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ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 1 08:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
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idan_hefetz | hi | 08:00 |
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eyalb | \o | 08:00 |
ifat_afek | hi everyone! | 08:01 |
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danoffek | Hi guys | 08:01 |
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ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | •Ocata Release | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | •Status and Updates | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | •Pike Design sessions | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | •Boston CFP | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | #topic Ocata Release | 08:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Release (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:05 | |
ifat_afek | Last week I tagged vitrage modules: | 08:05 |
ifat_afek | vitrage 1.4.0 | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | python-vitrageclient 1.1.0 | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | vitrage-dashboard 1.1.0 | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | For each module, I incremented the minor release number. A major release should be incremented only in case we break an API, which we didn’t (We modified the format of the static datasource, but in Ocata we are still supporting the old format). | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | Yesterday I added release notes for all the important features we had in Ocata. Please go over my changes and make sure I didn’t miss anything important: | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427311/ | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427130/ | 08:07 |
ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427121/ | 08:07 |
ifat_afek | Tomorrow I’m going to tag Vitrage release candidate, and ask to create stable/ocata branches | 08:07 |
ifat_afek | After that, we will be able to push to Ocata only bug fixes. The master will be used for Pike development | 08:07 |
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ifat_afek | The full Ocata schedule can be found here: | 08:08 |
ifat_afek | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 08:08 |
ifat_afek | Any comments regarding the release process? | 08:08 |
Alon | Hi Vitrage people :) | 08:08 |
ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:09 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:09 | |
ifat_afek | I sent you the new Giraffe illustration I got, but only a few responded. I assume it means the Giraffe is ok | 08:09 |
ifat_afek | ;-) | 08:09 |
ifat_afek | My updates: I was mostly busy with release issues and with Boston CFPs. | 08:10 |
ifat_afek | I did not progress with Doctor. I still need to modify Doctor’s test script so that it will test Vitrage in a similar way to the Congress test. | 08:10 |
ifat_afek | Other tasks I have for Doctor – document how Vitrage can be manually installed in OPNFV environment, and also backport the new “event post API” to Newton… as OPNFV D-release is based on OpenStack Newton. | 08:11 |
ifat_afek | Another issue is regarding Aodh. As you might have noticed, we are in continuous discussions with them about the Aodh-Vitrage integration | 08:11 |
ifat_afek | I don’t have anything to add, but if you are interested then follow the mails in this subject | 08:11 |
ifat_afek | Who else wants to update? | 08:11 |
eyalb | i will update | 08:12 |
eyalb | spec file for vitrage was merged in rdo | 08:12 |
ifat_afek | cool!!! | 08:12 |
eyalb | I uploaded also the initial spec file for the vitrage-dashboard | 08:13 |
eyalb | still need to work on it | 08:13 |
eyalb | I still need to update the rdo.yaml for newton and ocata | 08:13 |
eyalb | it fails now | 08:13 |
ifat_afek | What is the rdo.yaml? | 08:13 |
eyalb | it a yaml files that describe the version supported | 08:14 |
eyalb | it was under review for vitrage | 08:14 |
ifat_afek | Ocata is not supported yet. We will branch tomorrow | 08:14 |
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eyalb | I changed it to support ocata and newton | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | Great | 08:15 |
eyalb | thats all | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | I think we might be able to start and progress with the TripleO installation and Apex | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | At least for Doctor tests scripts, they do not need the vitrage-dashboard | 08:16 |
eyalb | I hope so :-) | 08:16 |
ifat_afek | And the installer is very important for them | 08:16 |
ifat_afek | These are great news | 08:16 |
eyalb | I finished the collectd and pushed the code | 08:16 |
eyalb | still waiting to be merged because of a gate problem | 08:17 |
ifat_afek | Updating on behalf of alexey_weyl, who can not join now: he is trying to fix the gate problem now. The problem is that we stopped getting notifications from Cinder | 08:18 |
idan_hefetz | my update | 08:18 |
idan_hefetz | I pushed some changes to the processor, allowing for interchangeable graph class for the entity graph | 08:19 |
idan_hefetz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425592/ | 08:19 |
idan_hefetz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423976/ | 08:19 |
idan_hefetz | This will allow for future additions of graph driver implementations supporting different databases. | 08:19 |
idan_hefetz | New configuration in the conf - entity_graph/graph_driver can be used, default (and currently only option) is networkx. | 08:19 |
idan_hefetz | To add more options, use the setup.cfg file and specify the desired class. | 08:19 |
ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: This is great. Hopefully we will add an alternative graph database, which is persistent, in Pike | 08:20 |
ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:20 |
Alon | I have an update... | 08:21 |
Alon | I pushed 2 days ago fix for the entities graph to show an updated alarm | 08:23 |
Alon | And we had a critical issue, that the UI wasn't functional. That was because of Horizon updated their Angular-UI botstrap xstatic package. | 08:24 |
Alon | I fixed it also | 08:24 |
Alon | That's all | 08:24 |
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ifat_afek | Alon: thanks | 08:24 |
ifat_afek | Anyone else? | 08:24 |
ifat_afek | #topic Pike Design Sessions | 08:26 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Pike Design Sessions (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:26 | |
ifat_afek | We will hold Pike Design Sessions in Israel, on the week of March 6th. You are all invited to participate and to suggest topics for the discussions | 08:26 |
ifat_afek | Per ZTE request, we will hold some of the design sessions in hours that are suitable for China, so some of our colleagues from ZTE can participate remotely. It means that the design sessions will be not only on March 6th-7th, but also on Marth 8th-9th around 7:00-9:30 UTC | 08:26 |
ifat_afek | The design session etherpad: | 08:27 |
ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-pike-design-sessions | 08:27 |
ifat_afek | Any comments regarding the design sessions? | 08:27 |
ifat_afek | #topic Boston CFP | 08:28 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Boston CFP (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:28 | |
ifat_afek | Boston CFP is still open until February 6th | 08:28 |
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ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 08:29 |
ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-boston-session-proposals | 08:29 |
ifat_afek | If you have other ideas, you can still suggest them | 08:29 |
ifat_afek | Any other issues you would like to discuss? | 08:29 |
ifat_afek | See you next week :-) | 08:31 |
danoffek | bye | 08:31 |
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idan_hefetz | thanks, bye | 08:31 |
ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:31 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:31 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 1 08:31:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-01-08.00.html | 08:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-01-08.00.txt | 08:31 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-02-01-08.00.log.html | 08:31 |
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ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 1 15:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:00 |
ramishra | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
breton | o/ | 15:00 |
cwolferh | o/ | 15:00 |
ktychkova | o/ | 15:01 |
skraynev | o/ | 15:01 |
therve | /o | 15:01 |
zaneb | o/ | 15:02 |
ramishra | my last meeting as PTL:) | 15:02 |
zaneb | therve: that looks painful | 15:02 |
ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 15:02 |
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ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282017-02-01_1500_UTC.29 | 15:02 |
therve | :) | 15:03 |
ramishra | #topic ocata-rc1 status | 15:03 |
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ramishra | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/ocata-rc1 | 15:03 |
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prazumovsky | Hi | 15:04 |
ramishra | Anything we want from these bugs before we tag rc1? | 15:04 |
ramishra | None of them look critical to me | 15:04 |
therve | They should be marked as such otherwise :) | 15:05 |
therve | So yeah I agree | 15:05 |
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ramishra | It would have been good to land https://review.openstack.org/374321 though | 15:05 |
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zaneb | bumped https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1625759 to pike-1, since it's a feature | 15:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1625759 in heat "Should be able to select external subnet for FloatingIP" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Tanvir Talukder (tanvirt16) | 15:06 |
ramishra | magnum resource renaming thing. | 15:06 |
zaneb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358106/ should be an easy one, will review after this | 15:06 |
ricolin | I will be great to land it:) | 15:06 |
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ramishra | ok, I'll wait till tomorrow, else move them to pike-1 | 15:07 |
shardy | o/ | 15:07 |
ramishra | shardy: hi | 15:08 |
skraynev | ramishra: sounds good. | 15:08 |
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skraynev | ramishra: regarding https://review.openstack.org/374321 is is just renaming? | 15:08 |
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ricolin | skraynev: For most of the resource logic, yes! | 15:09 |
ramishra | skraynev: yeah renaming and some property name changes. | 15:09 |
skraynev | ok. I will try to review it :) | 15:09 |
ramishra | ok, then let's move on | 15:09 |
skraynev | but of course you may merge it before me :) | 15:09 |
ramishra | #topic Heat support of Keystone Federated tokens | 15:09 |
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skraynev | it's mine. | 15:10 |
breton | hi | 15:10 |
breton | Federated tokens don't work in heat now when heat uses trusts | 15:10 |
breton | It happens because when user authenticates in keystone, their groups (which provide roles) are stored only in tokens. | 15:10 |
breton | there are 2 parts of the problem | 15:10 |
ramishra | skraynev: yeah we see users coming with issues on irc when they use heat with federated keystone | 15:10 |
ramishra | shardy: do you know how it should work? | 15:11 |
breton | 1. on trust creation. Keystone tries to lookup federated user's roles in the database and fails, because there is no persistent record. It is kinda solvable, we can extract groups from token and lookup the roles. | 15:11 |
skraynev | ramishra: yeah breton tries to describe the root cause :) | 15:11 |
breton | 2. On trust usage. Keystone tries to verify that trustor still has the roles that he is passing. And here it becomes bad. There is no persistent record about the federated user in the database and keystone cannot verify it. From keystone point of view, federated trustor has no roles. | 15:12 |
skraynev | ramishra: looks like we can not use trusts with fernet tokens | 15:12 |
shardy | breton: so, basically trusts don't work with Federated tokens in general, this isn't actually a heat specific issue? | 15:12 |
breton | skraynev: this is not about fernet at all | 15:12 |
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breton | the problem is there from liberty and we ran into it. | 15:12 |
breton | skraynev: yes. | 15:12 |
breton | oh | 15:13 |
breton | shardy: yes | 15:13 |
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breton | I myself work mostly on keystone, but yesterday at the meeting we decided that fixing it in keystone requires a lot of work and some controversial decisions that might create vulnerabilities. | 15:13 |
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breton | (and still maybe won't work for heat) | 15:13 |
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shardy | breton: is there some alternative model for delegation available that does work with federation? | 15:13 |
breton | so i was wondering, maybe we can do something on Heat side to work around that issue? | 15:13 |
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breton | shardy: i can't think of any | 15:14 |
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shardy | breton: what sort of workaround did you have in mind? | 15:14 |
shardy | it sounds like the problem is on the keystone side, I'm unclear how we can fix it as a consumer of trusts | 15:14 |
breton | shardy: none. I was wondering what you can suggest. | 15:14 |
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ramishra | probably a good topic at PTG along with keystone folks? | 15:15 |
shardy | breton: Hmm, I'm not sure what to suggest, heat uses trusts, and keystone broke trusts, I can't think of a heat side fix for it but we can certainly think about it :) | 15:15 |
shardy | ramishra: yeah that's a good idea, and gives us all some time to look into the issue further | 15:15 |
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zaneb | shardy: remind me why we care about the roles? | 15:16 |
shardy | breton: thanks for raising this, will you be at the PTG? | 15:16 |
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breton | shardy: yes, i will, mostly around keystone table probably | 15:16 |
shardy | zaneb: because trusts require you to specify the roles which are delegated | 15:16 |
shardy | both when creating the trust, and when consuming it | 15:16 |
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zaneb | can _we_ store that info when we create the trust? | 15:17 |
ricolin | breton: maybe we can add new session | 15:17 |
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ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-pike-ptg-sessions | 15:17 |
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shardy | zaneb: yes we can, but isn't the problem that keystone doesn't know about it, so it can't validate the list of roles? | 15:17 |
zaneb | ah, ok | 15:18 |
breton | shardy: right | 15:18 |
zaneb | breton: I don't see how that's fixable outside of keystone | 15:18 |
zaneb | even in principle? | 15:18 |
skraynev | shardy: yes, as I understand keystone can not get any information about roles for users .. | 15:18 |
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shardy | when keystone gives you a trust scoped token, it gives you a token with a list of roles (and user identity) associated with the trust ID | 15:18 |
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breton | maybe heat could do things as `heat` user with admin roles? | 15:19 |
breton | instead of imitating the user | 15:19 |
zaneb | breton: NO | 15:19 |
shardy | breton: No, because then when you e.g do autoscaling the new VMs wouldn't be owned by the users | 15:19 |
shardy | imagine the billing and security implications for a second ;) | 15:19 |
breton | ok, i was just wondering :) | 15:20 |
breton | i have little idea how heat things work :) | 15:20 |
shardy | breton: the other alternative (which heat already supports) is to use the "password" option for delegated auth, but then we store user passwords, which may change, in the heat DB | 15:20 |
shardy | which is bad | 15:20 |
zaneb | bad bad bad | 15:20 |
shardy | breton: well, honestly the problem seems to be keystone broke trusts for everyone | 15:20 |
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breton | shardy: you are right | 15:21 |
shardy | so I'm not clear what heat can do, except maybe plan to find another way to do this in the long term | 15:21 |
zaneb | breton: if you can offer us OAuth2 or something instead then we can work with that | 15:21 |
shardy | breaking stuff without deprecation is pretty uncool tho :( | 15:21 |
breton | shardy: we never broke it | 15:21 |
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breton | shardy: federation + trusts never worked :p | 15:21 |
ramishra | shardy: did they break it? | 15:21 |
ramishra | yeah it never worked | 15:21 |
shardy | zaneb: Yeah I was going to say oauth, but last time I looked you can't create delegations without a finite expiry | 15:22 |
shardy | breton: my point is you implemented a feature which broke trusts | 15:22 |
zaneb | breton: if you're telling us that only human people physically sitting in front of a keyboard can use OpenStack APIs then you need to have another think about what OpenStack is :) | 15:22 |
shardy | or at least is incompatible with it | 15:22 |
shardy | so a heat side workaround doesn't help that much, as I assume there are other users with the same problem | 15:22 |
breton | shardy: come tell that at the PTG | 15:23 |
breton | shardy: i 100% support you | 15:23 |
shardy | anyway, lets try to be constructive, I'm just frustrated that this wasn't considered before it broke us | 15:23 |
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shardy | breton: is keystone planning to deprecate trusts, or find a more general solution? | 15:24 |
zaneb | shardy: I don't know that it broke us so much as the intersection of those 2 features doesn't work | 15:24 |
breton | shardy: probably no | 15:24 |
zaneb | which imho makes federation fairly useless | 15:24 |
shardy | zaneb: yeah my point was just it's an intesection of two keystone features, heat is just a consumer of keystone | 15:25 |
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skraynev | zaneb, shardy, breton. wow. guys. let's avoid accusations. the reality is, that it does not work | 15:26 |
shardy | Ok, well sounds like we won't solve this today, let's all think about it and try to figure out a path forward at the PTG | 15:26 |
shardy | breton: thanks for raising this, be good to discuss further in atlanta | 15:26 |
ramishra | shardy: yeah, I'll add a PTG session with keystone team | 15:26 |
skraynev | and we need to communicate with keystone team and explain our point of view. and try to find solution | 15:26 |
skraynev | ramishra: thx ;) | 15:27 |
ramishra | Not sure if it would be cross-project session or we can just invite keystone guys | 15:27 |
zaneb | ramishra: +1 | 15:27 |
ricolin | ramishra: cross-project+1 | 15:27 |
zaneb | fwiw there are many other projects using trusts | 15:27 |
zaneb | aodh, mistral come to mind | 15:27 |
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ramishra | I think trusts is an important feature for not to work with federation | 15:28 |
shardy | Yeah mistral, heat, sahara, magnum | 15:28 |
shardy | I think they all use trusts | 15:28 |
ramishra | should we move on now? | 15:29 |
zaneb | sounds cross-project-ish | 15:29 |
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skraynev | ramishra: yeap | 15:29 |
ramishra | #topic PTG sessions | 15:29 |
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ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-pike-ptg-sessions | 15:30 |
ramishra | May be it's time to add some more topics:) | 15:30 |
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ricolin | the keystone cross project will be a good topic to add in | 15:30 |
ramishra | shardy anything tripleo specific we should add? | 15:31 |
ricolin | we will figure out which team going to host the session, but will be great to write down first:) | 15:31 |
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ramishra | We need 2 full days worth topics | 15:33 |
ricolin | maybe no fishbow this time? | 15:33 |
therve | ricolin, There is no such thing in the ptg | 15:33 |
therve | AFAIK | 15:34 |
zaneb | ricolin: yeah, there are no fishbowl-style sessions at the PTG | 15:34 |
ricolin | therve: great! | 15:34 |
zaneb | those still happen at the Summit | 15:34 |
ramishra | ricolin: we have a room for 2 days, we can do whatever we want | 15:34 |
shardy | ramishra: Nothing specific, but I've been wondering now we added conditions if we'll ever add a way to create repeating groups of resources natively in heat without having to nest them | 15:34 |
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ramishra | not sure how big the rooms would be though | 15:34 |
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shardy | we said no several times in the past, but tripleo now shows why folks were asking for it | 15:34 |
shardy | all the j2 loops everywhere | 15:34 |
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shardy | that may be a disscussion for the beer-track vs a formal session though | 15:35 |
ramishra | shardy: beer-track +1 | 15:36 |
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ricolin | +1 | 15:36 |
ramishra | Request all to spend some time and help finalize the sessions | 15:36 |
ramishra | moving on.. | 15:37 |
ramishra | #topic Meeting time discuss | 15:37 |
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zaneb | would it help to have a list of people who are planning to attend the PTG? | 15:37 |
ricolin | I would like to propose to move all meeting time schedule to current one | 15:38 |
ricolin | zaneb: I think foundation have it | 15:38 |
ramishra | zaneb: we can ask people to add their names to the etherpad if they are attending | 15:38 |
zaneb | ricolin: I meant we should just write in the etherpad | 15:39 |
ricolin | zaneb: Sounds great | 15:39 |
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zaneb | e.g. I suggested a session on property translation but I don't know if prazumovsky is going to be there | 15:39 |
ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-pike-ptg-sessions | 15:40 |
ricolin | I add the attendee list in it | 15:40 |
zaneb | thanks | 15:40 |
ramishra | ricolin: we don't have many APAC guys attending the 0800 meeting, so I would be +1 for having them at 1500 every week | 15:41 |
ricolin | prazumovsky: are you going to attend PTG?:) | 15:41 |
zaneb | re meeting schedule, this time wfm but I don't know about everyone | 15:41 |
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therve | I've been working on making the py3 gate works | 15:43 |
ricolin | We can alway have some other meeting or ML for APAC if we have more people would like to join and discuss | 15:43 |
therve | I think we mostly have issues in the tests now | 15:43 |
ramishra | May be ask a few other folks or start a ML thread? | 15:43 |
therve | We'll get stuck on swift soon | 15:43 |
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ramishra | therve: I had looked at it last week too | 15:43 |
ricolin | ramishra: Sure, I will send the ML out | 15:43 |
ramishra | I see some issue with cloud-init no? | 15:43 |
therve | ramishra, Yeah haven't looked at that one yet | 15:44 |
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ricolin | Let's decide through this week, if no much opposition, we will move next week's meeting to 1500 | 15:46 |
ramishra | therve: I've moved the apache job now, now that http+wsgi is the default with devstack for api services | 15:46 |
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therve | Cool | 15:46 |
ramishra | s/moved/removed in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427696/ | 15:46 |
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ramishra | #topic open discussion | 15:48 |
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ramishra | Anything else we would like to discuss? | 15:48 |
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ramishra | Next week it would be ricolin the new PTL chairing the meeting:) | 15:49 |
ramishra | ricolin: congrats! | 15:49 |
zaneb | congrats ricolin :) | 15:49 |
ricolin | Thanks guys:) | 15:49 |
shardy | congrats ricolin :) | 15:49 |
ricolin | I will try my best to be a mediator:) | 15:50 |
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ricolin | And we have a bunch of pre-PTL around! | 15:50 |
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ricolin | everything will be great:) | 15:52 |
ramishra | ok then, if there is nothing else.... | 15:52 |
ramishra | thank you all for joining | 15:53 |
ramishra | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 1 15:53:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-02-01-15.00.html | 15:53 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-02-01-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-02-01-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
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inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 1 16:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
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inc0 | #topic rollcall - w00t please | 16:00 |
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duonghq | woot o/ | 16:00 |
gema | o/ | 16:00 |
inc0 | you know what to do;) | 16:00 |
egonzalez | woot o/ | 16:00 |
sp__ | woot o/ | 16:00 |
vhosakot | o/ (sorry I missed the past 3 meetings as I had conflicts with other meeting) | 16:00 |
vhosakot | w00t | 16:00 |
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zhubingbing__ | o/ | 16:01 |
pbourke | w00t | 16:01 |
Jeffrey4l_ | o/ | 16:01 |
inc0 | vhosakot, no problem, glad to have you back | 16:01 |
zhubingbing__ | o/ | 16:01 |
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vhosakot | thanks inc0 :) | 16:01 |
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SamYaple | o/ | 16:01 |
sayantani01 | Woot | 16:01 |
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inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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inc0 | 1. ocata-3 was tagged, now we're in feature freeze and stabilizing our release | 16:02 |
inc0 | please everyone focus on testing deploy and upgrades | 16:03 |
zhubingbing__ | ok | 16:03 |
inc0 | our release is early march | 16:03 |
qwang | o/ | 16:03 |
hrw | o/ | 16:03 |
sp__ | ohhk | 16:03 |
inc0 | any community announcements? | 16:03 |
mliima_ | \o | 16:03 |
inc0 | guess not | 16:03 |
inc0 | #topic ptg schedule | 16:04 |
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SamYaple | im getting fiber | 16:04 |
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SamYaple | thats my announcement | 16:04 |
inc0 | congrats SamYaple | 16:04 |
duonghq | nice SamYaple | 16:04 |
pbourke | seed boxes available from SamYaple | 16:04 |
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SamYaple | starting at $250 a month | 16:04 |
inc0 | soo we need to plan for PTG | 16:04 |
pbourke | contact him by phone directly, his hours are between 1am and 3am | 16:04 |
inc0 | we are left with full authority how we want to split the sessions | 16:05 |
inc0 | we have room and 2 days | 16:05 |
inc0 | so we can have usual 45-15min session/break | 16:05 |
inc0 | or change it in any direction | 16:05 |
sdake | o/ | 16:05 |
inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-ocata-ptg this is our session list | 16:06 |
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krtaylor | o/ | 16:06 |
inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-pike-ptg-schedule lets put actual schedule here | 16:06 |
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sdake | inc0 i like the 40 minut esessiosn with 10 or20 minutes breaks | 16:07 |
sdake | keeps people fresh | 16:07 |
sdake | do you know the hours of the ptg so we can make a rough schedule of the times and then sort out what goees where enxt? | 16:07 |
inc0 | I'm not sure how lunch will look like so we probably just push sessions in time of lunch | 16:08 |
hrw | and enough time to discuss after talk + manage to get to next one | 16:08 |
inc0 | I'll figure that one out | 16:08 |
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sdake | hey hrw | 16:08 |
sdake | thanks for getting that answered inc0 | 16:08 |
inc0 | sdake, we can start/end however we want afaik | 16:08 |
inc0 | hrw, well, all our talks are in same room | 16:08 |
sdake | inc0 I know we can manage our own schedule I wasn't sure if the facilities at a start or end time | 16:08 |
hrw | inc0: ;) | 16:08 |
inc0 | we just get a room | 16:08 |
sdake | right- although if we don't set a strict schedule we will overrun topics | 16:09 |
inc0 | and if you want to move to different room, I can't promise that our sessions will be in sync | 16:09 |
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* hrw is not going to PTG | 16:09 | |
sdake | and some topics will get less time while others will get more | 16:09 |
inc0 | sdake, I asked ttx and he's not sure either, but that's a hotel so I don't expect to have too much problems either way | 16:09 |
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gema | not sure where exactly to add the ARM64 topic | 16:09 |
gema | under deliverable? | 16:09 |
inc0 | not like we want to stay for hours | 16:09 |
inc0 | into night | 16:09 |
sdake | inc0 cool - so 9am-5pm then? | 16:09 |
sdake | gema we are not to that point in our agenda yet :) | 16:10 |
gema | sdake: lol, ok | 16:10 |
inc0 | sdake, how about we plan for 8 sessions a day and I'll figure out hours when we get lunch info and stuff? | 16:10 |
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gema | I was looking at the PTG list of topics :D | 16:10 |
sdake | gema im not sure if that is on the agenda -a t present we are talking about ptg agenda | 16:10 |
sdake | inc0 cool | 16:10 |
sdake | inc0 we can adjust from there | 16:10 |
sdake | icn0 before making the final schedule are we going to vote or make up the voting or what on the sessionss we wnt to have | 16:11 |
inc0 | gema, frankly I'd keep arm out of full ptg agenda, unless you feel it's 40min worth of talking | 16:11 |
sdake | (not beinga pita, just want to understnad how we transfer the first etherpad to the second) | 16:11 |
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gema | inc0: probably won't need 40 mins, I will grab you all one by one at coffee time and ask questions, you are right :D | 16:11 |
inc0 | I'd like to have plenty of time for random open convos there | 16:11 |
hrw | inc0: do s/arm64/all-non-x86-archs/ and it makes sense | 16:12 |
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inc0 | hrw, well, yes and no, it will be same thing with more. Once we'll figure out how to add arm | 16:12 |
inc0 | with gema | 16:12 |
hrw | inc0: there is ppc64le patch for kolla already in review. I have ppc64le+aarch64 one based on review one | 16:12 |
inc0 | we can add stuff like that later too | 16:12 |
sdake | we have 16 time slots, lets select which of the 15 we want | 16:13 |
sdake | 16 rather | 16:13 |
inc0 | we'll talk about this, I promise, just can't promise we'll make full fledged session out of it | 16:13 |
inc0 | schedule is pretty tight as it is;) | 16:13 |
sdake | i am going to ordered number the first etherpad only for counting purposes | 16:14 |
inc0 | I'd like to have split between kolla + kolla-ansible / kolla-k8s in about 50:50 if you agree | 16:14 |
sdake | gema add to end of the ptg schedule in the firstetherpad so we can see how many sessions we have | 16:14 |
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inc0 | that will put our stable deliverables at a bit of disadvantage, but I just feel we need more design time for k8s | 16:15 |
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gema | the first etherpad being the ocata one? | 16:15 |
inc0 | gema, yeah, I messed up naming:P | 16:15 |
sdake | you mean 50% for kolla+kolla-ansible and 50% for kolla-k8s? | 16:15 |
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inc0 | yes | 16:16 |
inc0 | we can do 1 day for k8s and 1 day for ansible | 16:16 |
inc0 | + docker | 16:16 |
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inc0 | so people with only one interesest can work their schedule better | 16:16 |
inc0 | although I'd expect most people from kolla-k8s to be interested in at least kolla images;) | 16:16 |
inc0 | thoughts guys? agree? disagree? | 16:17 |
gema | +1 | 16:17 |
sdake | agreed inc0 | 16:17 |
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egonzalez | +1 | 16:18 |
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srwilkers | +1 | 16:18 |
sdake | ok - so we have 29 sessions planned and 18 slots | 16:18 |
inc0 | ok, so let's make Monday kolla-k8s and Tue kolla-ansible | 16:18 |
zhubingbing__ | +1 | 16:18 |
sdake | we either need to select out 11 sessions or select in 18 :) | 16:18 |
sp__ | +1 | 16:18 |
inc0 | since cross-project will be more interested in latter | 16:18 |
sdake | some of these may be duplicates as well | 16:19 |
sdake | inc0 i liked thevoting you did in the past on the session interest | 16:19 |
sdake | inc0 although we can't wait 2 weeks for results, woudl you be willing to set that up with a short timer? | 16:19 |
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sdake | inc0 the oting i used as ptl was pretty terrible :) | 16:19 |
sdake | otingvoting | 16:20 |
inc0 | well, I'm not too sure about that, I'd like kolla-k8s community to decide what is important for them | 16:20 |
inc0 | rather than open voting | 16:20 |
gema | are they not here? | 16:20 |
inc0 | and kolla+kolla-ansible doesn't have that many sessions proposed | 16:20 |
sdake | ok so next step then given that thinking is to divide the sessions between kolla-ansible and kolla-kubernetes | 16:20 |
sdake | so we have a full count of which deliverable should vote(?) on which sessions and what our capacity looks like | 16:21 |
sdake | sorry little slow - just woke up | 16:21 |
inc0 | 9 sessions in kolla-k8s | 16:22 |
inc0 | I'm not going to make vote just to cast out one:P | 16:22 |
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inc0 | anyway, sdake since I don't think we have quorum for kolla-k8s sessions right now, let's focus on day 2 | 16:24 |
inc0 | so we have 20 sessions proposed total, not all of them I think are valid | 16:24 |
sdake | inc0 cool if there are only 9 sessions on kolla-k8s we cna sort that out eaisly | 16:25 |
inc0 | some can be squashed to one session | 16:25 |
sdake | the other 19 sessiosn need to fit into 8 slots then? | 16:25 |
inc0 | yeah, but if we need to refactor it | 16:26 |
inc0 | so let's make 15min timeslot and try to squash/limit number of choices | 16:26 |
inc0 | as some of sessions aren't described in any way and such | 16:27 |
inc0 | let's work on that till 8:45 please | 16:27 |
inc0 | don't delete, crossline | 16:27 |
sdake | inc0 sounds good - woud lyou mind moving the k8s sessions to one location and the ansible session to another location | 16:27 |
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sdake | I thnk the kolla deliverable sessions are cross-project for kolla so we can share timeslots there | 16:28 |
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sdake | inc0 or is it already organized that way | 16:28 |
srwilkers | is this the kolla-ptg-pike etherpad, or did i miss a link earlier at the start? | 16:29 |
inc0 | I found at least one duplicate | 16:30 |
inc0 | no, srwilkers https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-ocata-ptg <- lets' work on this one | 16:30 |
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berendt | o/ | 16:35 |
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inc0 | sooo....the way I see it | 16:40 |
sdake | ok made a cross-through chane to 5 | 16:40 |
sdake | about the language process | 16:40 |
sdake | please discuss with yoru flame suits on :) | 16:40 |
sdake | inc0 just trying to shed non-essential topics if possible | 16:40 |
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jascott1 | is after hours BOF a thing? | 16:41 |
inc0 | yeah, so way I see it, I'd add docs session, separation of deliverables session and all of kolla-ansible and kolla | 16:41 |
inc0 | that makes it 10 | 16:42 |
inc0 | so we'd need to drop 2 or maybe canibalize one session from Monday, or have a 9-session days | 16:42 |
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inc0 | we can have few 20min ones and few 40min ones | 16:42 |
inc0 | like docs, important topic but we didnt consume full 40min last time | 16:43 |
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inc0 | or do just that, put a sessions in waitlist and if we feel we've finished topic, we can just jump to waitlisted one | 16:43 |
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sdake | inc0 the docs session could go in the community area | 16:44 |
sdake | 9 session days with a little less breaks sounds good | 16:44 |
sdake | does the math work out there? | 16:44 |
inc0 | we don't really have 'community' area:P | 16:44 |
* portdirect agile mumble mumble | 16:45 | |
sdake | inc0 #1, #2 on the ehterpad | 16:45 |
sdake | at the top | 16:45 |
inc0 | I mean time-wise | 16:46 |
sdake | starts line 23 | 16:46 |
sdake | inc0 i got it | 16:46 |
sdake | i mean put it in that bucket | 16:46 |
inc0 | unless we use first day for it | 16:46 |
inc0 | but again, I want to give lot of time to k8s | 16:46 |
sdake | so docs can be added to line 23 | 16:46 |
sdake | doccs are important to koll-kubernetes and kolla-ansible, we could spend some time on that I think as a larger project | 16:47 |
sdake | rather group of people | 16:47 |
* sdake can't form sentences today | 16:47 | |
sdake | 3 hours of sleep will do that to ya | 16:47 |
inc0 | ok, executive order, since these are popular lately | 16:47 |
gema | lol | 16:47 |
inc0 | let's put docs and separation to Monday | 16:47 |
inc0 | as both are closely related to k8s | 16:47 |
sdake | zomg - exedcutive orders need to go in the us :) | 16:47 |
inc0 | especially separation | 16:48 |
vhosakot | team, I'd like to contribute to one of the k8s bp's. I'm chekcing https://launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+milestone/0.5.0 and will pick a bp. I'm deploying kolla-k8s now and will ask questions in IRC if I have any questions :) | 16:48 |
sdake | inc0 ok that sounds reasonable - rather then an executive order its more like a general agreement :) | 16:48 |
sdake | vhosakot we are sorting out the ptg | 16:48 |
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inc0 | but that wouldn't allow me to make a political joke | 16:48 |
sdake | politics and religion :) | 16:48 |
sdake | vhosakot can we discuss that after the meeting or in the opens | 16:49 |
gema | inc0: we may have to do the meetings at the airport for all we know ;) | 16:49 |
inc0 | so if we put these 2 to Monday | 16:49 |
inc0 | we can put all the remaining kolla+kolla-ansible to tuesda | 16:49 |
inc0 | y | 16:49 |
sdake | inc0 can you move the two around your talkingabout the tema can see it | 16:49 |
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inc0 | let me write draft of schedule and you can see what I mean | 16:50 |
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vhosakot | sdake: sure, thanks sdake | 16:50 |
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inc0 | there ya go. | 16:52 |
inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-pike-ptg-schedule | 16:52 |
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inc0 | ok, we're running out of time | 16:53 |
sdake | inc0 looking good there! | 16:53 |
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inc0 | let's pick it up next week | 16:53 |
sdake | i htink we need ot figure out the 6 slots for kolla-kubernetes | 16:53 |
sdake | inc0 sounds good | 16:53 |
inc0 | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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inc0 | let's have at least few minutes for it | 16:53 |
sdake | gema up next? | 16:53 |
sdake | or vhosakot ? | 16:54 |
gema | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/multiarch-and-arm64-containers | 16:54 |
gema | just wanted to share that and ask for reviews/comments | 16:54 |
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hrw | I have to make some arm64 images locally and then get kolla working on it | 16:54 |
gema | I am sure I am missing stuff we need to do | 16:54 |
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vhosakot | sure sdake yeah, I've playing with minikube, so, just wanted to contribute to kolla-k8s and help finish some important bp's for the team | 16:54 |
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sdake | gema i arbitrarly changed the priority to high | 16:54 |
gema | sdake: thanks! | 16:54 |
sdake | changed to discussion - which alllows peopel to discuss it | 16:55 |
inc0 | vhosakot, so currently best think you can do is to help sdake prepare devenv;) | 16:55 |
gema | sdake: we'll treat it as such anyway | 16:55 |
sp__ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/coverage-increment-for-kolla implementation completed need review | 16:55 |
hrw | 4 files changed, 45 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) | 16:55 |
inc0 | amirite? | 16:55 |
hrw | that's whole ppc64le+arm64 base support ;D | 16:55 |
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sdake | gema right - the priority typicallly matches the priority of the contributors | 16:55 |
egonzalez | hrw: cool | 16:55 |
sdake | and i got impression you had a high priority for it | 16:55 |
gema | sounds good | 16:55 |
vhosakot | inc0: sure, is that a kolla-k8s devenv? | 16:55 |
gema | sdake: yep | 16:55 |
inc0 | hrw, and you wanted 40min to discuss it?:P | 16:55 |
sdake | gema work items need more detail - i'll leave a note in the discussion | 16:55 |
hrw | egonzalez: used hacksaw on ppc64le one ;D | 16:55 |
gema | sdake: great, thanks | 16:55 |
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hrw | inc0: haha | 16:56 |
vhosakot | I'll ask questions in the main channel.. thanks for the help! | 16:56 |
sdake | inc0 did you aprove that with kolla-drivers? | 16:56 |
gema | inc0: he won't even be there, it'll be yibo and myself | 16:56 |
sdake | inc0 or was that someone else | 16:56 |
sp__ | sdake: please review for the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/coverage-increment-for-kolla | 16:56 |
inc0 | no worries, but it seems like pretty straightforward thing | 16:56 |
sdake | sp__ anyone can review blueprints :) | 16:56 |
sdake | sp__ that blueprint is in needs code review state | 16:57 |
sp__ | sdake: thanks will ask someone | 16:57 |
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sdake | sp__ so I think you are ready to go from a core reviewer POV | 16:57 |
inc0 | sdake, I can't remember who approved it, but I would | 16:57 |
sp__ | sdake: yes | 16:57 |
sdake | inc0 use kolla-drivers from now on? | 16:57 |
sdake | inc0 the downside of thatis then we dont know who to blame for who approved a blueprint :) | 16:58 |
inc0 | it is kolla-drivers now right? | 16:58 |
inc0 | anyway we're out of time | 16:58 |
sdake | yes | 16:58 |
inc0 | thank you all from coming | 16:58 |
inc0 | #endmeeting Kolla | 16:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 1 16:58:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-02-01-16.00.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-02-01-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-02-01-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
hrw | thx | 16:58 |
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