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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 10 08:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone! | 08:01 |
| nofar_schnider | Hi :) | 08:01 |
| idan_hefetz | Good Morning! | 08:01 |
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| nbloom | hi | 08:02 |
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| Wendy_ | hi | 08:02 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:03 | |
| ifat_afek | The voting for Barcelona sessions was closed yesterday. I believe we know the results in two weeks or so | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | Another update is that someone from infra pushed a change, that vitrage specs will appear in the official openstack site | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352747/ | 08:04 |
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| elisha_r | hi! | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | We need to finish our documentation for how to add a new datasource. Noam started it long ago, but it requires more work | 08:06 |
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| ifat_afek | Looks like everybody is busy or on vacation, but let’s try to do it soon | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | My updates: I startied to work on auto-evacuate vms from a failed host. Will also add a blueprint later today | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Who wants to update? | 08:07 |
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| alexey_weyl | hellllooooooooooooo | 08:08 |
| alexey_weyl | I will update | 08:09 |
| alexey_weyl | I have started to work on the multi tenancy feature | 08:09 |
| alexey_weyl | this feature main goal is to know what data to show for each on of the apis that we have depending on the tenant that asks that data | 08:10 |
| alexey_weyl | i will upload a blueprint soon, and there we could discuss the design | 08:10 |
| alexey_weyl | that's it for now | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: great, thanks | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | multi tenancy is very important, we must support it | 08:11 |
| elisha_r | I'll update | 08:12 |
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| elisha_r | Been reviewing some of the work on the Zabbix Datasource modeling, and we have a problem we will need to address in the coming months | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | currently, the alarms are connected (in the entity graph) to the resource on which they were raised | 08:13 |
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| elisha_r | so, if an alarm is raised in Zabbix on a host, the alarm will be a vertex in the entity graph, connected with "on" edge to the host | 08:13 |
| elisha_r | however, there are cases where this is not the best modeling | 08:14 |
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| elisha_r | for example, if the hosts are using Ceph to handle Shared Storage between the hosts, if ceph has a problem on one host it will appear on all the hosts | 08:15 |
| elisha_r | so, if we have 10 hosts, it would make sense to just raise on alarm in Vitrage, on a new vertex of type "ceph service" or something equivalent | 08:16 |
| elisha_r | Another issue | 08:17 |
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| elisha_r | we have currently no way (as I understand it) to distinguish in Zabbix between tests on a host (compute) and tests on a switch | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: right… so first we need a way to model “ceph” vertex in the graph, and then to configure zabbix datasource to raise the alarm on ceph and not on each node separately | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | we solved it in nagios using a config file that determines the resource id. don’t we have something similar for zabbix? | 08:18 |
| elisha_r | actually, I'm wrong about my last point. we use the same nagios config file to distinguish them. my bad | 08:18 |
| elisha_r | :) | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | :) | 08:19 |
| elisha_r | perhaps we need to expand that config file to solve the ceph issue | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | probably | 08:19 |
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| elisha_r | anyhow, we should open a BP for this, to have it addressed | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | right | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | we have this blueprint for nagios: | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/+spec/nagios-configure-alarm-names | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | maybe it can be extended to include also the affected resource. or we can open another blueprint | 08:21 |
| nofar_schnider | I think it will be nice to use the config file solution for other resources. we don't know what we'll encounter further on | 08:21 |
| elisha_r | yup | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | cool. who else wants to update? | 08:22 |
| nofar_schnider | Time for some Heat datasource updates! | 08:22 |
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| ifat_afek | #action open blueprint for configuring the affected resource in zabbix | 08:23 |
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| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek open blueprint for nova host evacuation | 08:23 |
| nofar_schnider | I am testing the heat notifications handling (from the messages bus) in Vitrage and the support we've added to get information regarding the stacks from heatclient. | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | (nofar_schnider: sorry for the interrupt :-)) | 08:24 |
| nofar_schnider | When I'm done with that I'll add support for stack resources. | 08:24 |
| nofar_schnider | The main task there is to figure out which resources interest us and are important enought to be added to the graph | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | nofar_schnider: what kind of stack resources exist? | 08:25 |
| nofar_schnider | that's ok | 08:26 |
| nofar_schnider | ifat_afek: that's a really good question | 08:27 |
| nofar_schnider | I still don't know but I will check and update | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | ok, thanks | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | anyone else wants to update? | 08:29 |
| lhartal | hi :) I just want to update that I'm currently working on bug in Zabbix datasource. The bug is that after vitrage graph is loaded we can see all zabbix alarms in Vitrage, but after the second "get all" action some of the alarms disappear | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | lhartal: ok, thanks | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | any other updates? | 08:30 |
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| ifat_afek | moving on | 08:32 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:32 |
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| ifat_afek | anything you would like to talk about? | 08:32 |
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| ifat_afek | ok, so that’s it for today | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | goodbye :) | 08:35 |
| nofar_schnider | bye | 08:35 |
| nbloom | goodbye | 08:35 |
| elisha_r | see ya... | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 10 08:35:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-08-10-08.01.html | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-08-10-08.01.txt | 08:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-08-10-08.01.log.html | 08:35 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 10 13:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | who is here for api today? | 13:01 |
| cdent | hola | 13:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
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| alex_xu | good morning everyone! | 13:01 |
| gmann_ | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | sdague will join later | 13:01 |
| gmann_ | good morning | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | ok, let us start the meeting | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | for proxy api deprecation, we merged the patch about imageref last week | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | and the only thing left is about the cli part I think | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-novaclient+branch:master+topic:net-compat | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | looks like no activety on those patches, i probably can check with dansmith if he needs any help later | 13:04 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: both seems have +2 | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: both have -1 also | 13:05 |
| gmann_ | oh | 13:05 |
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| alex_xu | for user_id based policy enforcement, we already have good sample patch from gmann_ | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | the only problem is the spec still not merged yet :( | 13:06 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: i am pushing other patches too | 13:07 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea once spec is merged then we can merge code easily | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: cool, thanks | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/324068 | 13:07 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: and while doing that i found start stop server already have policy enforcement for user_id | 13:07 |
| gmann_ | looks like we missed that we are providing for those | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ^ if you have time, we probably need a quick update the spec, then we can ask johnthetubaguy and matt help for merge the spec | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: yea, I guess there are few action already have user_id | 13:08 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: sdague so here another question is should we stop this for start server as we are doing only for destructive actions ? | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know changing the devstack default has taken over his life, but I think that is merged now | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I wasn't sure about that | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | start isn't *as* destructive, but its odd not matching the pair | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: we talk about that last week, we won't stop that | 13:09 |
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| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: alex_xu humm, then we do for all pair action like lock-unlock etc | 13:10 |
| gmann_ | my feeling was only for those listed currently in spec | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | we want to deprecate that feature, so won't expand that support to more action i guess | 13:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, thats the aim, a minimal solution | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: yea, me tto | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | s/tto/too | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | the operators claimed they were happy with the list, it would be nice to get them to vote on this I guess? we should maybe follow up the old thread with a link? | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea nice idea. and based on that we can do. | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | is someone happy to take that action? | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: we already do that | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I wondered if we had | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't keep on top of that list | 13:13 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: did we posted list? | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sdague follow a link when he sent the spec out | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that sounds like the good stuff he would do | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, how to move forward? | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think there a few typos and template issues that need fixing | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats what made me drop my vote | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | if someone could tidy that up, I could re-apply my +2 | 13:14 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: and confirm_resize and revert_resize one also in question now | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | not really, its the same as all the other ones | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | start and unlock | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | etc | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | revert causes a small VM outage I guess | 13:15 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: but thats little bit different as resize is not a complete opertion alone without them | 13:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, true | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the thing is, stopping folks do bad things | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you can't call resize, it doesn't matter so much if you call revert or confirm, I guess | 13:16 |
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| gmann_ | and if after resize other can do revert_resize or confirm_resize which owner does not want :) | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | its about restricting access, not increasing access, so the folks who can resize are allowed to do the other operations | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: its the same argument as start | 13:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kinda | 13:17 |
| gmann_ | but yea there are lot of possibiity so not so strong on this | 13:17 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:17 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea :) | 13:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I wouldn't block anything that added both, but I wouldn't block on them not being their either | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | most people never call resize ever, so its a mute point really | 13:18 |
| gmann_ | humm | 13:18 |
| gmann_ | ok | 13:18 |
| sdague | trying to catch up. | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just a light handed protection here, rather than strict isolation | 13:18 |
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| sdague | is there a patch up for the list of actions in the spec? | 13:18 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea, agree | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: you had a patch up for one action I thought? | 13:19 |
| sdague | I'd rather review just that first, get that in, then contemplate any chances only after that's in | 13:19 |
| gmann_ | sdague: johnthetubaguy i started and up for many | 13:19 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/user_id_based_policy_enforcement | 13:19 |
| sdague | gmann_: ok | 13:19 |
| gmann_ | sdague: lock one is first one | 13:19 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351100/ | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: cool | 13:20 |
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| sdague | gmann_: ok, cool, I'll review that stack once we're done with the meeting | 13:20 |
| gmann_ | sdague: it depends on spec patch | 13:20 |
| gmann_ | sdague: Thanks | 13:20 |
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| sdague | hmph | 13:20 |
| sdague | we're still reviewing that spec? | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | yea, some comments on the spec :) | 13:21 |
| sdague | grr... mriedmen is rehashing all the same things we did here weeks ago | 13:21 |
| gmann_ | :) | 13:21 |
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| sdague | mriedem: ok, well I'm frustrated with your comments on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/3/specs/newton/approved/user_id_based_policy_enforcement.rst | 13:22 |
| sdague | because they are exactly the issues we've been over multiple times about not making this a complete solution only blocking destructive ops | 13:22 |
| mriedem | ok? | 13:23 |
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| sdague | unlock, unpause, unshelve were intentionally left off the list | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I removed my vote due to the formatting blips he spotted, the content I am still OK with (although the revert/confirm made me think, but I don't think its worth adding) | 13:23 |
| sdague | This spec proposes that we support a very limited set of operations on | 13:24 |
| sdague | servers to check the user_id of the server in policy. These are | 13:24 |
| sdague | operations that are considered destructive to servers. | 13:24 |
| mriedem | ok i guess i missed that part | 13:24 |
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| mriedem | or didn't make the connection | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... and we are doing an intentionally bad job, so people know its a dead thing | 13:24 |
| sdague | so, I'm fine fixing the template leak | 13:24 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right | 13:25 |
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| sdague | but we really need to move this forward, and the only ops folks that commented, were fine with this list of actions | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | I remember I comment on evacuate is admin action, not sure why it added back to the list | 13:25 |
| gmann_ | sdague: should we state in spec that to not honor user_id for start server which is done currently | 13:25 |
| sdague | alex_xu: by default, the whole point is people are changing policy | 13:25 |
| mriedem | is there something in here which is clear about why it's only destructive operations and why we are just doing those? | 13:26 |
| sdague | if they are changing policy, we shouldn't make assumptions about what they changed it to | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, got it | 13:26 |
| mriedem | i get there are words about we missed this and people are using it but it's a crappy solution, | 13:26 |
| sdague | mriedem: that's basically the whole problem description | 13:26 |
| sdague | we never believed this should be a feature | 13:26 |
| sdague | apparently it was | 13:26 |
| sdague | and people are backdooring hierachical projects via this feature | 13:27 |
| sdague | so we will provide the bare minimum safeguards to not randomly destroy every other persons vm in your project | 13:27 |
| mriedem | so maybe fill out the actual use case section | 13:27 |
| sdague | ok, it seemed like it was pretty clear from problem description | 13:27 |
| mriedem | joe bob and jim bob are in the same project, joe bob stops his server but doesn't want jim bob to stop it, but jim bob can start job bob's server | 13:28 |
| mriedem | sorry but it wasn't clear when i read it | 13:28 |
| sdague | we also kind of don't want to document the use case too much, because the issue is people found those docs, and all started doing this | 13:29 |
| sdague | we're actually trying to discourage that | 13:29 |
| mriedem | :/ | 13:29 |
| gmann_ | we will be doing this with deprecated feature right | 13:29 |
| mriedem | obfuscated features | 13:29 |
| mriedem | yeah, that was another thing i pointed out - it said this would be deprecated but didn't say how that would be signaled | 13:30 |
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| sdague | well, part of the signalling is removing all the docs about it | 13:30 |
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| gmann_ | mriedem: yea | 13:30 |
| mriedem | are there docs about it? | 13:30 |
| sdague | L190 - 192 | 13:30 |
| sdague | yes, there are examples in some of the official docs that alex I think managed to delete | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we store the default policy in code, we should be able to warn if user_id is in a policy I guess? | 13:31 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: we probably could | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | yea, I fixed some | 13:31 |
| sdague | but, freeze is in 10 business days | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/325645 | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/325648 | 13:31 |
| gmann_ | sdague: how about we explicitly say in api-ref plese do not use this | 13:31 |
| sdague | gmann_: there is nothing in api-ref about policy | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: its not really api-ref, its a operator thing | 13:32 |
| gmann_ | hummm | 13:32 |
| sdague | here is the situation | 13:32 |
| sdague | large sites are using this feature | 13:32 |
| sdague | we've removed it | 13:32 |
| sdague | we have a spec and code to bring back enough for them to survive | 13:32 |
| sdague | so do we move forward, or just fully kick them in the privates :) | 13:32 |
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| mriedem | there is already code up? | 13:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/user_id_based_policy_enforcement | 13:34 |
| gmann_ | mriedem https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/user_id_based_policy_enforcement | 13:34 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:34 |
| mriedem | i'm fine with the spec moving forward, but it needed some work | 13:34 |
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| mriedem | sorry i didn't blanket +W it | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: are you OK with the current action list now? | 13:34 |
| gmann_ | sdague: johnthetubaguy mriedem we will remove user_id thing from start server right? just confirming again | 13:35 |
| sdague | mriedem: ok, what is the changes I can make in the next hour to put this into a merge state | 13:35 |
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| gmann_ | hoping this would cause backward incompatibilte thigns as v2.1 support that | 13:35 |
| sdague | I think that's what I'm asking, because you have a lot of comments in there | 13:35 |
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| sdague | and a bunch of those are things we have specifically said we wouldn't do | 13:36 |
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| mriedem | i haven't gone through the actions in fine detail, i.e. not sure how crashDump is destructive yet w/o looking | 13:36 |
| mriedem | or like, why isn't snapshot in here if os-stop is? | 13:37 |
| sdague | mriedem: ok, so here is the thing, the action list was signed off on by the stake holders that need this | 13:37 |
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| sdague | so if you are reopenning that discussion, then the feature misses newton, because we need to go recheck that with the stake holders again | 13:38 |
| mriedem | and that's not pointed out in the spec because we want it to be a secret? | 13:38 |
| sdague | tim bell sent an email on it over a month ago to public lists | 13:38 |
| mriedem | if it's a special list and it was discussed elsewhere then fine, i didn't know any of that, so let's just move forward with this list | 13:38 |
| sdague | I'll go try to find it | 13:39 |
| mriedem | and from what i remember then it was like 3 actions | 13:39 |
| sdague | no, it was this action list | 13:39 |
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| sdague | it's been this action list since it was posted - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/1..3/specs/newton/approved/user_id_based_policy_enforcement.rst | 13:40 |
| mriedem | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-May/010560.html | 13:40 |
| mriedem | ^ 3 actions | 13:40 |
| mriedem | and that's what i remembered | 13:40 |
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| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096590.html | 13:41 |
| sdague | that's tim bell's sign off on this review | 13:41 |
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| sdague | yes, it would have been better if they actually commented on the review, but it was on the public list | 13:41 |
| mriedem | so they don't care about console? | 13:42 |
| mriedem | even after they said that a few times early on? | 13:42 |
| sdague | he looked at the list | 13:42 |
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| sdague | this is the narative that I've been going off of, folks from the operators list saw this spec, it's been the same set of actions since inception, and they didn't complain at this point. And we were just handling paperwork issues with nova specs folks not acking that | 13:44 |
| sdague | which means I still believe we should move forward on that list. If it turns out to be the wrong thing, we at least had it public for a long window of time unchanged. If we change it during vacation season 2 weeks from freeze, it's not really clear we can get revalidation on it | 13:46 |
| mriedem | so maybe the spec should explicitly say, yeah this isn't a full list probably, but this is what people in the referenced ops list said they were happy with | 13:46 |
| mriedem | and we don't want people using this anyway so tough | 13:46 |
| sdague | I'm fine making that update after this meeting | 13:47 |
| sdague | do we agree we move forward after that clarification? | 13:47 |
| mriedem | sure, clean up the template stuff too, point out the use case | 13:48 |
| mriedem | those were my gripes | 13:48 |
| sdague | will do | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | so cool :) | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: sdague johnthetubaguy could you feedback on the network deprecation cli patches also, if it needs update, i can help on update if Dan busy on other thing | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-novaclient+branch:master+topic:net-compat | 13:49 |
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| mriedem | i told dan i would help work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347514/ but i'm not sure if i'll actually have time now given some other stuff i'm working on | 13:50 |
| * alex_xu reminds 10 mins left | 13:51 | |
| mriedem | but he said he was ok with others helping out there | 13:51 |
| mriedem | since it got a lot bigger than he expected i think | 13:51 |
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| alex_xu | mriedem: no problem, I can work on so I needn't check with Dan, just get the authorization from you is enough | 13:52 |
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| mriedem | you might want to give him a heads up | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: ok, got it, catch him after the meeting | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | the last thing is policy discovery cli | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/discoverable-policy-cli | 13:53 |
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| alex_xu | looks pretty good for me, but just no activity on those patches | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | if you guys can give some feedback, I may catch the claudio to see if he can update or I give some help to make progress | 13:54 |
| sdague | alex_xu: it's probably worth just updating those patches | 13:54 |
| sdague | if you have feedback, as we're near the wire here | 13:55 |
| sdague | it's the better part of a day to get a patch through the gate now even if it's good, and I expect that to grow to 2 days | 13:55 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, got it | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: 2.37 looks like faild on a functional test, then it LGTM | 13:56 |
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| mriedem | alex_xu: unrelated failure, i'll recheck | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: due to that test running on `lastest` version | 13:57 |
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| alex_xu | after 2.37 we have 2.38, then this is all for newton | 13:57 |
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| alex_xu | anything I missing? | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | otherwise we will close the meeting, 2 mins left | 13:58 |
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| alex_xu | emm... 1 mins left | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | ok, thanks all! | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 10 14:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| gmann_ | Thanks alex_xu | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-08-10-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-08-10-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-08-10-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 10 14:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
| acabot | hello ! | 14:01 |
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| gzhai-mobl | hi | 14:01 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:01 |
| hvprash | hi | 14:01 |
| jinquan1 | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#08.2F10.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| jed56 | hi | 14:01 |
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| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| acabot | a couple of announcements today ;) | 14:02 |
| acabot | #info Watcher release mode has been updated to cycle-with-milestones but TC prefer that we wait for the Ocata cycle | 14:02 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:02 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353333/ | 14:02 |
| jwcroppe | \o | 14:02 |
| jwcroppe | hi | 14:02 |
| acabot | it doesn't change anything, we just have to do it again at the end of the newton cycle | 14:03 |
| acabot | #info ongoing discussions on the ML regarding Watcher use cases for Nova placement API | 14:03 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100600.html | 14:03 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100327.html | 14:03 |
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| acabot | thx edleafe for describing our needs on the ML | 14:03 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : did you get feedback from jaypipes ? | 14:04 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: yep, I updated the etherpad as well | 14:04 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:04 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: there is a lot of placement discussion going on - really two different ideas | 14:05 |
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| acabot | jwcroppe : ok so anything we can do on our side for now ? | 14:05 |
| acabot | just follow the ML :-) | 14:06 |
| jwcroppe | follow ML for now | 14:06 |
| acabot | ok | 14:06 |
| acabot | edleafe : any update on your side or the ML is up to date ? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | yeah - nothing Watcher-related will be possible until the placement API is solid | 14:06 |
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| acabot | edleafe : ok | 14:07 |
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| acabot | edleafe : and when do you see that happened ? ocata ? p ? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | there is no interest in adding a new API to live migrate if the placement API is coming soon | 14:07 |
| jed56 | hmm | 14:07 |
| edleafe | ocata is possible, but P is more likely | 14:08 |
| acabot | edleafe : yes it depends is the placement API is targeted for ocata | 14:08 |
| acabot | ok | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | hi | 14:08 |
| edleafe | acabot: we're trying to get the basics in Newton | 14:08 |
| acabot | edleafe : ok | 14:08 |
| edleafe | acabot: so that the data will be migrated by ocata | 14:08 |
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| acabot | #info tpeoples stepped down from Watcher core | 14:08 |
| acabot | #info alexchadin is promoted as Watcher core, please vote on the ML | 14:09 |
| acabot | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100828.html | 14:09 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100828.html | 14:09 |
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| acabot | #info (special for edleafe ;-)) jellyfish is now the official Watcher mascot | 14:10 |
| jed56 | ;-) | 14:10 |
| edleafe | acabot: :) | 14:10 |
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| acabot | #info votes for Barcelona talks are closed, we will get the results on August 25th | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe | Jellyfish! nice | 14:11 |
| hvprash | :) | 14:11 |
| acabot | #info last mid-cycle etherpad with actions #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:11 |
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| acabot | so please review your actions and strikeout them when completed | 14:11 |
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| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:12 |
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| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:12 |
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| acabot | watcher-specs | 14:12 |
| acabot | alexchadin : you should update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339456/ | 14:13 |
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| alexchadin | acabot: I'm working on it and will discuss some things with jed56 | 14:13 |
| acabot | alexchadin : I saw your quick chat with vincentfrancoise, is the scope clear enough ? | 14:13 |
| acabot | ok thx | 14:14 |
| jed56 | just after the meeting ;-) | 14:14 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin update spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339456/ to reflect mid-cycle decisions | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | thanks! | 14:14 |
| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ needs reviews from core | 14:14 |
| acabot | because Greg's team is ready to release the code | 14:15 |
| acabot | #action jwcroppe sballe acabot review and merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:15 |
| acabot | Added spec for automatic triggering audit needs a new PS | 14:15 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 14:15 |
| acabot | I dont think digambar is here | 14:16 |
| acabot | #action digambar add a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 14:16 |
| acabot | Limit concurrent actions invoked by Watcher needs reviews | 14:16 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348049/ | 14:17 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : is this spec ready for reviews ? | 14:17 |
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| acabot | watcher | 14:17 |
| acabot | Add goal_id, strategy_id and host_aggregate CLI options to audit has been merged | 14:17 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332982/ | 14:18 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: yes | 14:18 |
| acabot | thx hvprash | 14:18 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: it's ready for review | 14:18 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : ok thx | 14:18 |
| hvprash | thx | 14:18 |
| acabot | Add Scoring Module implementation needs reviews | 14:19 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351577/ | 14:19 |
| acabot | I dont think tomasz is here | 14:19 |
| acabot | but he is probably waiting for reviews :-D | 14:19 |
| acabot | who wants to review the scoring module ? | 14:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | I will | 14:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | already started bu now tomasz added tests so I will go through them | 14:20 |
| jinquan-tmp | i can do it also | 14:20 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise jinquan-tmp review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351577/ | 14:20 |
| acabot | thx | 14:20 |
| acabot | Added Monasca Helper needs reviews | 14:21 |
| tkaczynski | hi, sorry for being late - have problems with network | 14:21 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348891/ | 14:21 |
| gzhai-mobl | i can have a look | 14:21 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : no pb, is the scoring module ready for reviews ? | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai-mobl: thanks | 14:21 |
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| tkaczynski | yes, it's ready | 14:21 |
| acabot | gzhai-mobl : yes I'd like to have you on Monasca | 14:21 |
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| acabot | #action gzhai-mobl review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348891/ | 14:22 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : vincentfrancoise & jinquan will review your code, thx | 14:22 |
| acabot | Added strategy ID + Action Plan syncing needs reviews to close the efficacy-indicator BP | 14:22 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325213/ | 14:23 |
| acabot | hvprash : could you please take a look at this PS ? | 14:23 |
| hvprash | sure | 14:23 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: thanks. I'm not working this week ad the next one, but I will be addressing all potential issues to not block the review | 14:23 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : great thx, I'd like to have the scoring engine merged by August 28th | 14:24 |
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| acabot | #action hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325213/ | 14:24 |
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| tkaczynski | acabot: me too, I'll do my best to make you guys happy :) | 14:24 |
| acabot | :-) | 14:24 |
| vincentfrancoise | :) | 14:24 |
| acabot | Add rally-jobs folder to get rally support any update since Rally additions ? | 14:24 |
| jed56 | :p | 14:25 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/ | 14:25 |
| acabot | alexchadin : any update on rally support . | 14:25 |
| acabot | ? | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | acabot: 1 commit left to get full rally support for watcher | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | 4 are already merged | 14:25 |
| acabot | #info 1 commit left to get full rally support for watcher | 14:26 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:26 |
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| alexchadin | after that I will update this PS | 14:26 |
| acabot | our current milestone in Newton-3 due August 29th | 14:27 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:27 |
| acabot | our 3 essentials BPs are almost done | 14:27 |
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| acabot | gzhai-mobl : did you start working on a spec for "Use a state machine to model Watcher objects lifecycle" ? #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/statemachine-transition-permission | 14:28 |
| acabot | Handle race condition of sync from multiple decision engines should be abandoned (mid-cycle discussion) | 14:29 |
| gzhai-mobl | not yet. i am on some ceilometer task this week | 14:29 |
| gzhai-mobl | i will start it soon | 14:29 |
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| acabot | gzhai-mobl : ok | 14:29 |
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| acabot | could you also abandon this change ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339285/ | 14:30 |
| acabot | gzhai-mobl : could you also abandon this change ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339285/ | 14:30 |
| gzhai-mobl | acabot: got it | 14:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot did you see the discussion about this on the laucnhapad bug comments section? | 14:30 |
| gzhai-mobl | ok | 14:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1598946 | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1598946 in watcher "Initial execution of parallel engines can be racey " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Zhai, Edwin (edwin-zhai) | 14:31 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : yes we looked at it during the midcycle | 14:31 |
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| vincentfrancoise | ok good :) | 14:31 |
| acabot | and stated that its not really a bug and we dont have to support it | 14:31 |
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| acabot | #action abandon the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339285/ | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action gzhai-mobl abandon the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339285/ | 14:32 |
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| acabot | gzhai-mobl : any update regarding perform scalability test for watcher ? | 14:32 |
| acabot | gzhai-mobl : I mean is the requirements list OK for the deployment team ? | 14:33 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-test-environment-specifications | 14:33 |
| gzhai-mobl | they confirm the configuration | 14:34 |
| acabot | gzhai-mobl : ok they dont need any more details ? | 14:34 |
| gzhai-mobl | they ask for the scripts | 14:34 |
| acabot | for Monasca deployment ? | 14:35 |
| acabot | dtardivel will be back next week and share scripts | 14:35 |
| acabot | jinquan1 : resize-overload-instance needs an updated description and specs | 14:36 |
| gzhai-mobl | yes. they didnt deploy monasca before | 14:36 |
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| gzhai-mobl | but they said it should be ok with some help from us | 14:37 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel send Monasca deployment scripts with gzhai-mobl | 14:37 |
| jinquan-tmp | acabot：yes, will do | 14:37 |
| jinquan-tmp | In recent weeks, mainly in the company's internal projects, so less time to invest watcher. | 14:37 |
| jinquan-tmp | i will back to watcher after tommorow | 14:37 |
| acabot | jinquan-tmp : midcycle outputs are clear enough ? | 14:37 |
| jinquan-tmp | umm, i maybe need discuss with jed | 14:38 |
| acabot | jinquan-tmp : ok no pb, do not hesitate to ask if you need more explanations | 14:38 |
| jed56 | jinquan-tmp: yes we can discuss today | 14:38 |
| jed56 | if you want | 14:38 |
| gzhai-mobl | we didn't require cinder, right? | 14:38 |
| jinquan-tmp | jed56, to late for me today :) | 14:39 |
| jinquan-tmp | too | 14:39 |
| jed56 | jinquan-tmp: ah yes sorry | 14:39 |
| acabot | gzhai-mobl : right, we dont need it | 14:39 |
| jinquan-tmp | jed56: i will contact you next day | 14:39 |
| jinquan-tmp | ok? | 14:39 |
| jed56 | jinquan-tmp: yes :) | 14:39 |
| acabot | #topic Open discussions | 14:40 |
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| gzhai-mobl | acabot: ok | 14:40 |
| jinquan-tmp | jed56: thank you very much ! | 14:40 |
| jed56 | jinquan-tmp: welcome | 14:40 |
| acabot | Thanks to POC [9] & bench [10] done by vincentfrancoise, we need to decide which metrics back-end we need to support in Watcher | 14:40 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348892/ | 14:40 |
| acabot | #link https://pad.b-com.com/p/monasca-ceilometer-ceilosca | 14:40 |
| acabot | I really want to avoid having one strategy implemented for each metrics back-end | 14:41 |
| acabot | with the bench, we see that Monasca is really better than telemetry | 14:41 |
| acabot | but Monasca is a nightmare to deploy in a devstack env | 14:41 |
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| acabot | so if we want to keep it consistent (telemetry for devstack and monasca for real deployment) | 14:42 |
| hvprash | suggest ceilosca considering the performance improvements | 14:42 |
| acabot | we should rely on ceilosca | 14:42 |
| acabot | hvprash : exactly | 14:42 |
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| acabot | we have 2 problems with Ceilosca | 14:43 |
| acabot | performances are poor compare to standalone Monasca | 14:43 |
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| acabot | and we cannot use groupby is requests | 14:43 |
| acabot | s/is/in | 14:43 |
| acabot | so I would suggest to share our bench results with Monasca team and see if they can improve ceilosca | 14:44 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:44 |
| acabot | instead of choosing between Monasca or Telemetry support | 14:44 |
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| hvprash | internally we were planning to go the ceilosca route | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: whilst trying out ceilosca | 14:45 |
| acabot | jwcroppe edleafe : any thoughts on this ? | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | I had some tiny behaviour differences between plain old ceilometer and ceilosca | 14:46 |
| edleafe | I haven't looked into the differences. Are they significant? | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | one being when you don't specify a start time | 14:46 |
| gzhai-mobl | which one for scalability test? monasca | 14:46 |
| gzhai-mobl | ? | 14:46 |
| acabot | gzhai-mobl : yes monasca | 14:46 |
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| acabot | edleafe : differences between telemetry and monasca ? | 14:47 |
| vincentfrancoise | ceilosca will give you data starting from epoch whereas ceilometer seems to limit it to 1 mont-worth of data | 14:47 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: hmm ... | 14:47 |
| edleafe | acabot: yes, as well as ceilometer/ceilosca differences | 14:47 |
| hvprash | vincentfrancoise, what behavior differences ? we could discuss after the meeting too. interested in knowing more. | 14:48 |
| edleafe | vincentfrancoise: so if you specify a start, they are the same? | 14:48 |
| vincentfrancoise | edleafe: yes | 14:48 |
| vincentfrancoise | that's why I said tiny differences | 14:48 |
| hvprash | ah ok | 14:48 |
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| vincentfrancoise | watcher strategies we not giving any start time until now | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | and it was working although slowly using Ceilometer | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | I would strive to keep the interface consistent, and work to make ceilosca as close to ceilometer as necessary | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | This keeps the Watcher side simple, and improves ceilosca | 14:49 |
| acabot | +1 | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | but when I switched to Ceilosca, it pretty much broke Watcher because it was returning to much data with zeros everywhere | 14:50 |
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| hvprash | +1 | 14:50 |
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| jed56 | edleafe: this is the idea of ceilosca but ceilosca have some drawbacks | 14:50 |
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| acabot | #action acabot vincentfrancoise share bench results with Monasca team and ask for possible improvements of ceilosca | 14:51 |
| edleafe | vincentfrancoise: so it sounds like ceilosca still needs a lot of work | 14:51 |
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| vincentfrancoise | edleafe: yes that's my point | 14:51 |
| edleafe | vincentfrancoise: I wouldn't mangle Watcher logic to compensate | 14:51 |
| jed56 | edleafe: +2 | 14:51 |
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| acabot | I think using ceilosca give prefs as good as using ceilometer ;-) | 14:52 |
| acabot | s/prefs/perfs | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: it was still 8 times slower | 14:53 |
| edleafe | So unless you want to add a driver (translation) layer to the interface to telemetry, I'd standardize on ceilometer and help the ceilosca folks improve their product | 14:53 |
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| acabot | edleafe : I want to avoir the driver layer ! | 14:53 |
| acabot | s/avoir/avoid | 14:53 |
| edleafe | acabot: yeah, so would I! | 14:53 |
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| acabot | ok lets try to sync with ceilosca team and see what happened | 14:54 |
| acabot | any other topic to discuss in the last 5 minutes ? | 14:54 |
| jwcroppe | edleafe: I agree | 14:55 |
| acabot | hvprash : I will send the email for promoting you as core on watcher-specs next week | 14:55 |
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| hvprash | thx acabot | 14:55 |
| acabot | hvprash : do you know if michaelgugino will be available next week to work on ansible scripts with dtradivel ? | 14:56 |
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| hvprash | i will check and confirm. i think he should be available | 14:56 |
| acabot | great thx | 14:57 |
| hvprash | sure | 14:57 |
| acabot | ok so thank you and have a good day/night | 14:57 |
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| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:58 |
| hvprash | bye | 14:58 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:58 |
| jinquan-tmp | Bye | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:58 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 10 14:58:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-08-10-14.01.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-08-10-14.01.txt | 14:58 |
| jwcroppe | bye | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-08-10-14.01.log.html | 14:58 |
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| michaelgugino | hi | 14:59 |
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| ulik | hi | 15:00 |
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| ulik | I think Curtis has sent an email to skip the operators telecom nfv meeting for this week | 15:04 |
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| michael_ | So is there a meeting? | 15:05 |
| ulik | I think no. Would you have any topic to discuss? | 15:06 |
| michael_ | We are new to the team so not sure -- | 15:06 |
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| michael_ | We are working a lot with the full MANO stack | 15:07 |
| michael_ | Figure this would be a great place to share our expertise and gain expertise from others in the space | 15:07 |
| ulik | Yes. Agree. | 15:08 |
| ulik | But I think it is only two of us today. So better wait for the others. Or you share some ideas on email. | 15:09 |
| ulik | Make sure you use [telecom-nfv] tag on operators mailing list. | 15:09 |
| michael_ | OK - I guess in 2 weeks. | 15:10 |
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| ulik | OK see you in 2 weeks! | 15:10 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 10 16:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:01 |
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| duonghq | o/ | 16:01 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:01 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 16:01 |
| berendt | o/ | 16:01 |
| janki | o/ | 16:01 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:01 |
| mandre | hi! | 16:01 |
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| Jeffrey4l | \0/ | 16:01 |
| janki | Hi, this is my first meeting here | 16:02 |
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| sdake | jenki welcome aboard! | 16:02 |
| inc0 | welcome janki :) | 16:02 |
| duonghq | welcome janki | 16:02 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 16:02 |
| berendt | janki welcome, it's my 2nd one, don't worry | 16:02 |
| janki | thank you sdake duonghq inc0 berendt | 16:02 |
| coolsvap | janki: o/ berendt ;) | 16:02 |
| janki | excited :) | 16:03 |
| duonghq | berendt: it is my 3rd iirc | 16:03 |
| sdake | well lets rolling | 16:03 |
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| sdake | #topic annuncements | 16:03 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:03 |
| sdake | #undo | 16:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f5bbf31eb50> | 16:03 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| sdake | osic cluster is on scenario #3 of 11 or 12 or whatever it is we have :) | 16:04 |
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| sdake | work progressing nicely | 16:04 |
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| sdake | gaterhing tmepest and rally data | 16:04 |
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| rhallisey | hi | 16:04 |
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| sdake | if you want to help please contact inc0 | 16:04 |
| sdake | he will get you ramped up | 16:04 |
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| sdake | any other announcements from community folks? | 16:05 |
| inc0 | first 2 deployments gave us incredible results | 16:05 |
| inc0 | 130node deployments took little over 20min | 16:05 |
| duonghq | just a ref link for newcomer: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-N-midcycle-osic | 16:05 |
| inc0 | so please, one woot for Kolla;) | 16:05 |
| rhallisey | woot | 16:05 |
| rhallisey | there you are | 16:05 |
| sdake | woot woot | 16:05 |
| sdake | how about two ;) | 16:05 |
| mandre | this is awesome | 16:06 |
| inc0 | that's it from me, can we have osic cluster item tho? | 16:06 |
| inc0 | agenda item | 16:06 |
| coolsvap | woot (y) | 16:06 |
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| duonghq | hi sean-k-mooney | 16:07 |
| * coolsvap is wounded today pls don't expect immediate replies | 16:07 | |
| lrensing_ | o/ | 16:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 16:07 |
| sdake | inc0 its already in the agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:07 |
| inc0 | yay | 16:07 |
| sdake | any other announcements | 16:07 |
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| sdake | wow lots of kolla cats today | 16:08 |
| sdake | #topic OSIC scale testing | 16:08 |
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| sdake | i asked pbourke for an update before he departed to a bender | 16:08 |
| sdake | the results are that we are ready for #3 test case | 16:09 |
| sdake | however, I noticed that I am unable to ssh into the VMs | 16:09 |
| sdake | maybe I am just doing it wrong | 16:09 |
| sdake | inc0 can you help get that straigthened out, I wantto run bonnie++ on the scenario 2 | 16:09 |
| sdake | (today) | 16:09 |
| inc0 | sure | 16:09 |
| inc0 | my question tho to pbourke and coolsvap | 16:10 |
| sdake | see what kind of perf ceph gifves at 10gig | 16:10 |
| pbourke | im wondering should we spend a few minutes making sure we're happy with the test scenarios | 16:10 |
| inc0 | did you guys write down testing methodology? | 16:10 |
| vhosakot | sdake: inc0: I need help to pick items for OSIC cluster in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-N-midcycle-osic.. will ping in kolla channel after meeting | 16:10 |
| inc0 | how did you setup tempest and stuff | 16:10 |
| inc0 | sure vho | 16:10 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, | 16:10 |
| vhosakot | I got the VPN, ssh, tmux part working | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | ya I wanted to try aswell | 16:10 |
| sdake | vhosakot i think inc0 will hep you with that | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | just swamped | 16:10 |
| vhosakot | sdake: cool... | 16:10 |
| sdake | pbourke sounds reasonable - lets not second guess ourselves though | 16:10 |
| vhosakot | I will start doing more reviews as well | 16:10 |
| sdake | pbourke happen to have a link - agai nbookmarks are still busted | 16:11 |
| pbourke | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-N-midcycle-osic | 16:11 |
| inc0 | we need to figure out centos with cobbler tho | 16:11 |
| inc0 | who feels up to it? | 16:11 |
| pbourke | basically I want some more detail under each scenario other than "run rally+tempest" | 16:11 |
| pbourke | inc0: why do we need that | 16:11 |
| sdake | inc0 did the timeframe change on the osic cluser from 4 to 3 weeks? | 16:11 |
| inc0 | pbourke, to test out centos-source and binary as well | 16:12 |
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| sdake | agree centos is good thing to test | 16:12 |
| pbourke | inc0: we cold deploy those on top of ubuntu | 16:12 |
| inc0 | sdake, it did, we still have 3 weeks left | 16:12 |
| inc0 | pbourke, I had problems with centos on top of ubuntu14.04 | 16:12 |
| inc0 | ubuntu 16.04 worked...systemd issues | 16:12 |
| pbourke | ok we can do that | 16:12 |
| inc0 | either way we need systemd-based image there | 16:13 |
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| sdake | ya lets use centos for that | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, what issue when using centos on top of ubuntu 14.04? | 16:13 |
| pbourke | also need more volunteers as a lot who originally volunteered are busy atm | 16:13 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, I couldn't even build it couple months ago | 16:13 |
| sdake | ya we hae gaps in teh us | 16:13 |
| sdake | vhosakot is part of the oslution there | 16:13 |
| inc0 | but we can try to deploy it, just don't want to spend too much time fixing issues from cross-distro | 16:14 |
| berendt | pbourke busy this week, I can try to assist nex week | 16:14 |
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| Jeffrey4l | OK. | 16:14 |
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| janki | pbourke: I can assisst. need a background though | 16:14 |
| sdake | we have more people capacity next week - britthouser is back from pto, and berendt can hep | 16:14 |
| inc0 | janki, we'll talk later on #openstack-kolla | 16:14 |
| janki | inc0: sure | 16:14 |
| sdake | this week is almsot up | 16:15 |
| inc0 | I'll be back from my travels too | 16:15 |
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| berendt | sdake yes, but not as a FTE, only a few hours, business has prio | 16:15 |
| sdake | not sure what can be done this week, othe rthen to bring vhosakot up to speed | 16:15 |
| rhallisey | inc0, was going to try this weekend | 16:15 |
| pbourke | wrt, I just want to know we're in agreement with what we expect to learn from each scenario | 16:15 |
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| sdake | berendt roger | 16:15 |
| inc0 | so let's get done as much as we can now and sprint for next 2 weeks | 16:15 |
| pbourke | for example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352101/9/doc/verification-results-scenario-2-benchmark-boot-and-delete-instances.json | 16:15 |
| vhosakot | sdake: yes, I'll work with inc0 and start with osic scaling | 16:15 |
| pbourke | is this useful to people? | 16:15 |
| sdake | pbourke at this point we are gathering data | 16:15 |
| sdake | tempest output is useful | 16:15 |
| sdake | rally output is useful | 16:15 |
| sdake | characterization is useful | 16:15 |
| inc0 | we can process and filter out data later on | 16:16 |
| coolsvap | pbourke: its just the json | 16:16 |
| inc0 | right now let's gather as much as we can | 16:16 |
| berendt | inc0 +1 | 16:16 |
| sdake | we will conver tthe json to rst later when we dont have the cluster | 16:16 |
| pbourke | i only see nova boot+delete | 16:16 |
| pbourke | there must be more rally can do? | 16:16 |
| coolsvap | I have more results in html format | 16:16 |
| inc0 | pbourke, lot more | 16:16 |
| sdake | pbourke i had that same question | 16:16 |
| sdake | coolsvap lhtml is not useful | 16:16 |
| sdake | we need rst, because rst can convert to any format | 16:16 |
| sdake | html on the other hand, not so much | 16:16 |
| coolsvap | pbourke: rally needs some love | 16:16 |
| sdake | json can convert to rst | 16:17 |
| berendt | where can I find the rally tests used at the moment? | 16:17 |
| sdake | so please fokls when running rally and tempest, output in json | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think we should the raw tempest/rally test result. | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | we can convert it into any format when needed. | 16:17 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l raw format of Rally is JSON | 16:17 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l json will be easier to convert to rst via pandoc | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | tempest is not. | 16:17 |
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| sdake | tempest can output in json | 16:17 |
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| inc0 | so we need to filter out data too, so we'll get the important numbers, too much data is horrible for readibility | 16:18 |
| sdake | the idea is we output in json, and figure out hwo to format it after we lose access to the cluste rresources | 16:18 |
| berendt | Can somebody add the used tests to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352101/ ? | 16:18 |
| berendt | sdake +1 | 16:18 |
| inc0 | +1 berendt , and commands to run them | 16:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | do we have a list of all rally and tempest test that are being run. e.g. is it all the test or just some? | 16:18 |
| inc0 | so we'll have stable testing methodology | 16:18 |
| sdake | back on pbourke 's topic, if rally can do many more tests beyond boot/delete, why aren't we oding those | 16:18 |
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| sdake | i dont nkwo anthing aobut rally | 16:19 |
| sdake | is it a misconfig usse? | 16:19 |
| coolsvap | rally can do a lot more | 16:19 |
| sdake | lets grab as much data as we can | 16:19 |
| sdake | ok so scenario #2 needs to be finished then with prope rally output | 16:19 |
| coolsvap | like I said today, we have ceph but no cinder endpoint | 16:19 |
| berendt | Who will add the rally tests to the review? | 16:20 |
| sdake | will rallly not run without cinder? | 16:20 |
| inc0 | but we do want cinder;) | 16:20 |
| berendt | Rally can be run independent | 16:20 |
| coolsvap | it will not be able to run the nova + cinder scenarios | 16:20 |
| inc0 | coolsvap, let's redeploy ceph+cinder plz | 16:20 |
| sdake | berendt the person doing the tests pulls the review, adds the results, git reviews | 16:20 |
| inc0 | and do full package of scenerios | 16:20 |
| berendt | the results are useless without the used test files | 16:20 |
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| coolsvap | inc0: ack | 16:21 |
| sdake | berendt could you expand - i dont understnad what you mean by used tet files | 16:21 |
| inc0 | will get on that after meeting, I'll make hangouts | 16:21 |
| berendt | rally used test scenario files, those files are missing at the moment | 16:21 |
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| sean-k-mooney | berendt: these files https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/rally-jobs | 16:22 |
| coolsvap | berendt: the files are on available | 16:22 |
| berendt | sean-k-mooney do we not have our own test set? | 16:22 |
| coolsvap | berendt: I am using the sample scenarios and we can expand on that | 16:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | berendt: not that im aware of. | 16:23 |
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| berendt | normally it is required to tweak the parameters because the parameters used in the samples are pretty low | 16:23 |
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| coolsvap | berendt: yes | 16:24 |
| sdake | berendt are you indicating that the defautls in rally are not useful? | 16:24 |
| berendt | e.g. the boot server scenario in nova.yml boots 2 instances, this is pretty useless when working with 130 compute nodes | 16:24 |
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| berendt | sdake they are useful for a devstack environment, not for a big environment | 16:24 |
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| sdake | berendt how big of job is it to crank out a rally parameter list | 16:24 |
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| coolsvap | earlier they were not even getting started, we had an issue with image, now I have started tweaking those and got to the cinder/ceph issue | 16:25 |
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| berendt | sdake I do not know, I think each used test scenario should be checked if it makes sense or not | 16:25 |
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| inc0 | let's put that into review | 16:25 |
| inc0 | I mean list of tests | 16:25 |
| inc0 | and we'll comment on them | 16:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | berendt: there are quite a lot https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/samples/tasks/scenarios | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | we may need: 1) boot 50 vms 2) boot 100vm 3) boot 500 vms | 16:26 |
| sdake | inc0 it s already there | 16:26 |
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| berendt | sean-k-mooney it only about the parameters, they a very low | 16:26 |
| coolsvap | Jeffrey4l: +1 | 16:26 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l good call | 16:26 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, we're looking at 2k+ vm space | 16:26 |
| inc0 | even more | 16:26 |
| sdake | we can specual case the ones that we think are important | 16:26 |
| berendt | we need to boot more than 5k instances on such a big cluster to have a realistic load | 16:26 |
| sdake | but really need someone to do this work - and do it now (as in today) | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | sean-k-mooney, these are still very low and useless. | 16:26 |
| sdake | as it becomes a blcoker | 16:26 |
| inc0 | if we use small flavor we can make a 10k:) | 16:26 |
| sdake | the alternative is to eject rally entirely rom our plans | 16:27 |
| coolsvap | sdake: I can do that | 16:27 |
| coolsvap | can we do the cinder+ ceph later? | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, these's not possible. rabbitmq will crash. boot 500 vms mean boot 500 vms in one time. | 16:27 |
| berendt | sdake no, we should use rally, i think skipping it should not be an option | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | rabbitmq can not support 10k now. | 16:27 |
| sdake | berendt i was presenting two options not one :) | 16:27 |
| berendt | Jeffrey4l this can be defined, you can start 10 instances, 10 instances, and so on, rally is very flexbile | 16:28 |
| inc0 | let's push it to the limit of breaking tho, will be interesting to see | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | berendt, yes it is. | 16:28 |
| sdake | lets push to limits once we get our basics down inc0 | 16:28 |
| pbourke | coolsvap: I can deploy cinder in the morning | 16:28 |
| pbourke | getting rally sorted is the crucial part I think | 16:28 |
| inc0 | pbourke, let's do that | 16:28 |
| sdake | those can be further scenarios we add, if we have time | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | but the really use test is: booting as much as machine in one time. | 16:28 |
| inc0 | you and me deploy cinder and ceph | 16:28 |
| pbourke | inc0: I have only about 35 mins left in my day | 16:28 |
| coolsvap | so I will start the jobs tonight | 16:28 |
| inc0 | should be almost 2 deployments;) | 16:29 |
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| sdake | coolsvap cool - so you take on sorting out a sanitary list of rally scenario tests | 16:29 |
| inc0 | I'll continue if we fail | 16:29 |
| pbourke | inc0: ok | 16:29 |
| coolsvap | sdake: i will do | 16:29 |
| inc0 | btw I'd love to see full time from bare metal to OS | 16:29 |
| sdake | coolsvap need it by tomorrow morning us time so pbourke hsa something to work with | 16:29 |
| pbourke | getting rally documented would be great | 16:29 |
| inc0 | so including kolla host playbook | 16:29 |
| rhallisey | ya that would be cool | 16:29 |
| sdake | inc0 yes that is last up | 16:29 |
| berendt | pbourke I can help with this tomorrow | 16:29 |
| coolsvap | pbourke: ack you will have both | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | we need push the rally test jobs to the PS. we can share them in different test senario | 16:30 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l sounds good | 16:30 |
| sdake | ok anything further ont his topic? | 16:30 |
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| pbourke | I think we're on track :) | 16:32 |
| sdake | sounds good | 16:32 |
| sdake | #topic newton 3 | 16:32 |
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| sdake | A - U - G - U - S - T - 3 - 1 | 16:33 |
| sdake | #link #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-3 | 16:33 |
| sdake | as you can see we hae a bunch of work in progress | 16:33 |
| sdake | anything not in good progress by the 15-20 is getting booted to ocata | 16:33 |
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| sdake | please update blueprints if you feel your work is in good progress | 16:34 |
| sdake | good progress is defined as _will finish by august 31_ | 16:34 |
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| berendt | sdake do we have a list with priorities? | 16:35 |
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| sdake | berendt we do, but my bookmarks are not functional | 16:35 |
| sdake | can omeone link form midcycle? | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-N-midcycle-priority | 16:35 |
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| pbourke | inc0: on topic of newton, can you add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337594/6/ansible/group_vars/all.yml to your long todo list to have another look | 16:36 |
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| pbourke | others are free to review also. that review can close a blueprint quick enough | 16:36 |
| sdake | speaking of reviews | 16:36 |
| sdake | the review queue is long and torturious | 16:37 |
| sdake | lots of 50 file reviews in there | 16:37 |
| sdake | we need to get feedback going on those | 16:37 |
| sdake | so they land for milestone #3 | 16:37 |
| berendt | Can we make a priority list right now? I do not unterstand the linked ehterpad. | 16:37 |
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| sdake | i'd like folks working on osic to split their time between osic and the review queue | 16:37 |
| sdake | berendt - lower the number - higher the priority | 16:38 |
| pbourke | did you guys use some crazy counting again :p | 16:38 |
| sdake | each # represents a vote from a midcycle attenddee | 16:38 |
| berendt | pbourke I think so :) | 16:38 |
| sdake | crazy is my middle name | 16:38 |
| sdake | (actually its charles, but its close) | 16:38 |
| inc0 | pbourke, 9.2;) | 16:38 |
| egonzalez90 | I will focus on reviews | 16:39 |
| sdake | here is the bottom line folks | 16:39 |
| sdake | if we crank out the reviews | 16:39 |
| sdake | and get them all merged | 16:39 |
| sdake | all of our priorities for newton will be met | 16:39 |
| berendt | sdake I want to have a list with concrete and realistic priorities (e.g. first close customisation, then close gnocchi integration, ...) | 16:39 |
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| sdake | but i dont see much review cranking | 16:39 |
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| sdake | berendt - i can help you after meeting parse that file | 16:40 |
| berendt | sdake ok | 16:40 |
| sdake | i dont want to rehash our prioorities in anothe rsession | 16:40 |
| sdake | that culd take hours | 16:40 |
| sdake | it di the last time :) | 16:40 |
| sdake | so please hit the review queue - lets make the code quality good - so that we dont have a bajillion bugs to fix in the rcs | 16:41 |
| sdake | 1-2 hours a day from cor ereviewers should get our review queue under control | 16:41 |
| sdake | 3-4 hours should make it empty | 16:41 |
| sdake | any Q&A? | 16:42 |
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| sdake | #topic kolla-kubernetes | 16:43 |
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| rhallisey | lots of progress on the neutron/nova front | 16:43 |
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| rhallisey | the goal for the community is to put together a demo when that work completes | 16:43 |
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| rhallisey | one of the main issues we're running into is the repo/config split | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | and adding temporary fixes into kolla | 16:44 |
| sdake | rhallisey i hear ya- going to have to wait until milestone #3 + some time after, or hack around it | 16:44 |
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| rhallisey | yup we can bring it up aagain as we get closer to O | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | any other news from the community here? | 16:45 |
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| sdake | say we have a few new cats in the channel | 16:46 |
| sdake | rather meeting | 16:46 |
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| rhallisey | ok, nice job everyone :). Let's keep up the pressure here. The solution we have going at the moment it really god | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | good | 16:46 |
| sdake | if your interestd in getting in on ground floor of a fresh new development effort, kolla-kubernetes is where to make an impact, and i'm sure it will be big | 16:46 |
| berendt | Can we talk about sapcc/openstack-kube? | 16:46 |
| srwilkers | a colleague and i have been looking at the heat kubernetes blueprint, and we think we have a solid understanding of what we need to do. we’re still running into a few issues with the quickstart guide as this is new to us. we’re fairly positive our work shouldnt take long once we resolve that | 16:46 |
| sdake | if your interested in furthering the lead of kolla, kolla-ansible is where to make an impact | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | srwilkers, ok. Ask away in openstack-kolla and we can help | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | berendt, sure | 16:47 |
| berendt | How to proceed with this subject? I actually do not understand the existence of sapcc/openstack-kube. They are using Kolla code and do not mention Kolla, do not provide a LICENSE file, ... | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | there's other implementations out there for kubernetes | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | berendt, it's a specific sap solution | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | kolla-kube is a community for broad deployments | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | it would be awesome if they would like to join the community, but it's up to them | 16:49 |
| inc0 | berendt, so they just shared what they made in house | 16:49 |
| inc0 | we talked with them on summit | 16:49 |
| sdake | yup we are open to a merger of ideas and engineering there | 16:49 |
| sdake | berendt what else did you want to know | 16:49 |
| inc0 | some of ideas we have in kolla-k8s are theirs | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | berendt, ya there are lots of in house deployment of kubernetes out there. It would be nice to merge them into one project in the openstack namespace | 16:50 |
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| berendt | It is fine for me, I just do not understand why they do not support the existing projects. | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | best way to do that is to continue to build community and build the project | 16:50 |
| inc0 | berendt, they started before summit | 16:51 |
| inc0 | so there was no existing project yet | 16:51 |
| sdake | berendt who knows - pepole go their own way for a variety of reasons - we hope to get to a good workign relationship with these folks | 16:51 |
| inc0 | and I can't say they didn't support us:) | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | the first I heard of this was mid February | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | a few weeks after I posted the spec | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | but we were in no shape to start working on it | 16:52 |
| inc0 | imho they shared enough knowledge and ideas that influenced kolla-k8s that they should be listed as co-authors of it;) | 16:52 |
| sdake | yup who knows what the beef was about | 16:52 |
| sdake | we will sort it out | 16:52 |
| sdake | it will take time | 16:53 |
| sdake | and may or may not have a good outcome fo rthe community | 16:53 |
| sdake | (the openstack community) | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | ya we'll see | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | k all set for kolla-kube news | 16:53 |
| sdake | future hard to predict - filled with emotions the future is :) | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | just keep up the good work :) | 16:53 |
| duonghq | I think one of the bigest problems it that they have not had any licensing information. | 16:53 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l https://review.openstack.org/306928 | 16:54 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
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| sdake | Jeffrey4l wan'ted some discussion o nthis | 16:54 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l you hae the floor fine sir | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is a easy. | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is a new feature for kolla configuration file. | 16:54 |
| berendt | duonghq Jup, this should be fixed to avoid legal issues. | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | we talked this before. first found win may be a better solution. | 16:54 |
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| Jeffrey4l | This one need eyes. If we approve it, we can add such kind of feature for other non-ini format configuration file. | 16:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | this will make Kolla more flexible | 16:56 |
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| pbourke | the issue of non-ini config customisation has been around for quite a while | 16:56 |
| pbourke | this is the cleanest implementation I've seen | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes | 16:56 |
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| pbourke | the only issue is if we ship critical fixes in our templates operators using this feature will miss out | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | Just throw this to the meeting. Let's talk the detail in the pS> | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | another one I want to talk is https://review.openstack.org/352089 | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | Jeffrey4l: actully as part of the bifrost work i had to introduce a merge_yaml plugin. | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | sean-k-mooney, that's cool. | 16:58 |
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| Jeffrey4l | first found win can handle these files which hard to merge. | 16:58 |
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| Jeffrey4l | like apache configuration file. | 16:58 |
| berendt | Let's move to #openstack-kolla, we are nearly out of time | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | OK. | 16:59 |
| duonghq | +1 berendt | 16:59 |
| sdake | thanks folks | 16:59 |
| sdake | ew can overflow into #openstack-kolla | 16:59 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 10 16:59:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-08-10-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-08-10-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-08-10-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| HenryG | Anyone around for the neutron-lib meeting? boden? | 17:30 |
| boden | here, but don’t have much | 17:30 |
| HenryG | boden: np, me neither, let's cancel | 17:31 |
| HenryG | next week will also not happen due to mid-cycle | 17:31 |
| boden | maybe I do have 1 Q | 17:32 |
| boden | but we can take it off line | 17:32 |
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