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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 14:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | hope you are having/have had a pleasant day in your time zone | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
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| hemanthm | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hope you are having/have had a pleasant day in your time zone | 14:01 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 14:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil is on a much deserved vacation | 14:01 |
| tsymanczyk | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | :-) | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | not a lot on the agenda for today | 14:02 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:02 |
| hemanthm | is he? :) | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | apparently not! | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | let's talk about Glare | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:02 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil | Im sorta in a conf/mtg. Listening on irc on phone for next 3min. | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #topic glare update | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glare update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: what do you have for us? | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: thanks for your comments in spec commit | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | I'll try to address it today | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | excellent | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | I developed sqlalchemy backend | 14:04 |
| * nikhil goes afk | 14:04 | |
| mfedosin | and rewrote artifact sorting and filtering | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | you have been busy | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | kairat made a titanic work on artifact lock | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | go kairat! | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | it's a thing to prevent race conditions :) | 14:05 |
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| mfedosin | also we have new team member Serg Skripnick | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | welcome Serg | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | he'll start working on Glance/Glare next Monday | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | i've noticed a lot of patches for glare, most marked WIP | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | so, if you have something to say about Glare api - it's the best time to do it in the spec | 14:07 |
| * rosmaita should shut up and let mfedosin talk | 14:07 | |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: yeah, we continue developing of glare | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | but also there is a set of patches that are not wip | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | and we consider them as stable | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | ok, cores, please review the glare API spec | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | rosmaita: thanks Brian | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ok, so any glare patches not specifically marked WIP are ready for review | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | we better get started! | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | yes | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | it's a lot of stuff to look at | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | (but high quality, and not much in the way of race conditions!) | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330458/ | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | it's a top commit in the series | 14:09 |
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| mfedosin | I think I'll update it tomorrow | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | the latest glare code we have is located here | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/ | 14:10 |
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| mfedosin | it's a development branch :) | 14:10 |
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| mfedosin | one thing I want to add | 14:11 |
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| mfedosin | now we consider Glare code is stable | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | and that's why we are going to start implementing artifact types for openstack services | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | tomorrow we begin with Murano artifact type | 14:12 |
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| mfedosin | our plans are to seat with Alex Tivelkov and Kirill Zaitsev and implement some POC | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | and next week we want to do the same with Heat team | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | Heat AT is much easier than Murano one | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | implementing those should help shake out any corner cases | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | I'll make a big update next week, when these artifact types are implemented | 14:14 |
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| mfedosin | I think that's all for today | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | sounds good | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | yeah | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | i just want to repeat: the glare code is ready for reviews | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | we have a huge progress | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | also, if you haven't seen the API spec, please look now or forever hold your peace! | 14:15 |
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| rosmaita | thanks mike! | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | welcome :) | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | moving along | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #topic v2 adoption across services | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "v2 adoption across services (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:15 | |
| rosmaita | there are two items to discuss, here are the links | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1595335 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595335 in Glance "Add image location fails when show_multiple_locations = false" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320039/ | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | bpokorny: you have the floor | 14:16 |
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| bpokorny | Thanks | 14:16 |
| bpokorny | So tsufiev and I have been working on the Horizon changes to fully support Glance v2. | 14:16 |
| bpokorny | We have most things implemented at this point. | 14:17 |
| bpokorny | But the latest thing I ran into is the bug just linked above (159535). | 14:17 |
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| mfedosin | it's a big inconsistency in glance, imho | 14:18 |
| bpokorny | So I was wondering if people here have thoughts on whether we're doing something wrong in Horizon, or if there's a glance bug that needs fixing. | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | bpokorny: afaik glance v2 developers wanted to make adding custom locations admin only operation | 14:19 |
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| mfedosin | and there is a reason for this | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | v2 supports multiple locations for an image | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | and it may break promised image immutability - user may change image locations after activation | 14:21 |
| mfedosin | I think about this issue for a long time | 14:21 |
| mfedosin | currently we have two options how to fix it: easy and right :) | 14:22 |
| bpokorny | :) | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | 1. easy - deprecate show_multiple_locations and make it True by default | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | limit max locations size to 1 | 14:23 |
| mfedosin | it brings behavior we have in glance v1 | 14:23 |
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| mfedosin | but it completely breaks multiple locations feature | 14:24 |
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| mfedosin | and I think people who use it will be unhappy | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | 2. right - deprecate show_multiple_locations and make it True by default | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | set policies that only admin can add custom locations to images | 14:25 |
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| mfedosin | send related requests from Horizon user directly | 14:26 |
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| mfedosin | Horizon user has admin privileges | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | so, in short: create image with user context, add location with Horizon context | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | Now I want to hear what community thinks about it :) | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i guess that would give horizon the opportunity to somehow "screen" the location? | 14:27 |
| hemanthm | that means anyone can add image locations | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | what hemanthm said | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | with v1 anyone can add image location | 14:28 |
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| bpokorny | Also, all operations from Horizon are made with the credentials of the user, so there's currently no concept of a Horizon service user. | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, well that's good to know | 14:28 |
| hemanthm | yeah, but that won't solve the problems that forced us turn or multiplie locations, right? or am I missing anything here? | 14:28 |
| hemanthm | *turn off | 14:29 |
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| mfedosin | bpokorny: the same story for Nova - currently on some deployments we have to enable show_multiple_locations to make it work | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i think we need a multiple-image-locations task force | 14:30 |
| bpokorny | Ah, good to know. | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i don't understand the feature and the related use cases | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | it's obviously used by some people | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | but it's also kind of dangerous | 14:30 |
| hemanthm | ++ rosmaita | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | it would be good to have some solid use cases before we redesign/deprecate it | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | or, if anyone here already knows, please point them out to us | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | bpokorny: not sure how heplful this discussion has been? | 14:32 |
| bpokorny | rosmaita: Actually, very helpful. I understand now there's some discussion on how to handle multiple locations. | 14:33 |
| bpokorny | Does anyone know how Nova is dealing with the issue? | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | I know :) | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | tell us! | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | because I wrote it | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:33 |
| bpokorny | Yay! | 14:34 |
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| mfedosin | nohow :) | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | we just enabled show_multiple_locations and that's all | 14:34 |
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| mfedosin | and now I'm afraid that some deployments may be in danger after this change | 14:34 |
| bpokorny | Yeah. when an operator installs nova for the first time and uses Glance v2.. | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i guess if you have multiple glance nodes, you can enable it for the ones nova talks to and not for the public ones | 14:35 |
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| bpokorny | They need to know to enable multiple locations. | 14:35 |
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| bpokorny | So is the plan to document that somewhere, or ?? | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i guess it is action item time | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | #action someone figure out something about showing multiple locations | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | guess that's not very helpful | 14:37 |
| tsymanczyk | :) | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | what solution do we have for Horizon - send requests to private glances? | 14:37 |
| hemanthm | haha | 14:37 |
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| mfedosin | the best action item I have seen | 14:38 |
| bpokorny | It makes sense for the situation we have now :) | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | we can continue this talk in mailing list | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | is it a "solution' to say that horizon should not expose this, you must use the api? | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | maybe people would suggest somithing useful for us | 14:38 |
| * rosmaita ducks | 14:38 | |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: ++ | 14:38 |
| bpokorny | Haha | 14:38 |
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| bpokorny | For Horizon, we're targeting Newton to merge the v2 changes. | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | so you need some action on this quick | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | any volunteers to kick off the ML discussion? | 14:40 |
| bpokorny | For now, we could just document as a limitation that people need to set multiple locations = True for it to work. | 14:40 |
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| mfedosin | I'll try to help | 14:40 |
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| bpokorny | Cool. Thanks, mfedosin and rosmaita. | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: let's work together on a draft of an email ... i am worried about where the discussion might go if it's not carefully constrained | 14:41 |
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| bpokorny | I'll let the other Horizon guys know to watch for the email too. | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: okay, I'll send you a draft | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | #action mfedosin rosmaita nikhil will work on getting the multiple image locations discussion started on the ML | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | bpokorny: thank you! | 14:42 |
| bpokorny | Also, just an FYI if anyone wants to start reviewing the Horizon patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320039/ | 14:42 |
| mfedosin | btw, Heat has the same issue | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | any other comments on this topic? | 14:42 |
| bpokorny | The Jenkins failure you see in that review is due to the issue we just talked about, so you can ignore that failure for now. | 14:42 |
| bpokorny | That's all I had. Thanks, all! | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320039/ | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | (horizon patch ^^) | 14:43 |
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| rosmaita | ok, moving along | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | #topic clarifications to glance contributors' guide | 14:43 |
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| mfedosin | thank bpokorny! | 14:43 |
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| rosmaita | (this one is me) | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | this is a follow up on an action item i had from last week's meeting | 14:44 |
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| rosmaita | (Policy concerning changes to "old" db migration scripts) | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i put up a patch for your perusal, especially cores | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/335688 | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i also added a statement about non-type-safe changes to tests, which follows the policy we've had on a series of reviews over the past few cycles, i figured we might as well have it written down somewhere | 14:44 |
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| rosmaita | i don't think it's controversial, but please review | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | #topic 500 error if member_id > 255 chars | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1585917/comments/2 | 14:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585917 in Glance "member-create will raise 500 error if member-id is greater than 255 characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: this is your item | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | hi | 14:45 |
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| abhishekk | I have added my comment on the bug | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | and need inputs from the team | 14:46 |
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| abhishekk | there is a problem with input and output for member-create api | 14:46 |
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| abhishekk | it accepts member as a request body and gives member-id as a response | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i wonder whether we should have a specific schema for the member-create request | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | because of this its difficult to add schema validation for member-create api | 14:47 |
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| rosmaita | i guess another option would be to do a "oneOf" in the schema | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | rosmita: I need to check about "oneOf" | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: me too, i am talking out of my hat here | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | but it think we can say only one of those is accepted, not both | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i don't like having both in the schema in your example | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | right, me too | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | if we can do oneOf, then the response can always have member_id | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | and the request could accept one or the other but not both | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | another one is to do a string validation for greater length in controller itself | 14:50 |
| hemanthm | I thought 'OneOf' is for specifying types? not completely sure though :P | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: you may be right | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i am having some wishful thinking here | 14:51 |
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| abhishekk | thats it, please add your suggestions on the bug | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok, thank you abhishekk | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | thank you :) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | #action please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1585917/ | 14:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585917 in Glance "member-create will raise 500 error if member-id is greater than 255 characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| rosmaita | anyone? | 14:53 |
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| mfedosin | I have nothing to say... | 14:53 |
| hemanthm | I do | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: go for it! | 14:53 |
| hemanthm | Just want to introduce Dharini to all the folks here | 14:53 |
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| rosmaita | welcome Dharini! | 14:54 |
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| dharinic__ | Hello all. :) | 14:54 |
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| mfedosin | welcome Dharini :) | 14:54 |
| hemanthm | Dharini is a new member of the Openstack Innovation Center | 14:54 |
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| mfedosin | I haven't heard about it | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | what's is it? | 14:55 |
| hemanthm | I won't blame you :) | 14:55 |
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| hemanthm | https://osic.org/ | 14:55 |
| dharinic__ | Thank you. :) I will be working in Glance from Castle. I recently joined the OSIC team. | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | #link https://osic.org/ | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | "Castle" is the name of the Rackspace office in San Antonio, Texas, USA | 14:56 |
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| rosmaita | well, nickname | 14:56 |
| hemanthm | That's all I've got. | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | we are happy to have new people working on glance! | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | anything else? | 14:57 |
| dharinic__ | Very happy to be working in Glance. :) | 14:57 |
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| mfedosin | dharinic_: look at Glare as well ;) | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | reminder: please look at Glare API spec | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | I'll be very happy | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | looks like that's all for today | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
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| mfedosin | seems so | 14:59 |
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| mfedosin | thanks | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| bpokorny | Thanks all | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 14:59:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-30-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-30-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-30-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: brb, coffee emergency | 15:00 |
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| TravT | lol, okay | 15:00 |
| matt-borland | that sounds bad | 15:00 |
| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 15:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
| GB21 | 0/ | 15:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:01 |
| matt-borland | o/ | 15:01 |
| GB21 | o/ | 15:01 |
| RickA-HP | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
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| TravT | okay, with sjmc7 joining i think we have a quorum | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | hello | 15:01 |
| TravT | rosmaita will be right back | 15:01 |
| GB21 | hi sjmc7 | 15:02 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 15:02 |
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| TravT | i say lei-zh join as well | 15:02 |
| TravT | say --> saw | 15:02 |
| itisha | o/ | 15:02 |
| TravT | o/ itisha | 15:02 |
| TravT | todays agenda is here | 15:02 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| TravT | please add anything you see missing | 15:02 |
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| TravT | as a reminder, we are about two weeks from the end of newton 2 | 15:03 |
| TravT | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | back | 15:03 |
| TravT | did you get your coffee emergency solved? ;) | 15:04 |
| GB21 | hi rosmaita | 15:04 |
| TravT | first up | 15:04 |
| TravT | #topic searchlight ui updates | 15:04 |
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| matt-borland | Yeah, a couple of updates | 15:04 |
| matt-borland | first, the npm jobs in Jenkins were all passing all the time | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | TravT: yes, it was both and input and output problem if you know what i mean | 15:05 |
| TravT | rofl | 15:05 |
| matt-borland | and we introduced lint/test errors on master searchlight-ui | 15:05 |
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| matt-borland | so if you have patches and rebase you'll see those errors in your patch | 15:05 |
| matt-borland | that's fixed in a patch I have up | 15:05 |
| matt-borland | otherwise, what we're doing in feature development is: | 15:06 |
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| TravT | matt-borland's patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335041/ | 15:06 |
| matt-borland | Adding the 'registered' details views to the results...so you link off to client-side views when they available | 15:06 |
| matt-borland | that patch is nearly landed ^^ | 15:06 |
| matt-borland | but can use some more eyes | 15:06 |
| matt-borland | We also have a patch to make the result list respond appropriately when you complete an action, like Editing an item | 15:07 |
| matt-borland | it will cause the item to 'light up' if it's in a transitional state | 15:07 |
| rosmaita | fancy | 15:07 |
| matt-borland | :) it's good ux | 15:07 |
| matt-borland | lets people know that 'hey, this thing might be changing status soon' | 15:07 |
| matt-borland | so they don't feel they edited something and the screen seems out of sync | 15:08 |
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| TravT | the ui is affected by a bug on horizon master right now | 15:08 |
| TravT | FYI | 15:08 |
| matt-borland | that patch is waiting on some work from tyr who is on paternity leave | 15:08 |
| TravT | links off to django based detail pages fail. | 15:08 |
| matt-borland | so TravT I'm a little blocked on that | 15:08 |
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| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1597528 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1597528 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Containers/Swift URL Redirection Loop" [High,Confirmed] | 15:09 |
| matt-borland | That loop is a specific-to swift problem | 15:09 |
| matt-borland | they registered their urls badly | 15:09 |
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| TravT | it behaves the same as the network pages, though | 15:09 |
| matt-borland | true | 15:09 |
| matt-borland | TravT, I can look at that upstream today | 15:10 |
| matt-borland | is this only when within webroot? | 15:10 |
| TravT | cool we can work through that offline. just wanted to FYI people here | 15:10 |
| matt-borland | (again, not the same as swift problem) | 15:10 |
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| matt-borland | thanks! | 15:10 |
| TravT | let's jump to the next topic | 15:10 |
| TravT | #topic nova notification status | 15:10 |
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| TravT | yingjun, how is your work going for hypervisors and flavor notifications? | 15:10 |
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| yingjun | The hypervisor one is waiting for Balazs’s patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313654/ | 15:11 |
| yingjun | it’s almost done | 15:12 |
| TravT | looks like you are getting good attention on it from nova cores | 15:12 |
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| TravT | :) | 15:13 |
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| yingjun | Yeah,) | 15:13 |
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| TravT | do we have any hope for flavor notifications in newton? | 15:13 |
| yingjun | Not sure for the Flavor one | 15:13 |
| yingjun | The spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321336/ is not approved yet :( | 15:14 |
| TravT | rosmaita and chance you can nudge any of your friends to look at that one? | 15:14 |
| yingjun | I think i can get the hypervisor one done in newton. | 15:14 |
| TravT | and -> any | 15:14 |
| Kevin_Zheng | nova will not review spec after n-1 | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | what Kevin_Zheng said | 15:15 |
| TravT | okay. so then that one is out | 15:15 |
| TravT | which brings me to my next topic | 15:15 |
| TravT | #topic Disable plugins by default that don't have notifications | 15:15 |
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| TravT | there may be an even bigger question here | 15:15 |
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| TravT | but basically, right now we have enabled most plugins by default | 15:15 |
| TravT | swift being the exception | 15:15 |
| TravT | we didn't enable swift by default because there aren't supported notifications yet. | 15:16 |
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| TravT | so, i was thinking that perhaps we should make it a policy that if a resource type has to be re-indexed periodically (via cron or some other scheduler), that we should disable them by default | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | TravT: do you mean by default the example devstack conf? or in code? | 15:17 |
| TravT | in code | 15:17 |
| TravT | on devstack, enable by default in sample local.conf | 15:18 |
| yingjun | It’s ok for me, just make sure document that.. | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | to go one step further, we could disable everything by default and make things opt-in | 15:19 |
| TravT | yes, that is the next consideration | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | i understand the motivation, but do you really think it's necessary? | 15:19 |
| RickA-HP | Is there any way to make the connection of enabling a plugin and periodically re-indexing more explicit? | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | i think delpoyers are probably going to write their own config file anyway, so the defaults don’t matter too much | 15:20 |
| rosmaita | for a young project, probably don't want the devstack and shipping config to differ | 15:20 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: ++ | 15:20 |
| TravT | so, you can see my long winded comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332242/ | 15:20 |
| TravT | patch set 4 | 15:20 |
| TravT | The last line kind of summarizes it | 15:21 |
| TravT | All of the above has led me to also realize that upgrade scenarios may be problematic for deployers, particularly because we seem to just enable plugins by default or not. If you enable them by default, a deployer who had a config file per service will suddenly have to update every single config file to disable the new plugin (At least according to documentation: | 15:21 |
| TravT | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/searchlight/plugins.html#non-inheritable-common-configuration-options) | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | from my experience we don’t typically blindly re-use config files from release to release | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | since so much changes with the various oslo libraries and in services themselves | 15:22 |
| TravT | okay, so, sjmc7 rosmaita are you voting to leave all plugins enabled by default? | 15:24 |
| TravT | or disable all or disable the ones without notifications by default? | 15:24 |
| * rosmaita is still reading that monster comment | 15:24 | |
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| sjmc7 | i think considering some as ‘experimental’ and disabling them by default is ok | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | fully functional ones i’m ok leaving enabled | 15:24 |
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| TravT | yeah, my only reasoning on disable by default those which don't have notifications is that i wouldn't want a deployer to falsely think that they can expect the data to stay up to date in the index | 15:25 |
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| TravT | at least without them doing an external sync process | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | perhaps a different section in the config file to point out the need for the cron job on those | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | separate plugins that have notifications and those that don't | 15:26 |
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| * TravT would have to think about that a bit... | 15:27 | |
| TravT | maybe if nothing else we could output a warning message in searchlight-manage index sync | 15:28 |
| TravT | for any plugins that don't have notification listeneres? | 15:28 |
| TravT | but are enabled | 15:28 |
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| TravT | okay, i think at least i've introduced the topic | 15:30 |
| lei-zh | in index sync or searchlight-listener | 15:30 |
| david-lyle | combination of warnings and clear documentation | 15:30 |
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| rosmaita | david-lyle: ++ | 15:30 |
| TravT | that sounds like a winner | 15:30 |
| TravT | Okay, we'll go that direction | 15:31 |
| TravT | thanks | 15:31 |
| TravT | #topic pipeline architecture status | 15:31 |
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| lei-zh | I write some demo code about the pipeline, using nova instance as an example | 15:31 |
| lei-zh | it's on https://github.com/liverbirdkte/searchlight-1/ | 15:32 |
| * david-lyle ponders liverbird | 15:33 | |
| Kevin_Zheng | cool | 15:33 |
| lei-zh | it's not a complete one, but if it's on the right road, I can work on actual patches | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | i’ll try and take a look today, been caught up in some internal work for a couple of days | 15:34 |
| TravT | on this topic | 15:34 |
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| TravT | RickA-HP had mentioned to sjmc7 and I that perhaps we could schedule a hangout or something if needed to talk through parts of it | 15:34 |
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| TravT | since many projects have a mid-cycle meetup and we don't, it could help to facilitate faster discussion | 15:35 |
| lei-zh | yeah, that's welcome | 15:35 |
| TravT | i will be at the horizon mid-cycle the week of July 11th | 15:36 |
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| TravT | so, next week would be good or the week after that. | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | July 11 is the week after that | 15:36 |
| TravT | yeah, unclear statement by me | 15:36 |
| TravT | i mean the week after the week of the 11th | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | aha | 15:37 |
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| TravT | lei-zh would you want to meet next week? | 15:37 |
| RickA-HP | And we can pick a time more convenient for you :) | 15:37 |
| lei-zh | we'll have a bug smash next week, but I think it won't be conflicted because I can meet at evening | 15:37 |
| lei-zh | so next week is ok | 15:39 |
| TravT | well i can do Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday morning next week | 15:39 |
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| TravT | i'll send a doodle poll after this meeting to the ML | 15:40 |
| TravT | and coordinate a time | 15:40 |
| lei-zh | sure, thanks | 15:40 |
| TravT | Next up. | 15:40 |
| TravT | #topic community images | 15:40 |
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| TravT | rosmaita: i haven't been able to go through this in depth or keep up | 15:41 |
| TravT | how's it looking for newton? | 15:41 |
| TravT | for glance | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | it is going to happen | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | but, there will be no bookmarking of images | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | so should be a pretty simple change from searchlight POV | 15:42 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/271019 | 15:42 |
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| rosmaita | biggest change will be 'visibility' will be public, private, shared, community | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | shared == the current ‘members’ thing? | 15:42 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: correct | 15:42 |
| rosmaita | there will still be members, but the image won't be considered shared unless it has visiblity == shared | 15:43 |
| TravT | rosmaita are we going to need to do some conditional configuration in searchlight to index pre / post this spec? i mean is this being done in a backwards compatible way? | 15:43 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: probably | 15:44 |
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| TravT | probably conditional configuration for indexing? kind of like nova api versioning? | 15:44 |
| rosmaita | maybe we can discuss at the midcycle meet you are settin gup | 15:44 |
| TravT | ok | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | it sounds like our current membes check will still do the job | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | the ‘shared’ thing is more an indicator that there ARE memebers i guess? | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | so we can probably do an optimization to avoid asking for members all the time for private images | 15:45 |
| rosmaita | well, the problem is the member list will persist across visibility transistions | 15:45 |
| rosmaita | so yes, what you just said | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | ah, ok | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | so we should make the change but things’ll work in the interim | 15:46 |
| rosmaita | more or less | 15:46 |
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| rosmaita | 'private' images will show up as shared in searchlight results without the change, i think | 15:46 |
| TravT | horizon as well | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | but in the new world you mgit have an image with ‘private’ but members that should now no longer show up | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, this will likely affect all consumers of images | 15:47 |
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| TravT | this glance change breaks backwards compatibility | 15:47 |
| rosmaita | not really | 15:47 |
| TravT | i think it does | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | whether it does or doesn’t, we’ll have to make a change :) | 15:47 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: right | 15:47 |
| TravT | yeah... | 15:47 |
| david-lyle | if it causes consumers to change behavior to support existing features, it breaks backward compatibility | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | period | 15:48 |
| rosmaita | well, normal people don't have access to the member list | 15:48 |
| rosmaita | the plugin knows more that you'd know from pure api access | 15:48 |
| TravT | i'm just trying to think of some of the display filters in horizon | 15:49 |
| rosmaita | because it sees member_status, etc | 15:49 |
| TravT | they look at visibility | 15:49 |
| TravT | and do some derivation today | 15:49 |
| TravT | maybe won't be a problem | 15:49 |
| TravT | but will have to look at it | 15:49 |
| david-lyle | yup | 15:49 |
| TravT | okay, will look at spec before the meetup | 15:50 |
| * TravT looks like there will be lots of homework before meetup | 15:50 | |
| TravT | I'm going to skip a bit | 15:50 |
| TravT | RickA-HP add the next topic | 15:50 |
| TravT | #topic Updating ES python client library to match ES 2.X. | 15:50 |
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| RickA-HP | Some background. Elasticsearch recommends having the python client's version major number match the version number of Elasticsearch. Since we are moving to ES 2.X for Newton, the python client should also be 2.X. | 15:51 |
| RickA-HP | But the README for the requirements project claims that we should bump the client library version only if it is "impossible" to stay at the current level. Do we know how strict "impossible" is? | 15:51 |
| RickA-HP | The current 1.X version of the client library works with ES2.X. | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | that’s not entirely true | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | it works for everything we do | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | there are some API calls where parameters were removed, or payload requirements changed | 15:52 |
| TravT | did any of the query string syntax get affected? | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | not sure but that’s not related to the client version | 15:53 |
| TravT | shouldn't be | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/breaking_20_query_dsl_changes.html | 15:53 |
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| RickA-HP | I think we should bump the ES client version to 2.X. | 15:54 |
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| sjmc7 | yes. especially as ES 5.0 will be released before newton | 15:55 |
| RickA-HP | OK. I'll submit the change and see what push back we get. | 15:55 |
| RickA-HP | In global-requirement.txt change it to elasticsearch<3.0,>=2.0 (currently elasticsearch<2.0,>=1.3.0) | 15:55 |
| RickA-HP | And in upper-constraints.txt change it to elasticsearch==2.9.0 (currently elasticsearch==1.9.0) | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | there is no 2.9.0 | 15:56 |
| lei-zh | seem max is 2.3.0 | 15:56 |
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| sjmc7 | there’s a procedure on https://github.com/openstack/requirements for altering upper-constraints | 15:56 |
| RickA-HP | Maybe I'll let the CI bot handle it then. | 15:57 |
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| sjmc7 | there is a manual procedure on that README | 15:57 |
| TravT | okay, sounds good. | 15:58 |
| RickA-HP | Thanks. | 15:58 |
| TravT | you might want to also send out a message to the ML | 15:58 |
| TravT | responding to an earlier message steve had sent | 15:58 |
| RickA-HP | Ok. | 15:58 |
| TravT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092583.html | 15:59 |
| TravT | for reference | 15:59 |
| TravT | just tell people that we' | 15:59 |
| TravT | are making the move | 15:59 |
| TravT | and need to up the client version | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | o/ please wrap up - we have this meeting room booked for this time :/ | 16:00 |
| TravT | odyssey4me: sorry! | 16:00 |
| TravT | okay all | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | :) no worries | 16:00 |
| TravT | thanks! | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 16:00:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-30-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-30-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-30-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 16:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:00 |
| GB21 | Thanks all | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:00 |
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| michaelgugino | here | 16:01 |
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| spotz | \o/ welcome back odyssey4me | 16:01 |
| admin0 | \o/ | 16:01 |
| evrardjp | o? | 16:01 |
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| palendae | o7 | 16:02 |
| Zucan | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mrhillsman | 0/ | 16:02 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:02 |
| adreznec | o/ | 16:02 |
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| asettle | o/ | 16:04 |
| jmccrory | o/ | 16:04 |
| * odyssey4me just finished reading the log from last week's meeting :p | 16:04 | |
| evrardjp | mhayden did fast and well IIRC | 16:04 |
| asettle | I'm sure that was just a rollercoaster read. | 16:04 |
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| odyssey4me | alrighty, let's rumble :) | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic MariaDB 10.1 Upgrade for Newton | 16:05 |
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| * odyssey4me hands the mic to adreznec | 16:06 | |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 16:06 |
| * mhayden stumbles in | 16:06 | |
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| adreznec | Hey odyssey4me. Not a ton to report yet, I have an environment set up locally but didn't have quite as much time to look at it as I was hoping for | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | lol, welcome mhayden - enjoying the show? | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | adreznec ok, not a major issue - although it seems that it may be a blocker for the PPC support :/ | 16:07 |
| adreznec | Haven't run into any issues yet, but I'm going to dig farther in today/tomorrow here and push up some initial test changes | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:07 |
| adreznec | Yeah, we hit a few other PPC issues I'm work ahead of that | 16:08 |
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| adreznec | *working | 16:08 |
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| alextricity25 | o/ | 16:08 |
| alextricity25 | better late than never | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | We have discussed whether we should do the 10.1 upgrade for Newton. I think it was at the summit. Everyone was open to it, but no-one volunteered to pick it up as I recall. | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | It wasn't urgent for anyone. | 16:08 |
| adreznec | Yeah, I saw that on the multi-os etherpad | 16:08 |
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| automagically | o/ | 16:08 |
| * automagically mostly here, but troubleshooting OVS simultaneously | 16:09 | |
| alextricity25 | i thought it was needed for the 16.04 work? | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | adreznec We did a MariaDB 5.5 -> 10.0 upgrade process from Kilo->Liberty so there is some prior art around. As I recall the Mitaka branch may still have an in-role test set which you can use for the patch submission. | 16:09 |
| palendae | Yeah, it does | 16:09 |
| adreznec | alextricity25: I thought for x86 10.0 is still available in the mirrors for Xenial | 16:10 |
| adreznec | odyssey4me: Ok, I'll take a peek at that | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | I hope it removes some moving parts, actually, due to the built-in galera bits. | 16:10 |
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| alextricity25 | adreznec: You're probably right. I'm just going off something I read off some etherpad a few days ago | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | But of course that means we'll need a patch added to the Mitaka->Newton upgrade process to ensure that things are cleaned up. | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | I would personally prefer to ditch the extra moving parts and use the packages in Xenial as far as possible, but I think there may be an issue with xtrabackup there.... not sure. | 16:12 |
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| * odyssey4me had a nightmare about all the moving parts in an OpenStack install. | 16:13 | |
| adreznec | odyssey4me: Yeah, I'll have to test that out | 16:13 |
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| * alextricity25 hugs odyssey4me | 16:13 | |
| odyssey4me | OK - any other thoughts before we move on? | 16:13 |
| alextricity25 | it'll be alright | 16:13 |
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| asettle | This got emotional quick | 16:13 |
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| michaelgugino | 10.1 is not so much the problem, it's the missing xtra backup components | 16:13 |
| * odyssey4me eyes mhayden - it's all your fault isn't it? | 16:13 | |
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| cloader8_ | lol | 16:14 |
| alextricity25 | i think we should all talk about our feelings | 16:14 |
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| asettle | alextricity25: omg okay, you first | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | Considering we all work in OpenStack, I think that's a bad idea. | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | w/c ? | 16:14 |
| michaelgugino | Xenial repos only provide 10.0 as well, there was no package update, debian is still shipping 10.0, so we need to bug the debian maintainers if we want to ship 10.1 in Ubuntu's repos | 16:14 |
| asettle | evrardjp: to me that stands for Water Closet. | 16:14 |
| alextricity25 | sorry...didn't mean to deviate | 16:14 |
| asettle | alextricity25: oh yes you di | 16:14 |
| asettle | did* | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | what's UCA shipping ? | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino I was thinking that we stick to 10.0 but we switch from the MariaDB packages to the Xenial packages. | 16:15 |
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| michaelgugino | The problem is we need the galera patches which are source patches | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino As far as I can tell that should cater for PPC and remove some moving parts. | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | Ah, then that died in a fire. | 16:15 |
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| michaelgugino | no way to use galera+mariadb10 without the source patches | 16:15 |
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| adreznec | Ah, well there goes that idea | 16:16 |
| palendae | Was 10.1 where they combined them? | 16:16 |
| michaelgugino | yes | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | OK, so that pipedream will have to wait for another Ubuntu release. | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | Right - moving on. | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Mid Cycle Planning | 16:16 |
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| eil397 | we already have build for python packages. let's build deb : - ) - just a joke | 16:17 |
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| michaelgugino | looks like xtrabackup is finally out natively for 16.04, so we might be able to ship 10.1+ from mariadb if we chose. | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | Thanks mhayden for organising stuff so far. We need to start building an agenda. | 16:17 |
| michaelgugino | but that would be a breaking upgrade that we need coverage for during m->n | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | michaelgugino M->N with N on Xenial requires new hosts & new containers... so upgrades are not much of an issue | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | let's pick pu that convo a bit later though - we have plenty to work through before then | 16:18 |
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| michaelgugino | true, but I'm of the preference of keeping as much the same between trusty and xenial as possible, but I'm okay with making that change personally. | 16:19 |
| asettle | odyssey4me: just a note on the agenda, I'd like to have a docs working session to help improved teh install guide at hte midcycle | 16:19 |
| asettle | plz | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | I think it's time we start forming an agenda on the mid cycle etherpad | 16:19 |
| asettle | I'll give you another cookie | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-midcycle-newton | 16:19 |
| asettle | \o/ yas | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, I've added a bit of a framework | 16:21 |
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| asettle | Excuse me, odyssey4me and I are having an etherpad argument | 16:23 |
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| prometheanfire | lol | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | for those proposing long sessions, best you plan body breaks ;) | 16:27 |
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| palendae | Yeah | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | ok cool - while that continues let's move on a bit | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | adreznec Feel free to propose a session to help the power work get ahead. Once we have all proposals up we'll have to check how much time we have and prioritise. | 16:28 |
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| adreznec | odyssey4me: Sounds good, I'll get that up there. | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | next up | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Backport of OVS work to stable/mitaka | 16:29 |
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| automagically | I just wanted to see if anyone would have objections to getting this work backported | 16:30 |
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| automagically | Also, wondering if anyone has ideas on how we might get gate testing around it in either os_neutron or the AIO | 16:30 |
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| automagically | Seems to be a fair bit of demand for the feature, but I’m not networking wizard and could use some help/validation from the community | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | automagically ok yeah, I'm lagging on sorting out the gating bit - I have committed to doing it and it is getting rather urgent | 16:30 |
| andymccr | scenario gating! | 16:31 |
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| evrardjp | woot | 16:31 |
| automagically | I guess what I should do is add it to the mid-cycle planning as a topic. The gating work | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | in terms of backporting - if the changes are fairly contained and opt-in, I suppose it's not too much of an issue | 16:31 |
| automagically | Its definitely opt-in | 16:31 |
| michaelgugino | there was a fair amount of refactoring of variable names and whatnot for the ovs work | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | it's hard to tell without looking at the full body of change | 16:31 |
| automagically | This is pretty much it: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron/compare/stable/mitaka...trumant:stable/mitaka | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, it may require some rejigging due to the multi-os work and liberal use of the deprecation filter to ensure that var names that worked before keep working | 16:32 |
| stevelle | sounds like with the var changes that there would be upgrade impacts L->M? | 16:32 |
| automagically | I’ve been doing testing on it in my lab and hopefully will have results soon | 16:32 |
| automagically | okay, will keep in mind the var naming issues before proposing a patch to stable/mitaka | 16:33 |
| palendae | yeah, var name changes would definitely affect upgrades | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | sorry to be painful on this point, but it's not stable if we change variables | 16:34 |
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| palendae | ^ | 16:34 |
| michaelgugino | looks like the ovs changes need to be updated for xenial as well | 16:34 |
| palendae | Added is fine | 16:34 |
| michaelgugino | there's no UCA for xenial, so those bits will fail | 16:34 |
| automagically | Okay, appreciate the feedback I’m getting from all of you | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, if you ensure that any var name changes are covered by the deprecation filter and that there are release notes indicating deprecation in mitaka and removal in newton, then you should be covered | 16:34 |
| automagically | Helps me understand what work would be needed | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino xenial now does have UCA | 16:34 |
| michaelgugino | oh, cool | 16:34 |
| automagically | I’m happy to cede the floor, unless any of you have additional thoughts | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino after N1 they did Xenial packages | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | FYI too we now have UCA mirrors in OpenStack-Infra: http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/ubuntu-cloud-archive/dists/ | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | any work of deprecation should be properly filled with an upgrade path | 16:35 |
| palendae | ^ | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | so I'm working on a patch to consume that | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | so I'll review -1 if I don't have it :p | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | because stable | 16:35 |
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| evrardjp | :D | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | ok, moving along | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Release planning and Decisions | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | Are there any blockers for another Liberty/Mitaka release? | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | To finalise Kilo and formally EOL it I need some votes on https://review.openstack.org/336075 please. | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | no critical issue that I am aware of for L/M | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | d34dh0r53 andymccr ^ | 16:38 |
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| stevelle | d34dh0r53: out on holiday? | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | ah, I wasn't aware of that - good! :) | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | stevelle if you're happy to vote that's be great | 16:39 |
| stevelle | queued | 16:39 |
| stevelle | shouldn't take long | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to request Liberty/Mitaka releases and propose subsequent SHA bumps | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Ubuntu 1604 LTS Support | 16:40 |
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| odyssey4me | Any comments on the current status, and does anyone have any blockers? | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-ubuntu16-04 | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | for those who lost the link | 16:40 |
| eil397 | evrardjp: thanks | 16:41 |
| michaelgugino | someone can +1 the wf on my swift patch | 16:41 |
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| michaelgugino | then, we just need someone to do horizon, and that's all the major roles | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino link? | 16:42 |
| michaelgugino | we still have some bugs regarding the lxc bridge | 16:42 |
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| stevelle | I got it, upgraded my vote | 16:42 |
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| michaelgugino | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334543/ | 16:42 |
| michaelgugino | :) thanks stevell | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | ah, I see it's done | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I need to finalise https://review.openstack.org/330231 | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | please review and comment on the existing progress | 16:43 |
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| evrardjp | starred | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, we're close to time so I'm going to rather open up for discussion for any further updates/questions | 16:43 |
| michaelgugino | we need to decide if we are going to continue using our hand-built lxcbr0 bridge for xenial, or if we should use the lxc.net service | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open Discussion | 16:44 |
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| michaelgugino | those two are conflicting, and results in the lxcbr0 not coming up after a reboot | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | we should stick closer to standard IMO | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | michaelgugino if xenial has something better, let's use it | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp ++ | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | lxcbr0 is ugly right now | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | we should, where possible, do the things that a system admin would expect in a normal environment | 16:45 |
| michaelgugino | I don't know if it's better or not, just wanted to throw it back out there | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | that would require a lot of changes in the test playbooks/roles too michaelgugino | 16:45 |
| stevelle | who's child are you calling ugly? :) | 16:45 |
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| odyssey4me | stevelle that would be cloudnull's ugly child ;) | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | not calling names stevelle :D | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | that's harsh | 16:45 |
| michaelgugino | my preferences is to not manually create lxcbr0 if it's being created by a service | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | what ? | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | michaelgugino: +! | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | +1 I meant | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino agreed | 16:46 |
| michaelgugino | but, I'm behind on a couple of things and don't have the time to cut a patch right now. Maybe in a couple weeks. | 16:46 |
| logan- | I have questions about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323504/ .. what's the reason behind having all of these hostnames for each container? Backwards compat? And are they all expected to be resolvable by all hosts and containers? | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino maybe register a big for it? | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | *bug | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | michaelgugino: I'd recommend not using the lxc.net service. | 16:46 |
| stevelle | we need to develop a migration method if we want to convert | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | logan-: that's a good question | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | though I do agree lxcbr0 should be cleaned up | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | logan- oh dear, now that's an ugly baby | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | back/forward compatibility | 16:47 |
| michaelgugino | not using lxc.net I believe should be as simple as dropping an empty service file to mask it | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: is there a reason why you'd rather not use lxc.net service? | 16:47 |
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| michaelgugino | I will defer to cloudnull's judgement as he's the expert in that domain. | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino I think the security role does a service disable or two - there's likely some prior art there to learn from. | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | I mean ubuntu should do their job and provide a decent default | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | it loads the bridge into memory without an interface file. | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | so you cant restart it | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | IE ifup/down | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | you have to restart the service | 16:48 |
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| cloudnull | it also is impossible to plugin the lxc.net interface into a real network | 16:48 |
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| evrardjp | I'll inform myself on this | 16:49 |
| eil397 | not possible to bridge it ? | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | this seems a big deal | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | eil397: you cant bridge the bridge | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | logan- to your question, it would seem like we're at that stage where perhaps we should rather be building something like a dnsmasq service in a container which all the hosts talk to - then ensure that it serves the names... then at least it keeps the ugly baby in a small space | 16:49 |
| eil397 | ok. add interface to the bridge ? | 16:49 |
| logan- | I'm using an unbound role to have centralized dns resolution instead of syncing hosts. Just trying to figure out what I need to update in my unbound role (currently just syncing {{ container }} | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | logan-: that should only be executed against the physical hosts. not the containers. | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | we should use designate to add each new container into a new zone | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | in the past we had all hosts being able to resolve all hosts and containers but were doing this with the inventory names which resulted in a non-complaint hostname | 16:50 |
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| evrardjp | :D | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | eil397: i guess you could manually add an interface to the bridge. but at last check the service didnt allow you to do that | 16:51 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: ++ for the DNS service idea. | 16:52 |
| eil397 | cloudnull: thanks. interesting. i would like to look on this lxc.net service : - ) | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | rackertom was talking about something similar a while back. | 16:52 |
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| evrardjp | unbound is quite light | 16:52 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, this is one of those things we really need to take a step back and re-look at the purpose and re-imagine how to solve the goals | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | eil397: if we could achive the same thing without carrying lxcbr0 as something our lxc_host role accomplishes I'm +1 | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | logan- if you have thoughts on how to make the DNS stuff go better, and the time to put a patch up, I think we'd love to see it | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: that's cheap you could even +2! | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | that /etc/hosts based thing is becoming a nasty grinch | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | eil397: if we could achive the same thing without carrying lxcbr0 as something our lxc_host role accomplishes I'm +2 | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | :p | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | logan-: keep in mind rabbitmq and all the things *recommend* not using dns | 16:55 |
| logan- | Ok I will put that on the list. I've had good luck with the unbound stuff so far. | 16:55 |
| eil397 | cloudnull: I think +2 can be if it will be backward compat : - ) | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we're pretty much out of time | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | thanks all! | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | just a note: I'd like to make sure whatever we end up doing w/regard to DNS is ipv6 compatible/portable. | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | any further chat please move to the channel | 16:56 |
| evrardjp | thanks everyone | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull ++ | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 16:56:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-30-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-30-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | cheers | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-30-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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