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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 08:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage_' | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | hi everyone :-) | 08:01 |
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| elisha_r | Hi | 08:01 |
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| eyalb | hi | 08:01 |
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| danoffek | hi guys | 08:02 |
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| idan_hefetz | Hi all! | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:05 | |
| ifat_afek | Newton release schedule: As vitrage release mode in Ocata is cycle-with-intermediary, we have time until Sunday to release our final version for Newton | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | I plan to do it tomorrow, and then ask to create stable/newton branch for vitrage projects. | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | The final release is scheduled for October 6. | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | In addition, I started checking our documentation. I submitted a change for adding vitrage developer guide documents under http://docs.openstack.org/developer/vitrage | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | . I also want to check why vitrage bliueprints are not displayed nicely in https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/vitrage-specs/ | 08:06 |
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| ifat_afek | Who has other updates? | 08:07 |
| elisha_r | I do | 08:07 |
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| elisha_r | I would like to raise some thoughts and new directions regarding the entity graph horizon display, and as a result also the API support | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | Currently, this screen shows the entire entity graph, regardless of size, complexity etc. As a result, for complex graphs, it is difficult to "find your way" within this graph | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | This can be tackled in two ways. The first is to use smart graph layout, which will organize the graph in a more visually-appealing manner. For example, clustering vertices by type, hierarchies etc. | 08:11 |
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| elisha_r | However, this approach will eventually run into difficulties as well - with large setups, this could still be TMI. | 08:11 |
| elisha_r | Instead, I think we should take the second approach: to present portions of the graph, allowing the user to select what types of resources/entities will be displayed | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | For example, if the user selects a Heat stack, he would see the entity graph portion consisting of all the stack resources, alarms on these, and (possibly) the physical hosts of these virtual resources | 08:13 |
| elisha_r | selecting a different resource would show the "relevant" info for that resource | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: interesting. so we will have a predefined set of portions? | 08:14 |
| elisha_r | This, as a business-logic approach seems right to me. | 08:14 |
| elisha_r | ifat_afek: good point, I've given that some thought as well | 08:15 |
| elisha_r | For starters, we could of course have some "static" predefined scope. For example, showing everything within a few hops from the initial resource. This would not make sense "business wise", but it would still give a clearer picture of the system than what we have today | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | because it would show a smaller graph? | 08:16 |
| elisha_r | Exactly. | 08:16 |
| elisha_r | But the real solution IMO is to build for each resource a template, just like the vitrage templates we have now, and treat this issue using subgraph matching (with some slight changes). | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | cool, I like this idea | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | but it won’t be trivial to define or implement | 08:17 |
| elisha_r | Not so sure. To me it seems pretty straight forward. We would start of course with built-in templates. For example, you could build a structure like: stack-->instance-->host. When a user requests the heat stack entity graph, we would run subgraph matching as is starting from this stack in the graph, and it will return all the subgraphs of that structure. Then we only need to merge the graphs (simple union of sets), and w | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | so you mean the api for get topology will accept a yaml file as an input? | 08:20 |
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| ifat_afek | this could work | 08:21 |
| elisha_r | There is one difference from what we have in our current template matching - vitrage conditions need to match EXACTLY, whereas here we want also SUB-MATCHES of this structure. But knowing the code, I think it's a simple extension of what we have | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | right | 08:21 |
| elisha_r | For starters these will be in a folder, just like the vitrage templates are today, and would be added/removed manually. In the future we could allow crud, selection of policies etc - just like we plan to do with the current templates. | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | cool | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | I suggest we have a blueprint, and/or discuss it in the design session in Barcelona | 08:23 |
| elisha_r | One last thing - I still think that having a view where we see everything is important. This view will function as a "heat-map", to detect problems or problematic "areas | 08:23 |
| elisha_r | " | 08:23 |
| elisha_r | but perhaps there we need a different type of view. | 08:24 |
| elisha_r | Anyhow, yes, lets discuss it in Barcelona. Can we set up a BP with the intent of discussing it there? | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | I completely agree | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | sure | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Preparations for Barcelona | 08:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Preparations for Barcelona (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:25 | |
| ifat_afek | I know that elisha_r, eyalb and myself are going to Barcelona. Anyone else? | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | OpenStack published the suggested schedule for the design sessions: | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TQ-RSlbiBBEclkonIbfUP7R1ExZSJylF1uiEKV2G_Cw/pubhtml?gid=1107826458&single=true | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | I asked to move one of our Friday sessions to another day, and agreed to liberate the other one, so in total we will have three – one fishbowl session (in a bigger room) and two work rooms | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | I created a new etherpad for planning the design sessions, please add your ideas: | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-barcelona-design-sessions | 08:26 |
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| ifat_afek | elisha_r and myself submitted two “brown bag” talk proposals. These are 10-minutes talks in smaller rooms than the regular sessions. We are waiting for the response. | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:30 | |
| ifat_afek | anything else? | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | goodbye then | 08:33 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:33 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 08:34:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage_/2016/vitrage_.2016-09-21-08.01.html | 08:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage_/2016/vitrage_.2016-09-21-08.01.txt | 08:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage_/2016/vitrage_.2016-09-21-08.01.log.html | 08:34 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 13:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:00 |
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| mriedem | i know sdague is around | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | yea, I guess so :) | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:01 |
| mriedem | is gmann here? | 13:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
| sdague | gmann is in germany I think for the infra/qa sprint | 13:01 |
| mriedem | ah | 13:01 |
| mriedem | no wonder mtreinish has avoided me all week | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | so I didn't have specfic thing in the list, but there are have some of items from mriedem, so just let us go through your items? | 13:01 |
| mriedem | sure | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301372/ | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | mriedem: ^ the first one | 13:02 |
| mriedem | yeah so i need help with that one | 13:02 |
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| mriedem | like, i need some direction from sdague and/or ken'ichi | 13:03 |
| mriedem | on what they wanted to see there | 13:03 |
| mriedem | but this is the thing where the security_groups in a server create response are possibly wrong when using neutron | 13:03 |
| mriedem | so we want to return a link instead for security_groups | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | shouldn't we just drop that feature in a new API version | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so don't add any security_groups be default? or does that break something else? | 13:04 |
| sdague | mriedem: ok, this actually relates to a thing we were just talking about in #openstack-nova | 13:04 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i thought about that too | 13:04 |
| sdague | what would a real security_groups representation look like? | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would look like a full proxy of neutron's APIs? | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | looks like just a wrap from per port to per instance | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | what I mean is, each port can have its own security group | 13:05 |
| sdague | do we have some examples of neutron vs nova? | 13:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | examples of the current API response? | 13:06 |
| sdague | ok, personally I'd like to stare at the data comparisons a little bit before deciding what a best path forward is | 13:06 |
| sdague | because we've got a related issue that a server get, with neutron service down, causes a 500, because of security group listing | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, good point | 13:07 |
| sdague | and I think the eventual approach should cover both cases | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, it feels like security groups and floating ips should be removed from the get server response | 13:07 |
| mriedem | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/v2/#security-groups-security-groups | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | now that doesn't fix the older versions | 13:07 |
| mriedem | i feel like we're talking about different problems here, | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, possibly | 13:08 |
| sdague | mriedem: we are | 13:08 |
| sdague | but I think they are related | 13:08 |
| mriedem | the point of the spec, and the bug, is that when creating the server, we're returning the default secgroup b/c nova adds that by default, but neutron may not actually set that up | 13:08 |
| mriedem | if the network doesn't have port security enabled | 13:08 |
| sdague | mriedem: right | 13:08 |
| mriedem | so the spec was suggesting returning a link to the secgroup api for nova | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I am questioning why nova sets the default security group any more | 13:09 |
| mriedem | before 2.36 that was a proxy to neutron | 13:09 |
| sdague | but the case in both of these is that we're building a server document with information where the source of truth is from neutron | 13:09 |
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| sdague | and that goes wrong a few different ways | 13:09 |
| sdague | because of timing, defaults, and service outages | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | I thought the security-group is really for nova-network | 13:09 |
| sdague | alex_xu: neutron also has them, they act a little differently | 13:10 |
| mriedem | neutron applies a default secgroup by default i think | 13:10 |
| mriedem | if you have port security enabled on the network | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | sdague: i'm curious what nova api show when we have two different security-groups for two ports which belong to one instance | 13:10 |
| mriedem | iff you don't provide a non-default secgroup | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, that used to be us setting that, but I think we stopped doing that at some point | 13:11 |
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| prateek | johnthetubaguy, regarding your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294513/18/nova/compute/api.py, what you wrote is definitely more elegant than what I did, but both excpetions had different attr when raising the exception, did that just slip by you or am I missing something | 13:11 |
| mriedem | prateek: we're not talking about that right now | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | prateek: please ask questions in the nova channel, happily answer in there | 13:12 |
| prateek | ohkk sorry | 13:12 |
| prateek | i didnt look at that channel | 13:12 |
| mriedem | so is the question if the server create response should even return security_groups at all? | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats where I am at, leave them out | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | and don't allow users to pass them in, either | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | prefer to remove them | 13:13 |
| mriedem | why wouldn't we allow users to pass them in? | 13:14 |
| mriedem | that seems odd | 13:14 |
| mriedem | we allow you to pass in specific nics | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it should be a per nic thing, if we wanted it | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | really I would want folks to set it on the port, and pass us the port_uuid | 13:14 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: it seems like we need to redo the expected way to pass things around | 13:14 |
| mriedem | can we decouple the two issues for now? | 13:15 |
| sdague | I feel like what we have is a flow from nova-network | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, +1 | 13:15 |
| mriedem | b/c my spec is not about redoing the entire server create api for how secgroups are passed in | 13:15 |
| sdague | and at least 2 (probably more) issues with that flow | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know, it just feels odd to allow people to pass things in, and not return them in any way | 13:15 |
| sdague | and I think we should walk through what the flow should look like in the neutron world | 13:15 |
| sdague | mriedem: honestly, I'm kind of -1 on doing that, because I think we're going to need to change a bunch of other stuff and there will end up being 4 microversions of fixing security groups | 13:16 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: do you have a more ideal flow in your head you could sketch out in an etherpad? | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, it feels like folks should just set this on their port outside of nova | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | or we expand --nic to include a security group thingy, referencing the one in neutron | 13:18 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, that's fine, can you write that up, and the point to all the ways we would change the API to enforce that? | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I should do that thing in some etherpad | 13:18 |
| sdague | because this is going to unwind like the proxy deprecation did, I think there are second order impacts that will only be clear once we write the whole thing out | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-security-groups | 13:18 |
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| mriedem | can you use nova-network after 2.36? i can't remember | 13:19 |
| sdague | ok, lets let that churn for a couple of days | 13:19 |
| mriedem | how the proxy api breaks using nova-net | 13:19 |
| sdague | mriedem: you can't use nova-net after that | 13:20 |
| mriedem | even on server create? | 13:20 |
| mriedem | because the server api isn't deprecated | 13:20 |
| sdague | we didn't change the server representation | 13:20 |
| sdague | but the server representation never said "use_neutron" | 13:20 |
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| mriedem | right so i can create a server with nova-network and 2.latest | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you can boot an instance with default setting using nova-net, but the good stuff breaks, but I could be remembering that wrongly | 13:21 |
| mriedem | but if i try to list ips from that server at 2.latest with nova-network it should fail | 13:21 |
| sdague | right | 13:21 |
| sdague | mriedem: but server show still has them | 13:22 |
| mriedem | i would just like to be clear about what breaks if we change the server create api wrt secgroups | 13:22 |
| sdague | mriedem: yes, agreed | 13:22 |
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| mriedem | ok let's move on | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350277/ | 13:23 |
| sdague | so... I think we should make security groups not be a lie with neutron, which they kind of are. I think a couple of days of johnthetubaguy and others trying to figure out where all the rough edges are will help get a handle on the problem. | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats a fair summary I feel. | 13:24 |
| mriedem | We have to think through this a bit since we should get it done in Ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350277/ - I like the suggestion from johnthetubaguy to model this like the volume attachments API. | 13:24 |
| mriedem | "Deprecate os-interface proxy API" | 13:24 |
| mriedem | this is the thing we missed in 2.36 | 13:24 |
| mriedem | where we have os-interface and os-virtual-interfaces | 13:24 |
| mriedem | os-virtual-interfaces is purely nova-net today | 13:25 |
| mriedem | b/c of the vifs in the nova db | 13:25 |
| mriedem | os-interface is the proxy to neutron for listing ports | 13:25 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: I've been avoiding you? | 13:25 |
| mriedem | and attach/detach ports | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it feels like the cinder volume model is what we should model for VIFs, flow wise | 13:26 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: yeah i've been driving by your house late at night and everything! | 13:26 |
| mtreinish | hah | 13:26 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: that seems reasonable | 13:26 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah i like that too | 13:26 |
| mriedem | so you'd have basically show, list, attach/detach | 13:26 |
| sdague | we should realistically probably pile up somewhere the rest of the things we were going to deprecate but never got around to | 13:26 |
| mriedem | it was at least this and the image metadata proxy api | 13:27 |
| mriedem | oh but os-cloudpipe too and things like that | 13:27 |
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| alex_xu | also multi-nic which johnthetubaguy point out few days ago | 13:28 |
| mriedem | so i think the path forward on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350277/ is for me to rewrite it with this in mind: | 13:28 |
| mriedem | 1. make os-interface more like os-volume_attachments | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, there a few I keep finding when looking at the api-ref patches | 13:28 |
| mriedem | 2. deprecate os-virtual-interface | 13:28 |
| mriedem | since os-virtual-interface only works for nova-net, deprecating that shouldn't be a big deal, it should have happened in 2.36 | 13:29 |
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| sdague | yeh, seems reasonable | 13:30 |
| mriedem | we might also change os-interface GET/list to build that from the nova db model instead of a proxy to neutron | 13:30 |
| mriedem | i'd have to think that through | 13:30 |
| mriedem | we might have to proxy for anything that was created before the 2.32 microversion | 13:30 |
| mriedem | anyway, i'll move forward with that and see what pits i fall into | 13:31 |
| mriedem | next on the agenda: | 13:32 |
| mriedem | We need someone to write a spec for supporting the standardized (formerly v3) instance diagnostics compute API from the REST API with a microversion, as a dependency for hyper-v to support that API: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-vm-diagnostics | 13:32 |
| mriedem | claudiub was going to see if the person that was going to work on ^ was going to work on the api change | 13:32 |
| mriedem | i'm throwing it out here in case someone wants to get a head start on the spec | 13:32 |
| mriedem | this is the thing that garyk worked on to create the standard instance diagnostics object in the virt layer | 13:33 |
| mriedem | but with the v3 api dropping out, we never ended up exposing that code from the REST API | 13:33 |
| claudiub | yeah, so that needs an api change as well. my coleague can take care of the hyper-v bits, but he's pretty loaded with tasks, and won't have enough time for the api changes, especially since ocata is so sohort | 13:33 |
| mriedem | #help need someone to write the spec for exposing the standardized instance diagnostics out of the REST API | 13:34 |
| mriedem | i guess i could get a spec started | 13:34 |
| mriedem | it's pretty straight-forward i think | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: I can do that | 13:34 |
| mriedem | ok | 13:34 |
| sdague | #action alex_xu to work on generic diagnostics spec | 13:34 |
| sdague | we should also probably mark actions from before as well | 13:35 |
| mriedem | i think it's basically after microversion x you call nova.compute.api.API.get_instance_diagnostics | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | yea, i guess so | 13:35 |
| mriedem | sdague: i'm not sure what that means | 13:35 |
| mriedem | mark actions from before | 13:35 |
| sdague | #action johnthetubaguy to sketch out what an ideal security group workflow looks like in the nova api now with neutron as the presumed backend | 13:35 |
| mriedem | oh | 13:35 |
| mriedem | i see :) | 13:35 |
| sdague | #action mriedem to write up spec for os-virtual-interface deprecation | 13:36 |
| mriedem | next topic | 13:36 |
| sdague | then they are recorded for revisit in next meeting | 13:36 |
| mriedem | Does alex_xu have a spec for deprecating the proxy API for set/delete image metadata? | 13:36 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: i know you reported a bug for that | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, I can begin to do that. so that need a separated microversion? | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | do we merge that with other thing we forget to deprecate? like multi-nic? | 13:37 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: we could lump it in with others if that is easy | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: ok, let me check how image metadata deprecation look like first | 13:38 |
| mriedem | the novaclient changes are probably the worst part, but at least we know how to do those now | 13:38 |
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| mriedem | #action alex_xu to write a spec for deprecating the proxy api to set/delete image metadata | 13:39 |
| mriedem | ok, last item, i swear :) | 13:40 |
| mriedem | How can we test swap volume from Tempest? gmann was trying that at one point. | 13:40 |
| mriedem | ^ is why i was looking for gmann | 13:40 |
| mriedem | so apparently we regressed swap volume, which was already broken | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah bauzas was looking a some nasty bits around there recently | 13:40 |
| sdague | maybe mtreinish can take that back into the room there | 13:40 |
| mriedem | it's just a terrible terrible api which isn't tested | 13:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | does our default policy allow folks other than cinder to call it? I guess it does? | 13:41 |
| mriedem | i know gmann was working on a test for swap volume at one point and ran into an issue but i can't remember what it was now | 13:41 |
| mriedem | we changed the default policy to be admin-only back in i think mitaka | 13:41 |
| mriedem | i thought gmann was running into policy issues | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I didn't think calling it directly was meant to be a thing | 13:41 |
| sdague | mriedem: given the TZ delay, perhaps we stick it out on the mailing list? | 13:41 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: but it is | 13:41 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: gmann isn't here, he couldn't make it | 13:41 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: nova volume-update :) | 13:41 |
| mriedem | maybe i can just dig up his change in tempest | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, that was a discovery for me | 13:41 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to follow up with gmann about testing swap-volume in tempest | 13:42 |
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| mriedem | the problem might have been he was using a non-admin to call nova, but then nova calls an admin api in cinder | 13:42 |
| mriedem | and it blow up | 13:42 |
| mriedem | *blew | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 13:42 |
| mriedem | that should be fixed if you just use an admin throughout | 13:42 |
| sdague | mriedem: is http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=update-a-volume-attachment-detail the thing we're talking about? | 13:43 |
| mriedem | it would also be totally conditional on tempest since only libvirt supports the swap-volume method | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | was there a reason disconnect one then attach another is no good? | 13:43 |
| mriedem | sdague: yes | 13:43 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, that's a question for me, this seems a bit too magical | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wonder if the answer is something about preserving device ordering, but I really have no idea | 13:44 |
| sdague | ok, well the action is out there | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, a new day, a new crazy API found | 13:45 |
| sdague | I have one thing | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:45 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373390/ | 13:45 |
| mriedem | i think it has something to do with the blockRebase that's done https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L1181 | 13:45 |
| sdague | I've been pondering API capabilities a bit, and am trying to figure out the best way to flesh out the approach | 13:45 |
| mriedem | swap-volume is really about an api flow for libvirt and certain cinder backends for migration i think | 13:46 |
| sdague | it's not clear to me that there is time in ocata to do it, but we probably need a pretty detailed spec (and discussions) before we move forward | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its live-migration for the volume backend, for non-clustered storage, as I understood it | 13:46 |
| sdague | so my thinking is an ocata spec | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | but I remember swap-volume works for normal-user, user can just pass a new volume, and that swap works. | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 for moving forward on that | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think my problem is matching capabilities with the actual REST calls | 13:47 |
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| sdague | and we can figure out if there is ground work that falls out | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think there is a task to go back and add docs into our policy rules? maybe? | 13:47 |
| mriedem | there is a task to build the default policy into the nova devref | 13:48 |
| mriedem | like we have for the sample config | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 13:48 |
| mriedem | the keystone guys showed up yesterday asking about putting comments in the policy.json with instructions on how to generate it, | 13:48 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer to just have a readme like we do for the nova.conf.sample that has those instructions | 13:48 |
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| mriedem | so we're consistent | 13:48 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh, given json doesn't support comments, I agree | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe there is enough of "policy tidy ups" to be done | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I don't remember spotting anything around that in the operator feedback, I guess its a release or two early for that? | 13:49 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: on policy, they liked our new approach, they were just concerned about docs | 13:50 |
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| sdague | it's in there | 13:50 |
| mriedem | sdague: might want to keep claudiub in the loop on any policy discoverability / capability stuff since i think he's also looking at that | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: right, thats fair | 13:50 |
| claudiub | o/ | 13:50 |
| mriedem | i'll follow up on the readme for generating the default policy if ayoung didn't push that yet | 13:50 |
| sdague | mriedem: sure, well, a spec will be a reasonable place to keep all that public and iterable | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so at the midcycle, we said we would try add two things for policy discovery | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess, we need a spec up with that, so we can discuss something concrete | 13:51 |
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| sdague | #action sdague to start in on a capabilities spec | 13:51 |
| claudiub | sorry, a bit out of the loop here. so, I have a WIP patch for matching policy rules and capabilities and different api endpoints. | 13:51 |
| claudiub | also trying to take into account the given api microversion | 13:52 |
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| sdague | claudiub: where is that patch? | 13:53 |
| claudiub | it's a bit slow, but i have something that outputs what the nova-api docs have in about 75-80% | 13:53 |
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| claudiub | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280539/ | 13:54 |
| claudiub | still have to upload what i have in my work env | 13:54 |
| claudiub | i've changed things since then | 13:55 |
| sdague | ok, that's probably a bit different granularity than I was thinking | 13:55 |
| alex_xu | 4 mins left | 13:55 |
| claudiub | i was planning to include the post method, api endpoint and request body in the output | 13:56 |
| claudiub | api method * | 13:56 |
| diga_ | alex_xu: Hi, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/display-host-hypervisor-numa-topology can I submit the spec for this BP for ocata-1 | 13:56 |
| claudiub | or more like, the request body schema | 13:56 |
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| alex_xu | diga_: yea, sure, i think it is time to submit spec | 13:56 |
| diga_ | alex_xu: Sure, thx! | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | diga_: np | 13:57 |
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| diga_ | :) | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | ok, 2 mins left | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | so let us back to the nova channel? | 13:58 |
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| sdague | sounds good | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | ok, thanks all! | 13:59 |
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| acabot | #info Watcher Newton RC1 (v0.30.0) has been released, please follow instructions sent on the ML | 14:01 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103989.html | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #info Newton stable branches have been created by the TC for watcher & python-watcherclient | 14:02 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:02 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:02 |
| jwcroppe | hi | 14:02 |
| acabot | so if you file a bug that needs to be released in newton, please tag it as *newton-rc-potential* | 14:02 |
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| acabot | now we will have to deal with a newton stable branch | 14:03 |
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| acabot | watcher-dashboard is still waiting for a rc-final release next week | 14:04 |
| acabot | #info we need your help to test the release and submit bugs before the final release next week | 14:04 |
| acabot | #info acabot will be Watcher PTL for Ocata cycle | 14:04 |
| acabot | as I'm the only candidate | 14:05 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: congrats :) | 14:05 |
| acabot | so thanks for electing me :-D | 14:05 |
| hvprash | congrats ! | 14:05 |
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| sballe_ | +2 | 14:05 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:05 |
| diga_ | acabot: congrats! | 14:05 |
| acabot | #info design summit sessions timeslots are available on the dedicated etherpad | 14:05 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session | 14:05 |
| jwcroppe | sballe_: btw, the presentation looks good... few nits I'll send today/tomorrow | 14:06 |
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| sballe_ | jwcroppe: thx | 14:06 |
| acabot | as you may probably know, I wont be with you in Barcelona so I hope sballe_ can deal with PTL assignements during the summit | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I can drive the filling out of design sessions | 14:06 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : definitely | 14:07 |
| acabot | thx | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | I am the virtual acabot ... Pretty big shoes to fill ;-) | 14:07 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ start filling working sessions agenda in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session | 14:07 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : I'm sure you will fit the role ;-) | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | thx | 14:08 |
| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:08 |
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| acabot | lets move on | 14:08 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:08 |
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| acabot | Watcher specs | 14:09 |
| acabot | Resize instance base on workload needs a new PS and should be retargeted to Ocata | 14:09 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/ | 14:09 |
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| acabot | Yumeng : are you working on it ? | 14:09 |
| Yumeng_ | yep | 14:09 |
| Yumeng_ | hanrong has uploaded a new patch about this spec. and some problems are reported in jekins. we will do more revision asap. | 14:09 |
| acabot | Yumeng_ : please retarget it to Ocata in your next PS | 14:10 |
| Yumeng_ | ok. | 14:10 |
| Yumeng_ | i will do that | 14:10 |
| acabot | #action Yumeng_ hanrong retarget and update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/ | 14:10 |
| acabot | automatic triggering of action plans for AUDIT needs reviews | 14:10 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 14:11 |
| acabot | diga_ : I saw that you added a new PS, is that ready to be reviewed ? | 14:11 |
| diga_ | acabot: yes | 14:11 |
| vincentfrancoise | I made some comments on it already | 14:11 |
| acabot | ok | 14:11 |
| vincentfrancoise | there is 1 main question that still misses an answer | 14:12 |
| acabot | sballe_ jwcroppe hvprash : anyone who wants to review it ? | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | I can d that | 14:12 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:12 |
| gzhai | +1 | 14:13 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 14:13 |
| acabot | #action hvprash sballe_ acabot gzhai jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 14:13 |
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| diga_ | vincentfrancoise: Your comment "How do plan on making sure there only one action plan that is executed at a time? " | 14:13 |
| acabot | Limit concurrent actions invoked by Watcher needs reviews | 14:13 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348049/ | 14:14 |
| acabot | sorry I didn't have time to review it yet, anyone here who wants to review ? | 14:14 |
| hvprash | i can | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | ditto | 14:14 |
| acabot | #action hvprash sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348049/ | 14:15 |
| diga_ | vincentfrancoise: we are introducing the AUTO_TRIGGER_ACTION_PLAN attribute in the AUDIT, only those Audits action plan executed | 14:15 |
| acabot | hvprash : dont take too many reviews because you have a spec to write ;-) | 14:15 |
| vincentfrancoise | diga_: yes that's the one question that needs to be addressed | 14:15 |
| hvprash | thats fine acabot :) | 14:15 |
| vincentfrancoise | diga_: yes but if 2 action plans have that AUTO_TRIGGER_ACTION_PLAN flag, they will be concurrently executed and we don't want that | 14:16 |
| hvprash | been away for few weeks and was missing some action ;) | 14:16 |
| acabot | hvprash ;-) | 14:16 |
| acabot | Add team priorities for Ocata needs reviews and will be merged during the summit | 14:16 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372528/ | 14:16 |
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| acabot | I had a discussion with alexchadin about the watcher roadmap | 14:17 |
| diga_ | vincentfrancoise: how many action plan we can execute for one audit, can we execute many action plan for audit ?? | 14:17 |
| acabot | and realized that we didn't set priorities after the mid-cycle | 14:17 |
| vincentfrancoise | diga: we need to add some logic on the watcher-applier side to make sure that only 1 action plan can be executed at a time | 14:17 |
| diga_ | vincentfrancoise: okay | 14:17 |
| vincentfrancoise | diga: 2 action plans from 2 different audits | 14:17 |
| acabot | diga_ vincentfrancoise : could you please iterate through gerrit ? | 14:18 |
| diga_ | acabot: okay | 14:18 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: ok | 14:18 |
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| acabot | so I did a first draft of Ocata priorities, I could have missed some important BPs so please review it before the summit | 14:18 |
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| acabot | We need a spec for Define grammar for workload characterization | 14:19 |
| hvprash | yes | 14:19 |
| acabot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/workload-characterization-grammar | 14:19 |
| hvprash | working on it | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:19 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ jwcroppe hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372528/ | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | hvprash: pull me in | 14:19 |
| acabot | #action hvprash submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/workload-characterization-grammar | 14:19 |
| hvprash | of course sballe_ | 14:19 |
| acabot | moving to Watcher | 14:20 |
| acabot | many bug fixes merged last week | 14:20 |
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| acabot | now that we have a stable branch, we can start merging code for Ocata | 14:20 |
| acabot | Add Audit Scope Handler needs reviews | 14:20 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:bp/define-the-audit-scope | 14:21 |
| acabot | who wants to review the audit scope handler ? | 14:21 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:21 |
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| sballe_ | +1 | 14:21 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:bp/define-the-audit-scope | 14:21 |
| acabot | Graph cluster model implementation needs reviews | 14:22 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ | 14:22 |
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| acabot | who wants to review the graph model ? | 14:22 |
| vincentfrancoise | me | 14:22 |
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| dtardivel | me | 14:22 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ | 14:23 |
| acabot | Watcher dashboard | 14:23 |
| acabot | Dashboard devstack plugin has been disabled until a bug is fixed in devstack | 14:23 |
| acabot | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1540328 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540328 in devstack "Devstack cannot install Horizon plugins using pip 8.x" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to YAMAMOTO Takashi (yamamoto) | 14:23 |
| acabot | it impacts many different projects | 14:23 |
| acabot | and our devstack setup does not work anymore | 14:24 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:24 |
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| dtardivel | acabot: I would like to check watcher:stable/newton branch on devstack, but stable/newton branch on devstack is not yet available... | 14:24 |
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| acabot | as discussed last week, after the RC-1 release, all BPs targeted for Ocata were medium or low priority | 14:25 |
| acabot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/ocata | 14:25 |
| acabot | so I tried to set a priority and a milestone for each BP | 14:26 |
| acabot | I'd like everyone to review it and check if the priority and milestone is ok | 14:26 |
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| acabot | we have 17 BPs for Ocata (15 have been completed in Newton) | 14:27 |
| acabot | of course if I missed important BP in the list https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher please let me know asap | 14:27 |
| sballe_ | this is a good cadense. pretty impressive | 14:28 |
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| acabot | the Ocata schedule is shorter than previous cycle | 14:28 |
| acabot | as there will be the PTG event in february | 14:28 |
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| sballe_ | where is the PTG event? I forgot | 14:29 |
| acabot | Atlanta | 14:29 |
| acabot | scalability tests - platform status | 14:29 |
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| acabot | dtardivel sballe_ gzhai : any updates on the platform ? | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | yes | 14:30 |
| dtardivel | we are going to check all the platform conf with Susanne | 14:30 |
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| sballe_ | We have systems up and runnign with Monasca but dtardivel and I are debugging it | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | Monacsa needs to be configured | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | I have access to the systems now s we shoul dbe moving forward | 14:31 |
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| sballe_ | a million thx to dtardivel for his help here | 14:31 |
| acabot | how many nodes do we have now ? | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | 12=15 | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | 12+15 | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | and 3 as control plane | 14:31 |
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| acabot | ok | 14:31 |
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| acabot | any idea of when we will be able to run PKB ? | 14:32 |
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| sballe_ | as soon as we have it debugged and ceilosca installd | 14:32 |
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| sballe_ | hopefuly next week | 14:32 |
| acabot | ok | 14:32 |
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| acabot | Monday 26th | 14:33 |
| sballe_ | dtardivel: and I still have some debugging to do | 14:33 |
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| dtardivel | yep | 14:33 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:33 |
| acabot | sballe_ : we planned to have the platform until Monday 26th :-) | 14:33 |
| sballe_ | I have been told we can have it unitl the end of october | 14:34 |
| acabot | sballe_ : good news | 14:34 |
| acabot | I hope we will be able to get metrics before the summit | 14:34 |
| sballe_ | :-) | 14:34 |
| acabot | #topic Open discussions | 14:34 |
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| acabot | Notifications in Watcher is too big and need to be segmented | 14:35 |
| acabot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-notifications-ovo | 14:35 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : your subject ;-) | 14:35 |
| vincentfrancoise | well this BP is quite big and tackles many aspects of Watcher at the same time | 14:35 |
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| jed56 | +2 ;) | 14:36 |
| vincentfrancoise | first of there is the setup of the notification system | 14:36 |
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| vincentfrancoise | and then we have to lay down all the notifications (and their respective payload) we want for each one of the Watcher objects | 14:36 |
| vincentfrancoise | so I would suggest we use this BP to only create the common plumbing | 14:37 |
| vincentfrancoise | and then create a separate BP for the Audit notifications, Action Plan notifications, and so on... | 14:37 |
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| jed56 | this is a good idea | 14:38 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : so you plan to have only the Audit updated in this BP ? | 14:38 |
| acabot | + the plumbing | 14:38 |
| vincentfrancoise | well I plan to do the common plumbing and the new audit-related notifications BP | 14:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | so yes | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | vincentfrancoise: +1 | 14:39 |
| acabot | my main concern would be, if we merge the Audit and then dont have time to update other Watcher objects, will Watcher still be usable ? | 14:40 |
| vincentfrancoise | IMHO, the most important objects we need to focus on in ocata should be audit and action plan | 14:40 |
| acabot | as we will use 2 different mechanisms to deal with objects | 14:40 |
| vincentfrancoise | because Watcher actions involve Nova (e.g. for migrations or service state update) | 14:41 |
| vincentfrancoise | and these already emit notifications of their own | 14:41 |
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| vincentfrancoise | and the audit template is pretty much copied as an audit before any action gets done so audit notifications should suffice | 14:42 |
| acabot | ok | 14:42 |
| acabot | could you please update the BP description and submit a draft of spec for it ? | 14:42 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : could you please update the BP description and submit a draft of spec for it ? | 14:43 |
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| vincentfrancoise | acabot: yes I will, I am still in an 'exploration' stage | 14:43 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise update BP description and submit a draft spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-notifications-ovo | 14:44 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : ok thx | 14:44 |
| acabot | we should provide a user documentation for each strategy | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:44 |
| acabot | as dtardivel was testing strategies last week, we realized that there is no dedicated doc for each strategy available in watcher | 14:45 |
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| dtardivel | acabot: yep. the main idea is to propose a template doc to explain a strategy | 14:45 |
| acabot | what do you think ? | 14:45 |
| dtardivel | acabot: and how to use it, what are required metrics, how to collect them ? .... | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | the most important bit was the metrics requirements | 14:46 |
| acabot | should we let devs build there own doc when they submit a new strategy or should we guide them with a template ? | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | and then the parameter tunings | 14:47 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I prefer a template doc ... and an exemple | 14:47 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:47 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:47 |
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| acabot | ok do we need a BP for that ? (I dont think so) | 14:48 |
| dtardivel | I created a wishlist bug | 14:48 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: a BP might be needed to go through all existing strategies | 14:48 |
| acabot | its a doc improvement, I think a bug is sufficient | 14:48 |
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| dtardivel | +1 | 14:49 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : if we have a template, I think we can ask every strategy provider to add a doc | 14:49 |
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| dtardivel | +1 | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:49 |
| acabot | who wants to start working on a template ? | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | I can try on basic consolisation strategy | 14:50 |
| acabot | ok | 14:50 |
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| acabot | #action build a template for strategy doc using basic consolidation as an example | 14:50 |
| acabot | #action dtradivel build a template for strategy doc using basic consolidation as an example | 14:50 |
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| acabot | #action dtardivel build a template for strategy doc using basic consolidation as an example | 14:51 |
| * acabot a bit tired... | 14:51 | |
| acabot | fix requirements | 14:51 |
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| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:tox/requirements | 14:51 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:tox/requirements | 14:51 |
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| acabot | dtardivel : do you want to explain this change sets ? | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | vincentfrancoise: please can you explain it ? :))) | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | dtardivel: ok :p | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | so basically, these are needed to set precise requirement versions | 14:53 |
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| vincentfrancoise | e.g. for the stable/newton branch, this will guarantee that all test are passing with with the newton-capped package versions instead of beeing changed all the time | 14:54 |
| acabot | so now stable newton branch has fixed requirements right ? | 14:55 |
| dtardivel | strict requirements are set in openstack/requirements github project, in the file upper-contraints.txt | 14:55 |
| acabot | so do we have to test it again with these requirements or it was already done ? | 14:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | requirements.txt only defines the lower boundary for package requirements | 14:55 |
| dtardivel | So we add into tox.ini a way to read this strict requirements and to update our dependencies versions while running unitary tests | 14:56 |
| vincentfrancoise | with this, we now have the upper boundary | 14:56 |
| acabot | ok | 14:56 |
| acabot | 4 min left, any other discussion to open ? | 14:56 |
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| dtardivel | acabot: I proposed a commit for stable/newton and master branches on watcher and python-watcherclient project | 14:57 |
| dtardivel | s/commit/patchset | 14:58 |
| acabot | dtardivel : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:tox/requirements | 14:58 |
| acabot | ok thank you all | 14:58 |
| acabot | have a nice day/night | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| hvprash | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| jed56 | bye | 14:59 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 15:02:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | #topic agenda and roll all | 15:03 |
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| serverascode | anyone here for the telecom/ops team meeting? | 15:03 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| serverascode | will give it a couple min to see if anyone drops in :) | 15:04 |
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| serverascode | #info haven't heard back from user committee on space in BCN yet | 15:08 |
| serverascode | but as soon as I do will let ppl know | 15:08 |
| serverascode | may also be possible to get a room from the ops summit portion | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | #action Curtis let ppl know about BCN space | 15:09 |
| serverascode | #topic Increasing participation | 15:09 |
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| serverascode | Given this is meeting #9 it's probably time to start looking into finding active participants | 15:10 |
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| ulik | #info Uli Kleber | 15:10 |
| serverascode | #action Curtis contact OpenStack Foundation to find out how they may be able to help "get the word out" | 15:10 |
| serverascode | hi ulik :) | 15:10 |
| ulik | hi, sorry couldn't make for a few meetings. | 15:11 |
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| serverascode | no worries | 15:11 |
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| serverascode | it's just you and me methinks | 15:12 |
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| ulik | but I see main issue is low participation. Maybe Barcelona meeting can help to get people more aware. | 15:12 |
| serverascode | yeah I hope so | 15:12 |
| serverascode | I'm also going to contact a couple o fppl at the foundation to see if they can help | 15:13 |
| ulik | great. | 15:13 |
| ulik | OPNFV guys are very busy now finalizing the Colorado release | 15:13 |
| serverascode | right yeah, I heard about the release | 15:14 |
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| serverascode | #info OPNFV Colorado release is happening right now | 15:14 |
| serverascode | #topic Open Conversation | 15:15 |
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| ulik | And we are trying 3rd party CI to do faster verification of openstack patches in OPNFV environment. | 15:15 |
| serverascode | cool yeah I need to check that out | 15:15 |
| ulik | It is still at beginning. | 15:16 |
| serverascode | I don't have anything else specific to discuss :) | 15:17 |
| ulik | me neither | 15:17 |
| serverascode | ok well thanks ulik for coming :) I will let you know what I hear from the user committe and foundation | 15:18 |
| ulik | thx | 15:18 |
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| serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 15:18:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-09-21-15.02.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-09-21-15.02.txt | 15:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-09-21-15.02.log.html | 15:18 |
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| zhubingbing | hi guys | 15:59 |
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| britthou_ | Hey zhubingbing | 16:00 |
| zhubingbing | hey | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| vhosakot | o/ | 16:00 |
| egonzalez90 | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | o/ | 16:00 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:00 |
| berendt | o/ | 16:00 |
| zhubingbing | o/ | 16:01 |
| jmccarthy | o/ | 16:01 |
| britthouser | 0/ | 16:01 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | \o/ | 16:01 |
| sdake | \O/ | 16:01 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:01 |
| sdake | #topic annuncements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "annuncements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| sdake | #undo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f66f51977d0> | 16:01 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| sdake | inc0 can you link the room alloction for summit plesae | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-O-summit-planning | 16:03 |
| sdake | while inc0 digs up that link, we got received a significant amount of summit space for kolla | 16:03 |
| britthouser | w00t! | 16:03 |
| sdake | I think 9 or 10 wr ssessions, 3 fisshbowl, and half day contributor meetup | 16:03 |
| wirehead_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| sdake | if you compare to nova and neutron, we got a rockin amount of sessions | 16:03 |
| zhubingbing | i agree | 16:04 |
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| sdake | that said, i want to ensure in today's meeting that all those sessions will be used appropriatelly, and if not consider giving 1 or 2 workroom sessions back to the organizers so that emerging projects have a chance at summit to get work done | 16:04 |
| sdake | #2. ptl elections are this week - don't forget to vote! | 16:05 |
| sdake | i'd like more then a 60% turnout on the vote then happened last time | 16:05 |
| sdake | make your voice heard | 16:05 |
| berendt | do we already have a list where we mapped our session to the work rooms? | 16:06 |
| sdake | berendt that is the responsibility of the next ptl - that happens in two-3 weeks | 16:06 |
| berendt | but how should we decide if we need all assigned work rooms without assigning our sessions? | 16:07 |
| sdake | #3. the release team has cut us a big bone and not branched kolla on rc1 | 16:07 |
| sdake | berendt we havee a list of sessions | 16:07 |
| sdake | berendt but no mapping to the workrooms - that is what we will sort out today (how many are ultimately necessary to achieve our summit planning) | 16:07 |
| sdake | so on to #3 | 16:07 |
| berendt | ah.. understood | 16:07 |
| sdake | what this means is master is not open for business as of yet | 16:08 |
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| sdake | the guidance I've recieved from the release team is to limit rcs | 16:08 |
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| sdake | in other words our rc2 should be our near final state that we intend to tag as 3.0.0 | 16:08 |
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| sdake | finally branches happen only agianst tags not specific git hashes | 16:09 |
| sdake | so lets sort out #3 first | 16:09 |
| pbourke | have we tagged rc1? | 16:10 |
| sdake | #topic rc2 deadline planning and bug triage | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc2 deadline planning and bug triage (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:10 | |
| sdake | rc1 was tagged within 1 hour of deadline | 16:10 |
| sdake | so yes :) | 16:10 |
| pbourke | whats the tag I dont see it | 16:10 |
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| berendt | pbourke 3.0.0.0rc1 | 16:11 |
| pbourke | ah thanks | 16:11 |
| egonzalez90 | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/tree/3.0.0.0rc1 | 16:11 |
| zhubingbing | 3.0.0.0rc1 | 16:11 |
| sdake | pbourke https://github.com/openstack/kolla/releases/tag/3.0.0.0rc1 | 16:11 |
| sdake | woops egonzalez90 faster at internets then me | 16:12 |
| berendt | fourtimes is enough ;) | 16:12 |
| sdake | agree berendt | 16:12 |
| sdake | ok open up https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-rc2 | 16:13 |
| sdake | 107 bugs | 16:13 |
| sdake | what I need of the core review team and anyone in the drivers team that can do the work is to go through this list and triage bugs | 16:13 |
| sdake | zhubingbing did a great first pass | 16:13 |
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| sdake | at sortng out the maximum set of bugs to fix | 16:14 |
| sdake | lets sort out individually the minimum set of bugs to fix and make sure their priority is set | 16:14 |
| sdake | I can't do this alone or in a vacuum | 16:14 |
| sdake | use your judgement and push things to o1 that make sense | 16:14 |
| berendt | does it makes sense to move wishlist bugs to the next cycle? | 16:15 |
| sdake | ultimately that bug list sshould be high or critical bugs only (to reduce the scope of the work we have to do) | 16:15 |
| sdake | berendt ^^ | 16:15 |
| sdake | the first step is making sure the priorities are correct | 16:15 |
| zhubingbing | i agree | 16:15 |
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| sdake | i've done a rough pass over the 107 bugs as well | 16:15 |
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| sdake | id like others to do the same - consider this a critical task ;) | 16:16 |
| sdake | something to be done today or thursday at latest | 16:16 |
| sdake | anything not marked critical or high is being moved to ocatta thursday 00:00 UTC | 16:16 |
| zhubingbing | A lot more than 3 months of bug status is high | 16:16 |
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| sdake | zhubingbing didn't parse, can you restate | 16:17 |
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| wznoinsk | late hi | 16:17 |
| sdake | sup wznoinsk | 16:17 |
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| sdake | we are just getting started - butyou missed the announcements - might want to read those in the log later | 16:17 |
| wznoinsk | hi sdake, getting thru meeting logs | 16:17 |
| sdake | i thin kwe can handle about 50 bugs in the next month\ | 16:18 |
| inc0 | when is deadline for rc2 | 16:18 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:18 |
| sdake | but if there are more that need to be handled, lets recognize that fact | 16:18 |
| sdake | the deadline for rc2 is at our discretion | 16:18 |
| sdake | (according to the releae team) | 16:19 |
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| sdake | so lets not slack in figuring out when that deadline should be | 16:19 |
| sdake | to get to the deadline, lets sort out the prioirtieis and bug lisst | 16:19 |
| sdake | and we can make a call from there | 16:19 |
| duonghq | zhubingbing: did you really triaged this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1604343 | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604343 in kolla "Fail to create instance on Ubuntu host" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:20 |
| zhubingbing | i fix now | 16:20 |
| sdake | we have a hard deadline of oct7 for rc2 | 16:20 |
| sdake | i'd like to pull that in if possible | 16:20 |
| sdake | that is what this discussion is all about | 16:20 |
| duonghq | zhubingbing: you took this bug? | 16:21 |
| sdake | we could bleed into the next week after if needed | 16:21 |
| sdake | lets try not to do that | 16:21 |
| sdake | duonghq - bugs are roughly triaged | 16:21 |
| sdake | duonghq if you want to help with triage i can add you to the drivers team and you can do whatyou think is right ;) | 16:21 |
| duonghq | sdake: sometime guys triaged bug by mistake | 16:22 |
| sdake | one last peice of further guidance on triage | 16:22 |
| sdake | critical = affects whole system | 16:22 |
| duonghq | so I want to make sure they truly triaged | 16:22 |
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| sdake | high = affects a component that results in nonfunctionality | 16:22 |
| sdake | duonghq they are not | 16:22 |
| sdake | duonghq that is what we need to do | 16:22 |
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| berendt | sdake shoud we a those defintiions to our docs? | 16:23 |
| sdake | [09:14:33] <sdake>lets sort out individually the minimum set of bugs to fix and make sure their priority is set | 16:23 |
| sdake | berendt makes sense to me | 16:23 |
| sdake | berendt up to the core team really | 16:23 |
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| sdake | if yoou dont like my definitinos use your own ;) | 16:23 |
| berendt | i think it is important to document it, that's the point.. | 16:24 |
| sdake | any further questions? | 16:24 |
| berendt | i will open a review, we can discuss there | 16:24 |
| sdake | berendt ok - wfm :) | 16:24 |
| zhubingbing | i thinks document is very important | 16:24 |
| duonghq | totally agreed with zhubingbing | 16:25 |
| zhubingbing | About hub kolla on docker image management | 16:25 |
| sdake | ok any questions on the request or deadline for request? | 16:25 |
| sdake | zhubingbing - that is for open item discussion | 16:25 |
| zhubingbing | long time not update | 16:25 |
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| zhubingbing | hmm | 16:26 |
| sdake | zhubingbing we only update *released* images in docker hub | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, so we do not need a bug to track the trivial fix, right? | 16:26 |
| sdake | that are *stable* | 16:26 |
| sdake | hence no rc | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | until rc2 | 16:26 |
| pbourke | is it clear to people which bugs need to be pushed to ocata and which are to be fixed, and by when | 16:26 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l roger | 16:26 |
| pbourke | as for me, its not | 16:26 |
| sdake | pbourke high-critical stay in newton - everything else pushed to occata thurday | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | before rc2, i think we can push some new feature :) | 16:27 |
| sdake | no new features | 16:27 |
| pbourke | sdake: ok cool | 16:27 |
| sdake | rc2 is bug fix only | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok | 16:27 |
| sdake | enforce it in reviews please | 16:27 |
| pbourke | so date date for rc2 is at our discretion | 16:27 |
| berendt | yes we have enought new features that are not working like expected | 16:27 |
| pbourke | what about the final release | 16:27 |
| sdake | pbourke the problem we have now is a lack of clarity about what is high/critical - i need core reviewt eam and drivers team to define that | 16:27 |
| wznoinsk | sdake: how about the ironic-conductor/inspector fixes I@m on atm? | 16:28 |
| sdake | the final release follows the ormal schedule which is october 20th | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | wznoinsk, good point | 16:28 |
| sdake | wznoinsk those are ocata work | 16:28 |
| sdake | wznoinsk tht said if yuo fix a bug that isn't high or critical - good for you :) | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | then ironic will totally unused in newton :( | 16:29 |
| wznoinsk | I need to seprate ironic-inspector from ironic (not to mix the rootwrap and other things as they are different projects), not a new feature, not the trivial bug either | 16:29 |
| wznoinsk | Jeffrey4l: that's what I'm worried about too, broken for last to release and so close to be working | 16:29 |
| wznoinsk | s/to release/two releases | 16:30 |
| sdake | when i say ironic - i mean BMAAAS | 16:30 |
| sdake | anything related to bifrost deployment is *CRITICAL* | 16:30 |
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| sdake | ok any further questions? | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | sdake, it will be related | 16:31 |
| sdake | marching orders -> 1. triage bugs indepedently | 16:31 |
| sdake | lets start with #1 ;) | 16:31 |
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| sdake | #2: i'll move bugs to ocata on thursday 00:00 utc | 16:31 |
| sdake | that are not high/critical | 16:32 |
| sdake | the goal of this effort is to reduce scope of rc2 | 16:32 |
| sdake | and it is essential | 16:32 |
| sdake | anyone lacking clarity nwo? | 16:33 |
| sdake | now? | 16:33 |
| pbourke | sdake: sounds good thanks | 16:33 |
| wznoinsk | sdake: 29th Sept you mean? | 16:33 |
| sdake | nice - moving on then :) | 16:33 |
| zhubingbing | agree | 16:33 |
| sdake | wznoinsk no - we have discretioin on our rc2 deadline | 16:34 |
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| sdake | #3. I will set a hard rc2 deadline after #1 and #2 are completed above | 16:34 |
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| sdake | #4. after thursday work on critical bugs first, high bugs second | 16:35 |
| inc0 | wznoinsk, let's merge inspector before then and be done with it;) | 16:36 |
| sdake | wznoinsk works for m e - ue your judgement guys - if we didn't trust you you wouldn't be in the drivers team or core review tam | 16:36 |
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| sdake | ok now- moving on :) | 16:37 |
| sdake | #topic summit sessions fine tuning | 16:37 |
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| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-O-summit-planning | 16:38 |
| sdake | open that one up please | 16:38 |
| zhubingbing | ok | 16:39 |
| sdake | lets walk one by one through these | 16:39 |
| sdake | and determine if they are essential planning or not | 16:39 |
| sdake | actually change in mind | 16:39 |
| sdake | lets work in the etherpad, nd place an "E" next to those you think is essential | 16:40 |
| inc0 | lol | 16:40 |
| sdake | we will then have a poll that inc0 will organize from the essential sessions | 16:40 |
| inc0 | nah, I'll make poll of all of them | 16:40 |
| inc0 | poll in a way that people will be able to prioritize on their own | 16:40 |
| sdake | ok that wfm | 16:41 |
| sdake | inc0 need fast turnaround on that poll | 16:41 |
| sdake | set a 7 day timer, please try to get it out today or tomorrow | 16:41 |
| sdake | i really have a strong desire to give back to the foundation | 16:42 |
| inc0 | it'll hit the openstack-dev today | 16:42 |
| sdake | inc0 roger | 16:42 |
| sdake | even if something is marked essential, if voting is low - it may be cut | 16:42 |
| sdake | polled essential rather | 16:43 |
| duonghq | sdake: can you add note about E in the etherpad? | 16:43 |
| sdake | ok - well i hd planned to usse the rest of this meeting to sort that out, but since the poll solution is on the table, lets use that | 16:43 |
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| sdake | duonghq we have just made a decision to ue openstack-dev poll via a web based voting service | 16:43 |
| duonghq | yay, so the etherpad just for reference? | 16:44 |
| sdake | my brain not operating at full capcity atm - so the recommended one I'd use escapes me | 16:44 |
| sdake | (mornings ftl:( | 16:44 |
| sdake | any questions? | 16:44 |
| duonghq | roger | 16:44 |
| sdake | inc0 i'll sync up with you on the polling softtware i'd recommend using | 16:45 |
| sdake | once i access my mental mind palace ;) | 16:45 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | I'll look on software which will use my favorite election type;) | 16:45 |
| zhubingbing | About hub kolla on docker image management | 16:46 |
| sdake | inc0 just ue the standard pollilng software that other projects use | 16:46 |
| zhubingbing | have long time update | 16:46 |
| inc0 | yeah, that's the model I like;) | 16:46 |
| sdake | sean used it - it worked well iirc | 16:46 |
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| berendt | http://civs.cs.cornell.edu | 16:46 |
| sdake | not civs | 16:46 |
| zhubingbing | I think this should be updated regularly. | 16:47 |
| sdake | if you want to go through the trobule of civs, that is fine, but that doesnt tell us what is essential vs what is noot | 16:47 |
| sdake | it just orders talks in priority | 16:47 |
| britthouser | yeah CIVS picks one winner, not a priority list. | 16:47 |
| sdake | it does prodduce a priority | 16:48 |
| inc0 | sdake, everyone will sort it using preference | 16:48 |
| inc0 | and we'll draw a red line at some point | 16:48 |
| sdake | but it doesn't answer the equestion of "what is essential" | 16:48 |
| sdake | red line = you mean zero budget baseine ;) | 16:48 |
| inc0 | exactly | 16:48 |
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| inc0 | and that will be up to next ptl;) | 16:49 |
| sdake | ok well knock yoursself out | 16:49 |
| inc0 | whoever that might be;) | 16:49 |
| britthouser | Have we entered the #stumping part of the meeting? =P | 16:49 |
| sdake | i would offer guidance to the next ptl whoever that may be to follow community decision making on this topic | 16:49 |
| sdake | thats what I do - and it work well | 16:49 |
| sdake | vs some off-base agenda which doesn't include topics people are interessted in | 16:50 |
| sdake | in other words, refrence the etherpad | 16:50 |
| sdake | britthouser don't think so | 16:50 |
| sdake | zhubingbing on to your topic | 16:50 |
| sdake | zhubingbing our proces around updating docker hub is as follows | 16:51 |
| sdake | 1.1.0 released -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| sdake | 1.1.1 releaed -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| inc0 | also britthouser civs can do multiple winners - like TC eletion | 16:51 |
| zhubingbing | 3.0.0 | 16:51 |
| sdake | 1.1.2 releaeed -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| sdake | 2.0.0 released -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | the poing is: should we push master image? | 16:51 |
| sdake | 2.0.1 ereleased -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| zhubingbing | yes | 16:51 |
| sdake | 2.0.2 releaseed -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| sdake | 3.0.0 released -> docker hub push | 16:51 |
| sdake | 3.0.0.0b1 releaseed - > NO docker hub push | 16:52 |
| sdake | take my word for it, dont open that can of worms | 16:52 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l in other words, no | 16:52 |
| wznoinsk | Jeffrey4l: is it a question about master or rcX? | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | master branch i mean wznoinsk | 16:53 |
| sdake | if you don't notice the pattern above, we only push to docker hub our stable images | 16:53 |
| duonghq | shoud the 3.0.0 images be uploaded to docker hub for a few months ago? | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | https://hub.docker.com/r/kolla/centos-binary-nova-compute/tags/ | 16:53 |
| sdake | master is not stable as referencced by the 107 bugs in rc2 | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | we already pushed some 3.0.0 image . | 16:53 |
| sdake | duonghq 3.0.0 is unreleased | 16:53 |
| duonghq | so the 3.0.0 is pushed by mistake? | 16:54 |
| sdake | if we pushed 3.0.0 images accidentally they should be deleted | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | roger. i am agree not push unstable image. | 16:54 |
| sdake | whoever created that problem pleae fix it | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | ya. | 16:54 |
| zhubingbing | ok | 16:54 |
| zhubingbing | i understand | 16:54 |
| duonghq | ya, those images are placed for awhile | 16:54 |
| pbourke | so will you send that poll via ML inc0 ? | 16:54 |
| inc0 | pbourke, yeah | 16:55 |
| pbourke | inc0: cool thanks | 16:55 |
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| sdake | pbourke he said it would hit ml today | 16:55 |
| inc0 | I'll put ZBB with total number of sessions | 16:55 |
| wznoinsk | Jeffrey4l: +1 | 16:55 |
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| sdake | keep in mind the zbb may change | 16:55 |
| inc0 | if we decide to move it a bit up, to give back to foundation, we'll decide afterwards | 16:55 |
| sdake | ;) | 16:55 |
| sdake | we need to make that decision now inc0 | 16:56 |
| inc0 | I want to see priorities first | 16:56 |
| sdake | not in 1 month | 16:56 |
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| inc0 | poll will be open for 6 days and we'll decide on next meeting | 16:57 |
| inc0 | fair enough? | 16:57 |
| sdake | wfm | 16:57 |
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| britthouser | +! | 16:57 |
| britthouser | +1 | 16:57 |
| sdake | ok any other business? | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | :) | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | I'm here for the woot for kolla? | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | did I miss it? | 16:58 |
| sdake | one last thing - we have a half day contributor meetup | 16:58 |
| inc0 | yes, woot for kola | 16:58 |
| sdake | we can ue this spce however we like | 16:58 |
| inc0 | thanks rhallisey | 16:58 |
| inc0 | woot!! | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | woot! | 16:58 |
| sdake | so we can bleed our zbb into that if we need | 16:58 |
| sdake | lets woot later after 3.0.0 is completed :) | 16:58 |
| berendt | 1 minute left | 16:59 |
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| sdake | yup - time for concllsuion of the meeting | 16:59 |
| sdake | pleasse please help with prioritizatino of bugs | 16:59 |
| sdake | and respond on the poll | 16:59 |
| sdake | and vote for your ptl to serve as your future leader | 16:59 |
| sdake | thanks ;) | 16:59 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 16:59:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-09-21-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-09-21-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-09-21-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| zhubingbing | leader | 17:00 |
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| wznoinsk | thanks guys | 17:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello, The User Guide Speciality team meeting is starting now. | 21:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 21:03:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 21:03 |
| JRobinson__ | I've kept the agenda to the point today, so only a few items to choose from. | 21:04 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any contributors here for the meeting? | 21:04 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Action items from last meeting | 21:08 |
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| JRobinson__ | No items to action. | 21:08 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic User Guide editing blueprint | 21:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | This is the key point that needs to be brought up for today. | 21:09 |
| JRobinson__ | hmm, having trouble locating the blueprint itself | 21:12 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=user-guide-editing | 21:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | However, the point stands that the one or two patches on the topic have had some great reviews from docs contributors suggesting content edits while they are at review.openstack | 21:13 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Thanks to the contributor editing patches in review! | 21:13 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic OpenStack command line client | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack command line client (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 21:14 | |
| JRobinson__ | This was a short point - It's still a work item to remove the service specific clients from the User Guide, and replace them with the OpenStack cli. | 21:14 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Using the content available at in the OpenStack CLI guide. Is this the best source of information on the new commands? | 21:15 |
| JRobinson__ | ^that was the one question to mention at the meeting. | 21:15 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 21:15 | |
| JRobinson__ | Since it's just me today, I'm going to close the meeting, but if anyone reading or interested can answer the cli question above, please get in contact. | 21:16 |
| JRobinson__ | details are here | 21:16 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides#About_the_User_Guide_team | 21:16 |
| JRobinson__ | Or the OpenStack docs mailing list. | 21:16 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks all o/ | 21:16 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 21:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 21:16:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-09-21-21.03.html | 21:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-09-21-21.03.txt | 21:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-09-21-21.03.log.html | 21:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hi All, the Second fortnightly User Guide team meeting is set to start soon, pending attendance. | 23:28 |
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| JRobinson__ | Okay, since it seems fairly quiet, I'm going to call off the APAC User Guide team meeting. | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks all o/ | 23:39 |
| bmoss | o/ | 23:41 |
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