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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 13:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| oomichi_ | hi | 13:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | i guess people still in jetlag | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:03 |
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| sfinucan | o/ | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | let say remove legacy v2 API first? | 13:04 |
| oomichi_ | +1 :-) | 13:04 |
| jichen | +1 | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: and i already sent out some patches | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-legacy-v2-api-code | 13:05 |
| oomichi_ | not only nova, but also devstack | 13:05 |
| oomichi_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/topic:bp/remove-legacy-v2-api-code | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | is there any order people concerned? I'm think of removing the api-paste.ini entry first, that stop user using the legacy v2 api first. Then we remove legacy v2 code piece by piece | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi_: ah, cool, also the merged one, the legacy v2 gate job, thanks for that :) | 13:06 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: yeah, we can remove api-paste.ini now | 13:07 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I left a comment on your patch removing the paste bits | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, as long as we get it done quickly, the order isn't too important | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 sdague's comment on that patch | 13:07 |
| sdague | I'd like to have a unit test to understand what the user sees if they forgot to update paste.ini | 13:07 |
| sdague | I also updated the api dashboard to look for this blueprint - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312475/ | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea, good point on that patch, I think I should add log in pipeline_facotry method instead of removing the pipeline_factory directly. | 13:08 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, maybe, as long as we understand what the behavior is, and it's something that the admin will understand and be able to fix | 13:08 |
| sdague | the ec2 remove from enabled_apis was a little rougher than we would have liked | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: ok, got it, i will update the patch. | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | I think we should remove paste entry before breaking the legacy v2 api code | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | after that we can free to remove legacy v2 api code, just ensure the tests passed. | 13:10 |
| sdague | yep | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we have to, it sounds sensible | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | after legacy v2 code removed, there can be some cleanup in the wsgi stack. | 13:11 |
| sdague | getting the paste entry removed, and the failure if it's still there sensible seems like the primary step. After that we can just delete a bunch of stuff. | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | one more question, what kind of test we expected on v2.1 compat mode? | 13:12 |
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| oomichi_ | alex_xu: meaning additionalProperties:True mode? | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we not OK with all the existing testing? | 13:13 |
| sdague | I think the existing testing is probably fine | 13:13 |
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| alex_xu | the api sample test still run with v2.1 compat mode, the nova/tests/functional/test_servers run under compat mode, and other functional test is not. | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: yup | 13:14 |
| sdague | we've got functional testing for the APIs in tree with the samples, the only differences between it and the v2.1 code should be in that layer | 13:14 |
| sdague | I'm sure there are ways to enhance it further, but it's been fine up until this point | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we also removing the extensions config for v2.1, maybe I am getting ahead of the list now? | 13:14 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I think we decided that's a spec | 13:15 |
| sdague | for communication as much as anything else | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: gotcha | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I remember that conversation now... vaguely | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | ok, that is another question, but i got clearly now | 13:16 |
| sdague | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-api L96 | 13:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | in my head that change affects the samples testing, hence the quick check | 13:16 |
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| alex_xu | yes, probably need gmann's sample test merging work first | 13:17 |
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| alex_xu | who is going to write that spec? | 13:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if I don't write it, I can help +2 it | 13:18 |
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| alex_xu | if no-one, let me help it. | 13:19 |
| sdague | I might get to it, but it will be a couple of weeks, because we really do need to stay focussed on api-ref and policy | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | ok, looks like api-ref and policy is more priority than that | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | so let me try first. | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like the correct call | 13:21 |
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| alex_xu | so looks like cool at here. let's move on | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | api policy discovery | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290155/ | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | we said only need this one in newton? | 13:22 |
| mriedem | looks like alaski and dhellmann need to sort that one out | 13:22 |
| mriedem | otherwise i was more or less ok with it | 13:23 |
| sdague | yeh, we should just keep on top of it, I think I need to take one more pass on it | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | likewise, I like the way its going, just nits | 13:23 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure if dhellmann is asking that we bake a bunch of new stuff into an oslo lib | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | still implement in nova first, not oslo? | 13:23 |
| mriedem | because it would be easier for nova to do this thing first and split it out later | 13:23 |
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| alex_xu | ok, got it | 13:24 |
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| sdague | ok, probably a todo to sort out where that one stands | 13:24 |
| sdague | to make sure we get to approval soon | 13:24 |
| mriedem | it needs a rev anyway | 13:24 |
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| mriedem | but it would be good to have an agreement between alaski and dhellmann | 13:25 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289405/6/specs/newton/approved/discoverable-policy-api.rst is a bit more problematic. I think we decided on a very different approach during the session, but I'm not sure that claudio_ was there | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yes, the nova-manage command idea | 13:25 |
| sdague | right | 13:25 |
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| sdague | I can provide that group feedback into the spec today | 13:26 |
| mriedem | hopefully the notes are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-api | 13:26 |
| sdague | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-api L28-L41 | 13:26 |
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| mriedem | yeah | 13:26 |
| sdague | L35 is the most relevant | 13:26 |
| mriedem | new policy language | 13:26 |
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| alex_xu | at line 35 | 13:26 |
| sdague | Decision: no, not in Newton. Build the infra and be able to see it in nova-manage. | 13:26 |
| mriedem | build it into nova-manage | 13:26 |
| mriedem | yup | 13:26 |
| sdague | Decision: don't munge this with capabilities, this is a permission check. +1 | 13:26 |
| mriedem | i would have gotten there eventually :) i need to write the recap for the api session today | 13:27 |
| sdague | :) | 13:27 |
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| sdague | #action sdague to provide session feedback to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289405 spec | 13:27 |
| cdent | sdague, awesome, because I'm struggling to parse the etherpad | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | quick question... | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool, thanks | 13:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | actually is dumb question, ignore me, was thinking about whats needed to unblock live-reize | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is a dependency, but its not the end of the road, thats all | 13:28 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right, we said, previously, it was discoverable capabilities | 13:28 |
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| sdague | which this is all ground work for | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | you could expose that via permissions, but thats messy | 13:29 |
| sdague | we specifically said we wouldn't do that | 13:29 |
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| sdague | Decision: don't munge this with capabilities, this is a permission check. +1 | 13:30 |
| sdague | L36 | 13:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, I was meaning deployers might change permissions due to known capabilities, but yeah, its not an assumption we want in the API | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | i still confuse on the policy discovery and capabilities discovery. I found we always talk about them together, but I thought they are diffrent things. | 13:30 |
| sdague | alex_xu: they are | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | does it work vs can i do it | 13:30 |
| sdague | but capabilities are hard to do without the policy being fully known in advance (which it is not) | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | ok, cool, looks like i'm same page with people | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1, this is a needed stop on that journey | 13:31 |
| sdague | because the two intersect in some cases, where the cloud can in theory do X, but the admin wants to prevent it | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think claudio_ was hoping this spec would un block his live-resize, hence my query | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | just a heads up there | 13:32 |
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| sdague | so it makes no sense to expose can:live-resize to the user, they try, then get a 403 | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | ah, i got it now, sdague thanks | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: agreed | 13:32 |
| sdague | or, it can make sense, but it's mostly very frustrating | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | ack, both for the deployer and the user | 13:33 |
| sdague | so if we fix permissions being fully explicit, then we can address the rest of it on top of that | 13:33 |
| cdent | I assume throughout this people being conscious of the fact that any one human operating a user-agent may have multiple identities with the service | 13:33 |
| cdent | so they need to be able to know "if you change who you are you might be able to do this" | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | after we have policy discovery, that is kind of thing instead of extension? | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: we were generally talking per token, I think | 13:34 |
| sdague | cdent: right, per token, which is really per tenant in the policy conversation | 13:34 |
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| cdent | cool, just checkin' | 13:35 |
| sdague | alex_xu: more or less, but that's all next cycle | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, want to know how people think about that, as we said no extension. but there is something make people can do something | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | s/something/same thing/ | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | so we can move on? | 13:36 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh | 13:36 |
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| alex_xu | Let's talk about api ref | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | sdague: what is next plan | 13:37 |
| sdague | well, first off, a bunch of open patches out there - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/file:api-ref+project:openstack/nova+status:open | 13:37 |
| sdague | jichen is doing a bunch of great work here, very thankful of that | 13:37 |
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| sdague | we need more folks diving in though | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | jichen: thanks! | 13:37 |
| jichen | alex_xu: sdague : :) | 13:38 |
| sdague | next Mon & Wed we'll do some doc sprints to try to push through as much as possible | 13:38 |
| mriedem | #link api-ref review sprint dev thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093844.html | 13:38 |
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| sdague | I've got some todos once we get the content close about microversions, and changing the way we represent urls | 13:38 |
| sdague | How about I follow up to mriedem's post with the details there so people can see the longer term steps here | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 13:39 |
| mriedem | maybe separate thread if it's not about reviews? | 13:39 |
| mriedem | i'd only follow up with review tips to my thread | 13:40 |
| sdague | mriedem: sure, sounds good | 13:40 |
| mriedem | this is what to expect, this is what to chec, etc | 13:40 |
| mriedem | *check | 13:40 |
| sdague | I'll follow up on your thread with that, I'll wait until post sprint to evaluate and say next steps | 13:40 |
| sdague | I'll probably write something today to assess how many outstanding items we've got in our checklist | 13:41 |
| sdague | I updated the nova-api dashboard to put API ref at the top | 13:41 |
| sdague | to try to score everything there first, as it should be easy | 13:41 |
| sdague | any other questions there? | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | nothing fro me | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | s/fro/from/ | 13:43 |
| mriedem | link to the dashboard? | 13:43 |
| mriedem | or is that in a wiki somewhere? | 13:43 |
| mriedem | or etherpad | 13:43 |
| sdague | mriedem: it's just in the repo, I can add it to the wiki | 13:45 |
| mriedem | mikal thanks you already | 13:45 |
| sdague | or figure out a way to get these dashboards on stable urls | 13:45 |
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| mriedem | there is 14 minutes left with a few more items, so let's move on | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | ok | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | Deprecated API Proxy | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312209/ | 13:46 |
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| mriedem | i plan to review that soon | 13:46 |
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| mriedem | we have notes in the session etherpad | 13:47 |
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| sdague | yeh, I think that mostly matches the session | 13:47 |
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| alex_xu | ok, only thing need is review | 13:47 |
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| alex_xu | if no more question, then move on? | 13:48 |
| sdague | yep | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | #topic Open | 13:48 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: you have items for open I think | 13:48 |
| cdent | yeah, I am after eyes and feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305800/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300077/ | 13:49 |
| mriedem | did you guys already go over the legacy v2 api removal? | 13:49 |
| cdent | the main concern is how best to document the change and ensure that it is kosher | 13:49 |
| cdent | mriedem: that was first | 13:49 |
| mriedem | d'oh! | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, in the beginning of the meeting | 13:49 |
| mriedem | ok | 13:49 |
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| sdague | I have on my todo list a few more specs to write up: deprecating some unused, unusable REST APIs; remove of bookmark links; update for the flavor by server spec; | 13:50 |
| cdent | I know that the microversion change isn't a priority, but it is a) basically done b) pretty lightweight, so may as well push it along if people have some spare cycles | 13:50 |
| cdent | my implementation is probably a bit incomplete, due to my inexperience with nova api changes, so feedback will make things happen | 13:50 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh, I'll put the spec up for review. I think it's mostly going to be about a usage section in api-ref on microversions | 13:51 |
| sdague | starred that spec to look later | 13:51 |
| cdent | thanks | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | ah, good point, probably a lot of microversion doc need update | 13:52 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311529/ is the metadata casing proposed fix | 13:52 |
| sdague | which was talked about late on friday, and mriedem did a good job pointing out the bits I messed up in draft 1 | 13:52 |
| sdague | draft 2 should be a lot more explicit | 13:52 |
| sdague | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/29/311529/3/check/gate-nova-specs-docs/7f935cf//doc/build/html/specs/newton/approved/lowercase-metadata-keys.html | 13:53 |
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| alex_xu | cool, another fix for mess stuff | 13:54 |
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| cdent | oh, before I forget, mriedem had said something about wanting it to be easier to explore what gabbi is, so I made this: https://gist.github.com/cdent/d70015ac6fffbbd3cd80a771e197bf36 | 13:55 |
| alex_xu | if no more question, I probably go to end the meeting early? | 13:55 |
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| cdent | it's a shell script that automatically starts up and automatic demo | 13:55 |
| cdent | s/and/an/ | 13:55 |
| cdent | in case anyone is interested or curious | 13:56 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: cool | 13:56 |
| sdague | cool | 13:56 |
| sdague | cdent: oh, last thing, I looked at the resource pools API spec this morning | 13:56 |
| sdague | and I wonder if now is the time to split the CLI as well | 13:56 |
| cdent | it only covers the very basics, mostly of the syntax, not of how to integrate with testing harness and fixtures | 13:56 |
| sdague | so we don't have to do that late in the game | 13:57 |
| cdent | sdague: yeah I read that | 13:57 |
| cdent | I think you're probably right | 13:57 |
| sdague | and take a bunch of novaclient gorp with it | 13:57 |
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| cdent | I haven't even begun to think that about the cli yet... | 13:57 |
| cdent | s/that// | 13:57 |
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| mriedem | split the cli as in for the new placement api? | 13:57 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh | 13:58 |
| mriedem | and put it where? new thing or osc? | 13:58 |
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| sdague | probably a new thing entirely | 13:58 |
| * alex_xu will cut the meeting on time, but now people can just free to talk | 13:58 | |
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| sdague | I guess it could be an osc plugin, which would be fine | 13:58 |
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| sdague | but not in nova cli for sure, because that will be one more bit of split challenge | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 13:59:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-04-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-04-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-04-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | thanks all | 13:59 |
| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 13:59:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 13:59 |
| acabot | hi guys | 13:59 |
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| alexchadin | hi | 13:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 13:59 |
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| sballe_ | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jed56 | (0-0) | 14:00 |
| acabot | our heavy agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#05.2F04.2F2016 | 14:00 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #info openstack Summit last week in Austin, all discussions in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-newton-design-session | 14:01 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | a lot things to discuss:) | 14:01 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #info Watcher talk available on YouTube and Slideshare, of course, feel free to share them across social networks | 14:02 |
| acabot | #info we had discussions with Monasca & Congress as we could have some overlap with these 2 projects | 14:03 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:04 |
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| acabot | #info we will add a new timeslot for our weekly meeting separating odd and even weeks | 14:04 |
| acabot | this will be easier for asian people to join this meeting every 2 weeks | 14:05 |
| acabot | #action acabot fin a new timeslot for Watcher meeting on odd weeks | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | acabot: How do you suggest we move forward with discussing the possible overlap with Monasca and Congress? Also do we care? Not everybody will have Monasca. | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | I am just interested in us understanding where all the project overlap and then decide on who is doing what | 14:06 |
| tkaczynski | sballe_ I guess we care about mission statement etc. we might not become big tent if there is overlap or something | 14:06 |
| acabot | #info we agreed to propose Watcher for the big tent in May to clarify our mission | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | and if overlap is okay or if we can work together | 14:06 |
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| hvprash | sballe_ from walmart we are trying to evaluate all the solutions and coral a unified solution | 14:07 |
| jed56 | sballe_: in my opinion we have a different approach than Congress | 14:07 |
| acabot | sballe_ : my point is that for now, we will let TC members decide if there is an overlap in our missions, then if we enter the big tent, we will start working with them | 14:07 |
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| sballe_ | perfect | 14:07 |
| tpeoples | the TC has stated in the past that competition isn't forbidden under the big tent, haven't they? | 14:08 |
| jwcroppe | jed56: +1 ... but there is some alerting overlap (read: triggers for optimization), but I think it's minor | 14:08 |
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| acabot | jwcroppe : does is makes sense to you ? | 14:08 |
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| jwcroppe | tpeoples: right | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | yes they have :) | 14:08 |
| dronshaw | tpeoples: correct | 14:08 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: +1 | 14:08 |
| acabot | tpeoples : yes they did it for the monitoring but it was because ceilometer didn't work | 14:08 |
| jed56 | jwcroppe: I agree | 14:09 |
| vmahe | I agree with Jed. You could trigger Watcher audits with Congress whenever some conditions are met. Watcher aims at providing deeper analysis strategies. | 14:09 |
| vincentfrancoise | vmahe: +1 | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | vmahe: I agree with you. I would like to add watcher+congress integration sooner rather than later | 14:09 |
| jed56 | we could create policies in congress | 14:09 |
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| sballe_ | so we don;t have to have this discussion again with Congress inthe fall | 14:10 |
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| acabot | I think everybody should read this doc from the congress team https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit#heading=h.wy2kqfa4vhs2 and give its feedback in our next meeting | 14:10 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: will do | 14:10 |
| jed56 | acabot: +2 | 14:11 |
| acabot | I really think we have a different approach in Watcher but I'd like to have everybody agree | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | acabot: will do | 14:11 |
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| acabot | #action jwcroppe jed56 alexchadin sballe_ read https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit#heading=h.wy2kqfa4vhs2 and give feedback to the team | 14:11 |
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| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:12 |
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| acabot | very quick review on specs | 14:12 |
| alexchadin | I forgot to tell | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | Add Overload standard deviation strategy spec is already megred | 14:13 |
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| jed56 | acabot: +2 | 14:13 |
| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ needs reviews | 14:13 |
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| acabot | we really need reviews from core on https://review.openstack.org/301774 as the code is ready to be merged | 14:14 |
| acabot | #action jwcroppe acabot sballe_ review asap https://review.openstack.org/301774 | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | I will do so today ;-) | 14:14 |
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| acabot | I also have 2 new specs submitted by Greg from Intel, Greg are you there ? | 14:15 |
| GregoryKatsaros | Yes, Hi | 14:15 |
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| acabot | hi Greg, so are your specs ready to be reviewed ? | 14:16 |
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| GregoryKatsaros | yes are ready | 14:16 |
| acabot | cause today your BPs are not in top priority | 14:16 |
| GregoryKatsaros | we are working on the code at the moment. Have not submitted anything | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | I'll review them today. GregoryKatsaros they are the graph model stuff right? | 14:16 |
| acabot | but its great to have specs already | 14:16 |
| GregoryKatsaros | are the graph model and the action plans consolidation | 14:17 |
| jed56 | I can read the spec next week | 14:17 |
| acabot | greg, do you plan to deliver the code also on this 2 BPs ? | 14:17 |
| GregoryKatsaros | for the graph we plan it. we are considering for the consolidation | 14:17 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ jed56 review specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:17 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : tomasz, I think it would be great to have your feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:18 |
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| tkaczynski | acabot: ok, I can have a look | 14:18 |
| jed56 | sballe_: do you think that thjis can take a look ? | 14:19 |
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| acabot | #action tkaczynski review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:19 |
| GregoryKatsaros | Thijs, has already reviewed that internally | 14:19 |
| acabot | ok thx | 14:19 |
| GregoryKatsaros | we wrote that together | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | yes just put him on and I'll let him know he has an action item when I send out the minutes notes | 14:19 |
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| acabot | moving to Watcher code | 14:20 |
| jed56 | sballe_: great | 14:20 |
| jed56 | GregoryKatsaros: okay | 14:20 |
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| sballe_ | GregoryKatsaros: we also want him to +1 it | 14:20 |
| acabot | There are a lot of code reviews open | 14:20 |
| acabot | and there is bunch of it related to get-goal-from-strategy https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy | 14:21 |
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| acabot | this code have been reviewed by 2 cores on bcom side but we need another core reviewer | 14:21 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: is known when all of this will be merged? there are a lot of changes and I think many people might be affected | 14:22 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : this is exactly why I want to have this code merged asap | 14:22 |
| jed56 | IMO, we will merge this implementation next week. | 14:22 |
| acabot | it will impact others contributors | 14:22 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:22 |
| jed56 | We can't keep these patchets open more time :) | 14:22 |
| tkaczynski | it would be also good to communicate that this is merged, maybe on the meeting next week? | 14:23 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:23 |
| acabot | so I propose to merge it next monday with 2 cores from bcom, does anyone has a problem with that ? | 14:23 |
| jed56 | before the next meeting :) | 14:23 |
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| acabot | #info get-goal-from-strategy will be merged next monday | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | acabot: Fine with me | 14:24 |
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| acabot | we have 2 strategies currently in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:24 |
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| acabot | on Watcher client side | 14:25 |
| acabot | a BP has been submitted to support the official unified openstack CLI | 14:25 |
| acabot | and code is already available for review thx vincentfrancoise https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | I'll review some of them | 14:26 |
| acabot | #action alexchedin review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin | 14:26 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | Review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ is very appreciate :) | 14:27 |
| acabot | on Watcher dashboard, there is a review open related to get-goal-from-strategy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301516/ | 14:28 |
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| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:28 |
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| jed56 | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ | 14:28 |
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| acabot | #info as we will propose Watcher for the big tent, we will assign an essential BP to each contributor to Watcher for our next milestone (Newton-1) | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:29 |
| acabot | #info next milestone is Newton-1 (May 30th) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher | 14:29 |
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| acabot | alexchadin proposed to take https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/continuously-optimization as the one for servionica | 14:30 |
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| acabot | tpeoples : you were interested in this BP, can alexchadin work on it ? | 14:31 |
| hvprash | acabot question on milestone. so does that include the code to be ready for review by May 30th. I am owning one of the blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters | 14:31 |
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| tpeoples | yes, that is fine acabot and alexchadin. i am focusing on the other BP, so feel free | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | cabot: this will involve listening on the Monasca/ceilomter message bus. right? | 14:32 |
| acabot | hvprash : at least specs merged | 14:32 |
| hvprash | ok, got it | 14:32 |
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| hvprash | sorry, if it was a stupid question since this is my first one ;) | 14:32 |
| alexchadin | tpeoples: great. thanks! | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin submit specs for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/continuously-optimization | 14:32 |
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| sballe_ | hvprash: stupid questions do not exist | 14:32 |
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| acabot | hvprash : not at all | 14:33 |
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| acabot | #info we have 7 BPs targeted as essential for Newton-1 (6 partners assigned and 1 free) | 14:33 |
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| acabot | #info there is a new BP on watcher CLI to improve tempest coverage on the new openstack CLI https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-watcherclient/+spec/tempest-cli-test | 14:35 |
| acabot | anyone wants to take it ? | 14:35 |
| acabot | hvprash : you have set your BP as discussion state, any question about it ? | 14:35 |
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| hvprash | yes, i have some questions. So i did setup a devstack working env. Trying to recreate the issue and understand | 14:36 |
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| hvprash | i was able to create a alarm template and trying to test the p[ersistency issue we are trying to fix | 14:37 |
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| hvprash | we can discuss this in watcher channel too due to time limitaiton | 14:37 |
| hvprash | need some inputs though | 14:37 |
| acabot | the problem we have here is that when you create an audit template and then build an audit with this template, if in the future you change the original template, your audit will have a consistency issue | 14:38 |
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| acabot | but yes lets discuss it on our IRC channel in more details | 14:38 |
| vincentfrancoise | hvprash: FYI, I can help you on #openstack-watcher if you want | 14:38 |
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| hvprash | vincentfrancoise awesome, will work you then | 14:39 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:39 |
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| hvprash | acabot sballe_ i am talking to ramki from dell next week on the congress + policy based scheduling | 14:39 |
| acabot | #info there are some interesting talks from the summit that I'd like to share https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/enforcing-application-slas-with-congress-and-monasca & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxcfM9tSh7Y | 14:39 |
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| hvprash | if interested can send you the invites | 14:40 |
| sballe_ | hvprash: cool! how can I/we help | 14:40 |
| sballe_ | hvprash: yes please | 14:40 |
| hvprash | sballe acabot : we are trying to find where thats headed | 14:40 |
| acabot | hvprash : did you see this email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093826.html ? | 14:41 |
| hvprash | acabot, thx. i missed that | 14:41 |
| hvprash | will go through it | 14:41 |
| acabot | its a quick recap from Congress PTL but there are no actions yet | 14:41 |
| acabot | sballe_ : I will not be able to attend the congress IRC meeting tomorrow | 14:42 |
| acabot | sballe_ : can you go ? | 14:42 |
| hvprash | acabot, as we discussed earlier there was another effort from cisco sometime back on solverscheduler.. so lot of parallel efforts | 14:42 |
| acabot | sballe_ : just to check if there is any action related to us ? | 14:42 |
| sballe_ | no I have a full day of meeting. Can joe go? | 14:42 |
| acabot | hvprash : I dont want to tell the full story again...we decided to build this project because there is no way to improve the Nova scheduler | 14:43 |
| hvprash | :) | 14:44 |
| sballe_ | acabot: +1 | 14:44 |
| acabot | so we decided to build Watcher as a project that uses Nova scheduler as it is | 14:44 |
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| acabot | #info Valet is an interesting initiative coming from AT&T to try to do resource optimization at Heat level | 14:45 |
| acabot | unfortunately code is not open source right now | 14:46 |
| acabot | and it seems to be focused on telco use cases | 14:46 |
| hvprash | for NFV etc ? | 14:46 |
| acabot | but we need to keep an eye on it | 14:46 |
| jed56 | +1 , agree they seems to focus on network topologies | 14:46 |
| tpeoples | acabot: are they periodically optimizing the environment or was it making more intelligent initial placement decisions? | 14:46 |
| acabot | yes mostly to guarantee NFV performances | 14:46 |
| hvprash | will try to get some details from comcast too ;) | 14:47 |
| acabot | tpeoples : I think so, but you should look at the presentation (20 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxcfM9tSh7Y | 14:47 |
| acabot | sballe_ : can you share details about our next mid-cycle ? | 14:48 |
| dronshaw | acabot: I had spoken to Joe about Valet at the summit and thought there were plans to open source soon, not positive on that | 14:48 |
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| acabot | dronshaw : yes, Joe said that they will test it on their infra before, my concern is that they will deliver a full stack of software and it will be hard for the community to jump in | 14:49 |
| sballe_ | acabot sure. It will be in Hillsboro, OR and the dates are 7/19-20 and maybe a half day on the 21 | 14:50 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : ok can you register an event on eventbrite or you want me to do it ? | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | yes will do | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | If I need help I will ping you since I haven't done it before | 14:51 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ register mid-cycle meetup details on eventbrite | 14:51 |
| acabot | no pb | 14:51 |
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| acabot | pav0 : you want to talk about puppet recipe for Watcher ? | 14:51 |
| pav0 | acabot: hi, yes | 14:51 |
| dronshaw | acabot: completely understand | 14:52 |
| acabot | so dtardivel is our maintainer for Watcher repositories so I suggest he creates the puppet repo | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:52 |
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| acabot | but he is away until monday | 14:52 |
| pav0 | acabot: +1 | 14:52 |
| acabot | is it ok for you to wait until next monday ? | 14:53 |
| pav0 | acabot: no problem :) | 14:53 |
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| acabot | great | 14:53 |
| pav0 | acabot: I just start working on it | 14:53 |
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| acabot | #action dtardivel create a puppet repo for Watcher | 14:53 |
| acabot | anything you need to have on the CI ? | 14:53 |
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| acabot | pav0 : dtardivel will come back to you on our IRC channel for details on Monday | 14:55 |
| acabot | any other discussion ? | 14:55 |
| pav0 | acabot: should I parametrize all variables | 14:55 |
| pav0 | available in watcher.conf file | 14:55 |
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| vincentfrancoise | pav0: I can also help for project setup if you have questions | 14:55 |
| pav0 | or should I parametrize only the main variables like connection etc | 14:55 |
| jed56 | yes you should :) | 14:56 |
| pav0 | vincentfrancoise: okey, I will write to you | 14:56 |
| jed56 | you should parametrize all variables | 14:56 |
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| pav0 | jed56: ok. Some variables in puppet-nova are not parametrize, so I wonder if I should do the same or not | 14:57 |
| acabot | ok dtardivel has experience with puppet so he will give our needs | 14:57 |
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| acabot | thx pav0 | 14:58 |
| jed56 | pav0: IMHO, we have less variable than nova :) | 14:58 |
| acabot | time to end the meeting | 14:58 |
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| acabot | thank you guys, have a good day / night | 14:58 |
| tpeoples | you too | 14:59 |
| hvprash | thx, bye | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| pav0 | jed56: not so. I reviewed watcher.conf.sample and there is a lot variables xD | 14:59 |
| pav0 | you yoo | 14:59 |
| sballe_ | bye | 14:59 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:59 |
| pav0 | you too | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 14:59:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-04-13.59.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-04-13.59.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-04-13.59.log.html | 14:59 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 16:30:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| inc0 | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| inc0 | good morning;) show of hands guys! | 16:30 |
| mlima | i'm here :) | 16:30 |
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| Jeffrey4l | \o/ | 16:30 |
| vhosakot | \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ | 16:30 |
| pbourke | hey | 16:31 |
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| britthouser | 0/ | 16:31 |
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| eghobo | o/ | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | #topic Announcements | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:31 | |
| schwarzm | . | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | summit last week took it's toll | 16:32 |
| britthouser | +1 | 16:32 |
| sdake | hey folks rq, inc0 is going to organize today's meeting, I have a persoanl conflict - bbi2 hours or so | 16:32 |
| inc0 | cya sdake | 16:33 |
| vhosakot | was great meeting everyone.... sorry missed meeting whoever missed the summit | 16:33 |
| inc0 | so, kolla-kubernates is being created | 16:33 |
| inc0 | we decided to run it in separate repo | 16:33 |
| vhosakot | inc0: so, the vote was to create a separate repo ? | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, yes. | 16:34 |
| inc0 | let's discuss it at topic | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | as* | 16:34 |
| vhosakot | cool | 16:34 |
| inc0 | so, any other announcements | 16:34 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | #topic kolla-k8s | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kolla-k8s (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:34 | |
| inc0 | so yes, vote is for separate repo | 16:34 |
| vhosakot | cool | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | we still have issues with pip's kolla-kubernates as project like that was already created | 16:35 |
| inc0 | we can go with kolla-k8s | 16:35 |
| mlima | the name will be kolla-k8s or kolla-kubernates? | 16:36 |
| britthouser | is kolla-kubernetes the OLD stuff (pre-ansible?) | 16:36 |
| vhosakot | inc0: from the emails in http://paste.openstack.org/show/496099/ this topic includes four threads.. "k8s Core team" "One repo vs two" "kolla-kubernetes repository management proposal up for vote" and "kolla-kubernetes pm's" | 16:36 |
| inc0 | well, we already decided that yes, we do kolla-k8s at all and it will be in another repo | 16:36 |
| vhosakot | yep | 16:36 |
| inc0 | we need to discuss core-team setup | 16:36 |
| vhosakot | yep | 16:36 |
| inc0 | so I'd like you guys to comment on my email | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | respond* | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | the kolla-kubernets has nothing. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/kolla-kubernetes we can re-use it, i think. | 16:37 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, but we don't own the project in pip | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | any other comments on this one? | 16:38 |
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| Jeffrey4l | ops.. could we contact the owner? | 16:38 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, already done, waiting for answer | 16:38 |
| vhosakot | britthouser: kolla-kubernetes is one of the names for the repo... we can go with kolla-k8s.. we need to decide if it needs pre-ansbile stuff or not | 16:38 |
| inc0 | Ryan will know more about it | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. cool | 16:38 |
| sdake | on my way out - kolla-kubernetes was created by the sap cats | 16:38 |
| sdake | i am taking care of getting ownership of it | 16:38 |
| sdake | gott aroll bye ;) | 16:38 |
| inc0 | bye | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | bye | 16:39 |
| vhosakot | tc sdake | 16:39 |
| inc0 | any other questions/comments on k8s? things are rolling, we need to figure out this stuff, but it's all in progress | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | no. | 16:39 |
| vhosakot | we covered repo creation and core team.. there is one more item | 16:40 |
| vhosakot | package manager for kolla k8s using kubespray and helm... somebody brought this up in design meeting.. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/093188.html | 16:40 |
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| inc0 | yeah, we need to have this discussion | 16:41 |
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| inc0 | but truth be told, I don't know first thing about this;) anyone can comment on it? | 16:42 |
| schwarzm | nope but sounds like premature optimization to me | 16:42 |
| inc0 | oh schwarzm , Michael?;) nice to have you around | 16:43 |
| vhosakot | I think it needs to be handled by the packagaing team... | 16:43 |
| schwarzm | lets get stuff into the repo to be packaged before knowing how to package | 16:43 |
| vhosakot | schwarzm: agreed :) there is nothing yet to package now! | 16:43 |
| inc0 | agree, I think we should discuss that later | 16:43 |
| vhosakot | cool | 16:43 |
| inc0 | also I'd love to have kfox input into this as he started this topic | 16:43 |
| inc0 | so let's move on | 16:44 |
| inc0 | #topic stable branches | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branches (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:44 | |
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| inc0 | (I'm making up ageda as I go, sorry;)) | 16:44 |
| inc0 | so, we have stable/liberty and stable/mitaka to care about | 16:44 |
| inc0 | we got at least one critical bug in mitaka, ubuntu:latest != ubuntu:14.04 | 16:44 |
| vhosakot | yes, both are stable and tested... inc0 I see you filed a bug about Ubuntu in summit... was that for master ? | 16:45 |
| inc0 | as for liberty, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308390/ | 16:45 |
| inc0 | all 3 of them really | 16:45 |
| inc0 | I need eyes, thests and merge on patchset above as we don't have liberty right now | 16:46 |
| vhosakot | inc0: is the new approach after the megapatch was abandoned ? | 16:47 |
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| inc0 | stable/liberty is a snapshot of stable/mitaka now | 16:47 |
| inc0 | so it is actually deploying mitaka | 16:47 |
| inc0 | yes, this is approach we're taking | 16:48 |
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| inc0 | and it's super important | 16:48 |
| vhosakot | inc0: got it... | 16:48 |
| inc0 | can't stress that enough | 16:48 |
| inc0 | any other comments on that one? | 16:49 |
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| Jeffrey4l | there are other bug in the gate now. | 16:49 |
| vhosakot | inc0: will the new bug (ubuntu:latest != ubuntu:14.04) affect your PS ? | 16:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | the rabbitmq crash in the cento deploy. | 16:49 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, not really | 16:49 |
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| vhosakot | inc0: cool | 16:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | in the mitaka branch, ubuntu + binary is crash. | 16:50 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: is there a bug ? | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | if anyone have time, please fix the gate first. thanks. | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, which one you mean. | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | there are several bug in the gate. | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | may be I can post a mail to list the bugs. | 16:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | later. | 16:51 |
| huikang_ | jeffrey4l, that will be great | 16:51 |
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| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: yes please... we need bug for each gate issue | 16:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | OK. I will write the email after the meeting. | 16:51 |
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| Jeffrey4l | no other comment. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | ok, let's move on | 16:51 |
| inc0 | #topic ansible 2.0 | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ansible 2.0 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:51 | |
| inc0 | we didn't really have time to discuss it on summit | 16:52 |
| inc0 | and I don't think we have quorum to discuss it really now | 16:52 |
| vhosakot | we need to add work items to the bp Jeffrey4l created... | 16:52 |
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| vhosakot | I can look into kolla_docker... I see PS for kolla_toolbox.. what else needs to be updated for ansible 2.0 ? | 16:52 |
| inc0 | I'm digging into it now, let me understand scope of changes and then we'll follow up on that | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | I do not think there are much work items to do. | 16:53 |
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| inc0 | it should be easy to make it non-exploding | 16:53 |
| inc0 | but to make it proper, that's a major refactoring | 16:53 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, I already got kolla_docker working | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, yep. as far as I know. only the kolla_docker need more work. | 16:53 |
| vhosakot | does moving to Ansible 2.0 affect just the deploy node or the target nodes as well (like control, compute, network, storage) | 16:53 |
| inc0 | I hope I can propose patchset to allow deploy with 2.0 this week | 16:53 |
| vhosakot | inc0: cool | 16:53 |
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| britthouser | should be just the deploy node @vhosakot, that is where ansible is installed. | 16:54 |
| inc0 | deployed node doesn't have ansible at all | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, cool. please push it. even it is wip. | 16:54 |
| britthouser | ? | 16:54 |
| inc0 | just deployment | 16:54 |
| britthouser | oh | 16:54 |
| inc0 | deployed nodes* | 16:54 |
| britthouser | I missed the -ed vs -ment | 16:54 |
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| vhosakot | cool... britthouser inc0 that is what I thought | 16:54 |
| inc0 | I'll post wip soon | 16:55 |
| inc0 | any other comments on this one? | 16:55 |
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| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 16:55 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: is the rabbitmq crash seen on both Centos source and binary in gate ? | 16:55 |
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| inc0 | #topic Open discussion | 16:55 |
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| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, yep. | 16:55 |
| mlima | when we begin to support Ubuntu 16.04? | 16:55 |
| vhosakot | yes xenial | 16:55 |
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| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, see this https://review.openstack.org/304205 | 16:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | gate is lying now. | 16:56 |
| inc0 | mlima, could you please add bp for that | 16:56 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:56 |
| inc0 | or check if it's already there? | 16:56 |
| mlima | yes, i can | 16:56 |
| huikang_ | If you core have time, I would like hear some comment on compute-kit plugin, like nova-docker and neutron OVN | 16:56 |
| vhosakot | mlima: does kolla master out of the box work on xenial ? | 16:56 |
| inc0 | I'd wait a month or two really | 16:56 |
| mlima | vhosakot, i don't know | 16:57 |
| vhosakot | huikang_: I wanted to reply to your email... sdake has great views about plugins (like nova-docker, neutron OVN, ODL, etc) | 16:57 |
| mlima | but it should work | 16:57 |
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| Jeffrey4l | seem we have multi open topic. :D. | 16:57 |
| inc0 | huikang_, https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/doc/image-building.rst#plugin-functionality have you seen this one? | 16:57 |
| huikang_ | vhosakot, great. please email after the meeting | 16:57 |
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| huikang_ | inc0, thanks. | 16:58 |
| vhosakot | huikang_: do you have any ideas how to handle neutron plugins ? we need an approach for cinder as well.. sberzerk also has ideas for plugins | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | current plugin function only work with source installation. | 16:58 |
| huikang_ | nova-docker and neutron ovn work perfect with source installation | 16:59 |
| vhosakot | should the kolla repo carry all the plugin code ? | 16:59 |
| mlima | inc0, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/add-xenial-support | 16:59 |
| inc0 | thanks mlima | 16:59 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, unrealistic | 16:59 |
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| inc0 | even neutron doesn't want to carry all it's plugins code any more | 17:00 |
| vhosakot | yes... then, where should the code exist... ? I hear stackforge is dead.. | 17:00 |
| vhosakot | cinder carries it | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, that's not possible. | 17:00 |
| huikang_ | vhosakot, I build nova-docker and neutron-ovn image | 17:01 |
| inc0 | we cannot possibly maintain complexity of all of it | 17:01 |
| inc0 | all we can do is to enable others to build their containers locally | 17:01 |
| pbourke | that is what we do currently | 17:01 |
| huikang_ | inc0, these are optional, like enable_cinder | 17:01 |
| vhosakot | yes.. exactly what huikang_ is doing... | 17:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, yea. kolla need a plugin mechianism like devstack. | 17:01 |
| inc0 | huikang_, see if link I gave you fixes your issues | 17:01 |
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| inc0 | if it's not let's revisit this topic | 17:02 |
| inc0 | we have ideas how to make it fully customizable | 17:02 |
| inc0 | right now you can do mixture of our plugin mechanism and --include-footer | 17:02 |
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| vhosakot | inc0: can code in {{ include_footer }} be merged into kolla master ? | 17:03 |
| mlima | inc0, which will be the default when kolla begin to support xenial? | 17:03 |
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| huikang_ | inc0, since nova-docker is part of the big tent, it makes sense to provide such container, like nova-libvirt | 17:03 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, what do you mean? | 17:03 |
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| inc0 | mlima, not sure, could you start a ML thread about that? | 17:04 |
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| inc0 | huikang_, we could, sure, it's just a matter of logistics and who exactly will support it | 17:04 |
| vhosakot | inc0: I meant if 3rd party plugin code can be added as include_footer ? | 17:04 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, yeah...why not? | 17:04 |
| inc0 | all you need to do is to write chunk of dockerfile to install it | 17:05 |
| vhosakot | inc0: then, kolla ends up carrying plugin code | 17:05 |
| inc0 | no | 17:05 |
| huikang_ | inc0, I can support nova-docker :). The bp exists for a while https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/nova-docker-container | 17:05 |
| inc0 | becasue that's you writting dockerfile | 17:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | the include_footer is customized and never be merged into kolla code. vhosakot | 17:05 |
| inc0 | huikang_, well...commit the code then | 17:05 |
| huikang_ | we have implemented the nova-docker container and ansible | 17:05 |
| huikang_ | inc0, sure and will do soon | 17:06 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: right... I think include_footer is pure non-kolla code | 17:06 |
| inc0 | it's whatever you want it to be really;) | 17:06 |
| vhosakot | inc0: ecaxtly... it can be whatever the operator wants other than what kolla offers | 17:06 |
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| huikang_ | vhosakot, agree | 17:07 |
| vhosakot | huikang_: can you please link that bp as topic in gerrit... | 17:07 |
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| pbourke | you actually dont need a footer for most cases | 17:08 |
| vhosakot | is nova-docker a big tent project ? | 17:08 |
| pbourke | if you look in the neutron-server dockerfile | 17:08 |
| pbourke | it will install plugins automatically *if* they are available | 17:08 |
| huikang_ | vhosakot, yes it is | 17:08 |
| huikang_ | https://github.com/openstack/nova-docker | 17:08 |
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| huikang_ | vhosakot, nova-docker is under openstack repo | 17:09 |
| inc0 | huikang_, but if it's big tent;) | 17:09 |
| inc0 | well it's part of nova | 17:09 |
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| vhosakot | i thought it was a sister project of nova... like how neutron-fwaas or neutron-vpn-aas for neutron... if it is big tent, then, yes, we dont have to treat it like a plugin | 17:10 |
| inc0 | nah, it's jsut a compute driver vhosakot | 17:10 |
| vhosakot | for docker (sorry for dumb q :)) | 17:10 |
| huikang_ | vhosakot, inc0 is right. nova-docker is a driver liek nova-libvirt | 17:10 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:10 |
| inc0 | huikang_, we can have it in kolla, no problem, just submit patches | 17:11 |
| huikang_ | inc0, thanks. I will | 17:11 |
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| vhosakot | yes, agreed.. we should have/welcome it in kolla | 17:11 |
| inc0 | so any other topic needing attention? | 17:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093936.html here | 17:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | better solution for the non-ini formatconfigure file | 17:12 |
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| vhosakot | 2 more.. "Add a gating check job for precheck" and threat analysis (what are we doing about this ?) | 17:12 |
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| Jeffrey4l | comment iw welcome. | 17:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | iw/is | 17:12 |
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| huikang_ | will comment after the meeting, jeffrey4l | 17:12 |
| vhosakot | I like Jeffrey4l approach to add precheck for _every_ gate job | 17:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | huikang_, thanks. | 17:12 |
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| huikang_ | I think precheck gate job should be part of deploy job | 17:13 |
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| huikang_ | so we need to update that bp | 17:13 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, how does adding this functionality to out merge_config sounds to you? | 17:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | just add the precheck to the deploy_aio.sh script is enough, i think. | 17:13 |
| vhosakot | right.. precheck should happen pre-deploy... in every gate job | 17:13 |
| inc0 | might be tricky tho | 17:13 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: yes | 17:13 |
| huikang_ | will update that precheck bp after the meeting | 17:14 |
| inc0 | in any case, it will require meddling with merge_configs.py | 17:14 |
| inc0 | and I'd rather do that once we move to ansible 2.0 fullt | 17:14 |
| inc0 | fully | 17:14 |
| vhosakot | inc0: that is a good point.. as we need to update mer_configs for 2.0 | 17:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, maybe just add a extra field to mark the merge strategy? | 17:14 |
| inc0 | either way, let's focus on migration to 2.0 and in the meantime figure out best strategy | 17:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | remember: overwrite is not ideal either. any better solution is welcome. | 17:15 |
| inc0 | everyone, please consider this topic and respond to Jeffs mail | 17:15 |
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| vhosakot | yes... http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093936.html | 17:16 |
| inc0 | we can make use of some of jinja2s magics | 17:16 |
| mlima | inc0, thread was started in ml | 17:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, maybe. | 17:16 |
| vhosakot | I think we already use jija2 to use variables in non-ini files... | 17:16 |
| inc0 | yeah, what I mean is to go full jinja2 | 17:17 |
| inc0 | I'll show you what I mean, I'll write an email about it | 17:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | cool | 17:17 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | another question is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093799.html | 17:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093799.html | 17:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | [openstack-dev] [Kolla] lock the distro version in the stable branch | 17:17 |
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| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, ubuntu was already merged | 17:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am thinking may be we need lock the image tag in the master branch either. | 17:18 |
| inc0 | that we did | 17:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, but that is not ideal and confused the end-user. | 17:19 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: do you mean this ? --> https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/etc/kolla/globals.yml#L20 | 17:19 |
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| inc0 | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/kolla/cmd/build.py#L347 | 17:19 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, I agree | 17:20 |
| Jeffrey4l | moreover. we do not support other Ubuntu release except for trusty. ( because the sources.list file) | 17:20 |
| inc0 | we need to find better defaults | 17:20 |
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| inc0 | problem is default on this one is dependant on base_distro | 17:20 |
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| Jeffrey4l | yep | 17:20 |
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| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, no. | 17:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, i mean the build image stage. | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | Jeffrey4l: so, kolla master does not work with Ubuntu 16, we need a bug for it please | 17:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, ther base_image and base_image_tag | 17:21 |
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| mlima | vhosakot, we have a bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/add-xenial-support | 17:22 |
| vhosakot | cool mlima! | 17:22 |
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| Jeffrey4l | I think we should depend on certain specify tag rather than the latest tag. | 17:23 |
| mlima | i did right now hehe | 17:23 |
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| vhosakot | yes, defaulting to 14.04 for base_tag == 'latest' should not happen for xenial | 17:23 |
| inc0 | you can specify 16.06 | 17:23 |
| inc0 | and run xenial this way | 17:23 |
| vhosakot | yes... to kolla-build... Jeffrey4l did you pass base_tag for kolla-build ? | 17:23 |
| mlima | i started this thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093956.html | 17:24 |
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| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, what i want is changing the default behavior. | 17:24 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think it work when change the base_tag by using cli paramter or in the kolla-build.conf file. | 17:25 |
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| vhosakot | well, default for 14 is different than default for 16... I think it is a matter for adding new code for 16... | 17:25 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:25 |
| vhosakot | I think we covered all topics... everyone, please add comments if any in k8s spec.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304182/ | 17:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | I do not think we should support both 14 and 16 in one branch.( for example mitaka branch) | 17:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | one is enough. | 17:27 |
| vhosakot | I think the spec must be full and solid to start any dev | 17:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | in this case, options is not good. | 17:27 |
| inc0 | agree with Jeffrey4l | 17:27 |
| inc0 | we can easily make our code unmainainable | 17:27 |
| inc0 | lets focus on one and make it well | 17:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | maybe, liberty is 14, mitaka is 14 and newton is 16 | 17:27 |
| huikang_ | I like this | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | inc0: yes, I like that too | 17:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | easy and enough. :D | 17:28 |
| inc0 | ok, we ran out of time | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | inc0: kolla must gracefully exit on unsupported distro versions | 17:28 |
| inc0 | thank you guys! | 17:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | vhosakot, yes. | 17:28 |
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| vhosakot | thanks all! | 17:28 |
| inc0 | part of our upgrade | 17:28 |
| pbourke | thanks | 17:28 |
| inc0 | plays | 17:28 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 17:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks all guys. | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 17:28:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-04-16.30.html | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-04-16.30.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-04-16.30.log.html | 17:29 |
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| RaginBajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 18:59:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is RaginBajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 18:59 |
| RaginBajin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160504 | 18:59 |
| RaginBajin | That's the agenda for today's meeting. | 19:00 |
| RaginBajin | o/ | 19:00 |
| RaginBajin | Just giving it a few minutes for others to join. | 19:02 |
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| mdorman | o/ | 19:02 |
| mdorman | here-ish | 19:03 |
| RaginBajin | đź‘Ť | 19:03 |
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| mdorman | ok here for real now | 19:06 |
| RaginBajin | Great.. Still only us at the moment. | 19:06 |
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| mdorman | i always worry i’ll have the UTC offset wrong and be an hour late | 19:07 |
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| RaginBajin | Hopefully a few more will join. Yeah I figured out in my Outlook calendar that you can actually enter it as UTC | 19:07 |
| RaginBajin | and it will do the conversion for you within the calendar and update all your devices that way | 19:07 |
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| RaginBajin | Hi mriedem.. Thanks for coming | 19:08 |
| mdorman | cool | 19:08 |
| mdorman | klindgren is here too | 19:08 |
| RaginBajin | perfect.. | 19:08 |
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| RaginBajin | well I guess we can just start and we'll see where it takes us. | 19:09 |
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| RaginBajin | #topic Summit Recap | 19:09 |
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| RaginBajin | There are two big sessions we had.. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-OSOps and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Requests-for-Enhancement-Process | 19:09 |
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| RaginBajin | Both of them had some really good discussions going on.. | 19:10 |
| RaginBajin | The first half of the OSOps had close to the same discussion points as the RFE sessions. | 19:10 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 19:11 |
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| RaginBajin | I think the biggest action that came out of those sessions was ways that from either direction that feedback can be provided. | 19:11 |
| RaginBajin | Ideas around having Liason's that possible work between the groups was laid out. I think a great example of that happening right now is mriedem from the Nova team participating in our group sessions. | 19:12 |
| mdorman | did that idea of liasons seem to resonnate with the other projects, too? i couldn’t come to the RFE session | 19:13 |
| RaginBajin | From what I could tell, there wasn't a lot of other projects attending.. | 19:13 |
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| mdorman | ah i see, heh. | 19:13 |
| RaginBajin | So, I think in order for it to work, we (osops) would have to find someone that is willing to participate from this side. | 19:13 |
| RaginBajin | and go to their meetings to start building that relationship | 19:14 |
| mdorman | makes sense | 19:14 |
| RaginBajin | We also heard that the OSOps group can be an advocation group for patches, tools, and features that operators would like to see. | 19:15 |
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| mriedem | fwiw, cburgess is usually always in the nova channel, and is pretty involved with ops questoins when the nova devs have them | 19:15 |
| mriedem | b/c he's reasonably familiar with the code | 19:15 |
| mriedem | nic too | 19:15 |
| mriedem | so we have some of that already | 19:15 |
| RaginBajin | Oh that's good to know.. Maybe we can reach out to them to see if they would be willing to bring back what they know here as well. | 19:16 |
| mriedem | what we (nova) don't really have a lot of the time is someone from the ops side coming to us saying 'this is a major thing that all of us are dealing with and would like to see it prioritized if possible and this is why' | 19:16 |
| mriedem | so we don't know what we don't know | 19:16 |
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| mriedem | to the point raised in the RFE session, it doesn't mean nova is going to drop everything it's already doing, or planning to do, for anything that's brought up | 19:17 |
| mriedem | but it'd be good to know so it's in our heads and potential backlog | 19:17 |
| RaginBajin | That to me is the feedback loop I was really interested in.. I see all the mentions in etherpads, and it's like if 20 people are saying yes to it.. Then maybe we need to figure out how to bring it up. | 19:17 |
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| mriedem | honestly i think if there is just a thing that bubbles up on the ops side, make sure it's mentioned in this meeting or the nova meeting or in the ML | 19:18 |
| mriedem | just to get the initial communication ball rolling | 19:18 |
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| RaginBajin | Gotcha.. | 19:18 |
| mriedem | btw, communication ball (tm) | 19:18 |
| RaginBajin | As long as it comes in different colors. | 19:18 |
| mriedem | can do | 19:19 |
| RaginBajin | Another item that was mentioned was finding a task to start off with to start figuring out how to groom a list of issues.. | 19:19 |
| RaginBajin | I think there are two great sessions that a lot of information could be pulled into and maybe summarized into particular problems... | 19:20 |
| RaginBajin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Liberty-upgrades and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-informal-meetup | 19:20 |
| RaginBajin | I'm wondering if there is anyone out there that would like to take that action on.. I can also raise it to the mailing list as well for additional help | 19:20 |
| RaginBajin | We could say just take the Nova side (since we have active representation) and collect all the Nova type of issues.. Work them down into "yeah that's a config problem" to "ooooh that's really broke" and then start with that list. | 19:21 |
| RaginBajin | Whoa whoa.. Too many volunteers... :) | 19:23 |
| mriedem | i was in the liberty upgrades session and i don't really remember any kind of action items for nova come out of that | 19:23 |
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| RaginBajin | You are probably right. I just know that there was a lot of discussions around a lot of things.. Maybe another Ops session is a better option. | 19:24 |
| RaginBajin | Either way, I'll take the action to go ahead and put something out on the Mailiing List to see if i can wrangle up some help. | 19:24 |
| RaginBajin | #action raginbajin will send out an email asking for help to break down an etherpad or two to collect data to share with the group and nova about problems identified. | 19:24 |
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| RaginBajin | Does anyone else want to maybe send out an email to the list about looking for liasons to work between osops and the project teams? Are we at that point to take on a few more, should we? | 19:26 |
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| RaginBajin | Ok. Well I'll take that one as well to keep things moving forward. | 19:27 |
| mdorman | yeah we could at least ask. see if anyone out there is already kinda doing that, anyway, or if folks have interest in particular projects. | 19:28 |
| RaginBajin | #action RaginBajin to email out to the mailing list discussing the idea of liasons working between osops and project teams. Hopefully this will bring in some feedback. | 19:28 |
| RaginBajin | Ok.. I think the feedback will tell us if there is any sort of interest out there at least for now. | 19:28 |
| mdorman | agreed | 19:29 |
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| RaginBajin | The only other actions that were from the summit was to get the Kolla project to maybe add some brief configuration files that could be used for sanity checking.. Right now you don't know what options you should be using for a working model and which ones don't | 19:29 |
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| RaginBajin | and I need to upload a rally job that I have that creates a vm and then ssh's into it to test end to end connectivity as an example for monitoring. | 19:30 |
| RaginBajin | Other than that.. We are on to New business | 19:30 |
| RaginBajin | #topic new business | 19:30 |
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| RaginBajin | I think you added a few things mriedem | 19:31 |
| mriedem | yeah | 19:32 |
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| mriedem | Request for operator review of nova spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306647/ Improve Scheduler Logging | 19:32 |
| mriedem | cfriesen had a thing in the ops list about this | 19:32 |
| mriedem | basically just looking for feedback on how ops would like to see this done/used | 19:32 |
| mriedem | i.e. dump debug only on NoValidHost, or always, or configurable, etc | 19:32 |
| mdorman | i looked at that this morning, i think it’ll be a great step forward | 19:33 |
| mriedem | #help Request for operator review of nova spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306647/ Improve Scheduler Logging | 19:33 |
| mriedem | the other one is | 19:33 |
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| mriedem | #help Request for operator review of nova spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311529/ Add spec for lower case metadata keys only | 19:33 |
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| mriedem | this is a spec to add a microversion in the nova api to enforce that metadata keys are only lower-case, | 19:33 |
| mriedem | because depending on your database, it treats the values different in the backend | 19:34 |
| mriedem | which is a long standing latent bug for things like aggregate metadata, flavor extra specs, and instance metadata | 19:34 |
| mriedem | so the idea here is, don't dick around with the db api gorp, and just enforce lower-case in the api after the microversion | 19:34 |
| mdorman | makes sense | 19:34 |
| mriedem | and anyone below that microversoin has to live with the latent bug | 19:34 |
| mriedem | which we'll document in the api-ref | 19:34 |
| mriedem | there would be a nova-manage command provided to fold the duplicate metadata keys | 19:35 |
| mriedem | so that's a thing deployers can use, but would like feedback on how that might be used | 19:35 |
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| mriedem | or if we're missing anything and doing this could cause big problems for people | 19:35 |
| mdorman | was there a post to the ML about that one, too? i can’t remember | 19:36 |
| mriedem | yeah | 19:36 |
| mdorman | kk | 19:36 |
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| mriedem | it's linked as a reference in the spec | 19:36 |
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| mdorman | gottcha | 19:36 |
| RaginBajin | Is there anything in particular that we can help with on these? | 19:36 |
| RaginBajin | My initial thought is sending out some more reminders on the Mailing list to get more feedback. | 19:36 |
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| mriedem | cfriesen already did on the first one | 19:38 |
| mriedem | and that's the one that probably needs more feedback | 19:38 |
| mriedem | the metadata keys fix is probably less of an issue, | 19:38 |
| mriedem | so just one or two ops being cool with that is good for me | 19:38 |
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| RaginBajin | Gotcha.. Well lets see what we can do then.. | 19:38 |
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| RaginBajin | Ok.. Is there anything else that anyone would like to bring up. | 19:39 |
| mdorman | so question mriedem , when there is a new patchset posted on a spec review, do you all look for additional +1’s at that point? or if somebody +1’d an earlier patch set as “yes this feature looks good to me and would be useful to ops”, does that sort of “count”? | 19:40 |
| mdorman | basically do we need to pay attention to later patch sets and make sure to go +1 again? | 19:40 |
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| mriedem | mdorman: the former i think | 19:41 |
| mriedem | i don't expect ops to be babysitting these | 19:41 |
| mriedem | unless they really care about seeing them land | 19:41 |
| mriedem | this is really a sanity check | 19:41 |
| mdorman | kk, right right. makes sense. | 19:41 |
| mdorman | sounds good | 19:41 |
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| mriedem | the only other thing i'd say as an fyi which wasn't on the agenda, | 19:42 |
| mriedem | nova-network is deprecated again | 19:42 |
| mriedem | there isn't a set date for removal though | 19:43 |
| mriedem | we have things we have to land in newton first | 19:43 |
| mriedem | details are in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093589.html | 19:43 |
| RaginBajin | cool | 19:43 |
| mdorman | yeah i had heard some rumblings about that. | 19:43 |
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| mriedem | those were probably just hunger pains | 19:44 |
| mdorman | hehehe | 19:44 |
| mdorman | i didn’t have anything else to bring up RaginBajin | 19:44 |
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| mdorman | thanks so much for the time mriedem | 19:45 |
| RaginBajin | Yes! Thank you. | 19:45 |
| mriedem | sure, np | 19:45 |
| mriedem | i don't have anything else | 19:45 |
| RaginBajin | Thanks everyone for coming... | 19:45 |
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| mdorman | thanks RaginBajin. also appreciate you running the sessions in austin | 19:46 |
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| RaginBajin | no problem.. Hopefully they were and these are useful.. Time will tell. | 19:46 |
| RaginBajin | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 19:46:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-05-04-18.59.html | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-05-04-18.59.txt | 19:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-05-04-18.59.log.html | 19:46 |
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| rockyg | dang! missed the meeting! I was too early | 20:01 |
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| rockyg | or not. But, missed it, nonetheless | 20:01 |
| rockyg | AQnyone around for log_wg? | 20:01 |
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| rbradfor | rockyg, I'm back | 20:18 |
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| rockyg | Welcome back! | 20:19 |
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| rockyg | Should we meet and discuss summit summary? | 20:20 |
| rockyg | or just discuss without a meet? | 20:20 |
| rockyg | whatever, we've got this room | 20:20 |
| rbradfor | what would you like to discuss? | 20:21 |
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| rbradfor | is there a followup etherpad to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Logging for second session? | 20:22 |
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| rockyg | All on the one. The working session addressed most of the items orginally put on the first session, with action items, steps forward, etc. | 20:23 |
| rockyg | Item 7: please review. This *might* fix, or go a long ways towards fixing the "no valid host" with no valid information in the error message problem, | 20:24 |
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| rbradfor | if this is a nova change was it part of the nova priorities. I know they have very set blueprints (or is there still a window) | 20:26 |
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| rockyg | Item 11: we've got etherpads started to collect never used/frequently used debug log messages. I think there needs to to a weekly ops summary email like the general one, with lots of links and reminders to provide info in the various collection efforts | 20:27 |
| rbradfor | I created them. | 20:27 |
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| rockyg | Ah. Can't remember sh*t. Thank you. Now I just have to ping weekly :-) | 20:27 |
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| rbradfor | I take it operators do not have a weekly IRC chat? There is an OSOps one. is the mailing list the primary communication means, openstack-operators@. That doesn't seemto have a high volume | 20:29 |
| rockyg | also, Item 2: Need better documentation on the JSON formatter ... is there a config option? Need a chunk of documentation for the ops folks. | 20:29 |
| rbradfor | the json formatter already exists, but it maybe only configurable with a config log file (yet to experiment). | 20:30 |
| rbradfor | we discussed in oslo the ability to specify the format type (e.g. log, json, color etc) as an actual new option, so I'll follow that during this cycle | 20:31 |
| rockyg | openstack-ops mailing list and IRC are the primary channels. Lots of Ops don't really have time/uesful setup for IRC | 20:31 |
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| rockyg | log config: cool. If a spec happens, we can advertise in ops and have them comment. | 20:31 |
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| rbradfor | I'd have to check with harlowja on the config option, it may not require a spec. | 20:32 |
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| rockyg | Request ID stuff: The folks implementing need mentoring. We've got the list of reviews in the etherpad. Cleaner ways to implement would go a long ways to get those happening. I believe Cinder nearly choked on the proposed implementation. | 20:33 |
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| rbradfor | it seems that is needs no oslo input, it's simply appending the specific ids to a log message. It seemed from my question that the log messages generally already exist, the just need all the stored ids outputted | 20:35 |
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| rockyg | Item 5.4: gonna leave log level at debug until immplementation is complete. | 20:35 |
| rockyg | So, I've a question about the deprecated syslog option... I assume, you can still get syslog format, but the documentation on the opts was not clear. | 20:36 |
| rbradfor | which documentation are you referring to? | 20:36 |
| rockyg | config options for oslo.log...leme find | 20:36 |
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| rockyg | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/opts.html | 20:38 |
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| rockyg | use_syslog | 20:38 |
| rockyg | Oh. The message is clearer now. cool. | 20:39 |
| rbradfor | never tried the option, looking at it now. | 20:39 |
| rbradfor | I'm suspecting RFC5424 is the format now, I'll add to my list and update help text to remove deprecation if applicable. | 20:40 |
| rockyg | So, the last field in the 5424 header is a structured data field. Perfect place to put the three key pairs | 20:40 |
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| rbradfor | enabling option did not do as expected, I'll need to investigate further, | 20:43 |
| rockyg | not a problem. If the fields that had been missing from the header that match syslog are now in oslo.log, (the last field, struct data and the eventID field), Ops has everything we need for requestID log implementation and for eventual error codes | 20:44 |
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| rockyg | The important point for the requestIDs is to make sure the log message have the keyed pairs in that specific syslog header field, whatever it is called in oslo.log | 20:45 |
| rbradfor | ok, so I can see syslog messages /var/log/syslog, helps if I don't duplicate use_syslog in conf file. | 20:46 |
| rbradfor | do you have a ready at hand reference for 5424, or should I just google it. | 20:46 |
| rockyg | The eventID or whatever that field is (can't remember exact name right now) is curently unused and the ops community plans to create the error code standard, discussed and I'll get the rfc | 20:47 |
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| rockyg | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc5424.html | 20:47 |
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| rockyg | 6.3 is structured data 6.2.7 is msgid | 20:48 |
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| rbradfor | so, is there a means to view structured information, I take it /var/log/syslog is just a text representation (that's probably configurable??) | 20:49 |
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| rockyg | actually, looks like structured-data is actually separate from head *and* message | 20:49 |
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| rockyg | so, check out 7.2.5 It's just a list of name=values | 20:51 |
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| rockyg | also, the end of 9.2 A provision is made here for locally extensible names. The IANA will | 20:53 |
| rockyg | not register, and will not control names with the at-sign (ABNF %d64) | 20:53 |
| rockyg | in them. | 20:53 |
| rbradfor | I'll need to research syslog more, all I know re syslog, is the log file, and rsyslogd | 20:53 |
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| rockyg | Not a problem. I'll admit that all of what I've said is predicateded on *my* understanding of the RFC. I may be wrong. | 20:54 |
| rockyg | But, Ops will work on converging on a written doc that defines the standard for error codes. There was already a request to either put place holders in for all fields, or an option that would put the placeholders in. | 20:55 |
| rockyg | I think Doug implemented that already. The error codes could be done by n00bies, cheap labor (interns, HS students, etc) and/or on a "while you're in there" basis. | 20:56 |
| rockyg | We'll need help using the commenting code like the opts comments to generate the docs for it, but that' | 20:57 |
| rockyg | s a ways off. | 20:57 |
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| rockyg | But, then again, it would be commments at the call to oslo.log, wouldn't it? Cool! A hacking rule! If there's a code, there needs to be a comment! | 20:58 |
| rockyg | But ops don't expect to see error codes this cycle. We do hope to have the standard specified, though | 20:59 |
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| rbradfor | there was no mention of this by operators at austin so perhaps the interest is in other areas. | 21:00 |
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| rockyg | The error codes are a long running issue for ops. We cover it most summits. It's at the bottom of the etherpad: L80 I think it was mentioned elsewhere in the epad, but I know we had the "usual" discussion and I said we'd create the spec for the standard in Ops groups. | 21:04 |
| rockyg | Also, I try to capture all the past etherpads wrt logging at the bottom of all the new etherpads. | 21:04 |
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| rbradfor | I've not read all the history for logging, rather started on an outstanding blueprint | 21:10 |
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| rockyg | Not a problem. I'll be kicking off the ops discussion for a standard and we'll see where it goes. No need to think about it, other than about getting the 5424 header fields all in oslo.log and ops will negotiate the rest among themselves. Then bring it to dev for discussion. | 21:12 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, ok | 21:13 |
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| rockyg | oh, and good to meet you, even though it was for about 15 seconds! I had no idea you had a not American accent! | 21:13 |
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| rockyg | I think we've covered enough for today. I'm going to do a few reviews on the related specs and work on the standard. TTFN | 21:14 |
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