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ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 08:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:01 |
eyalb | hi | 08:01 |
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elisha_r | hi | 08:01 |
ifat_afek | Hi everyone! | 08:02 |
alexey_weyl | :) | 08:02 |
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nbloom | Hi | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | Our agenda today: | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | * Status and Updates | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 08:04 |
ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:04 | |
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ifat_afek | The voting for Barcelona sessions has started! | 08:05 |
ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 08:05 |
ifat_afek | Vitrage submitted 8 sessions | 08:05 |
ifat_afek | Please enter the link, and select "Vitrage" in the search box to get the first 7 sessions. Then, select "RCA" to get the last one | 08:05 |
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ifat_afek | Good luck to us!! | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | Vitrage mascot selection - our list has slightly changed. | 08:06 |
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ifat_afek | Heidi Joy Tretheway, who leads the mascot selection process, said we won't be able to vote for the tree as Senlin are using a forest. I asked her to reconsider it | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | In addition, Telemetry selected a Meerkat, which is a Surricata. I agreed to let them have it. | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | After we lost our two favorite candidates, we thought of adding a Giraffe. It sees everything from above, and its skin can be colored like a Vitrage | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | So our candidates would be: Giraffe, Parrot and Butterfly. If you have other suggestions, maybe we can still add them to the list. Heidi is supposed to close the lists today (for everyone ) and then we should vote | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-mascot | 08:06 |
ifat_afek | Who wants to update? | 08:07 |
nbloom | Hi, I'll update | 08:07 |
nbloom | I'm nearly done with the zabbix datasource notifications, hopefully I'll get it pushed by the end of this day. | 08:08 |
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nbloom | Along with the vitrage part of the code there's also an auxiliary script written which is needed be attached to zabbix as a mediatype, the script is responsible for sending vitrage notifications per zabbix event i.e. trigger value changed from problem to ok and vice versa | 08:10 |
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nbloom | that's it for now.. :) | 08:10 |
ifat_afek | nbloom: and the script should be configured in zabbix? | 08:10 |
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nbloom | yes, along with the script there is also a readme explaining the process of linking the script to zabbix. In addition, there's a similar rst file that will be published with vitrage's docs | 08:11 |
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ifat_afek | nbloom: great, thanks | 08:12 |
ifat_afek | also, please add a blueprint for zabbix notifications datasoruce | 08:12 |
nbloom | sure, will be done today! | 08:12 |
alexey_weyl | I have an update | 08:12 |
alexey_weyl | I am working on Vitrage compitability for liberty cycle | 08:13 |
alexey_weyl | It is almost working, but still have some problem with the change passing the Vitrage tempests, because the keystoneauth1 version is differernt | 08:14 |
alexey_weyl | it is working in the vitrage code, but I still have a problem in the vitrageclient code | 08:14 |
alexey_weyl | need to change there the authentication | 08:14 |
alexey_weyl | Done :) | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | alaxey_weyl: thanks! | 08:15 |
ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:15 |
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ifat_afek | We had one action item from the last meeting: | 08:17 |
ifat_afek | * danoffek add heat blueprint | 08:17 |
ifat_afek | He was unable to join the meeting, but I know that he did add this blueprint | 08:17 |
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elisha_r | I'll go next | 08:18 |
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elisha_r | As part of Zabbix datasource support, there is also an effort (mainly liat and nofar, and hopefully soon myself as well) to add zabbix-based vitrage-templates | 08:20 |
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elisha_r | This raises a general issue we need to address: how do we make vitrage work out-of-the-box for users | 08:21 |
elisha_r | The dilemma is as follows: vitrage templates use the name of the alarm as part of their structure | 08:22 |
elisha_r | but the exact name might change for each user (e.g., a cpu-threshold test can be called "cpu util" "cpu load" etc) | 08:22 |
ifat_afek | elisha_r: so it depends on the zabbix configuration, right? | 08:23 |
elisha_r | I think what we need to do is try and locate *classic* packages for zabbix, nagios, sensu etc., and build template suites for these. That way, people can use Vitrage OOTB by adding these test packages. | 08:24 |
ifat_afek | elisha_r: I agree. At least a naiive user will be able to use the classic zabbix packages and have vitrage configured without extra effort | 08:25 |
ifat_afek | and for more complex use cases there will be a need to copy-paste and modify the templates | 08:25 |
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elisha_r | Even if we do this, though, I think it raises a question of how to store and manage these template suites. We could (1) have them stored as a list of TARs that can be downloaded separately, | 08:26 |
ifat_afek | why not have them in a folder for copy-paste? | 08:27 |
elisha_r | or (2) they could all be installed by default, but then we need to be able to select which is loaded into vitrage, some sort of config file | 08:27 |
elisha_r | we could do copy-paste, but I think configuration is more simple to manage, allowing turning on/off easily | 08:27 |
ifat_afek | regarding [2] - this is in our roadmap. To have a "bank" of templates, and let the user activate or deactivate them. But of course it is much more work to implement | 08:28 |
ifat_afek | So I guess we can start with [1] and improve it in the next versions | 08:28 |
elisha_r | re [2] - I agree, but I think there is room to distinguish between bulk loading and selecting individual tests. | 08:29 |
elisha_r | but of course, we should start with [1] | 08:29 |
elisha_r | A similar issue should be raised regarding support for external datasource "update" functionality | 08:30 |
ifat_afek | what do you mean? | 08:30 |
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elisha_r | for example, for Zabbix support noam (nbloom) wrote a plugin for Zabbix. This is not installed in Vitrage, but in Zabbix, to notify Vitrage of changes. The question is, how to manage these in the code base. For now I think the solution was to have, for each datasource, an "auxiliary" folder to place these, and then have a README/RST to explain where the files should go, how to configure etc. | 08:32 |
ifat_afek | got it. you are right, we need to decide on a consistent way to handle it | 08:32 |
nbloom | I think you're right too | 08:33 |
ifat_afek | cool | 08:33 |
ifat_afek | Any other updates? | 08:33 |
ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:34 |
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ifat_afek | Anything you would like to raise? | 08:34 |
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ifat_afek | I guess we are done for today | 08:36 |
ifat_afek | Goodbye :-) | 08:36 |
elisha_r | bye | 08:36 |
eyalb | bye | 08:36 |
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ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:37 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 08:37:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:37 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-27-08.01.html | 08:37 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-27-08.01.txt | 08:37 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-27-08.01.log.html | 08:37 |
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johnthetubaguy | so its api meeting time | 13:01 |
sdague | o/ | 13:01 |
sdague | who all is here? | 13:02 |
sdague | #startmeeting nova-api | 13:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 13:02:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:02 |
johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI | 13:02 |
gmann_ | o/ | 13:02 |
woodster_ | o/ | 13:03 |
sdague | ok, I'm still catching up on where things stand. Let's do this quickish. | 13:03 |
sdague | #topic API priorities for Newton | 13:03 |
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sdague | #info API proxy deprecation landed as mv 2.236 | 13:03 |
sdague | #info API proxy deprecation landed as mv 2.36 | 13:04 |
gmann_ | great things :) | 13:04 |
johnthetubaguy | 2.236 I thought I was transported to the future for a moment | 13:04 |
sdague | we decided that we'd only land 2 more mv this cycle, get me a network as 2.37, and there is a bug fix for 2.38 that ed was working on | 13:04 |
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sdague | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle @ L393 | 13:05 |
sdague | were all the notes from the mid cycle there | 13:05 |
sdague | I started striking out things that are done | 13:06 |
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sdague | so we also have gmann_'s image ref fix - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338802/ | 13:06 |
sdague | gmann_: is that ready now? | 13:06 |
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johnthetubaguy | its adding a microversion still | 13:07 |
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gmann_ | sdague: yea, i need to update that to make more changes, to remove more stuff on uuid fetch from url | 13:07 |
sdague | ah, ok, we should get rid of that part | 13:07 |
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gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: i removed that but need more changes as we clean up this as bug | 13:07 |
johnthetubaguy | I think just landing the validation is worth while, we can follow up with the other bits | 13:07 |
gmann_ | sdague: johnthetubaguy i will do that on tomorrow. | 13:07 |
sdague | gmann_: sounds good | 13:07 |
gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: ok, i am ok with that way also. | 13:08 |
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gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: or just wait till tomorrow :) | 13:08 |
johnthetubaguy | yup, getting it all tomorrow is cool :) | 13:08 |
sdague | to follow on with the proxy item before, dansmith is working on the novaclient changes for the CLI, the first pass yesterday looked like a reasonable direction | 13:08 |
gmann_ | yea, it will cleanup sample files also | 13:08 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347514/ | 13:08 |
sdague | the last fully uncovered bit for the API this cycle is - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/ | 13:09 |
sdague | which is the user_id policy enforcement | 13:10 |
sdague | jichen had some bug fix code around that early on, I'm hoping we can revive that and run with it. | 13:10 |
gmann_ | sdague: 1 query on that, reboot is with user policy or without? | 13:10 |
sdague | I think we said no | 13:10 |
sdague | yeh, if it's not on that action list, then it's not | 13:10 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/3/specs/newton/approved/user_id_based_policy_enforcement.rst@63 | 13:11 |
gmann_ | sdague: humm but reboot can be destructive sometime when server does not come up on reboot | 13:11 |
sdague | reboot is disruptive, it's not destructive | 13:11 |
sdague | gmann_: so can many other options | 13:11 |
johnthetubaguy | we want to kill this | 13:12 |
sdague | we're not trying to prevent every single way things can go wrong with servers | 13:12 |
sdague | right... this is intentionally not a complete answer | 13:12 |
johnthetubaguy | so I think supporting the minimum level of stuff makes sense here | 13:12 |
sdague | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 13:12 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, sends the right, we are helping while we transition you to something better message | 13:12 |
gmann_ | sdague: yea if all fine but if someone else reboot and something happens wrong then it destruct the other VM | 13:13 |
sdague | gmann_: yep | 13:13 |
johnthetubaguy | thats intentional, its just a loose don't kill me separation | 13:13 |
johnthetubaguy | thing is, we could add reboot later, if that turns out to be the wrong place to put the line, but by that time we have a nice pattern, so it seems a good first stab at doing the minimum | 13:14 |
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sdague | gmann_: the problem with that logic is all of a sudden then you have to start adding back in interface management, security group management, etc | 13:14 |
sdague | because all those things could make a server non responsive | 13:14 |
johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 that list gets very big very quickly | 13:14 |
sdague | and we specifically said, this is not a complete solution | 13:14 |
gmann_ | sdague: ahhh, yea even console etc also | 13:14 |
sdague | because we don't want people using this feature | 13:14 |
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gmann_ | hummm | 13:15 |
johnthetubaguy | I mean just doing it on delete is also another option, but I prefer this slightly more complete list | 13:15 |
sdague | the operators that weighed in on this found this to be enough for their needs | 13:15 |
johnthetubaguy | right, thats the key bit | 13:15 |
johnthetubaguy | the folks who have bit worries felt happy with this list | 13:16 |
gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: sdague i see the point now. | 13:16 |
sdague | so, I think the list of actions is fixed | 13:16 |
sdague | it's just about implementation now | 13:16 |
gmann_ | and if more action on demand we can add later | 13:16 |
sdague | gmann_: right, but we'll push back pretty hard | 13:16 |
gmann_ | yes. | 13:16 |
sdague | because, again, this isn't an operating model we want to support | 13:16 |
gmann_ | sdague: johnthetubaguy cool, Thanks for clarification. | 13:17 |
johnthetubaguy | I have asked the OSIC folks if anyone wants to take this, but I might just leave that for the backport | 13:17 |
sdague | johnthetubaguy: cool | 13:17 |
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sdague | ok | 13:17 |
gmann_ | i can also help | 13:17 |
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gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: you mean backport part can be taken by OSIC folks? | 13:18 |
sdague | gmann_: great, I've got my hands full on a few other things this week, so if you or anyone else can start in on the implementation, that would be great | 13:18 |
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johnthetubaguy | gmann_: possibly, yes, at least I hope so | 13:18 |
gmann_ | sdague: yea, i will start on that. | 13:18 |
sdague | gmann_: thank you | 13:18 |
gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: cool, i will start and then backport can be helped by them | 13:19 |
johnthetubaguy | gmann: sounds good | 13:19 |
sdague | #action gmann_ to start on user_id policy patches | 13:19 |
gmann_ | Thanks | 13:19 |
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sdague | ok, policy in code.... | 13:21 |
sdague | are there any updates or needs there, that one I'm not on top of atm | 13:21 |
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johnthetubaguy | I haven't checked with claudio yet either | 13:22 |
sdague | ok | 13:22 |
johnthetubaguy | I think we agreed baby steps for next cycle, trying out a few existing operations to help the road to unblocking live-resize | 13:22 |
sdague | right, mostly i was wondering if there is anything outstanding for newton we need to land | 13:22 |
johnthetubaguy | there is an entry point from alaski | 13:23 |
johnthetubaguy | and possibly the nova-manage stuff to check against a specific user for their policy | 13:23 |
sdague | ok, do we have patches up? | 13:23 |
johnthetubaguy | there, were just hunting | 13:24 |
johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/discoverable-policy-cli,n,z | 13:24 |
sdague | ok, great | 13:25 |
johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335667/ | 13:25 |
gmann_ | and some cli or tox env to generate the merged policy sample file with default and overridden rules | 13:25 |
gmann_ | i remember we discussing the same in summit | 13:25 |
sdague | #action please review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/discoverable-policy-cli,n,z | 13:25 |
sdague | the last priority is api-ref - which we're now 75% done | 13:25 |
sdague | the plan is to do a final api-ref sprint post freeze | 13:26 |
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sdague | so it doesn't distract during milestone 3 | 13:26 |
gmann_ | +1 | 13:27 |
woodster_ | sdague: so done for Newton RC? | 13:27 |
johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 13:27 |
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sdague | woodster_: yeh, more or less | 13:27 |
sdague | because it's docs from master, it won't really be impacted by the freeze in the same way | 13:27 |
woodster_ | sdague: nice | 13:28 |
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sdague | ok, I think that's about it on priorities | 13:29 |
sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 13:29 |
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sdague | any further topics that people want to discuss? | 13:29 |
gmann_ | 1 i have | 13:30 |
gmann_ | i am doing date-time strict checking in response schema o tempest side | 13:30 |
gmann_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304441/ | 13:30 |
gmann_ | to make sure we use same format for that in all APIs | 13:30 |
gmann_ | but seems like Image API have different format in header | 13:31 |
gmann_ | this failure- http://logs.openstack.org/41/304441/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/ca98815/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 13:31 |
sdague | the real image API, or our proxy? | 13:31 |
gmann_ | ListImageFiltersTestJSON) tests | 13:31 |
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gmann_ | sdague: list image, on nova side i think but need to dig the code | 13:32 |
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gmann_ | should we fix it in those are image API at are deprecated ? | 13:32 |
gmann_ | at> etc | 13:32 |
sdague | gmann_: well, honestly, we should probably make those tempest tests talk directly to glance instead of through Nova | 13:33 |
sdague | I don't think fixing the image proxy is really a thing we should do here | 13:33 |
gmann_ | sdague: yea, that's what my thinking | 13:33 |
sdague | because it's likely to break people that depended on the old format, and it's deprecated | 13:33 |
gmann_ | sdague: yea, we can loosen up the schema for that. | 13:34 |
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gmann_ | sdague: as you pointed, should we change all image API call to glance on tempest ? | 13:35 |
gmann_ | sdague: mean no proxy API use in tempest | 13:35 |
sdague | gmann_: I think long term Tempest needs to stop using proxy API calls | 13:35 |
sdague | because those are actually going away | 13:35 |
sdague | I don't know exactly how long that should be done over | 13:36 |
gmann_ | sdague: humm. | 13:36 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, its a trick one, but we need to move away from them | 13:36 |
mriedem | mtreinish brought up netwon-eol in the ML, but i don't think we want to wait that long | 13:36 |
johnthetubaguy | hmm, true | 13:37 |
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gmann_ | mriedem: ahh, because for stable branch they are not deprectaed? | 13:37 |
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mriedem | gmann_: correct | 13:38 |
johnthetubaguy | I mean folks should have been deploying them for ages, but its not universally true I guess | 13:38 |
mriedem | if tempest.api.compute is calling volume or image proxies, i think that's a no brainer | 13:38 |
mriedem | to switch over | 13:38 |
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mriedem | network gets trickier because nova-network wasn't deprecated until newton | 13:39 |
sdague | mriedem: yeh, mostly image proxy is the one that gets used a lot | 13:39 |
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mriedem | but, i thought the tests in tempest were pretty well conditional on neutron being available or not | 13:39 |
gmann_ | true | 13:39 |
mriedem | i joined late, is there a bug or something? | 13:39 |
sdague | gmann_ was trying to date validation schema in tempest | 13:40 |
gmann_ | mriedem: not for that but we were discussing failure on date-time on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304441/ | 13:40 |
sdague | and the nova images proxy is inconsistent with the rest | 13:40 |
gmann_ | yea | 13:40 |
sdague | and I think, we should leave it as known issue, and just get tempest not using those interfaces | 13:40 |
gmann_ | sdague: +1. | 13:41 |
woodster_ | Makes sense | 13:41 |
mriedem | hmm, we won't detect schema changes in the proxies if we do that, which is probably ok for master, but i worry about stable, | 13:41 |
mriedem | however, | 13:41 |
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mriedem | anything changing the api in stable is rare | 13:41 |
sdague | right | 13:41 |
gmann_ | mriedem: and that proxy API which deprecated and noted as critical bug fix only | 13:42 |
sdague | yeh, I think we're probably safe | 13:42 |
mriedem | gmann_: well it's deprecated as of 2.36 | 13:42 |
mriedem | anyway | 13:42 |
sdague | ok, anything else from folks? | 13:44 |
johnthetubaguy | I am good, making some good progress | 13:44 |
gmann_ | do we need to mention 2.36 on api-ref for proxy API ? | 13:44 |
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gmann_ | or just current warning is ok | 13:44 |
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sdague | gmann_: good point, we should probably update that as well | 13:45 |
mriedem | hmm, 2.36 would be more explicit | 13:45 |
sdague | honestly, I'm not going to fully think about information design on that after the freeze | 13:46 |
mriedem | " Warning These APIs are proxy calls to the Image service. Nova has deprecated all the proxy APIs and users should use the native APIs instead. These will fail with a 404 after microversion 2.35. See: Relevant Image APIs. " | 13:46 |
gmann_ | +1 | 13:46 |
johnthetubaguy | Its tempting to leave all that till the doc sprint, but we do need something like that | 13:46 |
johnthetubaguy | I have a feeling we need some groupings in the doc, to make this all a bit clearer | 13:47 |
gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: i can do quick update on this tomorrow | 13:47 |
mriedem | we have that in the rest api history doc | 13:47 |
gmann_ | probably not leavign till doc sprint | 13:47 |
mriedem | i don't think we need to duplicate the rest api history doc in the api-ref | 13:47 |
sdague | yeh, I think that strategic grouping of things in the api-ref is going to help here | 13:48 |
mriedem | but adding something to the warnigns in the api-ref that these will fail after 2.35 is probably good | 13:48 |
johnthetubaguy | actually, we might, its different readers | 13:48 |
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johnthetubaguy | yeah, that bit | 13:48 |
gmann_ | yea | 13:48 |
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mriedem | i thought we were going to move all of the proxies to the bottom? | 13:48 |
sdague | we did | 13:48 |
gmann_ | mriedem: we did | 13:48 |
mriedem | can we just create a "Deprecated Proxy APIs" section? | 13:48 |
sdague | mriedem: there are many things we could do | 13:48 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats what I am thinking | 13:48 |
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gmann_ | or Deprecated APIs | 13:49 |
johnthetubaguy | but feels like we can doc sprint that, else we will get distracted | 13:49 |
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gmann_ | having all deprecated API | 13:49 |
sdague | however, I think this is going to be a thing that is going to take trying 3 different things, seeing which is clearest | 13:49 |
sdague | and is going to be 2 dedicated weeks of trying and getting opinions | 13:49 |
sdague | which... we should do after freeze | 13:49 |
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sdague | my experience on the api-ref things is the idea you have in advance, turns out to be completely confusing when you see it on the screen | 13:50 |
sdague | so you try a few things, and stare at them all | 13:50 |
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sdague | ok, anything else? | 13:52 |
sdague | if not, lets get back to work :) | 13:52 |
sdague | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 13:52:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-07-27-13.02.html | 13:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-07-27-13.02.txt | 13:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-07-27-13.02.log.html | 13:52 |
gmann_ | Thanks all | 13:53 |
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jed56 | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 14:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jed56. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
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jed56 | hi everybody | 14:01 |
vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:01 |
jed56 | woah | 14:01 |
jed56 | many peoples! | 14:03 |
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jed56 | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F06.2F2016 | 14:03 |
jed56 | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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vincentfrancoise | seems like everyone is on holiday :) | 14:03 |
jed56 | #info our talks are open to votes | 14:03 |
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jed56 | We submitted 6 talks, this is great ! | 14:04 |
hvprash | Hi | 14:04 |
jwcroppe | Hi | 14:04 |
gzhai-mobl | hi | 14:04 |
jed56 | This is the list of presentations | 14:04 |
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jed56 | Watcher, the Infrastructure Optimization service for OpenStack: Plans for the O-release and beyond with Susanne Balle, Charlotte, Taylor Peoples | 14:04 |
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sballe_ | Hi | 14:04 |
jed56 | Optimizing Cloud Resources leveraging OpenStack Watcher with Prashanth Hari | 14:04 |
jed56 | Susanne Balle, Sameer Adhikari | 14:04 |
jwcroppe | o/ | 14:04 |
jed56 | Automatic network efficiency adjustment to optimize power saving | 14:04 |
jed56 | David Slama,Tal Anker, Joe Cropper | 14:04 |
jed56 | Installing Watcher and demo of a Watcher optimization with Vincent francoise, David TARDIVEL Gang Zhai | 14:04 |
jed56 | Towards to an Intelligent Cloud Gang Zhai, Susanne Balle | 14:05 |
jed56 | Balance workloads for optimal performance with Watcher Vincent Mahe, Ananth Narayan Sankaranarayanan | 14:05 |
jed56 | so please vote for us ;) | 14:05 |
jed56 | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/15931/?q=Watcher | 14:05 |
sballe_ | +1 | 14:05 |
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jed56 | #info The mascot for watcher is a jellyfish (mid-cycle) | 14:06 |
jed56 | The watcher mid-cycle was a great meeting, thanks everybody ! | 14:06 |
sballe_ | Is that settled ? The jellyfish | 14:07 |
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sballe_ | We gave them 3 proposals | 14:07 |
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jed56 | I'm not sure | 14:07 |
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jed56 | this is the winner of our pool | 14:07 |
jed56 | poll | 14:07 |
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jed56 | we will need to wait acabot to have this information | 14:08 |
sballe_ | Yeah I hope for the jelly fish | 14:08 |
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michaelgugino | hello all | 14:08 |
jed56 | The etherpad of the meeting is available here : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:08 |
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jwcroppe | jellyfish ... +100000 :) | 14:09 |
sballe_ | Lol | 14:09 |
jed56 | jwcroppe: ;-) | 14:09 |
hvprash | :) | 14:09 |
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jed56 | jwcroppe: :) | 14:09 |
jed56 | jwcroppe: can you share with us your meeting with nova | 14:10 |
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jwcroppe | yes, there was a lot of discussion on the watcher use cases | 14:10 |
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jwcroppe | jaypipes was in favor of opening up a placement API that would, given an instance ID, would return the resource providers (from which you could determine the hosts) that satisfied the request spec | 14:11 |
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jed56 | jwcroppe: every possible hosts ? | 14:12 |
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jwcroppe | yes (possibly there could be some item to pass in that would limit the # of return results) | 14:12 |
jed56 | ok | 14:12 |
jwcroppe | but there were also some others that had other ideas of having nova support a general weighing function... | 14:12 |
jwcroppe | and then the nova placement API would just return the top-ranked one that satisfied the request spec | 14:13 |
jed56 | do you know how nova will decided to rank the list ? | 14:13 |
jwcroppe | but... there was concern that having external parties (e.g., Watcher) having to constantly update the weights for the resources would overwhelm the placement API | 14:13 |
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jwcroppe | So those were essentially the two ideas - I think more discussion is needed to reach consensus | 14:14 |
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jed56 | what are the next actions ? do we need to write a backlog spec ? | 14:15 |
jwcroppe | not yet, I want to talk with Jay a bit more... | 14:17 |
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jed56 | #action jwcroppe talk to Jay Pipes | 14:17 |
jed56 | :) | 14:17 |
jwcroppe | the problem is understood and there are two very different ideas about how to solve the prob | 14:17 |
vincentfrancoise | at least that's a start :) | 14:18 |
jwcroppe | and the new placement APIs they're discussing are still to-be-created as well (maybe edleafe can tell us more about those) | 14:18 |
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jed56 | edleafe: are you here ? :) | 14:19 |
jed56 | ok let's continue | 14:19 |
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jed56 | #action jwcroppe jed56 talk to edleafe Placement APIs nova | 14:20 |
jed56 | vincentfrancoise: yes this is the first step | 14:21 |
jed56 | quick update regarding newton-3 | 14:21 |
jed56 | #info : 8 BPs en 12 bugs are targeted for newton-3 | 14:21 |
jed56 | this is great | 14:21 |
jed56 | https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:21 |
jed56 | any other announcement ? | 14:22 |
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jed56 | #topic Review Action Items | 14:23 |
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jed56 | The spec “Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center” need to be merged as soon as possible because the development will start soon. | 14:24 |
jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:24 |
sballe_ | Ok I will review | 14:24 |
jed56 | #action sballe_ jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:24 |
hvprash | +1 | 14:24 |
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jed56 | The update define-the-audit-scope (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339456/) spec need to be overhaul | 14:26 |
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jed56 | We will only need to filter by AvaibilityZone and aggregatehost | 14:27 |
jwcroppe | I'm also working on the limit-concurrent-actions spec and will have it ready by Fri | 14:27 |
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jed56 | #action alexchadin "define-the-audit-scope" aggregatehost and avaibilityzone | 14:27 |
jed56 | jwcroppe: cool | 14:28 |
jed56 | jwcroppe: do you know that this is not possible for now in watcher to have concurrent actions ? | 14:28 |
jed56 | we need to implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/planner-storage-action-plan | 14:28 |
jed56 | first | 14:28 |
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jwcroppe | ok, we can keep as a backlog spec if we need as well | 14:29 |
jed56 | yes ! jinquan want to work this blueprint | 14:29 |
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jed56 | on | 14:29 |
sballe_ | Cool | 14:30 |
jwcroppe | I'll still write up the spec for limit-concurrent-actions | 14:30 |
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jed56 | jwcroppe: yes this is important feature for watcher | 14:30 |
jed56 | jwcroppe: can you create a blueprint ? | 14:30 |
jwcroppe | I did | 14:30 |
jwcroppe | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/limit-concurrent-actions | 14:30 |
jed56 | #action jwcroppe create a blueprint regarding limit-concurrent-actions | 14:30 |
jed56 | sorrry :) | 14:31 |
jwcroppe | no prob :) | 14:31 |
jed56 | the spec "automatic triggering audit" => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ need a new patchset | 14:31 |
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jed56 | #action diga update the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 14:32 |
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jed56 | so now, watcher | 14:32 |
jed56 | I would like that the 'cluster-model-objects-wrapper ' and 'scoring-module' blueprints to be merged before the 3 of august. | 14:33 |
jed56 | The cluster-model-objects-wrapper blueprint is on the critical path for 'graph-based-cluster-model' blueprint. | 14:33 |
jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:33 |
jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module | 14:33 |
jed56 | Who could take some time to look at that in priority, please ? | 14:33 |
hvprash | jed56, i can take a look | 14:34 |
sballe_ | I can look to | 14:34 |
hanrong1 | +1 | 14:34 |
jed56 | #action sballe_ hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module | 14:34 |
danpawlik | +1 | 14:34 |
sballe_ | I have some time now because I go on vacation Fri | 14:35 |
jed56 | #action danpawlik hanrong1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:35 |
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jed56 | thanks a lot | 14:35 |
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hanrong1 | ok | 14:35 |
vincentfrancoise | I need to rebase cluster-model-objects-wrapper <https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper> due to the recent merges but please do review it :) | 14:36 |
jed56 | Add goal_id, strategy_id and host_aggregate CLI options to audit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332982/ need a new patchset | 14:37 |
hvprash | jed56, working on it today | 14:37 |
jed56 | hvprash: super! | 14:37 |
hvprash | there is one unit test i missed and will add to the PS | 14:37 |
vincentfrancoise | good :) | 14:38 |
hvprash | there is also the changes which michaelgugino is working https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ | 14:38 |
jed56 | #action hvprash push a new patchset 332982 | 14:38 |
sballe_ | I can review | 14:38 |
hvprash | which is critical | 14:38 |
hvprash | thx | 14:38 |
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jed56 | okay | 14:38 |
gzhai-mobl | i can revie | 14:39 |
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sballe_ | gzhai-mobl: cool | 14:39 |
jed56 | #action gzhai-mobl review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:39 |
gzhai-mobl | w | 14:39 |
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jed56 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ Implement goal_id, strategy_id and host_aggregate into Audit api need a new patchset | 14:40 |
jed56 | this is almost finish | 14:40 |
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jed56 | michaelgugino: do you think that you will have time to work on it ? | 14:41 |
hvprash | yes | 14:41 |
jed56 | okay great | 14:41 |
jed56 | #action michaelgugino push a new patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ | 14:41 |
michaelgugino | yes, I'm working on it. I will continue to make changes based on people's reviews | 14:41 |
jed56 | michaelgugino: thanks a lot | 14:41 |
hvprash | thx michaelgugino | 14:41 |
michaelgugino | yw | 14:41 |
vincentfrancoise | michaelgugino: do you have a devstack to make sure the integration tests are passing ? | 14:42 |
michaelgugino | not at the moment, I will build one today. | 14:43 |
hvprash | i tested the cli options against the api changes michaelgugino is working and works as expected | 14:43 |
vincentfrancoise | michaelgugino: ok cool :) | 14:43 |
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jed56 | Add rally-jobs folder to get rally support(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/) patchset need a status | 14:44 |
jed56 | #action alexchadin can you give a us a feedback regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/ ? | 14:44 |
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jed56 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345214/ need a new patchset | 14:45 |
jed56 | #action vincentfrancoise rebase 345214 | 14:46 |
jed56 | sballe_: do you know if junjie.huang plan to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342594/ ? | 14:46 |
sballe_ | Not sure I thought we decided not to move forward with it for now | 14:47 |
sballe_ | Is this the airflow one? | 14:47 |
gzhai-mobl | i will ping him | 14:47 |
sballe_ | Ok | 14:47 |
sballe_ | Thx | 14:47 |
jed56 | #action gzhai-mobl contact junjie.huang in order to have status on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342594/ | 14:48 |
gzhai-mobl | he is waiting for the ci error got fixed | 14:48 |
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sballe_ | Ok so junjie will finish it? | 14:48 |
sballe_ | gzhai-mobl: ^^^ | 14:49 |
jed56 | what is the problem with the CI ? | 14:49 |
gzhai-mobl | should do | 14:49 |
sballe_ | ok thx | 14:49 |
jed56 | IMHO, this is not a CI problem | 14:49 |
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gzhai-mobl | some generic error tha | 14:49 |
gzhai-mobl | t time | 14:50 |
jed56 | gzhai-mobl: can you rebase the code of junjie ? | 14:50 |
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jed56 | #action gzhai-mobl rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342594 | 14:51 |
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gzhai-mobl | i will ask him | 14:51 |
sballe_ | jed56: I ll follow up with junjie as well | 14:51 |
jed56 | okay | 14:52 |
jed56 | #action sballe_ follow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342594 | 14:52 |
jed56 | #topic Blueprint/Bug | 14:52 |
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jed56 | Many bugs have been merged in newton-2 thanks to everybody! | 14:53 |
sballe_ | Cool | 14:53 |
jed56 | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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jed56 | some body want to discuss something ? :) | 14:53 |
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hvprash | would like to start planning for the workload qos. sballe_ do you have sometime before vacation ? | 14:54 |
sballe_ | Yes let's talk today or tomorrow | 14:54 |
hvprash | cool, thx | 14:54 |
sballe_ | Plus I can IRC while on vacation since you are on the east coast | 14:54 |
sballe_ | Only 6 hrs difference | 14:55 |
hvprash | that works too ! but don't want to bother while you are in vacation :) | 14:55 |
jed56 | #action sballe_ hvprash start planning for the workload qos | 14:55 |
sballe_ | hvprash: no worries | 14:55 |
jed56 | Can I close the meeting ? | 14:56 |
vincentfrancoise | I guess so :) | 14:57 |
hvprash | sure :) | 14:57 |
gzhai-mobl | bye | 14:57 |
hvprash | thx jed56 | 14:57 |
jed56 | thanks everybody have a nice week ! | 14:57 |
vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:57 |
jed56 | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 14:57:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-07-27-14.00.html | 14:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-07-27-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
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serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 15:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:00 |
serverascode | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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serverascode | hi, anyone here for the ops telecom/nfv meeting? :) | 15:00 |
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ulik | #info uli | 15:01 |
serverascode | hi ulik | 15:01 |
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ulik | Hi | 15:01 |
serverascode | we'll give it a couple min to see if anyone else shows up | 15:02 |
ulik | ok | 15:02 |
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ulik | I have another meeting in parallel, so I hope my replies will not be too slow... | 15:03 |
serverascode | ok no worries | 15:03 |
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serverascode | anyone else lurking around for this meeting? | 15:05 |
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wznoinsk | hi | 15:05 |
serverascode | hi wznoinsk :) | 15:06 |
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wznoinsk | I'm only passing by... I'm a dev/CI ops here at Intel, what's the main goal of the WG? | 15:06 |
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serverascode | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops-telecom-nfv | 15:06 |
serverascode | I started to put together the wiki page | 15:07 |
serverascode | we have been working on a mission statement | 15:07 |
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serverascode | it's still early in the groups formation though | 15:07 |
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serverascode | but in general, we're here to help openstack operators who are running telelcom/NFV related clouds | 15:07 |
wznoinsk | ok, is ops and wg in the name you'll be limiting your work to less development, more benchmarking, stress testing etc? | 15:08 |
serverascode | yeah, likely not much development work, other than perhaps commiting operational tools to osops | 15:08 |
serverascode | #topic general info | 15:09 |
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serverascode | I'm just going to do a bit of general info regarding the last couple weeks, then move on to open discussion | 15:09 |
serverascode | INFO: A wiki page has been created | 15:10 |
serverascode | #info a wiki page has been created https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops-telecom-nfv | 15:10 |
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ulik | Maybe we can link from the wiki also to the opnfv wiki on openstack relation | 15:11 |
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serverascode | #info It seems like we will be a functional team under the user commitee http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-July/001144.html | 15:11 |
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serverascode | I'm still working on figuring out what the user committee process is, but the above email seems a good sign | 15:11 |
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serverascode | ulik: ok I can add that | 15:12 |
serverascode | #info We have a page for mid to long term project ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telecom-nfv-project-ideas | 15:12 |
ulik | I was getting the #link.... https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/COM/OpenStack | 15:12 |
serverascode | #info openstack ops midcycle is in NYC at the tail end of august https://opsmidcyclenyc2016.eventbrite.com | 15:13 |
ulik | I have a question to the wording "project ideas" | 15:13 |
ulik | What kind of project ideas do you think of? | 15:13 |
serverascode | well, I'm modelling it off of the large deployments team | 15:14 |
serverascode | essentially they pick a project to work on over a certain period of time | 15:14 |
serverascode | something they can shepherd through the openstack ecosystem | 15:14 |
serverascode | for example they worked on the "just get me a network" idea | 15:14 |
serverascode | and now changes have been made in neutron to allow that concept | 15:15 |
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ulik | Could a requirement / use case be a project in that way? | 15:15 |
serverascode | yeah for sure | 15:15 |
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ulik | So we could pick one of the OPNFV requirements that don't yet progress and try to do such a project from it? | 15:16 |
serverascode | yup | 15:16 |
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serverascode | if you have any projects or requirements, just put them into that page and we can figure out which one we'd like to work on over a mid to long term timeframe | 15:17 |
ulik | So some options would be on the https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/COM/OpenStack already listed. We need to pick one - one where there is no BP yet. | 15:18 |
ulik | I need to check.... | 15:18 |
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serverascode | #topic open discussion | 15:20 |
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serverascode | given there is only 3 of us today, I'll put it into open discussion now :) | 15:20 |
wznoinsk | 1. a nit, is it telco not telecom now? | 15:20 |
ulik | you said in beginning: | 15:20 |
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serverascode | wznoinsk: I was asked by the foundation to use telecom, but it's not reflected everywhere yet | 15:22 |
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serverascode | so we started out with telco and are now working to change it to telecom | 15:22 |
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serverascode | also we started out using the term "working group" but I believe we are actually a "functional team" | 15:22 |
serverascode | so there is some naming to fix :) | 15:22 |
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wznoinsk | 2. what's the difference between this and TelcoWG which I think was quite close to ProductWG as well? | 15:23 |
serverascode | right, good question | 15:23 |
serverascode | this is an openstack operators group | 15:23 |
serverascode | so it's specifically for people who run openstack clouds, be it in test or production | 15:24 |
serverascode | the telcowg, as far as I know, mostly around defining telecom/NFV user stories | 15:24 |
ulik | you said "we're here to help openstack operators who are running telelcom/NFV related clouds". Do you know such ops? | 15:24 |
wznoinsk | if you're only operators (hence no core developers/reviewers) the only way to influence the projects roadmap is thru TC/UC right? | 15:25 |
serverascode | ulik: I am myself one of those, and I know a couple others. I believe there will be a session at the NYC meetup with some telecom ops, I hope anyways | 15:25 |
wznoinsk | serverascode: telcoWG to define user stories and help to drive them thru OS AFAIK, this groups is kind of same (or I'm missing some subtle differences) | 15:26 |
ulik | I think the telcoWG is rather dormant | 15:26 |
serverascode | wznoinsk: yeah I think it might be subtle differences | 15:26 |
serverascode | the telcowg actually felt they completed their goals and closed the wg | 15:27 |
wznoinsk | ulik: possibly | 15:27 |
serverascode | technically wgs are supposed to be short term things | 15:27 |
ulik | so it is not dormant but terminated? | 15:27 |
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serverascode | I believe so yup | 15:27 |
serverascode | #link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit | 15:28 |
serverascode | we looked at that doc last meeting, but it defines a few things like working groups, functional teams, etc | 15:28 |
wznoinsk | serverascode: yes technically WG wouldn't be a Project Team or a project Team but some 'temporary' solutions are the most permanent ones :-) http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/ | 15:29 |
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serverascode | for sure | 15:29 |
serverascode | basically as someone who operates telecom/nfv clouds I'm just kinda looking to find some peers to discuss things with :) | 15:30 |
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serverascode | maybe do some cool stuff | 15:30 |
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serverascode | no more no less :) | 15:30 |
serverascode | any other thoughts/questions/comments? | 15:31 |
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wznoinsk | sure, if you can get enough of ops and their properly defined use cases and wishlists that could be even more - i.e.: NFV flavor of ProductWG? | 15:31 |
ulik | OK. So you expect some discussion topics coming from those ops? | 15:31 |
ulik | would be great! | 15:31 |
serverascode | I hope so | 15:32 |
ulik | Do you have a personal wish list? | 15:32 |
serverascode | I did put a couple of items into that page | 15:32 |
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serverascode | first, celiometer scaling | 15:32 |
serverascode | second, perhaps programmable provider netowrks | 15:32 |
serverascode | which is a OPNFV netready related item | 15:32 |
serverascode | those were my only two idesa | 15:32 |
serverascode | *ideas | 15:33 |
serverascode | so far | 15:33 |
wznoinsk | bear in mind you'd need a proper backing of the ideas (ideally with numbers, company names) for TC/UC to take them into consideration into main upstream | 15:33 |
serverascode | wznoinsk: right. I definitely suggest looking at what the large deployments team did around "just get me a network" | 15:33 |
serverascode | they did manage to shepherd some changes over time | 15:34 |
wznoinsk | if you could have a kind of polling/voting system from ops, kind of survey maybe to show interest and ideas that could make ops voice heard better | 15:34 |
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serverascode | ok, interesting idea | 15:34 |
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wznoinsk | I mean, you need companies, customers, numbers speak for themselves before UC/TC will trust in this team's own suggestions/opinions | 15:35 |
serverascode | #idea some kind of polling or voting system for telecom/nfv openstack ops | 15:35 |
ulik | I think some of those ideas can also have some push by OPNFV. | 15:36 |
serverascode | I don't think uc or tc approval is required for everything though, there are lots of ways to affect change in openstack | 15:36 |
ulik | Yes. OPNFV in some cases came with developers who did the work. | 15:37 |
ulik | but when we didn't have those, it just needed waiting... | 15:38 |
serverascode | sometimes all it takes is showing up at a midcycle :) | 15:38 |
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ulik | I've not been at a midcycle yet. | 15:38 |
serverascode | most projects in openstack have a midcycle event | 15:39 |
ulik | I think I will ask some of our OPNFV guys who had pushed things whether they have done that via midcycles. | 15:39 |
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serverascode | ok anything else? | 15:41 |
serverascode | oh I should mention openstack east is in NYC also, just before the ops meetup | 15:41 |
serverascode | #link http://www.openstackeast.com/ | 15:41 |
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serverascode | #link https://opsmidcyclenyc2016.eventbrite.com | 15:41 |
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serverascode | also the OPNFV hackfest is in Toronto just before the ops meetup | 15:42 |
ulik | can you help my ignorance and point me to every info about the ops meetup? | 15:42 |
serverascode | I'm planning on going to that on my way to NYC | 15:42 |
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serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 15:42 |
ulik | .. or necessary midcycle | 15:43 |
serverascode | ^^ that's the scheduling brainstorm page | 15:43 |
serverascode | that's about all I have, the event registration page and the etherpad schedule brainstorm | 15:43 |
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ulik | midcycles are per project, right? Are they all in one place? | 15:44 |
serverascode | right, typically per project | 15:44 |
serverascode | they are self-organized by the team and can be anywhere | 15:44 |
serverascode | some have remote capabilities, most don't | 15:44 |
serverascode | I don't think they are usually co-located with other midcycles | 15:45 |
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wznoinsk | I won't be able to attend midcycle(s) but I'll be tuning into this WG, mainly to hear what ops/users want to see to be tested around NFV features (if Intel NFV CI doesn't cover it yet) :-) | 15:47 |
ulik | ok. I am getting a better picture. Thanks | 15:48 |
serverascode | ulik: if you are on the openstack ops mailing list there have been a couple of emails on it | 15:48 |
serverascode | but they mostly just point to the links I entered here | 15:49 |
serverascode | wznoinsk: cool, thanks. Is there a page that describes a bit about hte intel nfv ci? | 15:49 |
ulik | I was not reading the mails without the telecomnfv tag. | 15:49 |
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serverascode | ok, well unless there is anything else, I will prob end the meeting | 15:51 |
serverascode | thanks wznoinsk and ulik for coming by :) much appreciated | 15:51 |
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serverascode | ulik if you have any other questions on the ops midcycle just let me know | 15:52 |
ulik | I got good input for the next 2 weeks untill the next one.... | 15:52 |
serverascode | awesome :) | 15:52 |
serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 15:52:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
ulik | Thanks for that! | 15:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-27-15.00.html | 15:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-27-15.00.txt | 15:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-27-15.00.log.html | 15:52 |
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sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 16:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
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coolsvap | o/ | 16:00 |
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akwasnie | hi all :) | 16:00 |
duonghq | o/ | 16:00 |
sdake | o/ | 16:00 |
inc0 | o/ | 16:00 |
rhallisey | hi | 16:00 |
hrito | o/ | 16:01 |
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srwilkers_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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sdake | notice some fresh faces - welcome duonghq hrito srwilkers_ | 16:02 |
lrensing_ | o/ | 16:02 |
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wirehead_ | o/ | 16:02 |
srwilkers_ | thanks :D | 16:02 |
duonghq | nice to see you | 16:02 |
sdake | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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sdake | Heidi was kind enough to make a video of the mascot selection process | 16:03 |
sdake | https://zoom.us/recording/play/Adnpi67_uwd1qw3GZsD_CTvXj0hjSPQd48dHRxvCR9IWKzyT-bjFnIW7BtZYZUKo | 16:03 |
sdake | when someone has finished the video let me know pls :) | 16:04 |
rhallisey | we won :) | 16:04 |
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rhallisey | spoiler | 16:05 |
Daviey | Sorry, i'm late chaps. | 16:05 |
inc0 | yay | 16:05 |
inc0 | so no more honey badger? | 16:05 |
sdake | inc0 the bloodshot koalla bear with glue involved is off the table :) | 16:05 |
inc0 | so I was thinking | 16:05 |
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inc0 | koala bear gluing openstack squarey logos witha glue | 16:06 |
inc0 | no sniffing | 16:06 |
sdake | thats the only announcement i have - anyone from community have anything? | 16:06 |
Daviey | kolla bear is what i always think of... but to bring inc0's idea in, it should be sniffing glue | 16:06 |
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inc0 | :D | 16:06 |
srwilkers_ | +1 | 16:07 |
inc0 | it is a junky animal anyway | 16:07 |
sdake | fwiw we dont have input into the mascot creation process | 16:07 |
inc0 | anyway, let's call it our secret mascot | 16:07 |
inc0 | duh | 16:07 |
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wirehead_ | Drop bears. | 16:07 |
sdake | ;) | 16:07 |
rhallisey | honey badger | 16:08 |
inc0 | narwhal | 16:08 |
sdake | #topic newton-3 | 16:08 |
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wirehead_ | A drop bear sniffing glue is all things to all people. At least all of the people who count. | 16:08 |
sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-3 | 16:08 |
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sdake | we have a whole lot of stuff planned for milestone 3 | 16:09 |
sdake | it seems unreasonable to think we will finish all of that work | 16:09 |
sdake | milestone 3 will be a feature freeze | 16:10 |
sdake | versus past releases where we put features in the rcs | 16:10 |
sdake | we wont be doing that at all this cycle | 16:10 |
coolsvap | yes we have many bugs which are either not updated or not valid anymore | 16:10 |
sdake | because we applied for stable:follows-policy | 16:10 |
sdake | coolsvap at this point i'm more concerned about the features landing in m3 then fixing bugs | 16:11 |
coolsvap | and i think 10+ bugs targeted as a result of docimpact | 16:11 |
coolsvap | sdake: agree | 16:11 |
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sdake | the problem with that view is people look at it, go "too much" and feel overwhelemd and don't know where to start | 16:11 |
sdake | in past cycles 2 weeks before milestone 3, we cut all the features that were not in good progress or better | 16:12 |
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sdake | (liberty/newton) | 16:12 |
sdake | liberty/mitaka I mean | 16:12 |
sdake | i htink we should stick to that | 16:12 |
sdake | any objections? | 16:12 |
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sdake | ok well i dont see any alternative anyway so objections probably8 don't matter :) | 16:13 |
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sdake | anyone willing to tackle some of the bug triage? | 16:14 |
coolsvap | I am | 16:14 |
sdake | cool | 16:15 |
sdake | yo udont have to do it all | 16:15 |
sdake | but any way you can help is appreciated | 16:15 |
coolsvap | :) | 16:15 |
sdake | #topic customization of dockerfiles | 16:15 |
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sdake | inc0 did you add this to the agenda? | 16:15 |
inc0 | that's old agenda | 16:16 |
sdake | no its definately new | 16:16 |
inc0 | but, patchsets are there | 16:16 |
sdake | ya lets discuss that | 16:16 |
inc0 | I'll review them all today | 16:16 |
sdake | about half the customization patches are in the queue | 16:16 |
inc0 | also I'll work on customization of base, it's by far hardest | 16:16 |
sdake | i'd like an ack from inc0 on each of em if he can commit to that | 16:17 |
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sdake | inc0 is that possible or too much? | 16:17 |
inc0 | possible, will do | 16:17 |
sdake | cool | 16:17 |
sdake | I just want to make sure they are precisely correct | 16:17 |
sdake | since if we break this now, it not super ideal :) | 16:17 |
sdake | #topic repo split | 16:18 |
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sdake | ryan's vote expired today without consensus | 16:18 |
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sdake | that siad, I think we should try voting again on this point | 16:18 |
sdake | maybe the core team was AFK | 16:18 |
sdake | its summer time | 16:19 |
sdake | lots of PTO and whatnot | 16:19 |
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sdake | rhallisey you mind shooting out a new voting email in 1-2 weeks? | 16:19 |
rhallisey | ya will do | 16:19 |
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sdake | probably right now is not the right time | 16:19 |
rhallisey | just keep an eye out for that everyone | 16:19 |
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sdake | because we are still testing the backportss review policy | 16:19 |
rhallisey | roger | 16:20 |
sdake | i think the backports review policy seems to be working | 16:20 |
coolsvap | I am not still not sure about my views about it | 16:20 |
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sdake | coolsvap I htink that will factor into everyone's voting | 16:20 |
coolsvap | but lets revisit it in couple of weeks | 16:20 |
sdake | #topic kolla-kubernetes | 16:21 |
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rhallisey | ya we can debate further on the ML | 16:21 |
sdake | rhallisey have an update for us? | 16:21 |
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rhallisey | so still blocked on the api_interface patches | 16:22 |
sdake | that was my fault right | 16:22 |
rhallisey | I mean you raised a good point | 16:22 |
rhallisey | but I don't think we should fully address the config issue now | 16:22 |
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rhallisey | because of the repo split/config split | 16:22 |
sdake | can you commit to the following | 16:22 |
wirehead_ | I think we need to accept that we're looking for the "right now, so that Kolla-kubernetes doesn't have a giant pile of carried patches" solution. | 16:22 |
wirehead_ | Instead of the "end" solution. | 16:23 |
rhallisey | ^ yes | 16:23 |
rhallisey | that's my point | 16:23 |
wirehead_ | The reviews have been fixating on the end solution. | 16:23 |
sdake | "I wont add any new variables to globals.yml after this variable"? | 16:23 |
sdake | rhallisey see above question can yo ucommit ^^ | 16:23 |
rhallisey | before the config split, it's unlikely | 16:23 |
sdake | no i mean before milestone3 | 16:24 |
rhallisey | before m3 no | 16:24 |
wirehead_ | So, if you look at my Nova patch, you'll see all of the variables we're altering and adding to get things going. | 16:24 |
sdake | ok well i'll change my vote to unblock things | 16:24 |
sdake | wirehead_ the issue is putting things in globals.yml is permanentn | 16:24 |
sdake | wirehead_ because of how openstack deprecation policies work | 16:24 |
sdake | if we do rework on globls.yml its a huge pita | 16:25 |
sdake | that was the basis of my complaint on ryan's patch | 16:25 |
sdake | i haven't seen your nova patch | 16:25 |
sdake | here we are making a semi-permanent compromise to unblock your work | 16:26 |
sdake | that we can possibly undo later | 16:26 |
sdake | but if 5 variables needed in globals.yml - thats a whole nother world of pain :) | 16:26 |
wirehead_ | Well, the way that we're progressing forwards right now is that Kolla-kubernetes requires you to add stuff to globals.yml. | 16:27 |
sdake | wirehead_ mind linking your review for after meeting to see what the issue is | 16:27 |
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wirehead_ | We're OK with kolla-kubernetes users needing to paste some lines into globals.yml and Kolla users having an unmodified globals.yml file? | 16:27 |
sdake | wirehead_ ok i get that part - but ryan's addition was a nonessential variable | 16:27 |
sdake | wirehead_ ya actually thats a fantastic solution | 16:28 |
wirehead_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347572/ | 16:28 |
sdake | kolla-kubernetes is on a release:cycle_independent model | 16:28 |
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rhallisey | sdake, if that's the case we can remove the global var | 16:28 |
rhallisey | but the j2 login underneath will need to stay | 16:29 |
sdake | which means if we dont polute the globals.yml namespace, no harm is done to kolla-ansible | 16:29 |
wirehead_ | Yeah. | 16:29 |
wirehead_ | We can do that for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327925/ | 16:29 |
sdake | j2 login | 16:29 |
wirehead_ | j2 logic | 16:29 |
sdake | i'll have a look after meeting | 16:29 |
rhallisey | logic | 16:29 |
sdake | thanks wirehead for solving that problem :) | 16:30 |
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wirehead_ | Oh, and Nova's control plane is starting to work as a Kube service. :) | 16:30 |
sdake | wirehead_ anything that I can do to help communicate that idea? | 16:30 |
sdake | nice :) | 16:31 |
rhallisey | wirehead_, nice | 16:31 |
wirehead_ | sdake: Might be worth it to just post an official summary of what needs to change with that patch for it to get +2'd | 16:31 |
sdake | wirehead_ that would be atypical, but I think an email explaining how we are relaxing reviews aroudn kolla-kubernetes | 16:31 |
sdake | because of this change to documenting globals.yml | 16:32 |
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sdake | i'd find that helpful for the core team | 16:32 |
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sdake | your complaint was that everyone is looking at the end solution | 16:32 |
sdake | which is valid :) | 16:33 |
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sdake | ok well then anything else on kolla-kubernetes? | 16:33 |
rhallisey | nothing atm | 16:33 |
rhallisey | thanks | 16:34 |
sdake | rhallisey would you mind sending out a email explaining the review approach because of globals.yml cut and paste? | 16:34 |
rhallisey | ok | 16:34 |
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sdake | might help to point people at the irc log of the meeting index on the technical details | 16:35 |
sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:35 |
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inc0 | so, we don't have any input to mascot creation? | 16:35 |
inc0 | really? | 16:36 |
sdake | inc0 I am not really sure | 16:36 |
coolsvap | pip installs in binary containers | 16:36 |
sdake | inc0 up first then coolsvap has floor | 16:36 |
inc0 | sdake, can you ask? | 16:37 |
sdake | inc0 I can find out if you like what hte process will be | 16:37 |
inc0 | we have grand plans;) | 16:37 |
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sdake | inc0 it may be hiding on the mailing lsit somewhre | 16:37 |
sdake | inc0 give me a couple hours | 16:37 |
sdake | coolsvap ure up | 16:38 |
coolsvap | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100024.html | 16:38 |
coolsvap | i wanted to bring it in meeting | 16:38 |
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coolsvap | inputs are most appreciated | 16:39 |
sdake | coolsvap mind bringing people up to speed on the status of the thread | 16:39 |
coolsvap | so there is a request to do pip install in networking-sfc container review | 16:40 |
coolsvap | which I think we have not allowed till now | 16:40 |
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sdake | i am pretty sure we have allowed source only containers | 16:40 |
sdake | murano as an example | 16:41 |
sdake | how is this one different from that? | 16:41 |
coolsvap | i am fine with source only containers | 16:41 |
coolsvap | please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/ | 16:41 |
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coolsvap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/6/docker/neutron/neutron-networking-sfc-agent/Dockerfile.j2 | 16:42 |
coolsvap | oh its updated | 16:42 |
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coolsvap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/1/docker/neutron/neutron-networking-sfc-agent/Dockerfile.j2 | 16:42 |
coolsvap | patch set 1 | 16:42 |
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coolsvap | do we allow pip install networking-sfc in binary containers | 16:43 |
sdake | coolsvap its hard to review in meeting time - but I htink what woudl help is what are peoples positions | 16:43 |
sdake | where is the problem taht needs fixing | 16:43 |
coolsvap | thats my question | 16:44 |
sdake | i see :) | 16:44 |
coolsvap | i am fine if its discussed outside meeting or mailing list | 16:45 |
sdake | coolsvap i'll ask the core team to have a look at that thread | 16:45 |
sdake | so we can make a determination | 16:45 |
sdake | my general position is pip and yum should not be mixed unless absolutely necessary | 16:46 |
sdake | anyone else have anythign to add? | 16:46 |
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sdake | any other open items? | 16:47 |
coolsvap | I think we have had situations where packages were not present in distos where we had source only containers | 16:47 |
sdake | coolsvap yup that is correct | 16:47 |
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sdake | murano was not in rdo at one point (maybe still) and the binary container didn't build but source did from upstream | 16:48 |
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sdake | ok well thanks for coming folks | 16:49 |
sdake | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 16:49:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
coolsvap | thank you | 16:49 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-27-16.00.html | 16:49 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-27-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
akwasnie | thanks, bye ! :) | 16:49 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-27-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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duonghq | thank you, bye for now | 16:49 |
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RaginBajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 18:01 |
RaginBajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 18:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is RaginBajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 18:02 |
RaginBajin | Stupid spaces. | 18:02 |
RaginBajin | o/ | 18:02 |
RaginBajin | Agenda can be found here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160727 | 18:02 |
RaginBajin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160727 | 18:02 |
RaginBajin | Ugh.. | 18:03 |
RaginBajin | Wrong time.. Be back in an hour. | 18:03 |
RaginBajin | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 18:03:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-07-27-18.01.html | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-07-27-18.01.txt | 18:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-07-27-18.01.log.html | 18:04 |
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RaginBajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 19:04:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is RaginBajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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RaginBajin | Agenda can be found here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160727 | 19:04 |
RaginBajin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160727 | 19:04 |
RaginBajin | o/ | 19:04 |
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RaginBajin | Waiting for others to join. | 19:12 |
RaginBajin | I'll give it till 20 after the hour (19:20) before I end it if no one joins and wants to proceed. | 19:12 |
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RaginBajin | Ok well no one is here so we will be ending this meeting. | 19:30 |
RaginBajin | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-07-27-19.04.html | 19:30 |
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