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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 25 08:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
| eyalb | hi | 08:00 |
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| doffek | Hi guys. | 08:01 |
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| alexey_weyl | hi | 08:02 |
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| ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | •Ocata Release | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | •Status and Updates | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | •Pike Design sessions | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | •Boston CFP | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Ocata Release | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Release (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:04 | |
| ifat_afek | This week we need to release python-vitrageclient, and then to add it to the global-requirements | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Unfortunately, our gate is broken for a few days (thanks Alexey_weyl and idan_hefetz for fixing it!), so it was delayed. I will request to release python-vitrageclient today | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Once python-vitrageclient is released, I will request to add it to the global-requirements | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | Note that we can continue developing the vitrage and vitrage-dashboard projects for Ocata until February 16th (but we’ll probably stop a little earlier to make sure everything is stable) | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | This week is also the PTLs nomination week. I plan to announce my candidacy later today. | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | The full Ocata schedule can be found here: | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | Any comments regarding the release dates? | 08:05 |
| eyalb | nope | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:06 | |
| ifat_afek | My updates: I’m done with the blueprint of adding a new API for post event to Vitrage, to be used by Doctor datasource (but not only). | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/+spec/support-inspector-sb-api | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | Next thing, I plan to modify Doctor’s test script so that it will test Vitrage in a similar way to the Congress test. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Who’s next? | 08:07 |
| doffek | I'll update . | 08:07 |
| doffek | I prepared a Vitrage Lab via webinar for yesterday for anyone that wishes to contribute to Vitrage. | 08:08 |
| doffek | Prepared about 15 Devstacks with Vitrage | 08:08 |
| doffek | People joined the webinar and saw the preliminary presentation. | 08:08 |
| doffek | There was a set of instructions as part of the lab, that, when run, step by step allowed the lab participants to learn how Vitrage looks, how it works, how to run CLI commands, how to add additional datasources, | 08:10 |
| doffek | It even had an easy instructions set for how to prepare templates for deduced alarms and RCA . | 08:10 |
| doffek | But no one seemed to actually do the lab. That's a miss from my point of view. It was a lab webinar, not a presentation one. | 08:11 |
| doffek | I don't see any new contributors coming from this webinar | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | doffek: It was only yesterday, let’s wait ;-) | 08:12 |
| doffek | None of them participated in the lab. | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | And I think the presentation part is also very important. I understand why you were disappointed, but it still might help | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | Was the session recorded? | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | Because if it was, we could publish it | 08:12 |
| doffek | Don't think so, but in any case, the purpose was to show potential contributors how easy it is to contribute. | 08:13 |
| ifat_afek | I think there is a lot of value to it for a contributor that likes to start working with Vitrage | 08:13 |
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| ifat_afek | I konw… | 08:13 |
| doffek | In any case, that's my update. | 08:13 |
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| ifat_afek | doffek: thanks! and BTW, I noticed you suggested a lab for Boston. I think it’s a great idea | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | I will update | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | we has some problems in the gate, and finally resolved them yesterday because some novaclient api was changed | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | In addition I am working on the "not" operator for the templates | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: Thanks for fixing it! I just don’t understand how come no other project was affected. Strange… | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | this will give a much bigger language to describe our language and our use cases | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | The ‘not’ is very important. It was blocking some of our use cases | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | for example if we have HA between two switches, thus if one will fall then we won't have to raise alarms on some vms due to that | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, once you are done, don’t forget to update also the documentation | 08:17 |
| nofarsch | maybe other projects knew of this change? | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: Right, that’s a good example | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | nofarsch: I must admit that I don’t follow all of nova emails. But I don’t believe I’m the only one who missed it | 08:17 |
| alexey_weyl | We haven't seen that other projects encountered the same problem, most probably due to the fact that they didn't use the interface parameter for the novaclient | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | What is the interface parameter? | 08:18 |
| alexey_weyl | Now, another update is the vitrage-aodh integration | 08:18 |
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| alexey_weyl | After the aodh team has agreed to our changes of adding a new alarm (in austin and barcelona) with another field called metadata/userdata that will contain some internal information about the alarm | 08:19 |
| alexey_weyl | they are now rethinking that decision, because they say that aodh isn't an alarm manager for all alarms but is more a system that is alarm engine evaluator | 08:20 |
| alexey_weyl | at the moment we are trying to figure out exactly what can't be done in that area with the aodh team, but if some other vitrage users have something to say about that, please do so, because I think if there will more voices that say that this value is needed then it may make them rethink about that | 08:22 |
| alexey_weyl | that's it for now | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | Personally I was quite surprised that they started hesitating, because I felt that we already discussed it. We should continue the discussions in the ML until soneone is convinced :-) | 08:23 |
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| ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to updated? | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | update | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Pike Design Sessions | 08:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike Design Sessions (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:25 | |
| ifat_afek | We will hold Pike Design Sessions in Israel, on March 6th-7th. You are all invited to participate and to suggest topics for the discussions | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | The design session etherpad: | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-pike-design-sessions | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | Any comments about it? | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Boston CFP | 08:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston CFP (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:28 | |
| ifat_afek | Boston CFP is now open, and we already listed some ideas in our etherpad | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-boston-session-proposals | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | Feel free to add more ideas. The deadline for submitting is February 6. | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | Any proposal you would like to discuss? | 08:29 |
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| ifat_afek | So I guess we are done. See you next week :-) | 08:31 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:31 |
| idan_hefetz | bye | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 08:31:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-01-25-08.00.html | 08:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-01-25-08.00.txt | 08:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-01-25-08.00.log.html | 08:31 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 25 13:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | looks like just three of us | 13:01 |
| gmann | yea | 13:01 |
| Kevin_Zheng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421760/ | 13:02 |
| Kevin_Zheng | please also review he doc patch if have time? | 13:02 |
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| gmann | or let's wait for few min for johnthetubaguy sdague | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: yea | 13:02 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I may update again tommorow | 13:02 |
| gmann | Kevin_Zheng: sure, ll check in morning tomorrow | 13:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, hello | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/add-whitelist-for-server-list-filter-sort-parameters | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | ^ the last three patches | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: the policy one is ready, hope you can take a look at it | 13:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the logging, we probably don't want to do all that logging on every API request | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe we can check that in the API controller constructor? would that work? | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | emm...yea, that is a little annoying | 13:06 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: you mean for old rule? | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | in the controller constructor sounds doable | 13:07 |
| gmann | but that will be only when all_tenants | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its really logging to the operators about their config | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not really anything to do with a particular API request as such | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | we have another warning at https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/policy.py#L83 | 13:08 |
| gmann | ah i see your point | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | that warn on every policy config change | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: ah, well remembered, we should probably copy that pattern | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I had forgotten about that one | 13:09 |
| gmann | +1 | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | we can put that warning in the policy.init() also | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was kinda expecting to have the defaults deal with falling back to the old rules | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | did that not work? | 13:11 |
| gmann | with is_rule_override check it can be more aligned when old rules are overridden | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | all_tenants_visible = rule:detail:get_all_tenants and rule:index:get_all_tenants (or something like that) | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats been done in code, just wondering what pattern we should choose for these things | 13:13 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: but if operator use to have policy.json from the sample and override the interesting one then it might be issue | 13:13 |
| gmann | but not sure if they do this way | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats fine, they overrode it, so it does the right thing | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: that doesn't work for new deployer. due to the old one always return 403 when fail | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | why? all the rules have the same default? | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, wait, I see your point now | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | the new behaviour expect no 403 when fail. | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | you are trying to keep the 403 behaviour | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm... I wasn't expecting us doing that | 13:15 |
| gmann | i think no 403 and give at least their own servers | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | doesn't that change need a microversion, with the new rule we 403 before it, and after it everyone leaves it soft | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its dropping an error, so maybe thats OK | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | emm...whether it return 403 still depend on policy config | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | that isn't something resolved by microversion. it should be resovled by policy discovery | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets step back | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | right now, all_tenants sends 403 if an admins (or whatever policy says) | 13:21 |
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| alex_xu | yup | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | after this, we don't send 403... unless the admin has overridden the old policy rule, which we want to delete next cycle | 13:21 |
| gmann | yea | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think my comment about working with the old policy has confused things here | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | what I mean is, you can only view other tenants servers when you pass a certainly policy rule | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are basically renaming that rule | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so across upgrade, we need to respect settings on the old rules for now | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we are all agreed with that aim | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | yes | 13:24 |
| gmann | yes | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 13:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yeah | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you could consider that one patch | 13:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now there is a second patch in there | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | when you pass all_tenants=True, the API should return as many instance as you are allowed to see given your token, rather than doing 403 if you fail a policy check to list instances from all tenants in the system | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | part of me wonders if that needs a microversion | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels strange to me for the API to flip between the old behaviour and new behaviour based on the policy file, given we want to kill the old behaviour next cycle | 13:26 |
| gmann | but that is with new policy rule. | 13:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | no, we want the new behaviour | 13:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we could keep the old policy rules | 13:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but with the new behaviour, the old policy rule names don't really make any sense | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am not every good at describing my concern here I guess | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | so you want to rename it first | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | then microversion with behaviour change | 13:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | actually my preferece is the other way around | 13:30 |
| cdent | ah microversions... :) | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | whether we want a microversion or not is a different debate, it feels like we are changing the API to me, but I could be looking at this wrongly | 13:31 |
| gmann | even that is something depends on policy setting and each cloud can have different behavior based on their policy setting | 13:31 |
| gmann | but yea if cloud with same policy setting then, API can behave differently | 13:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't think we want different behaviours based on config | 13:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we do want admins to be able to upgrade without accidentally changing who is able to list all the instances on the system, because they have modified their policy rules, and we didn't warn them about the change | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can have different behaviours based on different microversions though, that seems just fine | 13:35 |
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| alex_xu | so microversion with new behaviour. but new rule just copy the rule of old one | 13:37 |
| gmann | but when policy rules are modified, anyways behavior can be changed when admin upgrade (currently also) | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann: thats fairly terrible, we should stop that | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we need oslo.policy to help us more, eventually, but we just are not there yet | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | my concern is based on this | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-upgrade.html#requirements | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | and because I believe policy = configuration | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yes, we just implement that. so you concern on microversion? | 13:42 |
| alex_xu | sorry, i'm a little lost... | 13:42 |
| gmann | humm | 13:42 |
| Kevin_Zheng | old rule can work on the current patch, I think | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: that was just a comment about how we have failed to do this properly in the past | 13:44 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: can new rule be considered as new config option kinnda ? | 13:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so it is a new config, effectively | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I really don't like us changing the API behaviour based on a config | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | the odd bit, is we plan on removing the old behaviour and old config next cycle | 13:45 |
| gmann | yea that's true | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | that just seems odd to me, struggling to describe why | 13:45 |
| gmann | now i got your point | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | for me, we use microversions to create API behaviour changes | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | and advertise them correctly, etc | 13:45 |
| gmann | agree on this now. | 13:46 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | ok | 13:46 |
| gmann | otherwise it can be interop issue | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | now I think its easier to think about this in two steps | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | one change adds a microversion to make all_tenants no longer trigger 403, the old policy rules just decide if you show servers from all tenants, when you request all_tenants=True | 13:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the second change can rename the policy rules, with some backwards compatibility, because the old rule names don't really make sense with the new behaviour | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | so whether we return 403 in old microversion? | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the old microversion, yes, the new policy rule decides if its 403 or allowed | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | just like the old ones did before it | 13:50 |
| gmann | but with old rule support right | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | the rename of the rule has to be backwards compatible, yes | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | whatever those rules say, it gets used in the old microversion to return 403, and in the new microversion its a silent ignore or list instances across all tenants on the system | 13:51 |
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| gmann | yea | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | now, there is a debate of whether its worth a microversion or not, but I don't think the policy settings should decide the behaviour | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | if there is no microversion, I think everyone should have the new behaviour | 13:52 |
| Kevin_Zheng | maybe a microversion bump when remove the old rule and change the behaviour for new rule? | 13:53 |
| gmann | but still that change behavior if doing for everyne | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, as long as its the same behaviour for everyone, that could work for me | 13:54 |
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| gmann | i mean app moving from upgareded cloud to old cloud can break | 13:54 |
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| gmann | no 403 -> 403 | 13:55 |
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| alex_xu | 5 mins left | 13:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | really its only people depending on getting 403 that would break | 13:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, a break is possible, unless its microversioned | 13:55 |
| gmann | yea it can break interoperability | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | yea, althought the 403 is generic error people processed | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | you could use that 403 to check if you had an admin token, duno why you would, but you could | 13:57 |
| gmann | also app, on upgraded cloud where no 403 if decide to move to old non-upgraded cloud where 403 | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | emm...yes | 13:57 |
| gmann | i mean we changing error to success which is issue. error-> good error only ok | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | one news, I will start the vacation from tomorrow. Kevin_Zheng will be there for tomorrow? | 13:58 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | yeah | 13:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: have a good break | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | probably I will help on the patch tonight. but i'm not sure I have network tomorrow evening | 13:59 |
| gmann | alex_xu: i can take up those updates, i am in for next week | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: gmann thanks | 13:59 |
| Kevin_Zheng | could you also update the doc one? already did some work | 13:59 |
| gmann | so we should go with microversion on behavior change ? as johnthetubaguy mentioned on 2 changes | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | ok, we should back to nova channel, it is time to close the meeting | 13:59 |
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| gmann | Kevin_Zheng: sure ll do | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 14:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-01-25-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-01-25-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-01-25-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 25 14:01:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | hi | 14:01 |
| chrisspencer | o/ | 14:01 |
| acabot | o/ | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | o/ | 14:01 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:01 |
| hvprash | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#01.2F25.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:02 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:02 | |
| acabot | #info Pike PTLs self nomination has started and Watcher has no candidate yet | 14:02 |
| acabot | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 14:02 |
| acabot | PTL nomination ends in 4d9h42m1s | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | acabot: I've placed my self-nomination couple of hours ago | 14:03 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: +1 | 14:03 |
| acabot | alexchadin : yop sorry I missed it | 14:03 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: Nice! | 14:03 |
| acabot | alexchadin : review # ? | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | acabot: seconds | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425163/ | 14:03 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : thx Alex, looks great | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: I like your plans! | 14:04 |
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| alexchadin | acabot, sballe_, vincentfrancoise thank you! | 14:04 |
| hvprash | great alexchadin ! | 14:05 |
| alexchadin | hvprash: thank you! | 14:05 |
| acabot | #info alexchadin has submited his candidacy as Watcher PTL https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425163/ | 14:05 |
| acabot | #info Meeting time for odd weeks will be moved from 9:00 UTC to 13:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt | 14:06 |
| acabot | as requested by US contributors | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | all thx a million for agreeing to move the time :-) | 14:06 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:06 |
| acabot | I hope it will be easier for you guys and still compatible with asian agenda | 14:06 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425107/ | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | acabot: It will be for me since I have been travling a lot to CA and it was at 1am i nthat timezone | 14:07 |
| acabot | as soon as the review will be merged we will met at 13 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt | 14:07 |
| Yumeng | hi guys | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | hi | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | hi Yumeng | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancoise | hi Yumeng | 14:07 |
| acabot | hi Yumeng | 14:07 |
| Yumeng | thank you such warm welcome! | 14:08 |
| acabot | Yumeng : our weekly meeting on odd weeks will be moved to 13 UTC | 14:08 |
| acabot | Yumeng : I hope its still good for you | 14:08 |
| acabot | #info PTG is in one month, a dedicated etherpad is now open, please submit topics that you want to discuss | 14:08 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-watcher-ptg | 14:09 |
| acabot | please add at least your name in the attendees list | 14:09 |
| acabot | I hope to have around 10 people here but I still dont know who bought a ticket | 14:09 |
| acabot | thx chrisspencer | 14:10 |
| chrisspencer | :) | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | acabot: we got travel approval for pshedimb and chrisspencer | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | chrisspencer: +2 | 14:10 |
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| acabot | ok Yumeng any update on your visa approval ? | 14:10 |
| Yumeng | not yet | 14:11 |
| acabot | ok | 14:11 |
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| acabot | feel free to add topics in the list even if you dont plan to be in Atlanta | 14:11 |
| acabot | #info Call for presentations for Boston summit is now open (deadline is February 6th), a dedicated etherpad is ready to be completed | 14:11 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_boston2017 | 14:11 |
| acabot | Yumeng : thx for your contribution | 14:12 |
| acabot | if we could submit at least 3 talks next week it would be great | 14:12 |
| Yumeng | acabot: :) | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | I will submit one today | 14:12 |
| acabot | sballe_ : thx | 14:12 |
| acabot | #info Watcher CLI has been released as 1.0.0 | 14:13 |
| acabot | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/#ocata-python-watcherclient | 14:13 |
| acabot | thx dtardivel & vincentfrancoise | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: since you are our new PTL you should be on the Watcher, the Infrastructure Optimization service for OpenStack: Plans for the P&Q-releases | 14:13 |
| acabot | sballe_ : I think we can wait for the end of the week to see if we have any other candidate ;-) | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | For some reasons I am thinking that only two speakers can be on talks. If that is true I would suggest you and acabot on the talk | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | acabot: make sense | 14:14 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:14 |
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| acabot | Specs | 14:14 |
| acabot | Add improvements to the planner and workflow mechanisms needs a final core review before release | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: 95% I'll be in Boston | 14:14 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:15 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : could you do a W+1 on this ? | 14:15 |
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| sballe_ | yes | 14:15 |
| acabot | sballe_ : all code has been merged already | 14:15 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: code already has been merged | 14:15 |
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| acabot | #sballe_ : W+1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:15 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ : W+1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:15 |
| acabot | Define grammar for workload characterization needs a new PS answering previous comments | 14:16 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/19 | 14:16 |
| acabot | hvprash : what's the status for this spec ? | 14:16 |
| hvprash | acabot, there are still certain things unclear for the workload characterization. would have to discuss during the design summit | 14:16 |
| hvprash | i am working on the PS though | 14:16 |
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| hvprash | may have to move this to Pike | 14:17 |
| acabot | hvprash : ok please add it in the topics list then, I think its a major topic we have to discuss | 14:17 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: give me more time to review it please #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:17 |
| sballe_ | ok | 14:17 |
| hvprash | yes, will do | 14:17 |
| acabot | #action hvprash add a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ and add it to the topics list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-watcher-ptg | 14:18 |
| acabot | Support Description For Dynamic Action needs a new PS | 14:18 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401111/ | 14:18 |
| acabot | is hanrong here ? | 14:18 |
| acabot | Yumeng : any update on this spec ? | 14:19 |
| acabot | Noisy Neighbor Strategy has still work in progress | 14:19 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:19 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : could you please complete it ? | 14:20 |
| Yumeng | acabot: I will pass the message :) | 14:20 |
| acabot | Yumeng : ok thx | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | acabot: yes. we got our systems working this week so we are now good to go. I will finish the spec | 14:21 |
| acabot | thx | 14:21 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ complete https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:21 |
| acabot | sballe_ : this strategy could be a good candidate for Watcher talk in Boston | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | yes thta is the talk I am submitting | 14:22 |
| acabot | sballe_ : ok | 14:22 |
| acabot | Audit tag in VM Metadata needs reviews | 14:22 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:22 |
| acabot | thx hvprash for adding a PS | 14:22 |
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| hvprash | sballe_ vincentfrancois - need your help on this. pls review. pksingh and sanfern have started looking into the code. | 14:22 |
| acabot | who wants to review it ? | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | acabot: tag me | 14:23 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ vincentfrancoise acabot alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:23 |
| hvprash | i would need vincent to take a look and have some clarifications on the cluster data model | 14:23 |
| hvprash | thabnks alexchadin | 14:23 |
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| acabot | moving to Watcher | 14:23 |
| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: well, this week I'm still busy to finalize the release but we can discuss about it next week | 14:23 |
| hvprash | just need 10 mins of your time. after this meeting ? | 14:24 |
| acabot | we should release Watcher O3 tomorrow so a lot of code has been merged recently | 14:24 |
| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: oh ok then | 14:24 |
| hvprash | thx a lot | 14:24 |
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| acabot | #info New default planner has been merged #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406991/ | 14:25 |
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| acabot | thx alexchadin vincentfrancoise for this great addition | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | 2(!) new default planners:D | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | thanks vincentfrancoise | 14:25 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: sure :p | 14:25 |
| acabot | alexchadin : yes now we have 2 planners :-) | 14:25 |
| acabot | good to see that the plugin system works well | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: just need to be able to be able to select one in PIke :) | 14:26 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : yes indeed | 14:26 |
| acabot | #info Graph cluster model instead of mapping one & Remove obsolete Resource element have been merged | 14:26 |
| acabot | thx tmetsh & vincentfrancoise for this | 14:26 |
| acabot | all this work really improve watcher | 14:27 |
| acabot | Fix multinode tempest test failure multinode gate is still being fixed | 14:27 |
| vincentfrancoise | thx to intel folks for also giving us a good starting point to integrate cinder and neutron data in the future | 14:27 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419544/ | 14:27 |
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| sballe_ | vincentfrancoise: +1 | 14:28 |
| acabot | sballe_ : as the graph model is now used by watcher, you should probably check that all Intel's strategies are still working | 14:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: +1 | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | acabot: make sense. chrisspencer can you do that? | 14:29 |
| acabot | because we check only workload consolidation & dummy strategies with the gate | 14:29 |
| vincentfrancoise | all strategies aren't covered by integration tests so can you all test the strategies | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | acabot: can you add an action for chrisspencer | 14:29 |
| acabot | sure | 14:29 |
| acabot | #action chrisspencer check that existing Intel strategies are still working with graph model implementation | 14:30 |
| acabot | so our multinode tempest gate still has problems | 14:30 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise is investigating it | 14:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: we are getting there though | 14:31 |
| acabot | we hope to have it fixed before the release to test Watcher in multinode | 14:31 |
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| vincentfrancoise | acabot: but right now people are merging code big time so things are moving slow | 14:31 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise Fix multinode tempest test failure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419544/ | 14:32 |
| acabot | check the state of action plan needs final core reviews | 14:32 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ | 14:32 |
| acabot | who wants to review this last BP for O3 ? | 14:32 |
| acabot | does anyone wants to fix the merge conflict ? | 14:33 |
| dtardivel | =& | 14:33 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:33 |
| acabot | ok thx | 14:33 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel fix merge conflict for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ | 14:33 |
| acabot | who wants to review it before merge tomorrow ? | 14:34 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: I'll work with dtardivel on it I guess | 14:34 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | Documentation update needs reviews | 14:34 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424187/ | 14:35 |
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| acabot | dtardivel reviewed our current doc before the release | 14:35 |
| acabot | and provides a new architecture diagram | 14:35 |
| acabot | I think its good for all to take a look at it | 14:35 |
| acabot | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/87/424187/8/check/gate-watcher-docs-ubuntu-xenial/1dfdacb//doc/build/html/architecture.html | 14:36 |
| alexchadin | +1 | 14:36 |
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| acabot | #action alexchadin sballe_ hvprash acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424187/ | 14:36 |
| acabot | add Ocata release notes needs reviews | 14:37 |
| hvprash | will do | 14:37 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421281/ | 14:37 |
| acabot | I have created Reno release notes for Ocata | 14:37 |
| acabot | I would really like to have a quick feedback about it before merging it | 14:38 |
| sballe_ | dtardivel: I guess joe W+1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ right now and didn't wait for you to review :-( | 14:38 |
| acabot | who wants to review release notes ? (its really quick) | 14:39 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:39 |
| chrisspencer | acabot: will do | 14:39 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:39 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ chrisspencer hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421281/ | 14:39 |
| acabot | thx | 14:39 |
| acabot | Add period input parameter to basic strategy is in merge conflict | 14:39 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416432/ | 14:40 |
| acabot | I dont think hidekazu is here | 14:40 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : should we merge it for o3 ? | 14:40 |
| acabot | or it can wait | 14:40 |
| dtardivel | I can resolv this issue as well | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | +1 | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | can resolve | 14:40 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: we could | 14:40 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: it's a nice to have only though | 14:41 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin fix merge conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416432/ | 14:41 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416432/ in o3 | 14:41 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:41 |
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| acabot | #info Ocata 3 Milestone, with Feature and Requirements Freezes: 26 Jan | 14:42 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-3 | 14:42 |
| acabot | we still have bugs and 1 BP in progress | 14:42 |
| acabot | I plan to submit the release in 24h | 14:42 |
| acabot | atuly_ : are you still working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1640099 ? | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1640099 in watcher "Add tempest test for workload_stabilization" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Atul Pandey (atul-4you) | 14:43 |
| acabot | #info Ocata RC1 target: 2 Feb | 14:44 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-rc1 | 14:44 |
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| acabot | hvprash : I will move your 2 BPs to Pike | 14:44 |
| hvprash | thanks acabot | 14:45 |
| acabot | #action acabot move hvprash BPs to Pike cycle | 14:45 |
| acabot | #info Ocata Final Release candidate deadline: 16 Feb | 14:46 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-rc-final | 14:46 |
| acabot | so we will have at least 3 weeks to run tests between tomorrow and the final release | 14:46 |
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| acabot | I hope everyone will run tests on master branch during this period | 14:47 |
| acabot | as we are targeting 1.0.0 version | 14:47 |
| acabot | #topic Open discussions | 14:48 |
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| hvprash | i have an open discussion topic | 14:48 |
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| acabot | hvprash : please go ahead | 14:48 |
| hvprash | with the monasca helper, does that mean the existing strategies needed to be modified too ? | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | I've done all BPs related to Applier except limiting | 14:49 |
| hvprash | existing action plans | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | I think it is time for that old BP | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: yes we still need to make each one Monasca-compatible | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: have you installed it yet? | 14:50 |
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| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: you mean Monasca? Yes dtardivel did in our lab | 14:51 |
| acabot | hvprash : yes you have to modify the strategy like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414617/ | 14:51 |
| hvprash | vincentfrancois - so we will be maintaining multiple versions or something configurable ? | 14:51 |
| hvprash | thanks vincent. that helps.. will go thru it | 14:52 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: yeah, Monasca. Do you have proper installation guide? There are a lot of technologies to be configured well | 14:52 |
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| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: well each strategy has to provide a datasource switch like I did for basic_consolidation | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | alexchadin: please have a look on https://github.com/b-com/ansible-monasca | 14:53 |
| hvprash | got it ! | 14:53 |
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| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: but some like IPMI based do not have the corresponding metrics in Monasca I believe so this can be a bit complicated | 14:53 |
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| hvprash | ok | 14:53 |
| alexchadin | dtardivel: thanks! | 14:54 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : alex, could you please send an email on the ML with your PTL candidacy ? | 14:54 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: I also have a quick memo to configure the libvirt metrics somewhere if you want | 14:54 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: If I need them I will let you know:) | 14:55 |
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| alexchadin | acabot: yeah, just the message with the same content? | 14:55 |
| acabot | alexchadin : yes please | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | acabot: will do | 14:55 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin share PTL candidacy on the ML | 14:56 |
| acabot | thank you all | 14:57 |
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| acabot | have a good day/night | 14:57 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:57 |
| hvprash | thanks ! | 14:57 |
| hvprash | bye | 14:57 |
| acabot | bye | 14:57 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 14:57:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-01-25-14.01.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-01-25-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-01-25-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
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| sballe_ | bye | 14:57 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 25 15:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:00 |
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| serverascode | hello :) | 15:00 |
| uli-k | hello | 15:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| serverascode | I'll give it another minute or so | 15:01 |
| serverascode | if you hav eanything to add to the agenda, please go ahead :) | 15:02 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:02 |
| serverascode | #topic Weekly Meetings | 15:03 |
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| serverascode | Not sure if anyone has an opinion on this, or I could push it to the next meeting | 15:03 |
| serverascode | it was mentioned last meeting that perhaps we should move to weekly meetings | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | cannot on my side | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | to be honest | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | One week I have to chair the massively distributed WG | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | and the other one, I attend this meeting | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | it becomes to costly for me to attend all Openstack meeting | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | s | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:04 |
| serverascode | yeah I would like to start attending the massively distributed group more often myself | 15:04 |
| GeraldK | hi | 15:04 |
| serverascode | hi GeraldK :) | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | but if you believe it is mandatory, I will read the minutes | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | go ahead | 15:04 |
| serverascode | I'm happy with bi-weekly meetings myelf | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | just to let you know that I will be not able to do more right now | 15:05 |
| serverascode | anyone else have any strong feelings about it? otherwise I will suggest we revisit in a couple months | 15:05 |
| jamemcc | every 2 weeks is good for me | 15:05 |
| serverascode | ok, I put up a reminder to revist in a while | 15:06 |
| serverascode | #topic Boston Summit | 15:06 |
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| GeraldK | every 2 weeks would be okay for me. Anyway, I have a meeting clash at this time. | 15:07 |
| serverascode | Over the last couple days there has been some discussion on doing a presentation and session on multi-site/multi-cloud | 15:07 |
| serverascode | so if anyone is interested in that, let me know, as we will start to put together and abstract to submit by Feb 6th | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | So what is your idea right now ? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | are there notes somewhere? | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | no notes yet, just joehuang and I were discussing it, and we wanted to chat with you ad_rien_ regarding the Massively Dist. team | 15:09 |
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| serverascode | I think overall it was just that there is a lot of confusion regarding multi-site/cloud and we should help to clear that up :) | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so the idea on our side is to present some performance evaluations of the scenario 1 | 15:09 |
| shintaro | is it from OPNFV? sounds interesting although i do not have any experience on the topic. | 15:09 |
| shintaro | I mean muti-site | 15:09 |
| * ad_rien_ is looking for links | 15:10 | |
| serverascode | I think OPNFV has a project related to multi-site | 15:10 |
| serverascode | but I'm more talking about an overview of all the different methods | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jJFZejZqgYDxu5FX4K8g3I5zQ87afnjYI4VSRSuCQ6U/edit#slide=id.p | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | so basically we identified the different scenarios that can be done right now with the vanilla openstack code. | 15:11 |
| serverascode | multi-region, multi-site, related projects like kingbird, tricircle, connecting tenant networks in different clouds, massively distributed, fog, edge...etc etc :) | 15:11 |
| GeraldK | cool, thanks, thats a nice summary... | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | We implemented a tool dedicated to perform experiments. We plan to submit a presentation regarding the scenario 1 | 15:11 |
| shintaro | looks interesting topic | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | This should be tagged by the performance team | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | as discussed with DinaBelova yesterday | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | We can probably do another presentation that aims to clarify what is behind NFV infrastructures/massively distributed/Fog/Edge infrastructures | 15:12 |
| serverascode | yeah I agree ad_rien_ | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | and what is the link w-r-t the openstack community | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it might be valuable (in addition to see whether we should not merge all the different WGs at the end ;) ) | 15:13 |
| serverascode | :) | 15:13 |
| serverascode | ok, if you are interested in participating in putting forward that presenation and session, let me know and I will make sure to let you know what we are up to | 15:14 |
| serverascode | I will also report back next meeting | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | We can also try to identify what are the production platform that are already deployed | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | We know the NECTAR one and the CERN one | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm sure there are others | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | ATT has a massively distributed clouds but they are using their own glue to orchestrate the different openstack deployment | 15:15 |
| serverascode | right, existing deployments would be a good to include | 15:15 |
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| serverascode | any other ideas on presentation topics this group could perhaps put forward? | 15:16 |
| uli-k | Maybe Joe knows more. I heard something he will engage in the massive distributed cloud activity. | 15:16 |
| * uli-k (sorry I had nipped out a few minutes....) | 15:16 | |
| serverascode | I will still put forward a NFV session for Boston | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | sounds good | 15:17 |
| serverascode | to be more clear, a working group meeting for this group | 15:18 |
| serverascode | at the boston summit | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | sounds good | 15:18 |
| serverascode | is there anything specific we want to achieve in that meeting? or leave it more general? | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | will do the same for the massively distributed | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | I will ask to do not schedule the two sessions at the same time | 15:18 |
| serverascode | good idea :) | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | Can you do the same serverascode please? | 15:18 |
| serverascode | right will do | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:18 |
| serverascode | for previous sessions they are often quite full, but end up being more like an general informational session on the what the working group is | 15:19 |
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| serverascode | and it doesn't necessarily move us forward all that much, though may help to find additional participants | 15:20 |
| serverascode | actually it looks like our next meeting is after the deadline for submissions | 15:21 |
| serverascode | so I will have to submit it before next meeting | 15:21 |
| jamemcc | Regarding what to acheive in Boston. Seems there is interest from those attending the Summit/Meetup. Maybe we can hold the session to explore/document the varieties of the attendees NFV use cases. Maybe we start with some fo the conversation we've had here. | 15:21 |
| serverascode | ok, that is interesting. Would make use of the varied people attending the session. | 15:22 |
| jamemcc | Kind of 2 fold - if we voted by end of the session we'd get some #'s as to the types and all in all might encourage those with the use cases that interest them to participate. | 15:23 |
| jamemcc | What was the approcah in Barcelona Curtis - I was there but forgetting. How did you kick it off? | 15:24 |
| serverascode | Barcelona was pretty random | 15:24 |
| serverascode | it was a small room, lots of people, and mostly it ended up being a discussion about what the working group actually is | 15:24 |
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| serverascode | perhaps people came out understanding what we are doing, but that was about it :) | 15:24 |
| shintaro | 40min was a little too short I guess | 15:25 |
| serverascode | yeah it is very very short | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | you can ask two consecutive slots? | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | we ask that for the massively distributed | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | it was enough I think | 15:26 |
| serverascode | yeah that's an interesting idea, usually they are pretty limited on slots though, but yeah 40 min is so little | 15:26 |
| serverascode | I will give it a shot :) | 15:26 |
| GeraldK | in Barcelona we had collected many topics during that session but failed to attract people to IRC meetings to further discuss on them | 15:27 |
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| GeraldK | two slots could help to categorize/priorituze topics and also discuss next steps | 15:28 |
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| serverascode | right I am probably oversimplifying what we actually discussed, I should find the etherpad... | 15:28 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-telcom-nfv-team | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | the other good point of having two consecutive slots is that you get people that are really interested to take part to the effort | 15:28 |
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| ad_rien_ | i.e. folks that are not interested usually leave the room after 40 mins | 15:29 |
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| serverascode | is there anything in that etherpad that we could or should focus on for the session? | 15:29 |
| serverascode | well, we can certainly alter the focus of the session later, now that I think about it the abstract doesn't have to be super specific | 15:30 |
| GeraldK | serverascode: +1 | 15:31 |
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| serverascode | ok next topic | 15:32 |
| serverascode | # Generic NFV Platform Defintion Document | 15:32 |
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| serverascode | I started a bit of work on this in terms of starting a table of contents | 15:32 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/generic-nfv-platform | 15:32 |
| serverascode | with the idea being of starting the document in that etherpad, filling it out as a first draft, then getting it into the git repo | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | good work | 15:33 |
| serverascode | thanks, it's really just an initial skeleton that needs a lot more work :) | 15:34 |
| serverascode | but the etherpad is there, and if you have suggesions now or in the future, please feel free to make them :) | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | yes but at least it gives one direction | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | It does look like a good outline - this is how we would would document the Reference Architecture? | 15:34 |
| serverascode | I think so, my idea was to cover some NFV related background, then define an example architecture in one of the later sections | 15:35 |
| serverascode | and that reference arch would be fairly prescriptive, but would juts be one example | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't know whether it will be reachable but I think you have a good outline for the presentation ;) | 15:36 |
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| serverascode | yeah it will be tough to keep the scope limited enough to actually finish it and provide something useful | 15:37 |
| serverascode | I see some additions already :) thanks! | 15:38 |
| GeraldK | so, in setion 4 you'd like to collect basic features that should be there for a generic NFV platform? | 15:39 |
| GeraldK | can we add a kind of Note on each section to explain what it should be about? | 15:39 |
| serverascode | yup, or at least list the ones that are available in production | 15:39 |
| GeraldK | do we need "advanced NFV features" for a generic NFV platform? | 15:40 |
| serverascode | good point, I was thinking that we might have to at least mention them as I find that is where a lot of confusion comes int | 15:40 |
| serverascode | or perhaps some way of determining what is "production" worthy | 15:40 |
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| GeraldK | so this is to differentiate what is "generic/basic NFV features" and "additional advanced featues"? | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | just one question (please take into account that I'm not involved in the OPENNFV community) | 15:42 |
| serverascode | right, perhaps 'advanced' is the wrong word | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | Is there any overlappings with OPNFV actions | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | It looks to be general (i.e; interesting but general) | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | The focus should not be done on the OpenStack ? | 15:42 |
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| GeraldK | ad_rien_: I'd say so. however, for OPNFV I have not seen such a structured approach like serverascode has started here | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:43 |
| GeraldK | and OPNFV is more than OpenStack; however, including SDN in the list, this might also go beyond here | 15:43 |
| shintaro | but we can pick stuff from OPNFV requirements | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | one more question | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | What about having a use-case that can guide the discussion | 15:44 |
| GeraldK | shintaro: certainly yes. I'd even love to see both work together on such a document. | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. don't know; cloudRan for instance if it makes sense) | 15:44 |
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| serverascode | a use case might be a good idea | 15:44 |
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| serverascode | for the SDN section, I think it's valuable to discuss b/c at some point basic neutron might have all the features one would require from an SDN :) | 15:45 |
| serverascode | I mean if if gets service function chaining... :) | 15:45 |
| GeraldK | this is something I also had in mind with the previous topic and the long list of interesting topics from last Summit: let's try to see which topics could be well described by a user story and let's propose such user story in the PWG if it does not yet exist | 15:45 |
| GeraldK | serverascode: you're right | 15:46 |
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| shintaro | serverascode VNF can come in containers as well or may need to connect with PNF(physicalNF) so it might go beyond Neutron | 15:48 |
| GeraldK | about "3. commen theme use case": do you have a use case in mind why we need a generic NFV platform or a use case how it could be used or something different? | 15:48 |
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| serverascode | shintaro good point, I haven't even begun to consider containers in NFV yet but they are important | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | The idea is to introduce a use-case that will act as a common theme for all following aspects | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | This should make the read and the understanding easier (I'm not sure we can be exhaustive i.e. covering all use-cases) | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | I can be wrong ;) | 15:49 |
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| serverascode | some kind of VNF that has clustering built into the application would probably be the baseline | 15:50 |
| serverascode | not sure what that would be | 15:50 |
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| serverascode | I find lots of telecoms struggle with the lack of "instance HA" in openstack | 15:51 |
| serverascode | they want to run single isolated workloads and have them magically be restarted if the hypervisor fails | 15:51 |
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| serverascode | I know there are some projects in the big tent to do that, but generally speaking that is not a usecase openstack supports | 15:52 |
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| shintaro | yeah we are working on that project. but that is for "legacy"apps | 15:53 |
| serverascode | ok, so we have about 7 minutes left, should we go into open discussion? | 15:53 |
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| shintaro | I want to make sure whether we will have a session/meetup in OpsMeetup in Milano | 15:54 |
| serverascode | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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| serverascode | shintaro: good call | 15:54 |
| shintaro | Session discussion is open and now is time to fix it | 15:54 |
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| serverascode | where is the discussion happening now? still in the etherpad? | 15:55 |
| shintaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | I'm lost sorry | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm back | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:56 |
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| serverascode | there is an operators meeting in Milan in March, and we might have a session there :) | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | taking about the Milano meetup | 15:56 |
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| shintaro | Registration is now open, too | 15:56 |
| serverascode | I think some people from the LCOO will be there? | 15:56 |
| shintaro | #link https://opsmidcycle_march2017.eventbrite.com | 15:56 |
| serverascode | the NFV session discussion got a little confused when I think Chris was suggesting maybe it's not a session | 15:57 |
| serverascode | but it depends on how many NFV related pepole will be there | 15:57 |
| serverascode | usually there are only one or two | 15:57 |
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| serverascode | everyone else is not doing anything that they would consider NFV | 15:57 |
| serverascode | oh but now I see some +1s :) | 15:57 |
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| shintaro | LCOO decided not to have an official WG meeting there but some members will be there, I guess. | 15:58 |
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| serverascode | so you and I will be there, but I'm wondering who else? | 15:58 |
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| serverascode | oh one min left :) | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | Not me | 15:59 |
| serverascode | I will have to end the meeting soon | 15:59 |
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| ad_rien_ | but if we can attend by a webconf tool it would be great | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:59 |
| serverascode | shintaro: if you have time we can continue the discussion by email or irc | 15:59 |
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| shintaro | ok, but email would be better since its 1am for me | 15:59 |
| serverascode | if you want you can email me at curtis@serverascode.com | 16:00 |
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| serverascode | and we can discuss that way or setup a time | 16:00 |
| serverascode | gotta end meeting! | 16:00 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 16:00:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-01-25-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| serverascode | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-01-25-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-01-25-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| shintaro | thanks | 16:00 |
| GeraldK | bye | 16:00 |
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| zhubingbing | thanks | 16:00 |
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| zhubingbing | bye | 16:00 |
| zhubingbing | ；） | 16:00 |
| inc0 | allright | 16:00 |
| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:01 |
| zhubingbing | hey | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 25 16:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:01 |
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| inc0 | #topic w00t for kolla | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "w00t for kolla (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| trinaths | Hi | 16:01 |
| inc0 | w00t people | 16:01 |
| inc0 | ;) | 16:01 |
| duonghq | o/ | 16:01 |
| zhubingbing | o/ | 16:01 |
| gema | o/ | 16:01 |
| zhubingbing | o/ | 16:01 |
| SridharP1 | Hai | 16:01 |
| duonghq | oops | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| trinaths | hi | 16:01 |
| pbourke | w00t | 16:01 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 16:01 |
| portdirect | good afternoon | 16:01 |
| mandre | o/ | 16:01 |
| * portdirect w00t | 16:01 | |
| zhubingbing | good afternoon | 16:01 |
| srwilkers | :is all out of woots to give | 16:02 |
| inc0 | and it's only 8am? your day is looking bright srwilkers | 16:02 |
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| egonzalez | woot o/ | 16:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 16:02 |
| trinaths | o/ | 16:03 |
| SridharP1 | o/ | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | #topic agenda | 16:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:03 | |
| inc0 | * Roll-call | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Announcements | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Documentation (pbourke) | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Ocata kolla deliverable (inc0} | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Ocata kolla-ansible deliverable (inc0) | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * kolla-kubernetes 0.5.0 (sdake) timebox [10 minutes] | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * deprecation of Debian images (berendt) | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Debian images for ARM architecture (gema, berendt) | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Finalize Brainstorming of PTG topics (we have 2 days of PTG space) timebox [10 minutes] | 16:04 |
| inc0 | * Open Discussion | 16:04 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| inc0 | We came into agreement how to add new deliverables | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | it will be change to this file https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424784/ | 16:05 |
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| inc0 | and merge as usual with caveat of PTL +2 present | 16:05 |
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| inc0 | any community announcements? | 16:05 |
| inc0 | guess not:) let's get to business | 16:06 |
| inc0 | #topic Documentation | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:06 | |
| inc0 | pbourke, you're up | 16:06 |
| pbourke | ok, simple enough really | 16:06 |
| qwang | o/ | 16:06 |
| berendt | o/ | 16:06 |
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| pbourke | I had a short note on the ML but the gist is, I think some people are working in the background on revamping the kolla docs | 16:07 |
| pbourke | I think a lot of people have grand visions of what needs to happen | 16:07 |
| pbourke | till then though, Id like to suggest we take some immeidate steps to remove duplication | 16:07 |
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| berendt | do we have a doc liason for the docs team? | 16:08 |
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| pbourke | by that I mean strip down the kolla section to just building info and info related to the image themselves, along with hyperlinks to kolla deliverables that can deploy the images | 16:08 |
| mliima | \o | 16:08 |
| pbourke | if people like this idea I can submit a change before end of the week | 16:08 |
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| berendt | pbourke: i like it :) | 16:08 |
| mandre | pbourke: +1 | 16:08 |
| inc0 | berendt, officialy no, but we have people talking to them | 16:09 |
| zhubingbing | i have a problem, the document we have to refer to what to do | 16:09 |
| berendt | i think we should think about a central starting page | 16:09 |
| inc0 | and some guide which tool to choose | 16:09 |
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| zhubingbing | yes | 16:09 |
| duonghq | pbourke, +1 but Kolla need including some common info too | 16:09 |
| pbourke | sounds like no major concerns with the above so that's it from me :) | 16:09 |
| zhubingbing | wo should need some guide and tools | 16:09 |
| duonghq | pbourke, how about QSG? | 16:10 |
| berendt | generic information in kolla docs? | 16:10 |
| duonghq | berendt, sure | 16:10 |
| berendt | duonghq: quick start guide is related to ansible/salt/k8s | 16:10 |
| berendt | every deliverable needs a qsq | 16:10 |
| trinaths | +1 to qsg | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | im agree with pbourke. | 16:11 |
| duonghq | so we need one landing page in Kolla and point to deliverables qsg? | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | kolla QSQ just solve image build. kolla-ansible QSQ just explain how to deploy images. | 16:11 |
| berendt | duonghq: i think this is the best way | 16:11 |
| duonghq | agreed with berendt | 16:12 |
| pbourke | again, Id rather not go into all the various improvements needed. My main goal is just to remove the current duplication | 16:12 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l_: +1 | 16:12 |
| duonghq | for QSG, we should use images from docker hub (IMO) | 16:12 |
| berendt | pbourke: then i think the best is to start with the split of the qsg and to remove common content from kolla-ansible | 16:12 |
| zhubingbing | +1 pbourke | 16:12 |
| berendt | duonghq: +1 but we also need a qsg how to build images | 16:13 |
| portdirect | i agree with pbourke the first step is seeing what we have, kolla-k8s in particular has a lot of very out of date docs, that need removed or reworked before we promote them | 16:13 |
| inc0 | well we do have good doc on it | 16:13 |
| inc0 | just not called qsg | 16:13 |
| duonghq | berendt, not really qsg | 16:13 |
| SridharP1 | duonghq: +1 about building images | 16:13 |
| inc0 | we can link to it from kolla-ansible qsg | 16:13 |
| berendt | yes, maybe qsg is the wrong wording for it | 16:13 |
| inc0 | also, qsg itself can ask people to use dockerhub images | 16:14 |
| inc0 | to make stuff even easier | 16:14 |
| duonghq | berendt, something like Basic building instruction (w/ some advanced instructions...) | 16:14 |
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| Jeffrey4l_ | we need qsg, event though current "qsg" is too complicate. | 16:14 |
| berendt | does it makes sense the pbourke prepares a list for the next meeting? | 16:14 |
| trinaths | berendt: this doc will be the starting point. right ? | 16:14 |
| duonghq | yeah, iirc, sdake is working on that | 16:14 |
| krtaylor | deploy vs building qsg - have a switch at the starting page | 16:14 |
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| berendt | trinaths: yes | 16:14 |
| trinaths | berendt: then let it be qsg. it gives a good meaning too | 16:15 |
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| Jeffrey4l_ | i think we need a outline which explain how the doc will looks like in the future in overview. pbourke | 16:16 |
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| pbourke | honestly Id rather not commit to that | 16:16 |
| pbourke | at least right now | 16:16 |
| zhubingbing | +1 Jeffrey4l | 16:16 |
| inc0 | yeah we have release | 16:16 |
| pbourke | to reiterate, all I want to achieve is that when you go to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/kolla-ansible/ vs http://docs.openstack.org/developer/kolla/ they actually look different | 16:16 |
| berendt | include it in the ptg? | 16:16 |
| pbourke | right now we have patches going into both, it makes no sense | 16:17 |
| trinaths | Jeffrey4l_: oultine mean future plans? | 16:17 |
| pbourke | it should have happened long ago | 16:17 |
| berendt | let's freeze kolla-ansible/docs until we start working on it | 16:17 |
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| Jeffrey4l_ | trinaths, yep. bird's eye. | 16:17 |
| duonghq | sorry guys but the improved docs stuff should go in Ocata or Pike? | 16:17 |
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| zioproto | hello | 16:18 |
| berendt | i think in pike | 16:18 |
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| zioproto | meeting started ? | 16:18 |
| berendt | zioproto: yes | 16:18 |
| inc0 | ok, lets move on | 16:18 |
| trinaths | Jeffrey4l_: i believe it to have a roadmap line. and doc t more concentrate on bringing up the environment | 16:18 |
| zhubingbing | zioproto: yes | 16:18 |
| duonghq | so PTG would be better place for further discussion? | 16:18 |
| inc0 | (I'm going to cannibalize kolla-k8s from this meeting, sorry, we're in release week( | 16:19 |
| inc0 | #topic ocata-3 | 16:19 |
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| berendt | duonghq: i think so | 16:19 |
| inc0 | https://launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+milestone/ocata-3 | 16:19 |
| inc0 | https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/ocata-3 | 16:19 |
| inc0 | the list is long and full of not implemented | 16:20 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | inc0, which day we have to release m3? | 16:20 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, we'll tag ocata-3 at 27th right? | 16:20 |
| inc0 | this week | 16:20 |
| inc0 | 27th is last day | 16:20 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | yep. 27th is the last day. | 16:21 |
| inc0 | which means I'll be bumping blueprints to Pike | 16:21 |
| inc0 | which aren't finished by then | 16:21 |
| trinaths | and there is not assignee and the there is good progress. | 16:21 |
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| inc0 | zhubingbing, whats the status of fluentd? | 16:23 |
| inc0 | is it finished? | 16:23 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | inc0 yep. | 16:23 |
| zhubingbing | yes | 16:23 |
| inc0 | anyone knows anything about keystone upgrade? | 16:24 |
| berendt | does it include an upgrade from heka to fluentd? | 16:24 |
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| zhubingbing | keka replaced fluentd's work has been completed | 16:24 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | berendt, yep. heka will be removed during upgrade from newton to ocata | 16:24 |
| inc0 | changed to implemented | 16:24 |
| inc0 | good job! | 16:24 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l_: good :) | 16:24 |
| inc0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ks-rolling-upgrade-role <- this needs to happen | 16:25 |
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| duonghq | sp___, are you there? | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | this should be moved to P cycle ;( | 16:25 |
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| inc0 | without this KS might break upgrade, and have right to do so | 16:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | inc0: will that also handel change such as enableing fernet tokens correctly on upgrade? | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | seems it is not started. i am afraid this can not be done before release. | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | sean-k-mooney, i do not think so | 16:27 |
| duonghq | Jeffrey4l_, it need some rework due to recent ansible refactoring | 16:27 |
| inc0 | sean-k-mooney, negative, this will just make sure we'll handle db changes correctly | 16:27 |
| egonzalez | yup, is under a bug_id instead of the bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388544/ | 16:27 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405215/2 there is some code for it | 16:27 |
| inc0 | duonghq, thoughts? you wrote most of the code | 16:28 |
| inc0 | think you can get it done? | 16:28 |
| zhubingbing | i can do this work ；）if duonghq have free time；） | 16:29 |
| duonghq | duonghq, if tomorrow I can get it done than it can be done, or not, :( | 16:29 |
| inc0 | ok, try it | 16:29 |
| duonghq | roger | 16:29 |
| inc0 | let me know if you need help, I can take on it too | 16:29 |
| inc0 | ok next one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/api-interface-bind-address-override | 16:30 |
| egonzalez | me too | 16:30 |
| inc0 | I think it's no longer relevant | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | k8s do not reply on this? | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | depends on* | 16:31 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | inc0, ^ | 16:31 |
| inc0 | well no movement in this change and k8s seems to handle itself | 16:31 |
| inc0 | kfox1111, comments? | 16:31 |
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| Jeffrey4l_ | whether k8s depends on orchestration_engine variable? kfox1111 inc0 | 16:32 |
| portdirect | inc0 that was well before my time - but looks like it was working on the assumpption of running in the hosts network namespace? | 16:33 |
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| inc0 | yeah, and we're not really using host networking everywhere right? | 16:33 |
| inc0 | not for apis anyhow | 16:33 |
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| portdirect | we are using it as little as possible | 16:34 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, yeah this was really mitaka | 16:34 |
| inc0 | I'm going to close it for now | 16:34 |
| portdirect | so though nice to have I dont think its causing any issues at present | 16:34 |
| inc0 | portdirect, would you be kind enough and double check? we can always reopen | 16:34 |
| portdirect | yeah i'll ask kfox and co, np | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/apply-service-upgrade-procedure | 16:35 |
| inc0 | this is related to keystone | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | inc0: is k8s using the docker proxy for apis if so that could be a scaleing problem though i understand why you might want to avoid net=host | 16:35 |
| inc0 | sean-k-mooney, k8s doesn't really uses docker proxy afaik | 16:36 |
| inc0 | it has it's own network overlay | 16:36 |
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| duonghq | it have some network option, the recommend is flannel | 16:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | inc0: ack, it should be ok then. | 16:37 |
| kfox1111 | o/ | 16:37 |
| inc0 | but back to topic, duonghq I assume someone will have to take on neutron too right? | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | or I see you're working on this change | 16:38 |
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| kfox1111 | we support both external and host ports currently in kolla-kubernetes. | 16:38 |
| inc0 | so let's do this, you focus on neutron | 16:38 |
| duonghq | about the apply-service-upgrade-procedure, the neutron's ansible potion run into same problem as ks: need to be migrated to new ansible structure | 16:38 |
| inc0 | and me and egonzalez will take keystone ok? | 16:38 |
| kfox1111 | since ingress is starting to stabalize, we may support that at some point too. | 16:38 |
| duonghq | inc0, nice, | 16:38 |
| inc0 | thanks | 16:38 |
| inc0 | just get neutron done:) egonzalez I'll start today and by your morning you should have something to work on:) | 16:39 |
| inc0 | feel free to coauthor patch | 16:39 |
| duonghq | thank inc0 and egonzalez | 16:39 |
| egonzalez | inc0: roger, i'll check what you got at the morning | 16:39 |
| inc0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/support-python-35 this is doen? | 16:40 |
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| duonghq | inc0, it should be depend on code coverage improvement bp | 16:41 |
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| sean-k-mooney | inc0: Python 3.5 support in some openstack projects is still experimental. i assume this is for the kolla module rather then the containers? | 16:41 |
| duonghq | sean-k-mooney, yup | 16:42 |
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| sean-k-mooney | duonghq: cool | 16:42 |
| berendt | sean-k-mooney: yes, should be for kolla itself | 16:42 |
| inc0 | yeah, I'll bump it to pike | 16:42 |
| inc0 | and all the rest in fact | 16:42 |
| duonghq | for all Python code, indeed | 16:42 |
| inc0 | since these are highs/essentials | 16:42 |
| inc0 | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+milestone/ocata-3 | 16:42 |
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| sean-k-mooney | inc0: would you like me to pre-emptively bump dpdk,odl and hugepage configuration to pike? i doubt they will be merged by the 27th and they are also not currently targeted to ocata-3 | 16:43 |
| duonghq | inc0, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/coverage-increment-for-kolla -> here, last bp should depend on this | 16:43 |
| inc0 | sean-k-mooney, yes, please | 16:43 |
| berendt | sean-k-mooney: hugepage yes | 16:43 |
| berendt | sean-k-mooney: i do not have time to work on it at the moment and prio is low | 16:43 |
| inc0 | duonghq, then i'll keep this one | 16:44 |
| inc0 | since it might be merged | 16:44 |
| inc0 | but please, focus on upgrades | 16:44 |
| duonghq | sure | 16:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | berendt: i have some patches for it up for bootstrap servers playbook. | 16:44 |
| inc0 | I'll bump all meds/lows | 16:44 |
| inc0 | kolla-ansible doesn't look bad | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | ok, let's move on | 16:45 |
| inc0 | #topic Debian deprecation | 16:46 |
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| duonghq | forgot, the apply service upgrade should be done for all service that have rolling upgrade procedure, not just ks and neutron, but ks and neutron have most mature procedure, so in general, part of the bp should be done on Ocata, other in Pike or next... | 16:46 |
| berendt | gema: around? | 16:46 |
| inc0 | berendt, gema we wanted to discuss | 16:46 |
| gema | yep | 16:46 |
| berendt | your turn | 16:46 |
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| inc0 | gema, question, do you *need* debian containers for ARM? | 16:46 |
| inc0 | or ubuntu would work? | 16:46 |
| gema | inc0: our current release is based on Debian and CentOS | 16:46 |
| gema | so we were planning to produce containers first for debian then for centos | 16:47 |
| inc0 | ok, so CentOS would work? | 16:47 |
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| gema | inc0: yes, but we prefer debian | 16:47 |
| inc0 | issue is, nobody else prefers debian;) | 16:47 |
| gema | since it is a purely community driven project | 16:47 |
| gema | inc0: all our members are keen on it | 16:47 |
| gema | most :D | 16:47 |
| berendt | gema: are you willing to working on the debian images? | 16:47 |
| inc0 | if you volunteer to be maintainers of it in kolla, we can discuss keeping it | 16:48 |
| gema | berendt: yes | 16:48 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | and please add job gate for debian ;) | 16:48 |
| inc0 | yeah, gate job for debian is first step | 16:48 |
| inc0 | we'll be happy to help you do it | 16:48 |
| berendt | first step is making the debian images working again | 16:48 |
| gema | we will be working on debian ARM64, I am not sure how much work is involved in also making them work on x86_64 | 16:48 |
| berendt | next step gates for debian | 16:48 |
| gema | but we don't have hardware to test that | 16:48 |
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| berendt | arm64 is the next topic, i think we should discuss the addition of a new platform independent of the debian deprecation | 16:48 |
| inc0 | gema, it will have to work on both arm and x86 as gates are all x86 | 16:48 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gema i would not expect there to be much if any difference between x86_64 and armv8 in this context | 16:49 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | i prefer to add a non-voting debian gate, then fix all issue to make it green. | 16:49 |
| gema | inc0: we will be adding a 3rd party CI for ARM64 | 16:49 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l_: +1 | 16:49 |
| gema | Jeffrey4l_: agreed | 16:49 |
| inc0 | gema, fine, but we also want proper openstack CI | 16:49 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | gema, re 3rd ci , cool. | 16:49 |
| gema | berendt, inc0: plus I can only commit resources to do this for pike | 16:49 |
| inc0 | and yeah, I don't expect debian to be voting anytime soon | 16:49 |
| inc0 | ocata is done anyway | 16:50 |
| gema | we'll be ramping up in the meantime | 16:50 |
| gema | ok, good | 16:50 |
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| berendt | when adding debian for arm64, can the current images be used or do you have to add it as a new distro? | 16:50 |
| inc0 | so order of business would be: | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | oh. that reminds me. are we in feature freeze yet? | 16:50 |
| gema | berendt: I don't know | 16:50 |
| berendt | at the moment the debian images are nearly the same like ubuntu | 16:50 |
| inc0 | 1. make sure debian works at all | 16:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | berendt: it would have to be a new distro | 16:50 |
| inc0 | kfox1111, k8s is not | 16:50 |
| inc0 | ansible and kolla yeah | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | no, kollla. I'd still like to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422950/ go in. | 16:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | berendt: the binaries in the current image would not work on arm | 16:51 |
| berendt | when it would to be a new distro we can deprecate current debian images and add debian arm64 as new images | 16:51 |
| gema | sean-k-mooney: corrent | 16:51 |
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| kfox1111 | its an additional set of containers, so shoudl be very low risk. | 16:51 |
| gema | correct | 16:51 |
| inc0 | kfox1111, I'll review it in a moment | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: thx. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah, I'm not concerned | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah berendt that's good point | 16:52 |
| inc0 | we can have distro debian-arm | 16:52 |
| inc0 | and deprecate x86 | 16:52 |
| berendt | i think the best way is to deprecate current debian images in kolla, to not deprecate debian support in kolla-ansible | 16:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would actully thik it would be best to add an arch flag not a distro | 16:52 |
| berendt | this way gema can re-add working debian arm64 images | 16:52 |
| berendt | with a spec | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | not sure level of effort is that much different for arm vs arm+x86. | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | the packages should all be the same. | 16:52 |
| portdirect | inc0: do you have contact with stackenetes at all? they use kolla debian | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | Id expect most of the work to be arm-kvm related really. | 16:52 |
| inc0 | I know, but they don't work of it at all any more | 16:53 |
| berendt | gema: does this work for you? deprecation of debian images this cycle? | 16:53 |
| berendt | this way we are able to remove them next cycle | 16:53 |
| duonghq | I like idea treating debian-arm is pseudo distro | 16:53 |
| gema | berendt: yes, as long as we are allowed to work on the ARM64 ones going forward, that works | 16:53 |
| berendt | gema: yes of course | 16:54 |
| gema | we will likely also work on centos-arm | 16:54 |
| gema | but I see that as a future thing | 16:54 |
| inc0 | let's make it distros | 16:54 |
| berendt | but it makes no sense to keep the x86 images when nobody works on them and you are only willing to work on arm | 16:54 |
| gema | since there will be 3 of us only working on this part time | 16:54 |
| inc0 | we don't need to change build for these two | 16:54 |
| egonzalez | there is a PS to add powerservers support, already are changing to support different archs in kolla build IIRC | 16:54 |
| berendt | do we need an other vote when we change the scope of the deprecation? | 16:55 |
| inc0 | gema, will we see you in Atlanta? | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think long run having an arch flag would be better then distos per arch | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | just to throw the question out there, | 16:55 |
| gema | inc0: yes, I will try to make time from the interop meetings to come visit you guys | 16:55 |
| berendt | we will keep debian in kolla-ansible, we will deprecate current debian images | 16:55 |
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| kfox1111 | do we beleive in container space, arches are as much work as seperate distros? | 16:55 |
| inc0 | berendt, let's discuss it on PTG | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | I really don't think they are. | 16:55 |
| berendt | ptg is too late for a deprecation? | 16:55 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | egonzalez, power support https://review.openstack.org/423239 | 16:55 |
| gema | kfox1111: I am not sure of the implications of either | 16:55 |
| inc0 | kfox1111, if you look at our debian | 16:55 |
| inc0 | it's 90% of ubuntu with few exceptions | 16:56 |
| egonzalez | Jeffrey4l_: thanks | 16:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | kfox1111: they should be minimal change unless except when building cross arch images e.g. arm images on windows | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: ah. so the debian's not debian. | 16:56 |
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| kfox1111 | inc0: thats still a seperate issue of, do we support a debian with x86/arm, or just arm. | 16:56 |
| inc0 | well names of packages are mostly the same anyway | 16:56 |
| inc0 | we narrowed it down from "nobody cares for debian" to "nobody cares for debian on x86" | 16:57 |
| kfox1111 | I am pretty sure the instructions for building a debian based arm container once multiarch is in kolla's build scripts, will be essentially the same as for x86. | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | inc0: yes currently we dont use the full name | 16:57 |
| kfox1111 | I think that basically comes for free. | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | inc0: we excluded the arch and that is determined by apt/yum | 16:57 |
| gema | kfox1111: if that is the case, we will add it | 16:57 |
| kfox1111 | I guess we can cross that bridge when we get to it though. | 16:57 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:57 |
| berendt | 3 minutes left.. how to proceed? | 16:57 |
| gema | as long as someone can help validating | 16:57 |
| inc0 | berendt, let's hold on with deprecation since gema is volunteering | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | inc0, +1 | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: +1 | 16:58 |
| egonzalez | yep +1 | 16:58 |
| berendt | inc0: ok i will close the vote and send the decision to the list | 16:58 |
| inc0 | and extend debian to pike, then gema can take on fixing it:) | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | if we support arm, it will be easy to support x86/power | 16:58 |
| gema | +1! | 16:58 |
| inc0 | we will need gates tho, I'm adamant about it | 16:58 |
| inc0 | but we'll help | 16:59 |
| inc0 | ok, we ran out of time | 16:59 |
| inc0 | thank you all for coming! | 16:59 |
| gema | thank you! | 16:59 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 25 16:59:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-01-25-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-01-25-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-01-25-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| sean-k-mooney | incO we might be able to get arm gates via qemu emulation | 16:59 |
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