 09:13 |
oanson | NB refactor - dimak, I saw there are a lot of patches up | 09:14 |
oanson | They also look like they are coming along nicely. | 09:14 |
dimak | yeah, primarily waiting for your +1's (or -1's) | 09:14 |
oanson | Since this is a major overhaul, I'd like everyone to put their stamp of approval before we move forwards with this | 09:14 |
oanson | I know it's a lot of code, but dimak did break it down for us, so it should be ... manageable :) | 09:15 |
oanson | dimak, I also understand you are building the SFC on top of it? | 09:15 |
dimak | Yeah, I also postponed some stuff | 09:15 |
dimak | Yes, I'm working primarily on SFC over the new models now | 09:15 |
dimak | trying to get the fullstack test I have to work | 09:16 |
oanson | We will need to move the models from the legacy structure to the refactored structure. Is that something you can do, or are you fully booked with SFC? | 09:16 |
dimak | I can do that as soon as we converge on the basic framework | 09:17 |
irenab | oanson, me and dimak started to check openAPI spec to prepare automation for the schema generation | 09:17 |
oanson | Great. | 09:17 |
oanson | irenab, sounds good. How's that going? | 09:17 |
dimak | Yeah, once we have all the models in the new format we can relatively easily generate large parts of the api declaration | 09:17 |
irenab | we need to see if to keep model definition as a single piece or split db and api parts | 09:18 |
oanson | That's our REST API out-of-the-box? | 09:18 |
oanson | In general, we'll want to split the models of to be by topic | 09:19 |
irenab | yes | 09:19 |
oanson | e.g. routers and l3 in one file, floating IPs in another, BGP (when it lands) in another, etc. | 09:19 |
irenab | oanson, feature | 09:19 |
irenab | topic is abit overloaded term | 09:19 |
oanson | Yes, feature :) | 09:19 |
oanson | Which reminds me, the spec was merged yesterday evening | 09:20 |
irenab | seems that openAPI spec documentation has nice tagging feature, to filter relevant APIs by tags | 09:20 |
oanson | (Or this morning, according to time difference) | 09:20 |
dimak | oanson, we should also examine the translation between db-stored data and api objects | 09:20 |
irenab | so we can use tag = feature | 09:20 |
oanson | irenab, that's a good idea | 09:21 |
oanson | dimak, what do you mean? | 09:21 |
dimak | because api is expected to be backwards compatible | 09:21 |
dimak | and some things present in api objects we might not want in the database | 09:21 |
oanson | dimak, yes, but only after the first version we have it | 09:21 |
oanson | It won't have to be backwards compatible to a time before API, and by the looks of it, it won't make it into Ocata | 09:22 |
dimak | yeah | 09:22 |
oanson | There's just too little time to stabalise it, especially if we will need backwards compatibility | 09:22 |
dimak | I just meant that db and api might need to diverge at some point | 09:22 |
irenab | dimak, +1 | 09:23 |
oanson | I guess we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. We have to minimise API breaking changes, and see how to support backwards compatibility if we have to. | 09:24 |
oanson | Neutron have a deprecation system, but I don't like it very much... | 09:24 |
oanson | Seeing as we were on the broken end of such a change a few times :) | 09:24 |
irenab | oanson, we just need to keep in mind the backward compatibility, not to break existing clients after first version is released | 09:24 |
oanson | Yes. | 09:25 |
oanson | Anything else for API? | 09:25 |
irenab | openAPI also provides tools to generate clients in different launguages | 09:25 |
oanson | That's a powerful feature! | 09:26 |
irenab | so once we are doen with model definition, seems the rest should not be too time consuming | 09:26 |
oanson | That was the plan when we started :) | 09:26 |
dimak | We'll still have to implement some kind of server to translate api to nb db | 09:27 |
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oanson | dimak, doesn't openAPI provide that too? | 09:27 |
irenab | please check the latest spec version and my replies to recent comments | 09:27 |
dimak | oanson, You can generate a server with stubs | 09:28 |
dimak | I don't we'd like rebasing on top of it each time | 09:28 |
oanson | We'll have to see what it provides exactly, then. The way we use it, the implementation of these stubs may be automated. | 09:28 |
dimak | maybe better to write someothing of our own with some magic to translate paths to models automatically | 09:28 |
oanson | dimak, no. These things should change only if the models change | 09:29 |
oanson | dimak, possibly. I was playing around with python bottle, which looks like it can do it :) | 09:29 |
oanson | But one step at a time | 09:29 |
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dimak | oanson, we should also note that api spec is dependent on the models loaded | 09:29 |
oanson | dimak, sorry? | 09:30 |
dimak | We talked about dynamic loading of features | 09:30 |
oanson | Ah. Yes. Of course. | 09:30 |
dimak | e.g. apps + service plugins | 09:30 |
oanson | We have to support API for all loaded models, and not support API for models that aren't loaded. | 09:30 |
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dimak | this means that the set of models we support is different for each configuration | 09:31 |
dimak | what about 3rd party? | 09:31 |
oanson | Yes. But all have to be implemented, and only those that are loaded, should be supported by the API | 09:31 |
dimak | I meant that if I have an out-of-tree feature I want to support | 09:32 |
oanson | For 3rd party, we will have to provide some way to extend our API. If everything is done automagically, that wouldn't be a problem. | 09:32 |
irenab | we will havCen we delay a bit the dynamic loading, at least till we have basic stuff working? | 09:32 |
irenab | Can we delay a dynamic part? | 09:32 |
oanson | irenab, no worries. Right now we're only planning ahead. It's not like dimak already has it all written. (dimak, right?) | 09:32 |
dimak | heh, not yet | 09:33 |
irenab | oanson, I won't be suprised to see it during the afternoon :-) | 09:33 |
oanson | He said he doesn't have it written yet. So it will take him at least until | 09:33 |
oanson | the evening | 09:33 |
oanson | All right. Let's move on. | 09:34 |
oanson | distributed sNAT | 09:34 |
oanson | the second implementation has been uploaded. But I will talk with ishafran. It looks like he squashed the two commits. | 09:34 |
oanson | I will ask him to un-squash them. | 09:34 |
oanson | TAP-as-a-Service - yuli_s are you in? | 09:35 |
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dimak | It looks like the snat patch is on top of the abandoned patch | 09:35 |
oanson | dimak, that sounds strange. But I'll ask ishafran organise it so it's digestible | 09:36 |
irenab | I also talked with ishafran regarding the ml2 driver change, I proposed different approach and we will continue the discussion | 09:36 |
oanson | irenab, you want to elaborate? | 09:36 |
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oanson | ishafran, right on time :) | 09:37 |
ishafran | Hi | 09:37 |
irenab | the lates patch includes changes to ml2 df driver, I suggested a bit different approach that does not require ml2 driver modification. | 09:37 |
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itamaro | Hi | 09:38 |
irenab | but I think we still need some time to discuss it offline | 09:38 |
oanson | Sure. | 09:39 |
irenab | in short, get port_created notification outside of the ml2 driver and create compute tenant gw port | 09:39 |
oanson | irenab, as in a second mechanism driver? | 09:39 |
irenab | oanson, more like l3 service | 09:39 |
irenab | but maybe another l2 driver can work as well | 09:40 |
oanson | If Neutron supports that, it would be great. I though ports and l2 were only accessible via the mechanism driver? | 09:40 |
ishafran | I am actually did not find alternative pre/post commit mechansim except mech_driver since our talk yesterday | 09:40 |
irenab | ishafran, will show you what I meant | 09:40 |
oanson | All right. As irenab said, let's take this offline. | 09:41 |
oanson | Should we continue? | 09:41 |
ishafran | lets take tit offline | 09:41 |
oanson | Tap-as-a-Service - I understand that yuli_s is setting up a taas environment, and then he'll start the implementation | 09:42 |
oanson | (He is also working with the Rally croud on something else) | 09:42 |
oanson | crowd* | 09:43 |
oanson | All right. Anything else for roadmap? | 09:43 |
oanson | #topic Open Discussion | 09:44 |
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oanson | The floor is for the taking | 09:44 |
xiaohhui | I have one question about storing port unique key in reg | 09:44 |
xiaohhui | in table 0 we store it in reg6, but in all other tables we store it in reg7 | 09:44 |
xiaohhui | and the value in reg6 seems only be used by metadata app | 09:45 |
dimak | I though it reg6 is used for source port and reg7 for the dest | 09:45 |
oanson | reg6 is the source port's ID | 09:45 |
oanson | dimak beat me to it :) | 09:45 |
xiaohhui | I see it | 09:45 |
xiaohhui | thanks guys | 09:45 |
oanson | The thing is, only metadata actually needs to know the source (So far) | 09:45 |
oanson | In theory, I guess reg6 can be winged for the in_port (like in port sec) | 09:46 |
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oanson | The floor is free again. | 09:47 |
oanson | All right. Thanks everyone. | 09:48 |
oanson | #endmeeting | 09:48 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:48 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 09:48:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:48 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-02-06-09.01.html | 09:48 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-02-06-09.01.txt | 09:48 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2017/dragonflow.2017-02-06-09.01.log.html | 09:48 |
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apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 14:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:00 |
apuimedo | Hello everybody and welcome to another Kuryr weekly IRC meeting | 14:00 |
apuimedo | Who's here for the meeting? | 14:00 |
ivc_ | o7 | 14:00 |
limao | o/ | 14:00 |
alraddarla | o/ | 14:01 |
yedongcan | o/ | 14:01 |
mchiappero | o/ | 14:01 |
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irenab | hi | 14:01 |
apuimedo | good. Nice showing! | 14:02 |
apuimedo | #topic kuryr-lib | 14:02 |
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ltomasbo | o/ | 14:02 |
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apuimedo | #info hongbin has sent a patch for fixing the kuryr-libnetwork devref https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426644/ | 14:03 |
garyloug | o/ | 14:03 |
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apuimedo | As you can see, that patch is to openstack/kuryr, where the devref used to live. I think it is overdue that we move it to openstack/kuryr-libnetwork | 14:03 |
apuimedo | Anybody opposes that? | 14:04 |
apuimedo | (my proposal is to merge this patch and then move the content) | 14:04 |
irenab | +1 | 14:04 |
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janonymous | o/ | 14:05 |
limao | +1 | 14:05 |
mchiappero | +1 | 14:05 |
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yedongcan | agree | 14:05 |
apuimedo | good | 14:06 |
apuimedo | anybody volunteers? | 14:06 |
apuimedo | :P | 14:06 |
mchiappero | -1 | 14:06 |
mchiappero | :P | 14:06 |
alraddarla | I can do it | 14:07 |
apuimedo | great! | 14:07 |
apuimedo | thanks | 14:07 |
apuimedo | #action alraddarla to move the kuryr-libnetwork devref to openstack/kuryr-libnetwork | 14:08 |
apuimedo | good | 14:08 |
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apuimedo | #action apuimedo, limao, irenab to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427533/ | 14:08 |
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apuimedo | Anything else about kuryr-lib? | 14:09 |
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apuimedo | good. Moving on! | 14:10 |
apuimedo | #topic kuryr-libnetwork | 14:10 |
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apuimedo | #info There's been some work on optimizing the subnetpool handling https://review.openstack.org/420610 and https://review.openstack.org/427923 | 14:12 |
apuimedo | It's a really good thing | 14:12 |
apuimedo | There's a good number of patches to improve kuryr-libnetwork this week. I think that after these subnetpool and tag patches that are posted we should cut a release and branch out Ocata | 14:13 |
apuimedo | #action apuimedo limao vikas and irenab to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kuryr-libnetwork | 14:13 |
apuimedo | Do you agree on having these in for branching ocata and cutting a release? | 14:14 |
* apuimedo looking for feedback on things that we may need to wait for or things we should delay | 14:14 | |
irenab | apuimedo: I am not sure, but seems we may missed the proper dates: http://git.net/ml/openstack-dev/2017-01/msg00317.html | 14:14 |
apuimedo | irenab: AFAIK we are not bound to official release dates since we are release-independent | 14:15 |
irenab | apuimedo: great, then its ok | 14:15 |
apuimedo | #action apuimedo to check with openstack/release if we can cut an ocata branch at a later date | 14:15 |
apuimedo | This, of course, would mark the first time that we cut a release branch and backport fixes | 14:16 |
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apuimedo | If anybody wants to volunteer to be handle the first line of reviews for kuryr-libnetwork backports it will be great | 14:17 |
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apuimedo | Anything else on kuryr-libnetwork? | 14:17 |
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apuimedo | very well. Moving on! | 14:18 |
apuimedo | I can feel people are waiting for the coming section | 14:18 |
apuimedo | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:19 |
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apuimedo | #info the first patch for Kubernetes ClusterIP services support has been approved and is being merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427440/ | 14:20 |
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apuimedo | #info One or two more patches are still expected for having functional Kubernetes ClusterIP services backed by neutron-lbaasv2 | 14:20 |
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apuimedo | ivc_: can you describe a bit the remaining patches that are coming up? | 14:21 |
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ivc_ | apuimedo sure | 14:21 |
apuimedo | thanks | 14:21 |
ivc_ | there are 2 parts left from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376045/ | 14:21 |
apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376045/ | 14:22 |
ivc_ | the driver and the Endpoints handler | 14:22 |
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apuimedo | very well | 14:23 |
apuimedo | looking forward to them | 14:23 |
ivc_ | for clarity it would probably make sense to keep them separate | 14:23 |
apuimedo | Agreed | 14:23 |
ivc_ | to avoid really huge patches ofc | 14:23 |
apuimedo | yes, let's be benevolent towards reviewers :-) | 14:24 |
ivc_ | but the problem with that is that you wont be able to verify the first patch | 14:24 |
apuimedo | of course | 14:24 |
apuimedo | it's the price to pay. Gerrit should have whole branch merge at once | 14:25 |
apuimedo | but oh well. Maybe some day | 14:25 |
irenab | ivc_: you can keep patches dependant | 14:25 |
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apuimedo | #info ltomasbo has been driving work on resource pools with a spec https://review.openstack.org/427681 and a basic implementation of Port resource reutilization https://review.openstack.org/426687 | 14:26 |
ivc_ | irenab yes but what im saying is if i add driver first there's no code that would use it | 14:26 |
apuimedo | irenab: I meant more for testing and CI | 14:26 |
apuimedo | there was some discussion on the channel on the merit of the resource management approach between ivc_ and ltomasbo | 14:27 |
ltomasbo | apuimedo, I'm still working on that patch | 14:28 |
ivc_ | ltomasbo the patch or the devref? | 14:28 |
ltomasbo | and I believem the advantage for the nested case will be larger | 14:28 |
apuimedo | ivc_: was arguing for an increased focus on reutilization of the already bound and set up ovs devices | 14:28 |
apuimedo | while the patch currently is optimizing for Neutron interactions | 14:28 |
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ltomasbo | as the port is plugged to the VM and attached as a subport, so it will only be to link the veth to the VM vnic | 14:28 |
* apuimedo trying to fill in onlookers, please correct if I misrepresented it | 14:29 | |
ltomasbo | on the patch, I will also update the devref | 14:29 |
ivc_ | i'm still confident we need to delay this optimisation until we get daemon/exec split | 14:29 |
apuimedo | ltomasbo: IIUC in the nested case, it will only be about creating a new vlan device (and then updating the subport name), is that right? | 14:29 |
ltomasbo | my idea is to have a pool of subports, already with their own vlan | 14:30 |
ltomasbo | and then it is just a matter of linking the container to an already available subport/vlan | 14:30 |
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ltomasbo | so, it will be just changing subport name | 14:30 |
hongbin | o/ | 14:30 |
ivc_ | ltomasbo have you performed any benchmarks? | 14:30 |
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ltomasbo | trying to, but I need a bigger machine | 14:30 |
apuimedo | ivc_: that may be. I wonder if even without the split we can reuse the bound devices and save the ovs agent dance | 14:31 |
ltomasbo | but I'll definitely do | 14:31 |
ivc_ | ltomasbo it would be nice to have some profiling details before we start optimising | 14:31 |
irenab | ivc_: did you do some profiling? | 14:31 |
apuimedo | hongbin: nice to see you. We'll do the fuxi section after this one (thanks for the kuryr-libnetwork work, we already talked about it earlier) | 14:31 |
ivc_ | irenab a bit | 14:31 |
ltomasbo | yes, but it will be also dependant on the concurrence of port creation | 14:32 |
hongbin | apuimedo: ack | 14:32 |
ivc_ | on a devstack env running inside vm | 14:32 |
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ltomasbo | we have measure some delays of up to 10 seconds when creating several ports in parallel, around 10 | 14:32 |
irenab | ivc_: so you see the RPC part is more meaningful than neutron api calls? | 14:32 |
apuimedo | which brings me to | 14:32 |
apuimedo | we should really get this in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422946/ | 14:32 |
ivc_ | irenab from what i've seen the call to neutron's port_create takes much less time than the polling for status==ACTIVE | 14:33 |
apuimedo | ivc_: Since I prefer you to work on the driver and handler service patches, mind if I take over that patch and address irenab's comments? | 14:33 |
ivc_ | irenab but port_create also degrades as you increase the number of concurrent requests | 14:33 |
apuimedo | ivc_: it degrades a lot | 14:34 |
apuimedo | that's why batch creation will be useful | 14:34 |
ivc_ | yup | 14:34 |
irenab | sounds like both optimizations are useful | 14:34 |
ltomasbo | and even more for subports... | 14:34 |
ltomasbo | yep, I agree on that | 14:34 |
apuimedo | ltomasbo: I'd say, even more for non vlan-aware-VMs pod-in-VM, IIRC the worst perf was when you do a lot of calls to add allowed-address-pairs | 14:35 |
apuimedo | irenab: they are. I agree though that the order matters | 14:35 |
apuimedo | and we should be looking to perform the split soon | 14:35 |
ivc_ | but optimising vif binding later will require a bit different approach than optimising port_create with pooling now | 14:35 |
ivc_ | so my point is generally about not wasting time on pool now and wait until we can do both optimisations | 14:36 |
apuimedo | ivc_: I favor working on both parts of the spec | 14:36 |
ivc_ | which requires the split | 14:36 |
irenab | I suggest to finilize the next optimization step over the devref that ltomasbo proposed | 14:36 |
ltomasbo | apuimedo, in pod in vms you need to call allowed-address-pairs, but in vlan-aware-vms you need to call attach_subport | 14:36 |
apuimedo | ivc_: I don't think working on the devref is wasting time | 14:36 |
ivc_ | irenab yes, but the patch could wait | 14:36 |
ltomasbo | so, similar I assume | 14:37 |
apuimedo | and the patch is sorta PoC | 14:37 |
ivc_ | apuimedo irenab ltomasbo also i think that should not be a devref, but rather a spec | 14:37 |
irenab | ivc_: for split, optimization? | 14:37 |
ivc_ | followed by bp | 14:37 |
apuimedo | ltomasbo: I'm more comfortable batching attach_subport than I am with allowed_address-paris | 14:37 |
ivc_ | irenab for optimisation | 14:37 |
apuimedo | *pairs | 14:37 |
ltomasbo | apuimedo, sure! | 14:38 |
irenab | apuimedo: ivc_ ltomasbo do you want to set some chat to converge on the optimization? | 14:38 |
ivc_ | irenab sure | 14:39 |
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ltomasbo | ok | 14:39 |
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apuimedo | I think we all agree on what needs to be done. It's a bit of a matter of setting priorities | 14:39 |
irenab | of course anyone else who is willing to join is more than welcome | 14:40 |
apuimedo | split before or split after | 14:40 |
apuimedo | basically | 14:40 |
apuimedo | I'll send an invite | 14:40 |
irenab | apuimedo: thanks | 14:40 |
ivc_ | we had that planned long ago, i just did not expect someone to start working on it that early :) | 14:40 |
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apuimedo | ivc_: people scratch their own itch when it itches | 14:40 |
apuimedo | :P | 14:41 |
irenab | lets just kmake sure there is an alignment | 14:41 |
ivc_ | true | 14:41 |
apuimedo | #action apuimedo to send an invite to a video meeting about resource management to mailing list | 14:41 |
apuimedo | changing topics a bit | 14:41 |
apuimedo | I've been researching on external access to services | 14:42 |
apuimedo | particularly the load balancer type | 14:42 |
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apuimedo | I'll send a proposal soon. The idea is to make ivc_'s service handler allocate a fip and annotate for it | 14:42 |
apuimedo | and have the existing k8s openstack cloudprovider add an option to use kuryr netowrking, which means it will jsut wait for the annotation and report it | 14:43 |
irenab | apuimedo: fip for vip? | 14:43 |
apuimedo | irenab: fip, the vip is already handled by ivc_'s code | 14:43 |
irenab | allocate fip for vip? | 14:44 |
apuimedo | I've been trying to reach Angus Lees on #openstack-containers without success, I'll try email | 14:44 |
apuimedo | irenab: that's right | 14:44 |
irenab | apuimedo: try k8s slack | 14:44 |
apuimedo | irenab: right. I'll check if he's there | 14:44 |
apuimedo | thanks | 14:44 |
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irenab | https://kubernetes.slack.com/messages/sig-openstack/ | 14:44 |
apuimedo | I've also been investigating on openshift router pod, which gives routed access to services | 14:45 |
apuimedo | I think it gives a nice alternative (or at least some food for thought) | 14:45 |
apuimedo | basically what it does is have a pod that loadbalances the access to the endpoints | 14:46 |
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apuimedo | this way (although not with openshift's impl) one can work around the udp limitations | 14:46 |
ivc_ | apuimedo loadbalances how? | 14:46 |
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apuimedo | ivc_: openshift uses haproxy, so it's a no for UDP | 14:46 |
apuimedo | but it checks the endpoints itself | 14:46 |
apuimedo | the one they have is just for http and https | 14:47 |
mchiappero | irenab: cannot access | 14:47 |
apuimedo | so you only need one fip for all the services | 14:47 |
apuimedo | it resolves based on service name | 14:47 |
apuimedo | fqdn | 14:47 |
ivc_ | apuimedo that reminds me of haproxy we have in LBaaS | 14:47 |
apuimedo | which is interesting | 14:47 |
apuimedo | (and could be useful for ingress controllers) | 14:47 |
apuimedo | anyway, for udp I suppose you'd do something like ipvs on a pod | 14:47 |
irenab | mchiappero: you should register from here: http://slack.k8s.io/ | 14:47 |
mchiappero | irenab: thanks | 14:48 |
irenab | sorry, need to leave | 14:48 |
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apuimedo | irenab: thanks for joining | 14:49 |
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apuimedo | ivc_: anyway, this was basically a food for thought | 14:49 |
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apuimedo | since we may have users that don't want a full FIP for a service, and sharing load balancers brings some complications as we already discussed other times | 14:49 |
ivc_ | apuimedo i'd love to see k8s driver in octavia | 14:49 |
apuimedo | ivc_: me too | 14:50 |
apuimedo | but AFAIK nobody is driving it yet | 14:50 |
apuimedo | ivc_: I'll try to inquire about that in Atlanta | 14:50 |
apuimedo | Anything else about kuryr-kubernetes? | 14:50 |
ivc_ | apuimedo doesn't seem as if there's a lot of work to make that driver | 14:51 |
apuimedo | ivc_: with haproxy? Probably not | 14:51 |
ivc_ | yep | 14:51 |
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apuimedo | it's more about HOW | 14:51 |
ivc_ | i'd say more about WHO :) | 14:51 |
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apuimedo | in other words, I don't suppose they'd like to tie it to Kuryr, so... | 14:52 |
apuimedo | alright | 14:52 |
apuimedo | moving on | 14:52 |
apuimedo | #topic fuxi | 14:53 |
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hongbin | hi | 14:53 |
apuimedo | hongbin: sorry for the short time | 14:53 |
apuimedo | #chair hongbin | 14:53 |
openstack | Current chairs: apuimedo hongbin | 14:53 |
hongbin | np , i don't have too much to update this week | 14:53 |
hongbin | just a note that the kubernetes-fuxi proposal has been approved: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423791/ | 14:53 |
hongbin | also, at last week, contributors submitted several fixes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/fuxi | 14:54 |
hongbin | i personally mainly worked on the kuryr-libnetwork, so don't have too much at fuxi last week | 14:54 |
hongbin | apuimedo: ^^ | 14:54 |
apuimedo | thanks again for the kuryr-libnetwork work | 14:54 |
apuimedo | :-) | 14:55 |
hongbin | my pleasure | 14:55 |
apuimedo | limao: please help me review the fuxi patches | 14:55 |
apuimedo | #topic general discussion | 14:55 |
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limao | apuimedo: sure | 14:55 |
apuimedo | #info I will be posting the calendar for the VTG this week | 14:55 |
apuimedo | please check the mailing list and let me know if there are any incompatibilities | 14:56 |
alraddarla | Won't be able to join any of the PTG sessions....they are way too early in my time zone :P | 14:57 |
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apuimedo | Please remember to vote for the sessions you want to see on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kuryr_virtual_gathering_2017h1 | 14:58 |
apuimedo | alraddarla: you mean VTG | 14:58 |
apuimedo | :-) | 14:58 |
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alraddarla | yes, sorry VTG* | 14:58 |
apuimedo | alraddarla: East coast? | 14:58 |
alraddarla | :) | 14:58 |
alraddarla | central | 14:58 |
apuimedo | like hongbin maybe | 14:59 |
apuimedo | ok, I'll move it to later time | 14:59 |
apuimedo | alraddarla: but do vote | 14:59 |
apuimedo | :-) | 14:59 |
apuimedo | Very well, if there is anything else, bring it up on the channel | 14:59 |
apuimedo | Thanks to all of you for joining in the meeting! | 14:59 |
apuimedo | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 14:59:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-02-06-14.00.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-02-06-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-02-06-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
jimbaker | #startmeeting craton | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 15:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
jimbaker | #chair sigmavirus sulo jimbaker | 15:00 |
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openstack | Current chairs: jimbaker sigmavirus sulo | 15:00 |
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sigmavirus | o/ | 15:00 |
jimbaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meetings | 15:00 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, please take the chair | 15:00 |
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sigmavirus | So I'm editing the agenda now =< | 15:01 |
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sigmavirus | #topic Roll Call | 15:01 |
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jimbaker | o/ | 15:01 |
thomasem | o/ | 15:02 |
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git-harry | hi | 15:02 |
sigmavirus | hi errybody | 15:02 |
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sigmavirus | #topic Action Items from Last Meeting | 15:02 |
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sigmavirus | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-01-30-15.00.html | 15:02 |
sigmavirus | #note There were no action items apparently | 15:03 |
jimbaker | indeed | 15:03 |
sigmavirus | #topic Stand-Up | 15:03 |
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sigmavirus | #note I'll go round the channel asking folks for their updates | 15:04 |
sigmavirus | #topic Stand-Up thomasem | 15:04 |
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thomasem | Got my dev environment up and working cleanly | 15:04 |
thomasem | familiarized myself a bit with the project through patches for a couple of bugs | 15:04 |
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thomasem | I added variables support for /projects which is in review (and I believe close to ready to merge): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427777 | 15:05 |
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thomasem | I added CLI support for the existing /projects functionality in master, which is in review and has one +2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428996/ | 15:05 |
thomasem | I threw up a quick fix for a little logic bug I found this morning: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429725/ | 15:05 |
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sigmavirus | Sounds like a productive 1st week thomasem | 15:06 |
jimbaker | thomasem, thanks for that work, and sounds like some reviews to prioritize | 15:06 |
thomasem | Yep! Thanks! | 15:06 |
thomasem | As of today, wondering what I want to work on next | 15:06 |
thomasem | I filed 6 bugs over the past week | 15:06 |
thomasem | One I could quickly attack is the project admin permissions that sulo and I chatted about this morning https://bugs.launchpad.net/craton/+bug/1662199 | 15:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1662199 in craton "incorrect permissions for Projects CRUD" [Undecided,New] | 15:07 |
thomasem | And there are several others here https://bugs.launchpad.net/craton/+bugs?search=Search&field.bug_reporter=thomas-maddox | 15:07 |
jimbaker | good to look at the project with fresh eyes | 15:07 |
sigmavirus | Cool, let's discuss that later in the meeting? | 15:07 |
jimbaker | yes | 15:07 |
thomasem | Blocked by this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427032/3 for adding support for projects variables | 15:08 |
thomasem | done. :) | 15:08 |
jimbaker | thomasem, ack | 15:08 |
sigmavirus | #topic Stand-Up git-harry | 15:08 |
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git-harry | Related to the spec I put up about documenting/improving the variable API, I'm refactoring that part of the code to strip out all the duplication. This should simplify any work identified by that spec. | 15:09 |
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git-harry | Currently sorting out the tests for it and then it should be done. | 15:10 |
git-harry | done | 15:10 |
sigmavirus | #topic Stand-Up jimbaker | 15:11 |
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jimbaker | complete https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427032 (variable support in the CLI for regions, cells, hosts; demoed last week) | 15:11 |
jimbaker | minor refactoring plan for the alembic migration to better support FK, PK constraint setup, in support of | 15:12 |
jimbaker | RBAC WIP posted | 15:12 |
jimbaker | done | 15:12 |
sigmavirus | #topic Stand-Up sulo | 15:12 |
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* sigmavirus thinks sulo is here | 15:12 | |
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sulo | yes o/ | 15:13 |
sulo | if i missed that earler | 15:13 |
sulo | have a few outstanding patches that i need to finish | 15:13 |
sulo | on cli and and need to cleanup the spec (needs more reviews) | 15:13 |
sulo | but right now looking at exposing parent/child relational data | 15:13 |
sulo | in resources | 15:13 |
sulo | and in the mean time looking at making | 15:14 |
jimbaker | +1, this is very important work that toan has expressly asked for ASAP | 15:14 |
sulo | network-x related resouces more robust as well | 15:14 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: the parent/child relational data? | 15:14 |
sulo | right now it looks like sellotaped stuff a litte | 15:14 |
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sulo | all my fault ofcourse | 15:14 |
sulo | done | 15:14 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: let's discuss that when we prioritize reviews | 15:14 |
sulo | sigmavirus: so each device can have a parent device | 15:15 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, yes, the parent-child data | 15:15 |
sigmavirus | #topic Stand-Up sigmavirus | 15:15 |
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jimbaker | sulo, let's wait | 15:15 |
sulo | we are not exposing it in the rest api | 15:15 |
git-harry | jimbaker: is that requirement captured anywhere/ | 15:15 |
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jimbaker | git-harry, yes, in dusty's doc | 15:15 |
sigmavirus | I'm finishing up the client related work for pagination as well as testing it. Still trying to decide how to display pagination to the cli | 15:15 |
sigmavirus | I need to investigate how other OS clients do it and what makes sense for us | 15:16 |
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sigmavirus | I don't see Syed or Jovon in here | 15:17 |
sigmavirus | (or in #craton for that matter) | 15:17 |
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sigmavirus | #topic This Week's Priorities | 15:17 |
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sigmavirus | It seems we will want to prioritize the parent/child relationship work. It would be good to get that into a spec | 15:17 |
sulo | jimbaker: can you link the WIP for rbac ? | 15:17 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, do any such tools support some cleverness like exporting their markers to the shell, such as via eval? | 15:17 |
sigmavirus | Perhaps we should work on turning Dusty's doc into a set of specs | 15:17 |
sulo | sigmavirus: +1 | 15:18 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, first: let's put it up in an etherpad | 15:18 |
jimbaker | so it's public | 15:18 |
jimbaker | i can take as an action item | 15:18 |
sigmavirus | #action jimbaker to turn dusty's doc into an etherpad | 15:18 |
sulo | its very difficutl to look at 10 different places to see req's so let just put it in LP | 15:18 |
jimbaker | then usual breakdown into blueprints | 15:18 |
jimbaker | et | 15:18 |
jimbaker | etc | 15:18 |
thomasem | +1! | 15:18 |
sulo | dont have to be specs .. lets make LP issues that can turn into specs later ? | 15:18 |
sigmavirus | sulo: blueprints or issues work | 15:19 |
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sigmavirus | blueprints would be better if we plan to turn them into specs | 15:19 |
jimbaker | sulo, it's not directly actionable in that way - there's some overlap with completed work for example | 15:19 |
sigmavirus | we can then break down work items into individual issues like I did for pagination | 15:19 |
sulo | yeah i agree, just saying it would be nice to have it all in one place | 15:19 |
jimbaker | but we could put in as a bug or something | 15:19 |
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sigmavirus | sulo: understood | 15:20 |
jimbaker | the resolution of which is a check off - there's a spec for each req | 15:20 |
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jimbaker | or it's already done, just needs demoing | 15:20 |
jimbaker | that sort of thing | 15:20 |
jimbaker | that might be a blueprint that links to other blueprints. but in lp somehow | 15:20 |
sigmavirus | #action jimbaker once the etherpad is created, add reviewing it as a standing item to our meeting template | 15:20 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: that's possible | 15:21 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, +1 to doing this review | 15:21 |
sigmavirus | Okay, so after the parent/child prioritized work, what else is a priority | 15:21 |
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sigmavirus | thomasem: can you #link the review blocking you? | 15:21 |
thomasem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427032/3 | 15:22 |
jimbaker | antonym asked us about bulk set/get of resources and their variables last week | 15:22 |
sulo | jimbaker: is the rabc sutff posted, the wip patch ? | 15:22 |
jimbaker | sulo, no | 15:22 |
sulo | ah | 15:22 |
jimbaker | as i said, that's what i will be doing | 15:22 |
sulo | gotcha | 15:22 |
jimbaker | awesome | 15:23 |
sulo | i thought you meant you posted it to review as wip | 15:23 |
jimbaker | so back to bulk support | 15:23 |
jimbaker | sulo, i wish | 15:23 |
jimbaker | but it will be there soon enough! | 15:23 |
git-harry | bulk set == cell/region variables? | 15:23 |
jimbaker | so antonym asked us about why no update to the ansible-inventory endpoint | 15:23 |
sigmavirus | antonym: you need a batch API? do we have a user story for that? I advocated for it early on, but I assume you need it sooner rather than later | 15:23 |
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jimbaker | sigmavirus, right now it's up to work that story out | 15:24 |
jimbaker | up to us | 15:24 |
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antonym | yeah, ideally if we want to load up all of the information about a host up and keep it updated periodically it would be nice to batch it up | 15:24 |
jimbaker | or all of the hosts in a given project, that sort of thing | 15:25 |
jimbaker | we can update a host in just a couple of ops at this time, it would be straightforward to make this one op if we wanted | 15:26 |
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git-harry | So who's going to pick up the spec for this? | 15:27 |
jimbaker | so i suggested a scheme of a payload that is a list of resources to be updated/set, with json data for each | 15:27 |
jimbaker | git-harry, might be something you are interesting in working on? | 15:27 |
sigmavirus | git-harry: I can since I have some ideas around batch APIs but after pagination work is done | 15:27 |
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sigmavirus | or thomasem can work on this | 15:27 |
jimbaker | ok, so at least one volunteer. or three | 15:28 |
jimbaker | :) | 15:28 |
thomasem | Happy to | 15:28 |
jimbaker | some stepping up, others being volunteered :) | 15:28 |
sigmavirus | As meeting chair, it's my job to voluntell | 15:28 |
thomasem | Oh. Well, either way. It'd be exploratory and educational for me. | 15:28 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, +1 | 15:28 |
sigmavirus | #action git-harry and thomasem should decide who will write the spec | 15:29 |
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thomasem | Hahahaha | 15:29 |
sigmavirus | hashtag helping | 15:29 |
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thomasem | I propose a Sicilian battle of wits. | 15:30 |
sigmavirus | Okay, with thomasem's blocking review, what else do we have? | 15:30 |
sigmavirus | thomasem: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line | 15:30 |
jimbaker | git-harry, thomasem, should be straightforward for say PUT. i assume it gets more interested once we bring in pagination and presumably JSON PATCH | 15:30 |
thomasem | Yeah | 15:30 |
sigmavirus | Also a batch API will need the ability to check the status since it will be an async create | 15:31 |
sigmavirus | Having a response held up while we create 700 devices would be ridiculous | 15:31 |
thomasem | Very much so | 15:31 |
sigmavirus | #action sigmavirus to update pagination API work to add functional tests now that sulo's work has landed | 15:32 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, ahh, interesting detail. we have pushed async out of the craton api server until now | 15:32 |
jimbaker | eg using something like taskflow for workflow support | 15:32 |
sigmavirus | #action sigmavirus to finish up testing on cli | 15:32 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: well the server (especially given how we're "deploying" it in our docker container) will not be able to handle this synchronously | 15:32 |
sigmavirus | Nor would anyone expect a batch API to return anything other than a 202 | 15:33 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, i would assume that no one would deploy the api server as it is in that docker container | 15:33 |
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jimbaker | or Dockerfile setup to be precise | 15:33 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: that's a mighty big assumption | 15:33 |
thomasem | Yeah. Actually, when did we want me to start working on, like, docker-compose and such for that? | 15:33 |
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sigmavirus | thomasem: that won't belong in craton itself | 15:33 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, that's why thomasem has been looking at the right deployment scheme | 15:34 |
jimbaker | code is fine. it's just a matter of proper deployment | 15:34 |
git-harry | wouldn't that live in openstack-ansible? | 15:34 |
sigmavirus | git-harry: so openstack-ansible is going to deploy its own dependency? | 15:34 |
thomasem | sigmavirus: I had this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/craton/+spec/docker-compose-dev-environment | 15:34 |
jimbaker | exactly. it's going to be a recommended setup, maybe using docker compose. but something robust | 15:34 |
thomasem | as well | 15:35 |
jimbaker | and no dependency on ansible | 15:35 |
jimbaker | or at least not OSA | 15:35 |
sigmavirus | thomasem: if we're only using compose for dev that's fine | 15:35 |
git-harry | sigmavirus: in terms of the way it's deployed I would expect support to want it consistent. | 15:35 |
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sigmavirus | That said, I'd expect actual priorities to.. y'know.. take priority | 15:35 |
thomasem | Right | 15:35 |
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sigmavirus | git-harry: it's a chicken and egg problem | 15:36 |
thomasem | Alright, so, if I'm supposed to be looking at deployment schemes, where do we really want to start with that? A spec? | 15:36 |
sigmavirus | thomasem: production deployment schemes? That should be docs only | 15:36 |
git-harry | sigmavirus: an OSA role can stand alone so not really. | 15:37 |
sigmavirus | craton itself shouldn't also have the code to deploy it, just the documented architecture | 15:37 |
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thomasem | sigmavirus: okay, cool. I'll throw together a BP (if one doesn't exist) to address that and get us something to iterate on as a suggested deployment. | 15:37 |
sulo | so whats the priority list again ? I missed what priority items we decided to work on now | 15:38 |
sigmavirus | sulo: I don't think we've decided on much honestly | 15:38 |
thomasem | #action thomasem to create BP, with initial thoughts, regarding suggested production deployment documentation | 15:38 |
sigmavirus | We keep getting bogged down in details | 15:38 |
sulo | lets decide that ... i think that becoming more and more important and pressing | 15:38 |
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jimbaker | +100 | 15:38 |
jimbaker | cannot go production unless we finalize these details. but | 15:39 |
jimbaker | we have a very simple architecture | 15:39 |
sigmavirus | (Until we add the workflow engine) | 15:39 |
jimbaker | from what needs to be deployed | 15:39 |
sigmavirus | =P | 15:39 |
thomasem | hah, yeah. workflow is going to be the meaty part | 15:39 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, yes, but even then, we have had discussions of simplifying that deployment as well | 15:40 |
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thomasem | Can anyone point me to this discussion? | 15:40 |
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jimbaker | thomasem, over on #craton presumably | 15:40 |
jimbaker | but in a nutshell, this is having workers take advantage of containers | 15:41 |
sigmavirus | So for *this week* | 15:41 |
git-harry | there is a spec | 15:41 |
sigmavirus | Parent/child relation work? | 15:41 |
jimbaker | sulo, want to elaborate | 15:41 |
jimbaker | ? | 15:41 |
sulo | parent/child ? | 15:41 |
jimbaker | so the schema captures | 15:42 |
sigmavirus | I'm asking if we want to prioritize that for *this week* (sorry for the ambiguity) | 15:42 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, it is the highest priority item for this week | 15:42 |
sulo | yes, i am looking at it this week, will create appropriate spec | 15:42 |
sigmavirus | #info Parent/Child Relationship work is the highest priority work for this week | 15:42 |
sigmavirus | After that then, we have ... what? | 15:43 |
sulo | the whole thing depends on how involved we want this for networking deivices | 15:43 |
sulo | thats what i am looking at today | 15:43 |
jimbaker | sigmavirus, that would be finishing up the WIP for resource setters we demoed | 15:43 |
sulo | for devices its pretty simple each device has parent_id | 15:43 |
sulo | but if we want to draw "cab view" | 15:43 |
sulo | then it goes into networking devices | 15:43 |
jimbaker | and then RBAC published as WIP | 15:43 |
sigmavirus | #info After Parent/Child Relationship work, finishing up resource setters work is the highest priority | 15:44 |
sulo | how netwoks connect to devices ot interfaces etc | 15:44 |
sulo | anyway will create spec accordingly | 15:44 |
jimbaker | sulo, thanks | 15:44 |
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jimbaker | even something simple that shows this working will be helpful for being demoable this week | 15:44 |
sigmavirus | Okay, then what? | 15:45 |
jimbaker | in terms of being demoable? it will allow us to better understand the problem, and to see if that would work for toan, antonym, and others | 15:47 |
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git-harry | jimbaker: do you have to give another demo soon? | 15:47 |
git-harry | is there a deadline you are working towards for these tasks? | 15:47 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: I'm talking this week's priorities still | 15:47 |
jimbaker | git-harry, toan asked for parent/child for this week | 15:47 |
sulo | wait, that just one priority item, what are other items | 15:48 |
sigmavirus | sulo: we have two so far | 15:48 |
sigmavirus | Parent/Child & The setters work from the demo | 15:48 |
sulo | and RBAC ? | 15:48 |
sulo | there is demo ? | 15:48 |
jimbaker | yes, but only parent/child is necessary for the week | 15:48 |
sigmavirus | Okay | 15:48 |
sigmavirus | So we're done with priorities then | 15:48 |
sigmavirus | Great | 15:48 |
jimbaker | that's the only thing we were explicitly asked to do. cool! | 15:49 |
sigmavirus | #topic Open Discussion | 15:49 |
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git-harry | We need a better way of tracking this stuff | 15:49 |
sulo | i am not following this ... | 15:49 |
sulo | what demo is this now ? | 15:49 |
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thomasem | Better way of tracking... priorities? Upcoming demos? | 15:49 |
thomasem | Both? | 15:49 |
jimbaker | hah! just tracking it seems | 15:49 |
thomasem | Yep. Agreed wholeheartedly. | 15:49 |
sigmavirus | sulo: the last demo, jimbaker demo'd some setters work? | 15:50 |
jimbaker | so farid is joining us tomorrow | 15:50 |
thomasem | It's a huge mental burden to try and glean it from re-reading scrollback. | 15:50 |
sigmavirus | thomasem: that's what meeting minutes are for | 15:50 |
git-harry | thomasem: everything. | 15:50 |
sigmavirus | Well we have LaunchPad for blueprints/bugs that people don't use consistently for tracking that information | 15:50 |
sigmavirus | We have Gerrit for tracking in progress reviews | 15:51 |
thomasem | I suppose I meant more for the state of things point-in-time. | 15:51 |
sulo | ok let me suggest, we track this priority items somewhere, i prefer LP .. one palce for all things | 15:51 |
sigmavirus | We don't have much for tracking what is a priority though besides the meeting minutes | 15:51 |
git-harry | sigmavirus: non of that tracks Rackspace priorities/deadlines etc | 15:51 |
jimbaker | farid will be working as the dev manager for the project, to help do things like rollups, and make sure that everyone has the info they need | 15:51 |
sigmavirus | git-harry: this is an OpenStack project. Rackspace priorities should be tracked elsewhere | 15:51 |
git-harry | sigmavirus: agreed, but given the way we are currently blurring that boundary I'm raising it here. | 15:52 |
jimbaker | it's good to track what our users expect | 15:53 |
jimbaker | rackspace, nokia, whomever | 15:53 |
git-harry | our users are Rackspace | 15:53 |
sigmavirus | And presently the only people we have who are bold enough to call themselves users are Rackspace | 15:53 |
git-harry | everyone here works for Rackspace | 15:54 |
sigmavirus | git-harry: other organizations have expressed interest | 15:54 |
git-harry | sigmavirus: sure but we're not making that distinction | 15:54 |
jimbaker | yes, and so if we start with a user-centered focus, we are good | 15:54 |
git-harry | sigmavirus: all the talk about demos, priorities etc relates to Rackspace | 15:54 |
sigmavirus | git-harry: well we're also not making it easy for them to collaborate | 15:54 |
jimbaker | git-harry, demos for rackspace only came up recently. but since they are users, there's no conflict | 15:55 |
jimbaker | everything we have been asked to do, we have already intended to work on | 15:56 |
jimbaker | it's just a question of how our users have helped us with prioritization, that's all | 15:56 |
jimbaker | and better understanding the problem | 15:56 |
jimbaker | i see no conflict here | 15:57 |
sigmavirus | jimbaker: git-harry isn't claiming conflict, he's claiming we should call this "Rackspace Craton" not "OpenStack Craton" | 15:57 |
sigmavirus | (if I understand correctly) | 15:58 |
git-harry | yes | 15:58 |
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jimbaker | i hope we can ensure it's openstack craton. that's certainly our mission here | 15:58 |
jimbaker | i heard that repeatedly stressed from all stakeholders in rackspace, fwiw | 15:59 |
jimbaker | but it's up to us to deliver! :) | 15:59 |
git-harry | It's not that Rackspace shouldn't be represented it just seems that we are using OpenStack systems to manage the Rackspace side of it. | 15:59 |
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jimbaker | let's move this discussion over to #craton | 15:59 |
jimbaker | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 15:59:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
sigmavirus | Yeah, we're out of time | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-02-06-15.00.html | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-02-06-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2017/craton.2017-02-06-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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cargonza | o/ | 16:58 |
thedac | o/ | 16:59 |
cargonza | will wait for a few mins. before I start the meeting... | 16:59 |
beisner | o/ | 17:01 |
wolsen | o/ | 17:01 |
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cargonza | lets start | 17:01 |
cargonza | #startmeeting charms | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 17:01:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cargonza. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:01 |
icey | o/ | 17:02 |
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cargonza | #topic: Review ACTIONS points from previous meeting.. | 17:02 |
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cargonza | #action: jamespage talk py27 retirement with TC as PTL | 17:03 |
cargonza | #subtopic: jamespage talk py27 retirement with TC as PTL | 17:03 |
cargonza | anyone have an update? | 17:03 |
thedac | We have people at FOSDEM/cfgmgmtcamp so we are likely to miss updates on some of these. | 17:04 |
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cargonza | ok... lets move on then... | 17:04 |
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cargonza | #subtopic: cholcombe close bugs against ceph-fs | 17:04 |
cargonza | cholcombe, any update? | 17:04 |
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cholcombe | o/ | 17:06 |
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cholcombe | cephfs-update you're waiting on? | 17:06 |
cargonza | ack | 17:07 |
cholcombe | well we have amulet tests on it | 17:07 |
cholcombe | they're passing they've landed | 17:07 |
beisner | cholcombe, reminder: need to go through this, confirm each is fix-committed, and update the bugs accordingly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-ceph-fs | 17:07 |
cholcombe | beisner, ack | 17:07 |
cholcombe | yeah there's one last thing where the layer needs to be moved under openstack | 17:08 |
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cargonza | #action: cholcombe to review https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-ceph-fs and provide update for each item. | 17:08 |
cholcombe | will do | 17:08 |
beisner | cholcombe, that'll need to be proposed ASAP in order for ceph-fs to make the freeze/release cut. | 17:08 |
cholcombe | beisner, ok i'll start on it today | 17:08 |
cargonza | cholcombe: who do you need to help you to move the layer under open stack? | 17:09 |
cholcombe | cargonza, nobody. i just need to propose the goverance and project change | 17:09 |
cargonza | ok | 17:09 |
cholcombe | same exact thing the gluster charm is going through | 17:09 |
cargonza | ok | 17:09 |
cargonza | anything else? | 17:09 |
cholcombe | i'll look through those bug reports | 17:10 |
cargonza | k thx | 17:10 |
cargonza | lets move on... | 17:10 |
cargonza | #subtopic: jamespage to send out ether pad link to list for charms planning for mon/tues of PTG week. | 17:10 |
cargonza | I think this is done... | 17:11 |
cargonza | looking for the link | 17:11 |
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cargonza | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-charms-ptg-pike | 17:12 |
cargonza | lets move on... | 17:12 |
cargonza | #subtopic: all- brainstorm PTG schedule and objectives | 17:12 |
cargonza | any thoughts? | 17:13 |
thedac | I added the openstack-loadbalancer | 17:13 |
thedac | continued discussion ^^ | 17:13 |
cargonza | thx thedac | 17:13 |
cargonza | all - please update the ether pad for topics to discuss... thx... | 17:14 |
cargonza | lets move on if nothing else... | 17:14 |
beisner | we will need to overcome the bundle vs. juju deploy vs. juju-deployer issues. i anticipate further convo needed there. | 17:14 |
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cargonza | please add it to the etherpad beisner... | 17:14 |
cargonza | thx! | 17:14 |
beisner | yep will do cargonza | 17:14 |
cargonza | #topic: STATE of Charm Development & Release | 17:15 |
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thedac | Feature freeze this Thur, 2017-02-09, @EOB and 17.02 release on 2017-02-23 | 17:15 |
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cargonza | yup! | 17:15 |
cargonza | if there is nothing else, lets move on... | 17:16 |
beisner | fyi, i'll circulate a 17.02 release checklist later this wk, as in the past. | 17:17 |
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cargonza | ok | 17:17 |
cargonza | next topic... | 17:17 |
cargonza | #topic: High Priority Bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms | 17:17 |
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cargonza | any insights? bug triage and fix should ramp up more after the 2/9, correct? | 17:19 |
beisner | generally only crit bugs get attention during freeze, correct? | 17:19 |
beisner | we just need to make sure that those are appropriately triaged. | 17:19 |
thedac | Critical bug list http://j.tinyurl.com/jdn5hbv | 17:20 |
cargonza | ack.. | 17:20 |
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cargonza | ok lets move on -- we got a plan for critical bugs... | 17:21 |
beisner | hmm, thedac cargonza - that last link misses the new charms that aren't under juju charms collection LP project | 17:21 |
cargonza | #topic: Openstack Events | 17:21 |
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cargonza | beisner, ack... lets correct it. | 17:22 |
thedac | beisner: you are right. We need a second link as it is a different LP project | 17:22 |
beisner | yep we do | 17:22 |
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thedac | openstack-charms project version: http://j.tinyurl.com/zycpvyv | 17:23 |
cargonza | ok... thx... move on? | 17:23 |
thedac | yes | 17:23 |
beisner | woot thx thedac | 17:23 |
cargonza | #topic: Openstack Events Part 2 | 17:23 |
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cargonza | Charmer Summit is happening at the moment... | 17:24 |
beisner | thedac, cargonza, cholcombe - i'll elevate any release blockers in that ceph-fs list to crit for the purpose of tracking the release work | 17:24 |
cholcombe | beisner, ok | 17:24 |
cargonza | PTG project planned on 2/20 to 2/24 | 17:24 |
cholcombe | beisner, there's a ipv6 bug that i need to solve | 17:25 |
thedac | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 17:25 |
cargonza | any other events? | 17:25 |
beisner | config mgmt camp underway right now :) | 17:26 |
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beisner | but i think we already covered that | 17:27 |
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cargonza | ok. lets move on... | 17:27 |
cargonza | #topic Open Discussion | 17:27 |
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cargonza | anyone have new or old topics to discuss? | 17:28 |
bdx | hey, hows it going all? just wondering, is there any work being done to enable nova-lxd to use a ceph based backend? | 17:28 |
cargonza | bdx, ack there is... | 17:28 |
cargonza | working it in the 17.04 release | 17:28 |
bdx | cargonza: thats awesome! mind sharing some high level details of how that will happen? | 17:29 |
cargonza | I don't have the info at the moment. rockstar is currently working the design. | 17:30 |
bdx | nice, thx | 17:31 |
cargonza | I'll see if rockstar can reach out to you or I will have some info later in the week... I'll reach out to you directly... | 17:31 |
cargonza | it would be good to see if you have a use case we need to consider also. | 17:32 |
cargonza | any other items to discuss? | 17:32 |
cargonza | ok. then... lets end the meeting | 17:33 |
cargonza | thx all! | 17:33 |
cargonza | next chair is tinwood | 17:33 |
beisner | thx cargonza | 17:33 |
cargonza | on 2/20 | 17:33 |
thedac | thanks, cargonza | 17:33 |
cargonza | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 17:33:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-02-06-17.01.html | 17:33 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-02-06-17.01.txt | 17:33 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-02-06-17.01.log.html | 17:33 |
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