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| Ivan__ | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 14:04:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Ivan__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:04 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:04 |
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| diga | o/ | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | Hi | 14:05 |
| limao | hello | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | limao: nice to see you here! | 14:06 |
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| apuimedo | diga: you too | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | I'm happy you both made it | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | who else is here | 14:06 |
| diga | Hi apuimedo | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | irenab: | 14:06 |
| diga | :) | 14:06 |
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| irenab | hi, I was sure the meeting is tomorrow | 14:07 |
| apuimedo | according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Meeting_Time | 14:07 |
| limao | I asked this, seems like the irc has not updated | 14:07 |
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| apuimedo | the meeting should be in a few hours :P | 14:07 |
| apuimedo | ivan__: hi | 14:07 |
| ivan__ | hi | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Meeting_Time | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | ivan__: it seems that I told you the even/odd week wrong | 14:08 |
| irenab | Magnum guys asked to update the table and based on the last meeting the team had, the next one supposed to be tomorrow | 14:08 |
| ivan__ | ah, ok :) | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | limao: ivan__ diga irenab: I propose we move the discussion to #openstack-kuryr | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | and end this meeting so it can be held when the wiki says | 14:09 |
| limao | ok | 14:09 |
| ivan__ | ok | 14:09 |
| diga | sure apuimedo | 14:09 |
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| apuimedo | #info the meeting is to be held at 3utc tomorrow | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | 2 | 14:09 |
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| gsagie_ | Hi all | 14:38 |
| gsagie_ | sorry for the confusion, time zone mixed up again :) | 14:38 |
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| ivan__ | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| gsagie_ | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| Ivan___ | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| jimbaker | #startmeeting | 14:59 |
| openstack | jimbaker: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:59 |
| jimbaker | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| jimbaker | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | jimbaker: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:00 |
| jimbaker | ok, looks like we have some stickiness here... | 15:00 |
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| sarob | Should be startmeeting craton | 15:01 |
| sarob | Does that work? | 15:01 |
| jimbaker | startmeeting craton | 15:01 |
| sarob | Hmm I see | 15:01 |
| sarob | Kuryr is still on | 15:01 |
| hvprash | "#startmeeting craton" ? | 15:02 |
| jimbaker | #startmeeting craton | 15:02 |
| openstack | jimbaker: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:02 |
| sarob | Yeah | 15:02 |
| jimbaker | i was looking for an override here... | 15:02 |
| sarob | It is supposed to time out | 15:02 |
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| sarob | I think that is the only option | 15:02 |
| cmspence | do we have to "#endmeeting kuryr" | 15:02 |
| jimbaker | Ivan___ started and ended the kuryr meeting | 15:03 |
| jimbaker | not certain why it's still sticking | 15:03 |
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| jimbaker | anyway, this will just mess our log collection. let's just continue for the time being | 15:03 |
| jimbaker | and we can fix that later | 15:03 |
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| sarob | Apuumedo: you still online? | 15:04 |
| jimbaker | sarob, what's the status of openstack infra move? | 15:04 |
| sarob | Apuimedo: you still online? | 15:04 |
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| jimbaker | specifically moving our repo to openstack git | 15:04 |
| sarob | I will work on it today | 15:05 |
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| sarob | Action sarob | 15:05 |
| sarob | :( | 15:05 |
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| jimbaker | sounds good, and thanks. hopefully this is fairly minor to do at this point | 15:05 |
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| sarob | Yeah it's a patch | 15:06 |
| jimbaker | i believe the latest README.rst has a reasonable mission statement | 15:06 |
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| jimbaker | "Craton supports deploying and operating OpenStack clouds by providing scalable fleet management" | 15:06 |
| * sigmavirus24 apologizes for being late | 15:06 | |
| jimbaker | sigmavirus24, no worries | 15:06 |
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| sarob | o/ | 15:07 |
| jimbaker | sarob, so please use that for any patch | 15:07 |
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| sarob | Roger | 15:07 |
| jimbaker | topic researching integration with ceph, etc | 15:07 |
| sarob | Apuimedo is the previous meeting chair btw | 15:08 |
| jimbaker | sulo, hvprash - any updates here on this? | 15:08 |
| sarob | It should timeout after about 60 minutes | 15:08 |
| antongribok | I'm working on this with hvprash | 15:08 |
| jimbaker | sarob, ack | 15:08 |
| jimbaker | which might mean now. i'll try again | 15:08 |
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| jimbaker | #startmeeting craton | 15:09 |
| openstack | jimbaker: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:09 |
| hvprash | will have our reqs by this week.. sorry | 15:09 |
| antongribok | yeah, end of this week sounds realistic :) | 15:09 |
| antongribok | and yes, apologies that I didn't get this done earlier | 15:09 |
| jimbaker | hvprash, no worries. db/identity integration is a difficult problem, although hopefully we can make it easier by being very specific :) | 15:09 |
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| jimbaker | antongribok, do you think it's best to get your reqs together first, then brainstorm? or vice versa? | 15:10 |
| jimbaker | (just want to know if we can help here or not) | 15:10 |
| jimbaker | we have come up with a number of integration patterns that we think might work for craton | 15:12 |
| hvprash | i think lets get it in our google doc and then brainstorm ? | 15:12 |
| jimbaker | hvprash, sounds good | 15:12 |
| hvprash | antongribok, r u ok with it ? | 15:12 |
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| jimbaker | i'm going to add an action item for myself then | 15:12 |
| jimbaker | action jimbaker begin doc of craton inventory integration patterns | 15:13 |
| antongribok | yeah, that sounds good :) | 15:13 |
| sarob | Btw, does anyone have client logging on? | 15:13 |
| sulo | there should already be a doc with the issue in github ? | 15:13 |
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| sarob | So we can reply this log into the record | 15:13 |
| jimbaker | antongribok, we can then combine this with the requirements - good parallel | 15:13 |
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| sulo | https://github.com/rackerlabs/craton/issues/63 | 15:13 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yes that's the issue | 15:13 |
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| sulo | at this point it might make sense to use blueprints etc in launchpad ...assuming we are using lp ? | 15:14 |
| jimbaker | sulo, +1 on blueprints for this | 15:14 |
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| hvprash | +1 | 15:14 |
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| sarob | I recommend we create a dir off root | 15:15 |
| jimbaker | in general any new work should be on openstack infra if we can be there | 15:15 |
| sarob | Spec | 15:15 |
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| apuimedo | I am | 15:15 |
| sarob | To for the blueprint details | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting kuryr | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 15:15:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-06-13-14.04.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-06-13-14.04.txt | 15:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-06-13-14.04.log.html | 15:15 |
| sarob | Thanks! | 15:15 |
| jimbaker | apuimedo, thanks | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | I did that before | 15:15 |
| jimbaker | #startmeeting craton | 15:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 15:15:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'craton' | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | I wonder why it didn't work | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | sorry about that | 15:15 |
| hvprash | we should create a crato-specs git | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | apuimedo, no worries | 15:16 |
| hvprash | *craton-specs | 15:16 |
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| sulo | hvprash: yeah that sound fine | 15:16 |
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| jimbaker | hvprash, to be honest, i'm always worried about splitting stuff up | 15:16 |
| b3rnard0 | sulo: i know sigmavirus24 wanted us to consider storyboard instead of lp. i put myself on that task to see if we should go down the storyboard route | 15:16 |
| sulo | b3rnard0: ok | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | so i really like the idea of capturing specs in git | 15:17 |
| sarob | Launchpad is simple but it works | 15:17 |
| sulo | either ways ... we should track the new work either in git or lp or storyboard | 15:17 |
| sarob | Jimbaker: me too | 15:17 |
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| jimbaker | what we can do is this workflow for such specs: blueprint -> git | 15:17 |
| sarob | +1 | 15:17 |
| cmspence | +1 | 15:17 |
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| jimbaker | then put the finalized specs in docs/source under git, so it gets built as part of the docset | 15:18 |
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| jimbaker | at some point, our docset may become too big. i don't see this as a problem yet ;) | 15:18 |
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| sarob | Jimbaker: good prob to have | 15:18 |
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| sarob | Btw, I pushed the agenda to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/craton | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | exactly. when we have that problem, we can work it. until then, one place to go for people who want to know what craton is trying to do, and does, makes sense | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | sarob, yeah, that was super helpful | 15:19 |
| sarob | Cool | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | ok, i think we can close discussion of topic 63 out for this meeting - we are going to come up with some docs in blueprints about requirements, and integration patterns | 15:20 |
| sarob | #action sarob push infra patch to move repo into OpenStack org this week | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | #action jimbaker begin doc of craton inventory integration patterns in blueprints | 15:21 |
| sarob | Jimbaker: I think you need to post my action as chair | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | #action antongribok doc requirements for https://github.com/rackerlabs/craton/issues/63 | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | #action sarob push infra patch to move repo into OpenStack org this week | 15:22 |
| sarob | Thx | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | ok, that completes those actions we agreed on | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | last topic | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | #topic review outstanding issues | 15:23 |
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| jimbaker | specifically "MVP" issues | 15:23 |
| jimbaker | https://waffle.io/rackerlabs/craton?milestone=MVP | 15:23 |
| jimbaker | so lots of progress in the last week or so | 15:23 |
| jimbaker | sulo, what's the status of osic ingest? | 15:24 |
| sulo | mostly done | 15:24 |
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| jimbaker | awesome | 15:24 |
| sulo | its something specific to rackspace and it just a script writing into the inventory | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | one thing that came in the dev meeting a week back or so, i believe gus mentioned it | 15:24 |
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| jimbaker | is that we want to use this as a model for a scalable test fleet | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | so 10, 100, 1000, 10000 hosts, etc | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | that we can programmatically build up and test our assumptions | 15:25 |
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| jimbaker | in particular, we need to do this to verify our assumptions about database modeling, and corresponding performance | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | this sounds like a blueprint to me | 15:27 |
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| jimbaker | not hearing any disagreement, i will put that as an action | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | #action jimbaker open blueprint re scalable test fleet that is programmatically built, using osic as a model | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | remaining inventory MVP issues: resolved variables and ansible inventory | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | resolved variables is basically done at the python api level, including testing; however we need to expose to REST users. that will be a separate PR from me | 15:30 |
| jimbaker | ansible inventory is the last real issue. i will be working on that this week, in conjunction with sigmavirus24 | 15:30 |
| * sigmavirus24 nods | 15:31 | |
| jimbaker | sarob, do we have a 30 min slot, or full 1 hour? | 15:31 |
| rainya | jimbaker, the wiki says full hour | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | rainya, ack. advantage of having a holiday, then vacation day for me... :) | 15:32 |
| sarob | Hour | 15:32 |
| jimbaker | so this is the week we are trying to pull the current inventory work all together, so we can demo what can be done | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | the core dev team will be having a vidyo meeting later today to discuss | 15:34 |
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| jimbaker | but in a nutshell, the concepts described in http://craton.readthedocs.io/en/latest/high-level-design.html#concepts, unless marked as WIP, are now implemented | 15:35 |
| sarob | I would like to discuss forking part of OneOps for our uses | 15:35 |
| jimbaker | sarob, sounds like a great topic | 15:35 |
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| jimbaker | #topic oneops | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oneops (Meeting topic: craton)" | 15:35 | |
| sarob | Specifically the CMS parts | 15:35 |
| sarob | VitaliyZ has joined us from the OneOps team | 15:35 |
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| sarob | Vitaliy can you give us the run down of what the CMS is | 15:36 |
| jimbaker | +1 | 15:36 |
| sarob | VitaliyZ | 15:36 |
| sarob | That is | 15:37 |
| VitaliyZ | so CMS is oneops configurations management systems | 15:37 |
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| VitaliyZ | which is basically generic object oriented db design | 15:37 |
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| VitaliyZ | generic classes and relations between them | 15:37 |
| VitaliyZ | we use it in OneOps to model every aspect of the system | 15:38 |
| jimbaker | (some discussion of overall oneops arch: http://oneops.github.io/admin/key-concepts/) | 15:38 |
| VitaliyZ | so for Inventory management we can use this part of OneOps - DB schema + API + Elastic Search integration to model/manage hw components | 15:38 |
| jimbaker | (example DDL for schema: https://github.com/oneops/db-schema/blob/master/db/kloopzcm-tables.ddl) | 15:39 |
| VitaliyZ | it's way more generic then what I can see at https://github.com/rackerlabs/craton/blob/master/doc/source/img/schema.svg | 15:39 |
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| VitaliyZ | We don't want to create a table per configuration item, this will kill you in the future | 15:40 |
| jimbaker | VitaliyZ, correct, we have intentionally not made the craton inventory generic, because we assume integration with rackspace core, openops cmdb, etc | 15:40 |
| VitaliyZ | integration on what level? API? | 15:41 |
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| jimbaker | VitaliyZ, although we have a fair amount of flexibility in sqlalchemy in terms of adding object oriented modeling. so we did this for host < device inheritance | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | VitaliyZ, so this is the integration patterns blueprint i mentioned earlier as an action item i will do this week | 15:42 |
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| jimbaker | after looking at oneops cmdb, it seemed that one possible integration point was via sqlalchemy's support for object mappers | 15:43 |
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| jimbaker | it's very similar to the capabilities seen in mybatis | 15:44 |
| VitaliyZ | We went through this strongly typed approach back at eBay where each Configuration Item had corresponding java class - not scalable | 15:44 |
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| VitaliyZ | if every time you change your model you need to do a code release - not worky | 15:44 |
| jimbaker | VitaliyZ, i understand this concern. i have seen similar approaches for other cmdb's | 15:45 |
| jimbaker | everything is modeled explicitly, etc | 15:45 |
| jimbaker | we actually are trying to avoid doing this with our model, which is based on what has scaled at rackspace | 15:46 |
| VitaliyZ | We went through this, and oneops model works perfectly at Walmart scale | 15:46 |
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| sarob | So how about I create a bp | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | VitaliyZ, what i think makes sense is to use a sqlalchemy object mapper to integrate oneops CIs against corresponding devices | 15:48 |
| sarob | On forking CMS for craton | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | sarob, sounds like a good action item | 15:48 |
| sarob | I'm all about the action items | 15:48 |
| * sarob ) | 15:49 | |
| jimbaker | #action sarob creates bp on forking oneops CMS for craton | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | :) | 15:49 |
| sulo | maybe a session on how oneops is managing these items .. i.e. how devices are modeled how configuration is modeled etc might help too | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | sarob, VitaliyZ - to me this is one of the most interesting questions we have here: how can we combine efforts here | 15:49 |
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| * sarob wondertwin powers in the form of inventory | 15:50 | |
| jimbaker | the concepts doc references oneops for its support of governance workflows, which i think are going to be an amazing integration point for users | 15:50 |
| sulo | by looking at db-schema it looks like configuratin items encompasses more in oneops model than how we have don it so far | 15:50 |
| sulo | i would love to understand hat modeling better | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | sulo, exactly. and agreed - we need to have that discussion | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | #action b3rnard0 organize a vidyo meeting to discuss specifics | 15:51 |
| sarob | Can we make sure that any side meetings get their highlights dumped into the Amal? | 15:51 |
| sarob | Serv | 15:51 |
| sarob | Mailing list that is | 15:52 |
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| jimbaker | sarob, nice typo | 15:52 |
| sarob | Spell check angry | 15:52 |
| jimbaker | sarob, i think it could make for an interesting project name... | 15:52 |
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| jimbaker | sarob, yeah, that's an extremely important point. we will do this going forward | 15:53 |
| sarob | My mistakes are golden | 15:53 |
| jimbaker | #action jimbaker dev discussions should be summarized on mailing list | 15:53 |
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| sarob | That's one of the things the TC looks at | 15:54 |
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| sarob | Public discussions | 15:54 |
| jimbaker | sarob, exactly. we need to do a better job here | 15:54 |
| jimbaker | but easy enough to do as well | 15:54 |
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| sarob | Habit | 15:54 |
| sarob | Painful openness | 15:54 |
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| jimbaker | reminders can help establish, or break, habits | 15:55 |
| sulo | VitaliyZ: is the cms modeling sitting on top of a separate device model ? | 15:55 |
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| sarob | Time check 5 mi | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | sulo, i started with https://github.com/oneops/db-schema/blob/master/db/kloopzcm-tables.ddl, and related ddl | 15:55 |
| sarob | Min | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | sulo, but we are going to have a meeting with VitaliyZ to discuss specifics | 15:55 |
| VitaliyZ | sulo Not sure I understand what device model you are talking about | 15:55 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, this is component instances (CIs) | 15:56 |
| sulo | sounds good re: meeting | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | in oneops - they are more detailed than our device model | 15:56 |
| VitaliyZ | I'm going to push to github pdf with schema design in a few mins - would be easier to grasp | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | VitaliyZ, awesome | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | #action VitaliyZ publishes oneops schema | 15:57 |
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| jimbaker | any other topics? | 15:57 |
| jimbaker | 2.5 minutes left | 15:57 |
| sarob | I'm good | 15:57 |
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| sulo | VitaliyZ: https://github.com/oneops/db-schema/blob/master/db/kloopzcm-tables.ddl seems to be managing state ? so the state for which this is managed is separate ? | 15:57 |
| sulo | anyway lets have this discussion later.. this seems like a very useful and important integration point | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | sulo, VitaliyZ - let's take this over to #craton so we can wrap up | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | sulo, agreed | 15:58 |
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| jimbaker | thanks everyone! | 15:58 |
| sarob | I've gots to jump to another gathering | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 15:58:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| sarob | Cheers! | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-06-13-15.15.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-06-13-15.15.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-06-13-15.15.log.html | 15:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, time for Ironic-neutron meeting | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 16:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | lets give a minute or so for others to join | 16:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:02 |
| hshiina | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_June_13.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : are you here? | 16:03 |
| jroll | hi! | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcements for the team? | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | lets dive into the agenda - | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Security Groups update | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | 1) I have captured the details based upon our discussion last week | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | see here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Security_Groups_support_for_Baremetal_Deployments | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Feel free to update/correct | 16:05 |
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| jroll | quick question on this | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : sure | 16:06 |
| jroll | is this going on top of the current changes, or are they being reworked to include this? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | There will be enhancement on top of one of the patches | 16:06 |
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| jroll | ok cool | 16:06 |
| amotoki | I think so too. | 16:07 |
| jroll | who's writing the RFE? :) | 16:07 |
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| * devananda comes in, a bit late | 16:07 | |
| Sukhdev | jroll : I did not know if we needed an RFE, but, I can do it - | 16:07 |
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| sambetts | read the update this morning, looks good :) | 16:07 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: new features always need one :) thanks | 16:08 |
| * jroll not sure if this needs a spec or not | 16:08 | |
| Sukhdev | jroll : most of the work is done in the neutron side - very little on the Ironic side - which I will get into in a sec | 16:08 |
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| jroll | sure | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : I will write up an RFE and ping you with the pointer | 16:09 |
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| sambetts | we need to ensure that the doc impact of the new config options is covered | 16:09 |
| jroll | thanks Sukhdev | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : good point | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : As a part of this modification, we can update it as well | 16:10 |
| amotoki | do we need the doc impact for a new config option? the config guide is generated automatically. | 16:10 |
| sambetts | amotoki: what about the install guide? | 16:10 |
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| amotoki | sambetts: we need the flag | 16:10 |
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| jroll | we should document this in the install guide, yes | 16:11 |
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| jroll | let's not spend precious meeting time arguing about docs :) | 16:11 |
| sambetts | heh true :) | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I meant update to this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228496/ | 16:11 |
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| sambetts | I just was thinking that specs document that sort of stuff | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | this spec covers the documentation - right? | 16:11 |
| jroll | sambetts: yeah, the RFE can call it out too though | 16:12 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev: are we putting the sec group stuff into that spec? | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : I was thinking - we can add a step to describe in there - yes | 16:12 |
| jroll | yes, those are the docs we will update, whether it's a separate patch or not | 16:13 |
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| jroll | "if you wish to firewall your provisioning network, blablabla" | 16:14 |
| jroll | not a big deal, can we move on to the interesting parts? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : right - that makes sense | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | Now the update on the second part - which amotoki and I worked last week (from the neutron side) | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | When I tried pass the SG port-create from Ironic driver, neutron rejected it - "not found" | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki and I worked on it and discovered that the issue with the tenant-id | 16:15 |
| amotoki | more precisely "SG not found" | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | The way devstack sets things up is as follows: | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | It creates a tenant "service" | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | when I was testing this thing, I was creating networks and SG as admin | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | and later Ironic driver sends the port-create as service tenant - hence, neutron does not find SG for service, | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | hence, the failure | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | Now, we have a question for the team - | 16:18 |
| sambetts | so we need to document that the SG is created in the right tenant? | 16:18 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: I've been looking at the devstack configuration around ironic's service user lately, and I think we should change a few things | 16:18 |
| amotoki | the point is that security groups are only visible to a same tenant. | 16:18 |
| devananda | amotoki: that makes complete sense, and implies that devstack setup should be creating a SG on both accounts | 16:19 |
| jroll | sambetts: creating the networks/SGs as the user ironic runs as seems common sense, but yeah probably worth documenting | 16:19 |
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| amotoki | it is completely worth documented | 16:19 |
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| devananda | yea, we will need to document this | 16:20 |
| devananda | and upate devstack | 16:20 |
| devananda | fwiw, here is the change I'm proposing to our devstack plugin to adjust the service account: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325599/5/devstack/lib/ironic | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | This is how ironic config looks - http://paste.openstack.org/show/508516/ | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325599/5/devstack/lib/ironic | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : so, in real life deployments, I assume admins will create these n/w and SG and users will use them | 16:23 |
| devananda | amotoki: IIUC, we would need to create security groups on the tenant that ironic uses to communicate with neutron, and another SG on the tenant that will run the actual "nova boot" command | 16:23 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: yes. we should give them examples of how to do that | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : SG for tenant n/w works just fine - I have already tested it | 16:24 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: users shouldn't be using the SG and networks that we've setup right? they should be using their own | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : only for the provisioning n/w is the issue - as Ironic driver sends this information - for tenant n/w it comes from nova | 16:24 |
| jroll | sambetts++ | 16:25 |
| amotoki | devananda: yes. IIUC the provisioning network is owned by 'service' tenant, so i think so. | 16:25 |
| devananda | to be specific, the cloud admin will need to create a service user for Ironic, and create the provisioning & cleaning neutron networks, as well as appropriate SG on those, from within that ironic service user | 16:25 |
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| amotoki | that's my understanding | 16:26 |
| devananda | we'll need to do that in devstack, and we also need to document it | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | devananda +1 | 16:26 |
| devananda | and we *also* should set up the default end-user SG in devstack, too | 16:26 |
| sambetts | and those networks and sec groups shouldn't affect the nova user at all | 16:27 |
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| amotoki | do we need to create a default end-user SG too in devstack? | 16:27 |
| sambetts | those SG are setup for us already as i understand it, it should be the same as in a VM env right | 16:27 |
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| amotoki | in my understanding it is a normal SG which nova uses. | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : yes | 16:28 |
| devananda | if it's the same SG that already exist -- great | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki devananda : the normal (default) SG will not work for BM servers | 16:28 |
| amotoki | the 'default' SG exists by default. | 16:28 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: could you elaborate more? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki : default SG deny everthing for ingress and allow everything on egress | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | this prevents the booting of the BM server | 16:29 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: we don't boot via network in the tenant network | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | when we issue port-create, if a default SG is used, the behavior I described above applies | 16:30 |
| sambetts | we don't issue prt create for the tenant network | 16:31 |
| devananda | sambetts: nova does that, right? | 16:31 |
| sambetts | devananda: up | 16:31 |
| sambetts | yup* | 16:31 |
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| amotoki | yes (or a user can create a port in advance before launching an instance) | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : as I expained earlier - tenant n/w SG works fine (nova boot --security-group <id>) | 16:32 |
| -amotoki- time check: 30 mins we spent 30 mins on SG stuff. is it planned? | 16:32 | |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki : thanks for the reminder | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | just to wrap it up - the default SG will not work - we need one for provisioning n/w which allows ingress and egress premissions so the BM can PXE boot from TFTP server | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | and for tenant n/w user can define and specify in nova boot - which works just fine - when the BM boots up and is available for use | 16:34 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: confirmation: what you talk about are provisioning/cleaning networks. I think the default SG works for users. | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki : right - we are in sync | 16:35 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: yeah | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | Does this make sense to everybody? are we good with this? | 16:35 |
| sambetts | and we don't need to create a custom tenant SG in devstack? the existing ones should be fine? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : no - we need to address that | 16:36 |
| jroll | sambetts: for tenants, we'll need 'allow ssh' but I think that's default in devstack | 16:36 |
| sambetts | jroll: cool, thats what I thought :) | 16:36 |
| jroll | for provisioning/cleaning, we'll need allow dhcp/tftp/tcp6385 | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll +1 | 16:37 |
| amotoki | +1 | 16:37 |
| sambetts | *thumbs up* | 16:37 |
| jroll | I really wish we'd focus on the existing work though, before we focus on security groups, etc | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : moving on to the real work - which is the next one on the agenda | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: update on integration/testing of patches | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | I have updated my test setup last week with all new patches - | 16:38 |
| jroll | so as a note, grenade testing is now non-voting in the check queue as of last week - which was the major thing we wanted to block on here \o/ | 16:38 |
| sambetts | \o/ | 16:39 |
| devananda | :-D | 16:39 |
| * devananda is eager to revisit testing this work, now that grenade is up | 16:39 | |
| jroll | as a :( note, nearly everything is in merge conflict status now https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bug/1526403 | 16:39 |
| vsaienko | jroll, Sukhdev: I'm going to rebase patches tomorrow if you do not mind | 16:40 |
| jroll | vsaienko: ++ | 16:40 |
| devananda | vsaienko: +1 here | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko :+1 | 16:40 |
| jroll | I will review them tomorrow, this is once again highest priority for ironic now | 16:40 |
| * sambetts plans on pushing a new version of the nova PG patch tomorrow | 16:40 | |
| mjturek1 | sambetts: I was actually working on that | 16:40 |
| jroll | sambetts: nice, thank you | 16:40 |
| mjturek1 | at least rebasing it and handling the comments | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko : I noticed couple of issues - let me explain - if we can address as part of rebase | 16:41 |
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| sambetts | mjturek1: Oh cool, if your on top of it then +1 I'll get reviewing then, are you handling the config_drive stuff? | 16:41 |
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| mjturek1 | looking into it, sambetts could I ping you later about it? | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko : so, the order in which the patches are applied has become important now | 16:42 |
| sambetts | mjturek1: Sure | 16:42 |
| mjturek1 | thx :) | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | like I mentioned, the order in which these patches are applied has become important now | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | I ran into the issue with "network_interface" vs. "network_provider" | 16:43 |
| jroll | do we still have the old one somewhere? | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | and then after spending many cycles and bugging devananda, later realized that one patch deprecates it | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : right | 16:44 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: did you leave a comment on the patch? | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko : when you rebase, can you please mark the ones that are not valid as abandoned | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : no - wanted to check with the team to make sure I was not making mistake - hence, I am bringing it up here - so, that no body else wastes time the way I did | 16:45 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: which patch has the wrong value? | 16:45 |
| jroll | er, wrong variable name? | 16:45 |
| vsaienko | Sukhdev: I think that we moved to network_interface everywhere | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | one of these - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317390/4/ironic/dhcp/neutron.py and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/53/ironic/dhcp/neutron.py | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | So, what I was going to ask the team is that lets take out the one's are no valid anymore and mark them abandoned | 16:47 |
| jroll | vsaienko: I assume https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/53 isn't needed, that got split up, right? | 16:48 |
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| sambetts | vsaienko: that looks like it still covers a large chunk of the actual logic additoon | 16:49 |
| sambetts | jroll: ^ | 16:49 |
| jroll | sambetts: I think this is the replacement: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/53 | 16:49 |
| vsaienko | jroll: it is needed | 16:50 |
| jroll | er | 16:50 |
| jroll | those are the same, wtf | 16:50 |
| sambetts | ? thats the same patch | 16:50 |
| jroll | ignore me :) | 16:50 |
| sambetts | heh :-P | 16:50 |
| sambetts | I think its just the earlier PSs | 16:50 |
| sambetts | aren't broken out | 16:50 |
| * jroll is unclear where Sukhdev is seeing network_provider | 16:51 | |
| sambetts | I would like to ensure that this patch gets high priorty because it affects the nova driver work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325197/ | 16:51 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: you have this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297895/2/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : to be honest, now I am confused as hell as well :-):-) | 16:51 |
| jroll | good, not just me | 16:52 |
| jroll | anyway, that'll get picked up in review | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | So, I was going to make a suggestion - | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | as vsaienko is going to rebase these patches, if we can mark the ones that are needed as abandoned | 16:53 |
| amotoki | I think sambetts's one 325197 is important. it is related to nova work. | 16:53 |
| jroll | yes, you mentioned that :) | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | and if the order matters, if we can update the comments on the patches, it will help others | 16:54 |
| devananda | if the order matters, that should be reflected in the commit dependency order | 16:54 |
| devananda | also, please ensure all relevant patches share the same gerrit topic | 16:55 |
| devananda | I see the one by zhenguo niu that jroll just linked has the topic "master" | 16:55 |
| jroll | sam linked that, but yeah | 16:55 |
| sambetts | after a correct rebase you should just be able to apply the top of the tree of commits for ironic, python-ironicclient and nova and everything should then be correct | 16:55 |
| devananda | sambetts: exactly | 16:56 |
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| sambetts | #link I would like to ensure that this patch gets high priorty because it affects the nova driver work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325197/ | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | Lastly, I have been trying to keep the list of updated patches in the agenda of this meeting wiki - please update it as well | 16:56 |
| jroll | if we keep the same topic on them, it's only one link :) | 16:56 |
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| devananda | jroll: bah. yes. I fail at reading :) | 16:56 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: are they listed in the order of priority? | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki : not really | 16:57 |
| amotoki | nova non-priority feature freeze is two weeks away, so dependencies should be prioritize I think from the project management perspective. | 16:57 |
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| sambetts | ++ I've proposed a session to the ironic midcycle in 1 week which is a group review lets get these things merged session | 16:58 |
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| jroll | we need nearly all of the ironic and ironicclient patches to make the nova stuff work, it's mostly in a single chain, prioritize in the order of the chain :) | 16:59 |
| jroll | sambetts: my goal is to undermine you and get them merged before the midcycle :D | 16:59 |
| sambetts | ;) all the better | 16:59 |
| jroll | 20 second warning | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : thanks | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | we are almost out of time - | 17:00 |
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| jroll | thanks y'all | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for attending folks | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| sambetts | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| amotoki | thanks | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 17:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-06-13-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-06-13-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-06-13-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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