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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 30 08:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 08:00 |
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| eyalb | hi | 08:00 |
| alexey_weyl | Hello there | 08:01 |
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| elisha_r | hi | 08:03 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic plans for Ocata | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "plans for Ocata (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:03 | |
| ifat_afek | let’s start by talking about Ocata. I have some suggestions, will be happy to hear yours | 08:04 |
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| nofarsch | hi guys! | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Top priority: We should finish the integration with RedHat, so we will have vitrage rpms ready | 08:04 |
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| trofoti | Hi guys | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | Integrations with other proejcts are also very important. Aodh for example - we want to be able to show Vitrage alarms in Aodh | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | Another integration is with collectd and DPDK | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | We must complete our commitments to OPNFV Doctor project. We should install Vitrage as part of OPNFV installers (Apex should be the first one), and add Vitrage test scripts to OPNFV testing environment | 08:06 |
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| ifat_afek | We should improve Vitrage UI, mainly the entity graph | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | And support multi-tenancy in the UI. It is partially supported already, but we need to add for example Vitrage menu to Admin | 08:08 |
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| ifat_afek | And obviously - we should add more use cases to Vitrage. We can explore existing Zabbix alarms, and think of ways to add deduced alarms and RCA on top | 08:08 |
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| ifat_afek | Another important goal is to add a persistent graph database, in favor of HA support and alarm history. As this requires a lot of work and Ocata is a very short cycle, I’m not sure we’ll be able to complete this. | 08:09 |
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| ifat_afek | Your comments? other ideas? | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | ifat_afek: sounds good | 08:09 |
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| alexey_weyl | Great success! | 08:10 |
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| elisha_r | I think making vitrage more compatible with all these projects is critical, to help vitrage become more embedded in the community. The DPDK is also very good when thinking about OPNFV context. | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: I agree | 08:11 |
| trinaths | elisha_r: +1 | 08:12 |
| alexey_weyl | multi tenancy already supported in Vitrage, but | 08:13 |
| alexey_weyl | in the horizon at the moment we need to add in the system tab to be able to show all the alarms of all the tennats, and all the whole entity_graph of all the tenants | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: right. thanks for the clarification | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | basically our main goals are to add a persistent graph and history on top of this graph. | 08:15 |
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| eyalb | what about supporting sensu ? | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | also to add database that will store the templates | 08:16 |
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| ifat_afek | eyalb: is there a request for that? | 08:16 |
| eyalb | redhat guys suggested it | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb: ok. I guess adding another datasource is not a lot of work | 08:17 |
| alexey_weyl | and also to handle the new vitrage_id that will more like a UUID and not what we have today | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | the new vitrage_id is very important indeed | 08:17 |
| alexey_weyl | eyalb: the only problem to add such a datasource is to find out how exactly it works, and what we can extract from it | 08:18 |
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| eyalb | its a monitoring tool #link https://sensuapp.org/ | 08:19 |
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| trofoti | @danoffek is currently working on Vitrage ID | 08:19 |
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| eyalb | it is designed to replace nagios and zabbix | 08:19 |
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| eyalb | from their site: Sensu allows you to reuse monitoring checks and plugins from legacy monitoring tools like Nagios, Icinga, Zabbix, and many more. Sensu was designed from day one as a replacement for an aging Nagios installation, and to this day monitoring plugin compatibility remains as one of Sensu's most compelling features | 08:20 |
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| ifat_afek | eyalb: sounds great | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | let’s consider it then | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:22 |
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| ifat_afek | I’m working on a bug with the evaluator | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/vitrage/+bug/1645659 | 08:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1645659 in Vitrage "template actions override one another" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ifat Afek (ifat-afek) | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | turns out that if a scenario has both set-state and mark-down actions, the second one “wins” and the changes of the first one are overwritten. I’m trying to figure out why it happens | 08:22 |
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| ifat_afek | That’s it on my side | 08:22 |
| alexey_weyl | I will update | 08:23 |
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| alexey_weyl | I have done some name changes in the constants file. | 08:23 |
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| alexey_weyl | we have changed the sync_type to datasource_action | 08:24 |
| alexey_weyl | sync_mode to graph_action | 08:24 |
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| alexey_weyl | so it will be more clear and understandable what each one of them means | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: I think it significantly improved the code readability | 08:25 |
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| alexey_weyl | I am glad :) | 08:25 |
| eyalb | I will update | 08:25 |
| eyalb | I added a support for osc in the vitrage client | 08:25 |
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| eyalb | I fixed the devstack installation of the vitrage dashboard | 08:26 |
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| eyalb | and updated the bash completion file of the vitrage client | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb: osc is openstack client? | 08:26 |
| eyalb | thats all | 08:26 |
| eyalb | yes | 08:27 |
| ifat_afek | great | 08:27 |
| alexey_weyl | About the persistent graph which is going to be in Ocata, I think that we should use neo4j for that. | 08:27 |
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| alexey_weyl | Neo4j has a community and many companies use it. | 08:27 |
| ifat_afek | neo4j is probably a good option. we should check what it means to use it in openstack, since I don’t think it is there yet | 08:27 |
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| alexey_weyl | It also has very nice python plugins | 08:28 |
| alexey_weyl | It isn't in Openstack, and need to see how we push it in | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | right, we should make sure there is no license issue | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | anyone else has updates? | 08:29 |
| dwj | I'll update | 08:29 |
| dwj | I finished the code about getting aodh alarm notification, ongoing add the test case. | 08:29 |
| dwj | Still have a issue to improve: may lost notification messaging. How to remedy it, synchronize with snapshot peroidly or something else? It's a little probability. We can improve it after supporting the function | 08:29 |
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| ifat_afek | dwj: thanks for the first change, I think it improved the code | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | as for the second issue - can you ellaborate? | 08:30 |
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| dwj | for example, if we lost alarm.creation notification, the receive another notification about the alrm | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | so you mean we will not know the details of the alarm, if we missed its creation? | 08:32 |
| dwj | we can't get all the alarm info for update the vertex | 08:32 |
| ifat_afek | that’s a problem, I agree | 08:32 |
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| dwj | yes | 08:32 |
| ifat_afek | get_all will fix it, but it happens only once in about 10 minutes I think | 08:32 |
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| ifat_afek | from your experience, does it happen that notifications get lost? because if we start with get_all, and then listen to all notifications, it should be ok, right? | 08:33 |
| dwj | No，it doesn't happen,but it is still a issue to consider | 08:34 |
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| ifat_afek | but if you never seen it happen, then why consider it? I agree that it can be a bug, but if it is a rare occasion then maybe it will be good enough to fix it by the next get_all after a few minutes | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | I’m just trying to understand if you have a specific use case you are worried about. You are right for being worried, but I am trying to understand how often we should expect it to happen | 08:37 |
| dwj | ListenerService should synchronize with snapshotService for get_all, the update the cached alarms | 08:38 |
| ifat_afek | you suggest this as a solution? | 08:38 |
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| dwj | yes, it can be a solution, or when we can't find the alarm in cache,we can query to aodh | 08:40 |
| ifat_afek | ok, I think it may work | 08:41 |
| ifat_afek | getting notification from Aodh is very important, thanks for taking care of it :-) | 08:42 |
| dwj | no problem. :) | 08:42 |
| ifat_afek | any other issues? | 08:43 |
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| dwj | No | 08:44 |
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| ifat_afek | anyone else would like to update? | 08:44 |
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| ifat_afek | goodbye then, see you next week | 08:46 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 08:47:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-11-30-08.00.html | 08:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-11-30-08.00.txt | 08:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-11-30-08.00.log.html | 08:47 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 30 13:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | I guess johnthetubaguy is going to lunch | 13:01 |
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| alex_xu | wait few more minutes | 13:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, yeah, back online | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | daylight saving changed again, so I guess the meeting is right on your lunch time | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its 1pm, which is right at the end of my usual lunch | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | heh | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should remember to actually have lunch on time on a wednesday, my bad | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | so the only topic I have for now is the spec https://review.openstack.org/393205 | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: no worries | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | its way better time than for most folks, so I certainly can't complain! | 13:04 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: but you should lunch on time for health | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats true :) | 13:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I skip some things for work, food is not one of those | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | for the spec, currently found that the sort can't get any help from db index | 13:05 |
| * cdent has not yet had breakfast or lunch :( | 13:06 | |
| alex_xu | cdent: ! | 13:06 |
| cdent | I got distracted :) | 13:06 |
| * cdent blames johnthetubaguy | 13:06 | |
| cdent | (but not really) | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | heh | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | heh | 13:06 |
| jichen | :) | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | I got feedback from jay, keep focus on the filters with index. just good luck for sort | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | so two choices: 1. keep all the sort whatever they can't get help from index. 2. continue to remove those sort with rarely use-case | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | or any better choice | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am still thinking it through | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do we do today, add lots of different sorts, whatever the user says? | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | i don't know | 13:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py#L1103 | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: those are filters | 13:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sorry | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py#L330 | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: you mean? | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/common.py#L145 | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess we allow *anything* for sort params right now | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | and we allow mulitple | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | yes | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | would it be simpler to just have the same list for filtering and sorting? | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | there is no different for allow one or multiple, they can't get benefit from index anyway | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, OK, it does just the one sort run I guess | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea,it can be similar list. But filter with uuid is useful. sort with uuid is useless. | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | why? | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean why is sorting with uuid useless? its a choice I guess | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | sort on random generated uuid, sounds like useless | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | what I mean really is, someone could be doing that today, and we probably shouldn't break them | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | if the rule is 'don't break them', that confuse me also :) | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | well I want to only break them, if we are protecting people from something bad | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: all the sort is bad | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorting on something thats not returned in the API with the same key, is silly | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | none of them can get benefit from index | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | ah, +1 for that point, yea | 13:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we protect them form accidentally being tied to the DB model rather than the API, thats a good step forward here | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | we don't have mapping for display_name=>name, that is another bad thing. | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that should be fixed | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | well allowing both | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | fix in the spec or later? | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | ok | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | although that needs a microversion, in theory, so maybe leave that for later | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yuck, I hate how complicated our past is making all this | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways... baby steps forward here | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | i hate also :) | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | longer term, we can add discoverable policy around sort, and encourage folks to use searchlight instead I guess | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | but for now, folks really seem to rely on sorting, so its here to stay | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think restricting sort and filtering to the same set seems like a minimal level of protection, thats better than the current free for all, but shouldn't break everyone? | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: just one question, so for small size deployment, to use searchlight looks like overhead, so just keep nova native sort for them in the future? | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | really not sure 'break', we can't ensure what people use | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | scratch that last one | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should just call searchlight I guess | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | eventually | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | ok, leave the burden to the deployment tools, hope deployment tools can ease the pain of people :) | 13:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, I guess I mean the small deployments can just use the DB | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | elasticsearch is great, but you do need to feed it memory, from what I remember | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we got a bit distracted | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok,then I'm little prefer to keep sort key which can mapping to the API | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think people rely on us doing sort right now, so we can't remove that | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | we can control that with policy in the future | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly | 13:31 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, that what i thought, we just remove the bad thing. the sort can't get benefit from index, so enable one sort key or enable ten sort keys is same | 13:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking that would mean sorting the list several times, but I assume mysql doesn't do it that way | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | maybe I can do a test later, to see is there any different for one sort key and multiple sort key | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | its worth a quick check I guess | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | particularly on the longer string fields | 13:36 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: just done, very close with one key and mutiple keys | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, lets just not worry about that | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | ok | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | so the plan is the filter list probably is same with current proposal | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | remove the sort which didn't mapping to the API. | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | add mapping for display_name => name | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | I need to check another mapping | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | s/another/any other/ | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | does that sounds cool? | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so filter and sort being the same list? | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | or is that list too small? | 13:42 |
| alex_xu | I guess filter list is small | 13:42 |
| alex_xu | special for non-admin filter list | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | well non-admins should be able to sort on project_id, but I guess it doesn't matter as its a no op sort | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean should not be able | 13:44 |
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| alex_xu | yea | 13:45 |
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| alex_xu | look at the API response, looks like they are close | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like we are closer to agreement | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:47 |
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| alex_xu | at least agreement on the direction. i will work out the final list. I guess that won't be too much different than your expect | 13:48 |
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| alex_xu | emm...I need to check the client also | 13:50 |
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| alex_xu | ensure there isn't anything we break | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | true, it would be bad to break what we advertise in the client | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: emm...we wil remove some filters which support in the client. so I think we can't remove them | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, what are the examples? | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | like --ip, --ip6, --image, --flavor | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | image and flavor seem worth keeping | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | ok | 13:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we should keep ip/ip6 if thats in the client, but I can't say I like that :( | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | and --name | 13:54 |
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| alex_xu | probably the client just adverties the filters for non-admin and few admin-only | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | --name has to stay | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know those don't have an index, but I think thats intentional, becuase the index is more expensive than the gain we get by having it | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/f8a81807e016c17e6c45d318d5c92ba0cc758b01/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py#L1103 | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | heh, ^ probably we just keep this list | 13:56 |
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| alex_xu | yea, name is pattern matching, index won't help | 13:57 |
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| alex_xu | 3 mins left | 13:57 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: so i guess that is the plan, anything more you hope me to notice? | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so IP filter happens in code btw: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/3cd2005523dc83b1cadc956c4f86385766aaf679/nova/compute/api.py#L2433 | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thats in some ways worse, as it means we have to turn off paging | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: anyways, don't need to worry about an index for that one | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: how that works in paging for now? | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | I need to check | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | it's time to close | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I think the expectation is there will only be a very small number of matches | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, got it | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 14:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-11-30-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-11-30-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-11-30-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| dtardivel | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:01 |
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| hvprash_ | hi | 14:01 |
| seanmurphy | hi guys | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | hi | 14:01 |
| dtardivel | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 30 14:01:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtardivel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
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| diga | o/ | 14:01 |
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| licanwei | hi | 14:02 |
| pshedimb | hi | 14:02 |
| brunograz | o/ | 14:02 |
| dtardivel | agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#11.2F30.2F2016 | 14:02 |
| dtardivel | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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| dtardivel | acabot is currently introducing Watcher at Cloud Expo Europe, Paris | 14:03 |
| seanmurphy | cool! | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | +2 | 14:04 |
| dtardivel | so, he asked me to lead this meeting today ;) | 14:04 |
| hvprash_ | nice ! | 14:04 |
| dtardivel | #link http://www.cloudexpoeurope.fr/english/about-cloud-expo-europe-paris | 14:04 |
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| dtardivel | This is meanly a summit for french cloud experts | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | you mean 'mainly" right ;-) | 14:05 |
| dtardivel | He is on stage now for 30mn :) | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | very cool! | 14:05 |
| dtardivel | mainly yep | 14:05 |
| dtardivel | another point: If you have a look on github project, we have now a flag 'project/official' on README page | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | very cool! | 14:06 |
| dtardivel | #link: https://github.com/openstack/python-watcherclient#team-and-repository-tags | 14:06 |
| jwcroppe | nice, that's great to see | 14:07 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: can you merge this patch for watcher-specs project please #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402979/ | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | hey jwcroppe! your are back! great to see you again | 14:07 |
| jwcroppe | tangential question - is reviwew.openstack.org slow for anyone today? | 14:07 |
| dtardivel | jwcroppe: it is ok from France | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | dtardivel: done | 14:08 |
| jwcroppe | sballe_: hey there - yes, thanks - finally all moved and things settled down a bit. I've been trying to get the new house all organized in my 'spare time' :) | 14:08 |
| dtardivel | Other announcements from you side ? | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | no not from me | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe | will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402979/ after the meeting | 14:10 |
| dtardivel | jwcroppe: sballe has just set W+1 :) | 14:11 |
| dtardivel | #topic Review Action Items | 14:11 |
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| dtardivel | Watcher specs | 14:11 |
| sballe_ | I figured it looked straight forward | 14:11 |
| jwcroppe | yep, looked good | 14:12 |
| dtardivel | Define grammar for workload characterization need a new PS | 14:12 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:12 |
| hvprash_ | yes dtardivel, i will add a new PS | 14:12 |
| hvprash_ | seanmurphy, thanks for the review and comments. I will take a look on your comments and a new PS. | 14:12 |
| seanmurphy | hvprash_: np - hope it was useful | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | hvprash_: we can work on it together I have thougth about some of the comments | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | seanmurphy: it was | 14:12 |
| hvprash_ | frankly, i haven't had a chance to look into your comments. Its been a big week for us due to thanks giving retail etc.. | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | 100% understand... | 14:13 |
| hvprash_ | i am going to spend sometime this week | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | I am glad you guys are doing well | 14:13 |
| hvprash_ | thanks sballe_ :) | 14:13 |
| dtardivel | #action hvprash_, seanmurphy complete https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 14:14 |
| dtardivel | Define when an action plan is stale/invalid needs reviews | 14:14 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ | 14:14 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: or jwcroppe : as core reviewer, could you have a look on this one ? | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | yes I will do it | 14:15 |
| hvprash_ | will do | 14:15 |
| jwcroppe | yep | 14:15 |
| dtardivel | thx | 14:15 |
| dtardivel | #action sballe_, jwcroppe, hvprash_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ | 14:16 |
| dtardivel | Audit tag in VM Metadata needs reviews as well | 14:16 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | yes I thought I had reviwed it but I guess not | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | it is my plan to look at it | 14:16 |
| hvprash_ | yes, thanks to vincent for thoise comments. | 14:16 |
| hvprash_ | I need to review that | 14:16 |
| dtardivel | #action sballe_ dtardivel will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 14:17 |
| dtardivel | Add improvements to the planner and workflow mechanisms needs reviews as well :) | 14:17 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:17 |
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| dtardivel | alexchain is not online. | 14:18 |
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| dtardivel | I think we have now a complete description of what we should implement. Core reviews is now required :) | 14:19 |
| dtardivel | #action acabot will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | ok. I would like some +1s here from non core members as well | 14:20 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: ok | 14:20 |
| dtardivel | #action dtardivel will review last update on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | this is an important specs so I would like some more eyes on it and then we +2 it | 14:20 |
| licanwei | +1 | 14:21 |
| dtardivel | licanwei: do you want review it ? | 14:21 |
| licanwei | yes | 14:21 |
| dtardivel | licanwei: thx | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | #action licanwei will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | Support Description For Dynamic Action needs reviews | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401111/ | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | I reviewed it this morning. We can ask to hanrong a new update first | 14:23 |
| sballe_ | yes just saw that | 14:23 |
| dtardivel | #action hanrong will update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401111/ | 14:24 |
| dtardivel | Other specs in your mind ? | 14:24 |
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| sballe_ | just as an FYI I will start working on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:25 |
| sballe_ | pshedimb: will be co-author as well | 14:25 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: ok. is it something you would like for ocata ? | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | yes I believe we have it for ocata-3 | 14:26 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: ok | 14:26 |
| dtardivel | Let's review actions for watcher project | 14:27 |
| dtardivel | centralise-config-opts needs reviews | 14:27 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/centralise-config-opts | 14:27 |
| pshedimb | i'm working on your comments dtardivel | 14:27 |
| sballe_ | pshedimb: did you have questions on the dbmanage one? | 14:28 |
| pshedimb | Yeah I did | 14:28 |
| dtardivel | pshedimb: yes I reviewed one changeset this morning. | 14:28 |
| sballe_ | pshedimb: did you get them answered? | 14:29 |
| pshedimb | Not yet | 14:29 |
| pshedimb | Can I ask it here? | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | sure if it is quick | 14:29 |
| dtardivel | pshedimb: please ask on openstack-watcher, just after the meeting | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | ok :-) | 14:29 |
| dtardivel | pshedimb: you have just 1mn :) | 14:29 |
| pshedimb | watcher/cmd/dbmanage.py | 14:30 |
| pshedimb | which opt group does this come under? | 14:30 |
| dtardivel | pshedimb: ok on openstack-watcher later :) I have not the answer | 14:30 |
| pshedimb | Default? | 14:30 |
| pshedimb | okay. | 14:30 |
| dtardivel | pshedimb: please ring me later | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | check the state of action plan needs discussions | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | dtardivel: so pshedimb can chat with you rigth after the meeting? | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | licanwei: What is the status ? | 14:32 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: yep | 14:32 |
| pshedimb | okay dtardivel | 14:32 |
| licanwei | dtardivel: I'll add a new PS | 14:33 |
| dtardivel | #action licanwei will add a new PS on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ | 14:33 |
| dtardivel | Add auto_trigger support to watcher needs reviews ? | 14:34 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403718/ | 14:34 |
| dtardivel | alexchain is not online. This changeset is tagged [WIP]. Let move to the next ... | 14:35 |
| dtardivel | Specific exception for stale cluster state was added needs reviews | 14:35 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399202/ | 14:35 |
| dtardivel | no update ? | 14:36 |
| dtardivel | no update ... :) I will ask to acabot to contact Anton to get news | 14:37 |
| hvprash_ | dtardivel, i will try to find from anton | 14:37 |
| hvprash_ | he was working on it | 14:37 |
| dtardivel | hvprash_: what is the Anton's nickname ? | 14:38 |
| hvprash_ | eil397 | 14:38 |
| dtardivel | hvprash_: yes of course, :) | 14:38 |
| hvprash_ | sure :) | 14:38 |
| dtardivel | eil397: ^^^^ | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | trying .... | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | Add auto_trigger in audit API needs a status | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398044/ | 14:40 |
| dtardivel | diga: any update ? | 14:40 |
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| dtardivel | #action diga please update your changeset to fix failure jobs | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | Fix rally gate test has been merged this morning | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398180/ | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | Since last week, I merged several little patches improving our source code. Thx a lot everybody :) | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | let's move to actions on watcherclient project | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | Add auto_trigger support needs reviews ? | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403716/ | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | who want to review it ? | 14:44 |
| dtardivel | oups sorry it is tagged [WIP] as well | 14:44 |
| dtardivel | #action alexchadin please update status on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403716/ | 14:45 |
| dtardivel | Add functional tests to watcherclient needs reviews | 14:45 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389181/ | 14:45 |
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| dtardivel | I asked to alexchain a new section in README doc. But more reviewer is welcome on this changeset | 14:46 |
| dtardivel | nobody want to know how Tempest works for cli ? :) | 14:48 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:48 |
| dtardivel | changes to make consistent with other openstack component needs reviews | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403434/ | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | ok I reviewed it this morning. I waiting for an update from Lucky | 14:49 |
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| dtardivel | 10 mn left .... quick quick quick | 14:50 |
| dtardivel | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:50 |
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| dtardivel | sballe_: your strategy documentation has been merged | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | yes thank you | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | thx for all the reviews, comments, and +1s | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | I will work on the next two docs now | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | dtardivel: and off course your +2 | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: what about nishi's strategy doc (airflow) ? | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | I will do all the intel docs | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: cool | 14:52 |
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| dtardivel | Any comments on BP ? | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | I just wanted this one completed first so I didn;t have 3 in flux with the same comments | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | #topic Open discussions | 14:54 |
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| sballe_ | I would like to understand if I have to pay $100 to attend the cross project meet up in Feb. | 14:54 |
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| sballe_ | I tried to register abd evenbrite wanted $100 | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | acabot: was suppose to ask ttx but I haven't heard back from him | 14:54 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: I really don't know | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | ok has anybody signed up for the meetup? | 14:55 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: I will discuss with acabot tomorrow if you want | 14:55 |
| sballe_ | yes please | 14:55 |
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| dtardivel | #action dtardivel query acabot about $100 tax from eventbrite for cross project meet up | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | also atuly is trying to figure out who to talk to to get a letter for his visa | 14:56 |
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| hvprash_ | sballe_ do you have the eventbrite link ? | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | i refered himto acabot | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | hvprash_: yes one sec | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-27549298694#tickets | 14:57 |
| hvprash_ | thanks | 14:57 |
| sballe_ | http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 14:57 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: thx | 14:58 |
| dtardivel | Other points (in 2mn) | 14:58 |
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| sballe_ | nope I am done :-) | 14:59 |
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| dtardivel | no, so have a good day, afternoon, night everyone | 14:59 |
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| dtardivel | please see you again next week | 15:00 |
| dtardivel | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 15:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-11-30-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-11-30-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-11-30-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| jwcroppe | thanks - reviewing specs now :) | 15:00 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 30 15:01:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:01 |
| serverascode | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:02 | |
| ad_rien_ | hi all | 15:02 |
| serverascode | hi ad_rien_ | 15:02 |
| GeraldK | hi | 15:02 |
| GeraldK | btw, what does "o/" mean? | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | it's meant to be like a person putting their hand up | 15:03 |
| serverascode | saying "I'm here" :) | 15:03 |
| GeraldK | serverascode: yes, I saw it was used in this context. thanks for the explanation of "hands up" | 15:03 |
| serverascode | anyone else here for the ops telecom/nfv meeting or just us three? | 15:04 |
| GeraldK | some public holiday today in some countries?!? | 15:05 |
| serverascode | ok so far just the three of us :) | 15:05 |
| serverascode | I know one person said they were not able to make it today | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | I didn't see your email | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | BTW serverascode so maybe this can explain that | 15:05 |
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| serverascode | ad_rien_ yes good point. I have only been emailing the openstack-operators list, I think perhaps I should gather everyone's email to sent out notices | 15:06 |
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| serverascode | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-November/012213.html | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | serverascode: thanks for the link | 15:07 |
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| serverascode | #action serverascode to put a contact section in the agenda etherpad | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | I think I will gather contact emails and send out to more than just the ops list | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | ok, so otherwise, the only thing I had on the agenda was continuing our conversation on NFVi/multi-site etc | 15:09 |
| serverascode | anyone have anything else to add to the agenda? | 15:09 |
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| serverascode | if so just go ahead and add it | 15:10 |
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| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:10 |
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| serverascode | #topic mid to long term project around NFVi | 15:10 |
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| serverascode | so last meeting we had a good discussion about NFVi and also we tried to figure out if multi-site/region/cloud was also part of that | 15:11 |
| serverascode | I noticed that OPNFV has a multi-site project | 15:11 |
| serverascode | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/multisite/Multisite+Deployment+Environment | 15:11 |
| serverascode | anyone have any further thoughts on that? | 15:11 |
| jamemcc | Hi - Jamey McCabe here now also. | 15:12 |
| serverascode | if we do think that multi-site is important to us, then it might make sense to work with that OPNFV project | 15:12 |
| serverascode | hi jamecc :) | 15:12 |
| * ad_rien_ is giving a look to the OPNFV link | 15:12 | |
| serverascode | there is also some kind of related project called kingbird | 15:13 |
| serverascode | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kingbird | 15:13 |
| serverascode | not sure how that relates to multi-site or the tricircle project... | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | yyes | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | tricricle is now only focusing on the network part | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | kingbird seems to address everything | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. like the initial goal of Tricircle) | 15:15 |
| GeraldK | as a proposal: there had been some confusion last meeting around what is a "NFVI reference architecture". we seem to mean something like OpenStack + neutron-sfc, right? From ETSI point of view, OpenStack is the VIM and runs on top of the NFVI, so maybe be choosing a different name for the intended reference architecture could solve our confusions. what do you think? | 15:15 |
| serverascode | GeraldK right my mistake, I keep saying NFVi | 15:16 |
| GeraldK | e.g. use "minimal benchmarking reference architecture"? | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm still confused about what will be the minimal benchmarking reference. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | several independant openstack instances? only one? | 15:17 |
| GeraldK | serverascode: np. just that we use NFVI now already in several places e.g. the Etherpad | 15:17 |
| serverascode | ad_rien_ yes this is where we got stuck last meeting :) | 15:17 |
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| GeraldK | let's talk first about the test/benchmarks we want to initially work on. then, we can see what benchmark reference architecture we need | 15:17 |
| serverascode | GeraldK I agree | 15:18 |
| jamemcc | I agree | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm not working for a telco so please feel free to start the discussion ;) | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | As I mentioned, I just want to see whether there can be common actions with the massively distributed WG | 15:19 |
| serverascode | my thinking has been that service function chaining (SFC) is a key feature for minimal benchmarking reference | 15:19 |
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| serverascode | so an openstack VIM which has the ability to do SFC, probably via networking-sfc | 15:20 |
| serverascode | but that's just me | 15:20 |
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| serverascode | anyone have any thoughts on that? | 15:21 |
| GeraldK | i did not propose this benchmarking topic :) | 15:21 |
| GeraldK | not sure what the people proposing it had in mind when proposing it | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | If I'm right the idea was to identify limitations/missing features | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | of the Openstack vanilla code w-r-t the NFV use-cses | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | By conducting such experiments it will be possible to present strong arguments to the different openstack projects | 15:23 |
| serverascode | that was my impression, where also the simple creation of a reference architecture is also valuable | 15:23 |
| serverascode | just doing that would be of some use, and then testing it from both a functional and performance view would also be beneficial | 15:24 |
| jamemcc | I didn't either - but it made sense to me. I interpreted Benchmarking as a performance topic. Performance being response time and throughput. So minimal benchmarking could be measuring something like response time and throughput within and across openstack instances. | 15:24 |
| serverascode | and would likely allow us to work with various groups like OPNFV, OpenStack Performance group, etc | 15:24 |
| serverascode | I think the word "benchmarking" might have also been used in such a way that it also meant functional testing | 15:25 |
| serverascode | so not just performance, but actually ensuring the features we need are there and are working | 15:25 |
| serverascode | But, I am typing a lot, and what this group does is up to the group, which means we need to solve the problems we are actually encountering | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:26 |
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| jamemcc | I thought of it as having a baseline/minimal architecture that provided a recognized throughput and from that you could have a few persuits. 1. Imporve (or at least maintain) performance release over release. Have a better measure on which vendors or specialized projects could claim great imporvements. | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: +1 serverascode: can you elaborate the use-case you envision | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | please? | 15:27 |
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| serverascode | I haven't though too much about the use case, but my thinking was mostly around networking-sfc | 15:28 |
| serverascode | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-sfc/ | 15:28 |
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| serverascode | I am not a telecom expert by any stretch, but it seems to me like SFC is pretty important to most use-cases | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | do you think we can find a key thread that will guide us in our action | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. a concrete use-case that can illustrate the networking-sfc you mention | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. what are the software components that should be deployed? and where (i.e; how these services should be consolidated through the different VMs) | 15:30 |
| serverascode | the most common thing I see with SFC is "virtual customer premise equipment" (vCPE) | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:30 |
| serverascode | but I'm not too sure how valuable that actually is? | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | so the idea can be to identify what is the minimal infrastructure | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | for being able to provide vCPE? and I guess that the VM that host the vCPE should be deployed as close as possible to | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | the customer location? | 15:31 |
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| jamemcc | Just following the line of thinking of a functional benchmark. Bascially could define a number of somewhat simple and straightforward NFV use cases: e.g. Firewall, Load Balancer, Audio / Video Conferencing or maybe the benchmark would be an arrangement of a few of those that sets up the "chain" | 15:32 |
| GeraldK | jamemcc +1 | 15:32 |
| serverascode | yeah that'd be great :) | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok but we should chose one, shouldn't we? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | at least for moving forward | 15:33 |
| serverascode | probably one to start then add more use-cases as we see fit | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:34 |
| serverascode | thoughts? concerns about using a vCPE an SFC use case for our minimal reference architecture? | 15:35 |
| GeraldK | if I remember right, we had choosen in total 3 or 4 mid to long term projects. should we also spend some meeting time on those? | 15:35 |
| serverascode | ok, how about I write up a basic vCPE + SFC use-case and we discuss next meeting, and we move on to other potential projects? | 15:35 |
| GeraldK | serverascode: sounds good to me | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | +& | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:36 |
| serverascode | #action serverascode write up basic vCPE + SFC use case to discuss next meeting | 15:36 |
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| serverascode | #topic Other mid-to-long term projects to consider working on | 15:36 |
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| serverascode | ok GeraldK did you have some other project ideas? | 15:37 |
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| GeraldK | from the meeting we also had Rolling/live upgrades/updates and VNF onboarding with many votes | 15:37 |
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| GeraldK | I am interested in the rolling/live upgrades | 15:38 |
| GeraldK | for an operator, each upgrade comes at high cost (for integration, testing, ..) and high risk | 15:38 |
| serverascode | yeah and in a telecom environment it could be even harder | 15:39 |
| serverascode | are you most concerned about the openstack control plane, or the virtual machine data plane? | 15:39 |
| GeraldK | so, currently, operators tend to even skip some releases and just upgrade when an important new function/feature/improvement is available | 15:39 |
| serverascode | and I don't think you can skip versions any more | 15:40 |
| GeraldK | whereas the goal could be to reduce the efforts and risks such that telcos are more willing to upgrade more often | 15:41 |
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| serverascode | I do think that is an important topic and would be worth spending time on | 15:42 |
| GeraldK | as far as I know, if we as a Telco get a new version from our integrator, this will skip a few OS releases. but of course that means extra (proprietary) efforts on the integrator side | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | with the adoption of OpenStack on top of containers, such upgrades should become easier | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | but I agree the distributed context of telcos makes the story more complex | 15:42 |
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| GeraldK | Telcos are very conservative on this regards. in the past with the legacy HW upgrades had been very rare. | 15:43 |
| serverascode | GeraldK are you interested in this from a high-level, like how to approach upgrading? or the actual technical details? | 15:43 |
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| serverascode | and do you care about the openstack API uptime or just that your virtual machines stay up and running and don't lose any packets? | 15:44 |
| GeraldK | more high-level I would say. what are requirements from operators/telcos, how can those be realized by openstack and where do we see gaps that we could then trigger to be addressed | 15:45 |
| GeraldK | I care about the Telco service staying up and running and not loosing any calls / connections during the upgrade | 15:45 |
| serverascode | ok | 15:46 |
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| GeraldK | as well as reducing the complexity and efforts to test the new versions | 15:46 |
| serverascode | good point on testing, that is hard to do | 15:46 |
| serverascode | I think it would be worthwhile putting together an upgrading document of some kind, something that discusses these requirements and issues | 15:47 |
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| GeraldK | during the upgrade phase you might even have entities running different versions in parallel | 15:48 |
| serverascode | do you want to put together maybe a paragraph or so on this project idea and we can discuss it more next meeting? | 15:49 |
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| GeraldK | +1 to start a document. it can also collect ongoing activites around upgrading | 15:49 |
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| GeraldK | okay. I can give it a start. | 15:49 |
| serverascode | #action GeraldK write up a paragraph or so on the upgrading project idea to discuss next meeting | 15:50 |
| serverascode | ok about 10 min left, anything we are missing today? | 15:50 |
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| serverascode | ad_rien_ jamemcc any additional thoughts? | 15:51 |
| jamemcc | In our LCOO workign group we also have raised the issue and pretty much agreed we share the concern and situation and approach as stated by GeraldK. We want this topic to get more attention - basically upgradeability. We found though as we started to dig a little deeper that we couldn't easily identify user stories and that our being behind 2-4 releases made it really our own issue - nothing we could point out for an upcoming release. | 15:51 |
| jamemcc | But I can try to generate interest / help for this from the LCOO members. | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | not on my side.. (sorry a few busy and so not so reactive today) | 15:51 |
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| serverascode | ad_rien_ no worries :) | 15:51 |
| GeraldK | jamemcc, can you point me to some docs / discussion on this? | 15:52 |
| serverascode | jamecc is the LCOO mostly starting to work on user stories to start? | 15:52 |
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| jamemcc | Kind of a mixed bag - we are pushing joint user stories - but we also have involvement in current projects so are trying to also generate more cooperation around projects the various members are already workign on. | 15:53 |
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| jamemcc | Yeah GeraldK - I'll try to pull from some of our early meeting notes | 15:53 |
| GeraldK | thanks jamemcc | 15:54 |
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| serverascode | ok, well that was a good meeting, we certainly have some direction to go in now :) | 15:54 |
| serverascode | anyone have any last comments? | 15:55 |
| serverascode | if you want me to send you an email before each meeting, feel free to put your email in the agenda page | 15:56 |
| serverascode | under "contact emails" | 15:56 |
| serverascode | otherwise I usually email the openstack operators list the day before as well | 15:56 |
| jamemcc | Thanks Curtis - good job | 15:56 |
| serverascode | thanks jamemcc :) | 15:57 |
| serverascode | I'll end the meeting and we'll talk in a couple weeks | 15:57 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| GeraldK | bye | 15:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 15:57:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-11-30-15.01.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-11-30-15.01.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-11-30-15.01.log.html | 15:57 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 30 15:59:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:59 |
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| inc0 | #topic rollcall, w00t please! | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall, w00t please! (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:59 | |
| duonghq | w00t!!! o/ | 15:59 |
| wirehead_ | meow | 15:59 |
| rhallisey | meow meow | 15:59 |
| duonghq | wirehead_, meo,,,,, | 15:59 |
| inc0 | lol | 15:59 |
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| Jeffrey4l | woot | 16:00 |
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| sbezverk | o/ | 16:00 |
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| zhubingbing_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | I forgot or we have new kollish? | 16:00 |
| sbezverk | sorry wirehead_ I am dog guy ;-) | 16:00 |
| pbourke_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| inc0 | ^._.^ | 16:01 |
| berendt | o/ | 16:01 |
| jascott1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| pbourke_ | finally remembered the correct time | 16:01 |
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| berendt | pbourke_: dito :) | 16:01 |
| inc0 | yes, pbourke_ that would be hard for someone as far away from GMT as you are;) | 16:01 |
| sayantani01_ | w00t | 16:01 |
| duonghq | nice to see both of you pbourke_, berendt | 16:01 |
| portdirect | o/ | 16:01 |
| pbourke_ | inc0: :P | 16:02 |
| sdake | WOOT | 16:02 |
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| duonghq | sdake, WOOT finally? | 16:02 |
| sdake | you got it | 16:02 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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| sdake | one time only :) | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | I have one. I'm going for PTO + moving across country from 6th Dec till pretty much holiday. I won't be around (will try to join in every now and then but can't promise) | 16:03 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l graciously agreed to help me and cover for me during this time | 16:04 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l ++ | 16:04 |
| zhubingbing_ | ＋＋ | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | may need some help from sdake ;) | 16:04 |
| inc0 | so, if there is anything needing immediate attention, he's your guys. I'll also can be reached by email or just wait till I'm back | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | anyway, that being said, let's kick this off by handing this meeting to Jeffrey4l | 16:05 |
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| inc0 | #chair Jeffrey4l | 16:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Jeffrey4l inc0 | 16:05 |
| inc0 | you're up:) | 16:05 |
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| sdake | Jeffrey4l you got it | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | our agenda is not updated recently. | 16:05 |
| inc0 | yeah, that's not news;0 | 16:05 |
| inc0 | so I can throw first topic | 16:06 |
| Jeffrey4l | other annoucement from community? | 16:06 |
| inc0 | our voting of splitting core teams ends today and so far we seems to be in agreement | 16:06 |
| sdake | on Jeffrey4l 's point - i think it would be helpful for everyone to update the agenda | 16:06 |
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| sdake | rather then relying on one person to do the job | 16:06 |
| berendt | uh. looks like i missed this mail. | 16:07 |
| portdirect | will do :) | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | re agenda: update the wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla before meeting please :) | 16:07 |
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| inc0 | well not splitting cores | 16:07 |
| inc0 | that cores form kolla-ansible woudl vote for kolla-ansible cores and so on | 16:07 |
| inc0 | that's effectively team split | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. next topic? | 16:08 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #topic heka alternative | 16:09 |
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| Jeffrey4l | this is talked in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/108011.html | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | recently. | 16:09 |
| wirehead_ | One might say we've discussed it a heka lot of times. | 16:10 |
| sdake | wirehead_ lol | 16:10 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think we need make the choice right now. | 16:10 |
| Jeffrey4l | yep. | 16:10 |
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| Jeffrey4l | i think the fluentd win finally. | 16:10 |
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| sdake | Jeffrey4l right now or kick it to pike | 16:10 |
| Jeffrey4l | any idea on this? | 16:10 |
| sdake | i have a bit of concern about the short schedule we have in ocata | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. yes. | 16:11 |
| sdake | and not cratering kolla in the process | 16:11 |
| berendt | i would prefer to work on it right now | 16:11 |
| portdirect | +1 to Fluentd, simply beause a lot of k8s support is there | 16:11 |
| sbezverk | hurray for fluentd ;-) | 16:11 |
| sdake | ok - again just an opion | 16:11 |
| berendt | fluentd works for me, i do not have a strong behavior.. | 16:11 |
| inc0 | yeah fluentd is cool as it's cncf project now | 16:12 |
| sdake | i'd recommend we work on a stack of patches rather then merging | 16:12 |
| inc0 | my reservations for fluentd were because of billing model afair | 16:12 |
| berendt | sdake: +1 | 16:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, +1 | 16:12 |
| sdake | purupose of that is to hedge, in case the implementation doesn't work | 16:12 |
| inc0 | but as its cncf project now, that's done | 16:12 |
| inc0 | so for Snap credit, it will allow us to have similar functionality to heka in a month or so, as far as I know from team managing it | 16:13 |
| inc0 | but I understand, maturity | 16:13 |
| berendt | i think we should try to make fluentd swapable | 16:13 |
| sdake | we also have a general rule inc0 we adapt to our upstreams and don't wait for them to publish features | 16:13 |
| berendt | that it is not a big deal to replace it in the future | 16:13 |
| berendt | maybe we have the same issue with fluentd in a few months | 16:13 |
| sdake | berendt no doubt about it ;) | 16:14 |
| inc0 | so yeah, I think that thing is swappable on it's own | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | #action migrate from heka fluentd with a stack of patches. merged until it works. | 16:14 |
| sdake | not merged ? | 16:14 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l: will you send out an update to openstack-dev? | 16:14 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l you can use #undo to undo an action | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | #undo | 16:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x7fbb93d96790> | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | #action migrate from heka fluentd with a stack of patches. not merged until it works. | 16:15 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l and then do the action again - merged until works doesn't mean what I think you meant it to :) | 16:15 |
| sdake | sweet :) | 16:15 |
| portdirect | Jeffrey4l: s/untill/when | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, thanks. | 16:15 |
| sdake | portdirect its gefn :) | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | why openstack-dev? | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | berendt, ^ | 16:16 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l: we discussed it there and i think we should note that we decided to use fluentd | 16:16 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l so people know the action | 16:16 |
| zhubingbing_ | ＋1 | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | should we send mail to openstack-ops, right? | 16:17 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, let's send email when we merge stuff | 16:17 |
| inc0 | to ops | 16:17 |
| berendt | inc0: +1 | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | OK. | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | i will send the mail. | 16:17 |
| inc0 | as we might end up having some sort of strange technical issues | 16:17 |
| inc0 | never know | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | next topic is? i have no right now | 16:17 |
| inc0 | I wanted to talk about changes in core polict | 16:18 |
| inc0 | #topic core team policy change | 16:18 |
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| inc0 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107457.html | 16:18 |
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| inc0 | voting ends today eod, but so far it's unanimous +1 so I expect it to pass | 16:18 |
| inc0 | that effectively means that we will have separate core teams for all 3 deliverables | 16:19 |
| inc0 | kolla, kolla-k8s and kolla-ansible | 16:19 |
| berendt | does this also mean that we split the meetings? | 16:19 |
| inc0 | no, meetings, irc channel, community is the same | 16:19 |
| inc0 | it's just for logistics of reviews | 16:20 |
| portdirect | sounds good | 16:20 |
| qwang | should we merge kolla and kolla-kubernetes? | 16:20 |
| inc0 | we work to clean up kolla-kubernetes core team to better show who really cares about project;) | 16:20 |
| duonghq | qwang, no.... | 16:20 |
| inc0 | qwang, no, both of them are separate | 16:21 |
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| inc0 | same as ansible | 16:21 |
| inc0 | now | 16:21 |
| sdake | inc0 the cleanup stuff is intenral core business - and shouldn't be discussed in the meeting fwiw :) | 16:21 |
| inc0 | well, fair enough;) | 16:22 |
| inc0 | anyway, most importantly core teams now will have ability to nominate and vote for their own memeber | 16:23 |
| inc0 | s | 16:23 |
| portdirect | sdake / sbezverk: wanna talk about the progress on kolla-kubernetes helm? | 16:24 |
| duonghq | +1 portdirect | 16:24 |
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| inc0 | heh, I guess we exhausted this topic?;) ok, let's move on | 16:24 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic kolla-kubernetes helm | 16:24 |
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| sbezverk | finally we got into the agreement how helm temaplating will look like | 16:24 |
| portdirect | +2 | 16:25 |
| duonghq | thank sbezverk, kfox1111 on it | 16:25 |
| sbezverk | so with merging a couple of PS people will be able to replicate merged solution and start adding templates | 16:25 |
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| sbezverk | we have a white board with planned services/microservices please pick the one you like and go .... | 16:26 |
| sdake | sbezverk i think the whiteboard is not filled out | 16:26 |
| sdake | sbezverk i'll do that after this meeting assuming i don't have another ;) | 16:26 |
| sbezverk | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+spec/helm-microservices | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | do we have any example on how to do this? which will be helpful for others to join. | 16:27 |
| sdake | ya no work items | 16:27 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l indeed that is what the whiteboard patchsets are | 16:27 |
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| sbezverk | sdake: oh so we did not move from helm-packages BP the whiteborad we had there? | 16:27 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l mind adding an action for me to fill out the work items | 16:27 |
| sdake | sbezverk not whiteboard, the work items | 16:27 |
| sdake | the whiteboared is for status udpates | 16:27 |
| sdake | the work items are for organizing the work | 16:27 |
| sbezverk | sdake: right | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | #action sdake add work item for bp helm-microservices | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+spec/helm-microservices | 16:28 |
| portdirect | I've also been working on a dev env, based on halycon-k8s, that I've started to docs for - so once kfox's work is merged in, i'll try and get that doc'd as well and we should be able to get a real head of steam up :) | 16:28 |
| sdake | portdirect ++ | 16:28 |
| sdake | portdirect so your dev env, i'm using it | 16:29 |
| sdake | what else is needed? | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | feel free to take some item from this bp. we'd better finish this before m2. | 16:29 |
| sbezverk | good job portdirect, I saw the results of your doc in sdake testbed, looks good | 16:29 |
| portdirect | not much really - though I'm gonna retire my halycon-k8s fork (hopfully today) | 16:30 |
| portdirect | and document getting kubectl and helm clients installed on the localhost | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | anything else on this topic? | 16:30 |
| portdirect | from there the workflow should be really easy for a developer to use | 16:30 |
| jascott1 | do we also need a setup_dev.sh ? | 16:30 |
| wirehead_ | yay. :) | 16:30 |
| portdirect | jascott1: on it :) | 16:31 |
| sdake | portdirect thats a great idea - kubectl and helm clients on lcoal host | 16:31 |
| sdake | jascott1 defien setup_dev.sh for us :) | 16:31 |
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| portdirect | and destroy_dev.sh... | 16:32 |
| jascott1 | things from setup_gate.sh but for local dev | 16:32 |
| portdirect | ^^ | 16:32 |
| sdake | one thing i'd like to ensure is we dont muck up developer systems with a bunch of crap | 16:32 |
| sdake | reference: devstack | 16:32 |
| sdake | people run devstack in vms for a reason | 16:32 |
| jascott1 | there are these things called containers... | 16:32 |
| sdake | i want to run kolla-kubernetes on my bare metal | 16:33 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, making kollak-k8s not be like devstack was a very large motivator. :) | 16:33 |
| sdake | rahter i want to do dev of kolla-kubernetes on bare metal | 16:33 |
| inc0 | I have an idea, let's deploy it with kolla and it will be all great | 16:33 |
| sdake | if that means its in a vagrant box on my localhost | 16:33 |
| portdirect | sdake: thats very close :) | 16:33 |
| sdake | thats cool | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | this is what I used: https://github.com/kubernetes/kube-deploy/tree/master/docker-multinode | 16:33 |
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| sdake | portdirect what you got now is good for devs | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | only issue for multinode is you need a 2nd bm machine or a vm | 16:34 |
| sdake | portdirect setup_dev.sh may be good too - have to see in review :) | 16:34 |
| portdirect | the vagrant is just setting up come vm's to then run ansible on - I'll document running on baremetal... | 16:34 |
| sdake | portdirect nah thats not what i meant | 16:34 |
| sdake | portdirect your docs are perfect from my pov +/- some deltas | 16:35 |
| duonghq | rhallisey, it's a good option | 16:35 |
| sdake | portdirect devs dont want their systems destroyed by the development environment | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | if you have 1 vagrant box setup to run https://github.com/kubernetes/kube-deploy/blob/master/docker-multinode/worker.sh | 16:36 |
| sdake | which in essence, is what devstack does | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | & run on your host: https://github.com/kubernetes/kube-deploy/blob/master/docker-multinode/master.sh | 16:36 |
| portdirect | sdake: +1 | 16:36 |
| sdake | portdirect so keep at it, my only recommendaiton there is to keep setup_dev.sh whtaever that is, constrained to not installing a bajillion things :) | 16:36 |
| sdake | portdirect i think your docs are pretty close to mergeable now as is but we can sort that out in gerrit | 16:37 |
| sdake | portdirect if you do a setup_dev.sh would you do it in a followup? | 16:37 |
| sdake | whenever i see setup_dev.sh I think "setup_devSTACK.sh" :) | 16:37 |
| portdirect | sdake: yeah - it wont do anything other than setup kubectl and helm clients | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://github.com/kubernetes/kube-deploy/tree/master/docker-multinode | 16:38 |
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| sdake | rhallisey v1k0d3n and crew have produced a nice development environment that we are using as an upstream | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | cool | 16:38 |
| sdake | i really like it alot | 16:39 |
| jascott1 | me too | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | let's move on? | 16:39 |
| sdake | runs on one node - simualtes multiple nodes, fast to setup, fast to teardwon | 16:39 |
| portdirect | rhallisey: kube-deploy is better for production (ATM at least in my opnion) - but this is just for getting a quick and dirty mutinode env up and running | 16:39 |
| sdake | hits all the checkboxes ;) | 16:40 |
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| portdirect | Jeffrey4l: yeah | 16:40 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l sure | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | nice | 16:40 |
| Jeffrey4l | #open discussion | 16:40 |
| sdake | oh wait one moment jeffrey4l | 16:40 |
| sdake | maybe i wasn't paying attention | 16:40 |
| sdake | did we have the kolla-kubernetes topic? | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, we are just now. | 16:41 |
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| sdake | ok in open discussion - wfm :) | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | but it is marked as `kolla-kubernetes helm` | 16:41 |
| srwilkers_ | o/ | 16:41 |
| sdake | oh i see. | 16:41 |
| sdake | ok, well i'll do a general update here in open discussion | 16:41 |
| * srwilkers_ is very late | 16:41 | |
| sdake | sup srwilkers_ | 16:41 |
| portdirect | srwilkers_: o/ | 16:41 |
| sdake | srwilkers_ its ok - volunteer effort :) | 16:42 |
| Jeffrey4l | anyone want talk? | 16:42 |
| sdake | basically the plan is to crank out the microservices | 16:42 |
| sdake | after the microservices are done | 16:42 |
| sdake | we will move up a layer to thte service layer | 16:42 |
| sdake | how that works is to be defined | 16:42 |
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| duonghq | can we set the topic back to helm? | 16:43 |
| sdake | thats all I have duonghq :) | 16:43 |
| portdirect | so - I have a topic that may be controversial re ceph | 16:43 |
| duonghq | sdake, I think we should refer to rhallisey specs | 16:43 |
| sdake | duonghq agree - there is no spec for this part of the system | 16:43 |
| duonghq | in rhallisey's specs, we have 4 option, seem that we nearly have consensus no option 4 (iirc) | 16:44 |
| sdake | duonghq moment let me read the spec | 16:45 |
| portdirect | should we continue to maintain kolla-k8s ceph - or make use of the work that the ceph team are doing upstream? - Not a strong opioninion either way but seems like we are replicating effort. | 16:45 |
| duonghq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392257/ | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392257/ | 16:45 |
| sdake | portdirect on the containers aspect, we must use our containers | 16:46 |
| sdake | portdirect the ceph containers themselves don't do ubuntu for example | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | did want to mention one thing real quick | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | portdirect, does ceph fro upstream runs on k8s? | 16:46 |
| portdirect | Jeffrey4l: yes and they have a good set of templates | 16:47 |
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| rhallisey | dealing with some internal stuff so i'll be around here and there | 16:47 |
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| vhosakot | sorry I joined late | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | just wanted everyone to know where I've been | 16:47 |
| duonghq | vhosakot, o/ | 16:48 |
| sdake | portdirect got a link | 16:48 |
| vhosakot | o/ | 16:48 |
| portdirect | but sdake's point clarifyted the policy I was unsure of - so I'll keep on it | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | sdake, had kindly agreed to take the helm | 16:48 |
| jascott1 | snare drum crash | 16:48 |
| Jeffrey4l | rhallisey, nice ;) | 16:48 |
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| portdirect | sdake: https://github.com/ceph/ceph-docker/tree/master/examples/kubernetes | 16:48 |
| sdake | portdirect thanks | 16:48 |
| sdake | i'll check it out | 16:48 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://github.com/ceph/ceph-docker/tree/master/examples/kubernetes | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | wirehead_, did you see that pun ^ | 16:49 |
| sdake | we dont want to duplicate work that is happening upstream, no | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | where's the applause? | 16:49 |
| sdake | although if the work happening upstream conflcts with our rchitecture, we are forced into it | 16:49 |
| portdirect | rhallisey: are you here all week :D | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | hehe | 16:49 |
| duonghq | rhallisey, awesome | 16:49 |
| sdake | rhallisey applause :) | 16:49 |
| srwilkers_ | rhallisey, oh i see what you did there | 16:50 |
| sdake | ok duonghq when I said move up a lyaer, I wasn't talking about moving up the layer to operators | 16:51 |
| sdake | I was talking about moving up a "sub-layer" in layer-3 | 16:51 |
| portdirect | sdake: it would be very eay to take what we needed and put them in our containers though - I've been working on that | 16:51 |
| sdake | duonghq as in services next - all part of the helm layer - layer 3 | 16:51 |
| duonghq | sdake, got it | 16:52 |
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| sdake | portdirect there are CLA problems with that | 16:52 |
| sdake | the work submitted to the repo must be original work of your own, not someone elses | 16:52 |
| duonghq | so the rhallisey's operators in review queues need waiting little more time? | 16:53 |
| sdake | that is unless they have also signed the cla :) | 16:53 |
| portdirect | sdake: roger | 16:53 |
| sdake | duonghq i think that operators can be worked in parallel | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | duonghq, it's in decent shape | 16:53 |
| sdake | duonghq if people want to get on that, wfm :) | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | it was meant to be a foundation | 16:53 |
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| duonghq | sdake, rhallisey we have some diverse in sort out operator and helm stuff in bp organization? | 16:54 |
| sdake | duonghq that didn't parse | 16:54 |
| sdake | specifically diverse | 16:54 |
| duonghq | sdake, I mean for the operators, we have 1bp/operator, but for helm stuff, we have 1bp/layer | 16:55 |
| sdake | do you mean that the launchpad needs better organiation? | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | the bps for each operator hasn't been made | 16:55 |
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| sbezverk | duonghq: confused a bit, what we do with helm now is perfectly fits with operator concept | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | should do a bp per operator service | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | since that work will be split up | 16:55 |
| sdake | disagree | 16:56 |
| sbezverk | where operator would call helm install microservice to deploy what ever it needs | 16:56 |
| sdake | the best way to handle that is work items | 16:56 |
| sdake | one master blueprint | 16:56 |
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| rhallisey | whatever works | 16:56 |
| sdake | well its the openstack way :) | 16:56 |
| duonghq | sbezverk, we are talking about "layer" in rhallisey's spec | 16:56 |
| rhallisey | I roll my own way :) | 16:57 |
| duonghq | sdake, okay | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | time almost up 2 min | 16:57 |
| sdake | duonghq happy to have further conversation with you to clear things up after meeting since we are short on time | 16:58 |
| sdake | in #openstack-kolla | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | also | 16:58 |
| duonghq | sdake, sure | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | got a new name for operators | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | vessels | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | mariadb vessel | 16:59 |
| sdake | make it harder ;) | 16:59 |
| duonghq | rhallisey, didn't got your idea | 16:59 |
| duonghq | *get | 16:59 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, operator is hard enough | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | it means 2 things | 16:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. time is up | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks people for coming | 17:00 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 17:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| sdake | thanks Jeffrey4l :) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-11-30-15.59.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-11-30-15.59.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-11-30-15.59.log.html | 17:00 |
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| portdirect | Jeffrey4l: thanks for chairing | 17:00 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l ++ | 17:00 |
| sdake | inc0++ | 17:01 |
| sdake | ok dudes, i got work to do :) | 17:01 |
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