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| qwebirc52297 | any concerns around using a Symantec Protection Engine 7.x for Linux/Solaris in OS? | 09:25 |
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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:59 |
| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 13:59 |
| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks nikhil | 13:59 |
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| nikhil | :) | 13:59 |
| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 13:59:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:00 |
| Steap | o/ | 14:01 |
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| avarner | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | let's get started | 14:01 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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| kairat | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | we've a short agenda today | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | I want to spend as much time as possible on discussing summit sessions | 14:02 |
| nikhil | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
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| tjcocozz | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #info Glare updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | hey! | 14:02 |
| nikhil | hi Mike | 14:03 |
| nikhil | how are things? | 14:03 |
| nikhil | (in the artifacts world) | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | we spent last three days discussing possible improvements of Glare architecture | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | 1. we simplified our engine | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | fyi engine is a thing that does policies check, notifications and access control | 14:05 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:05 |
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| mfedosin | code was reduced twice there | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | 2. we rethought how we delete artifacts | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | if you read the spec deletion was rather complicated there | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | we decided to keep it simple | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | first of all we got rid of 'killed' and 'deleted' statuses for blobs | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | and deletion looks like: | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | 1. Glare set status 'deleted' to artifact and 'pending_delete' to all his blobs | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | it's a transaction operation | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | 2. Then Glare starts to remove files from store and remove blob instances from db in cycle | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | If something bad happens like lost connection with data storage then glare raises exception and leaves other blobs in penging_delete status | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | and operator can clean the storage with scrubber | 14:09 |
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| mfedosin | If delayed delete is activated then only 1 step is performed and Glare misses the second | 14:10 |
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| mfedosin | that's all updates we have from Glare | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | thanks :) | 14:11 |
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| nikhil | Thanks mfedosin | 14:11 |
| nikhil | Are you wanting to get feedback on any of these items? | 14:11 |
| nikhil | guess, that's a no | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | I'm not sure if it's the best place to get the feedback | 14:12 |
| hemanthm | mfedosin: just curious, how do you ensure #1 is a transaction? | 14:12 |
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| hemanthm | (feel free to say we can take it offline) | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | if you have something to say feel free to join glare meeting on Monday | 14:12 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: sure, I was saying if we need to link something here so that people can go and give that feedback | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | hemanthm: it's a regular update | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | one call to db | 14:12 |
| hemanthm | two updates? | 14:12 |
| hemanthm | ok | 14:13 |
| nikhil | ok, mfedosin can link the spec or feedback form later | 14:13 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:13 |
| nikhil | #info Nova v1, v2 updates | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | set status 'deleted' to artifacts and 'pending_delete' to its blobs | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | it's me again :) | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | so, I proposed a spec for this update | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301741/ | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | there is huge feedback | 14:14 |
| nikhil | yes and some more feedback is on this email thread | 14:15 |
| nikhil | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg79862.html | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | also I send an email to ML where I describe things that are done | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | and should be done | 14:15 |
| nikhil | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/thrd2.html#79862 | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | hope to find some time today to answer there | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | thanks nikhil | 14:16 |
| nikhil | np | 14:16 |
| nikhil | I think we've a good momentum on the work | 14:16 |
| nikhil | Also, the thread has some context that I got from irc conversation on -nova | 14:16 |
| nikhil | the proposed changes look like something that can be done in specless BP | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | em... what? | 14:17 |
| nikhil | We should ad-sync on Monday (decide on a time offline) on this topic (whomever interested) | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | I think spec is needed there | 14:18 |
| nikhil | in a gist, the discovery related changes | 14:18 |
| nikhil | I don't want to say what nova spec is needed or not needed, if possible I'd refrain from proposing another nova spec | 14:19 |
| nikhil | let's try to get things done in a specless BP for things that are not too broad in changes proposed | 14:19 |
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| nikhil | I can update more stuff on -glance | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | hmm... we need to discuss it later | 14:20 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:20 |
| nikhil | #topic Releases | 14:20 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: yes | 14:20 |
| nikhil | THere were some release notes changes that release team was trying to get in | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | if you see a holler on #openstack-glance please courtesy them with a review. Thanks in advance. | 14:21 |
| nikhil | that's it on this on | 14:21 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:21 |
| nikhil | #topic Announcements | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | Two things | 14:21 |
| nikhil | #info Glance virtual pre summit sync is on Tuesday April 12 1400-1800 UTC | 14:22 |
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| nikhil | we will be using the same etherpad for summit planning viz. | 14:22 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-summit-planning | 14:22 |
| nikhil | if someone needs to discuss a CP topic, we may be able to give short feedback (~20 mins) | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 14:23 |
| nikhil | those are in the process of being selected | 14:23 |
| nikhil | second | 14:24 |
| nikhil | #info Glance Newton-mid-cycle will be in Boston (we're finalizing on the dates with the sponsors) | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | when? | 14:24 |
| nikhil | Hopefully that will give you some time to start planning travel | 14:24 |
| nikhil | It will be sometime in mid-June | 14:25 |
| nikhil | final dates will be announced once the sponsors give thumbs up | 14:25 |
| nikhil | any questions or other announcements? | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | also there was a doodle afair | 14:26 |
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| nikhil | yes, that was to get feedback from the team. sponsors are on their independent timeline :) | 14:26 |
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| nikhil | if you're interested in knowing | 14:26 |
| nikhil | here's the tentative dates | 14:27 |
| nikhil | #link http://doodle.com/poll/2c6dqs9ab253a59m | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | it also show who's going to attend it | 14:27 |
| nikhil | s/is/may be/ | 14:27 |
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| nikhil | we will have a more concrete agenda for mid cycle closer to the event | 14:28 |
| nikhil | this was done to help plan travel | 14:28 |
| nikhil | that document will be more accurate of the anticipated participation, schedule and related events during the meetup | 14:29 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:29 |
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| nikhil | (you can ask me ques offline) | 14:29 |
| nikhil | #topic Glance summit sessions continued | 14:29 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-summit-planning | 14:29 |
| nikhil | SO, the continuation is from this part | 14:30 |
| nikhil | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-24-13.59.log.html#l-112 | 14:30 |
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| nikhil | we've discussed proposals 3, 4, 8, 9 & 16 as of now | 14:31 |
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| nikhil | oops | 14:31 |
| nikhil | 15 too | 14:31 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: I am putting you on the spot here to discuss proposal #14 if you | 14:32 |
| nikhil | you | 14:32 |
| nikhil | eh | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | sure | 14:32 |
| nikhil | keyboard fail | 14:32 |
| nikhil | #info discussion on Proposal #14 ( rosmaita ) | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | two related issues about image properties | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | one is whether glance shoudl enforce metadef-defined property values on images | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | the other is whether we can come up with a lifecycle for public images | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | in this sense | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | deployers create image 1, end-users boot from it | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | somebody finds an issue with image 1, so the deployer creates image 2 | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | all new people who want to use that operating system should use image 2 | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | but some people may still want to use image 1 and patch by themselves | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | so the problem is: how to "hide" image 1 but have it still be public | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | and obviously this will be a series of >2 images for the lifecycle of a particular operating system image | 14:35 |
| hemanthm | image deprecation :) | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | there's been interest in this kind of thing for a while, various clouds have their own hacks to make it work, but it seems like a real use case that we should actually provide a solution for | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | someone was in the glance channel earlier this week asking about this | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: so these older images are expected to stay around forever? | 14:36 |
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| rosmaita | hemanthm: yes | 14:37 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: are we trying to present a set of formal (protected) properties for this? | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | i think so | 14:38 |
| nikhil | I guess your problem statement is quite clear, I'm curious about the title | 14:38 |
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| rosmaita | actually, i am not sure | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | hence the discussion | 14:38 |
| nikhil | ok, so this will be something that will revolve around feedback? | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | unless we can come up with somethign that we think will work pre-summit | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | (that's what i'd prefer) | 14:38 |
| nikhil | I am trying to collect this info to tag potential particular sessions for other tracks too (for example, this one could be operator track) | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i haven't had time to brainstorm a solution yet | 14:39 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | yes, it would be good to have operator input for sure | 14:39 |
| nikhil | I do have _some_ reservations around lifecycle management using metadata as properties can be ephemeral protected or not | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: i agree, that's why i paired these two topics together | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | namely | 14:40 |
| nikhil | gotcha | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | expanding "common image properties" to be really common image properties | 14:40 |
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| rosmaita | and then maybe these lifecycle things would be one of those | 14:40 |
| nikhil | hm, that's good thought | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | it will help with import, too | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | have specific image properties that are required | 14:41 |
| nikhil | +1 | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | it's an interoperability thing, really | 14:41 |
| nikhil | in general, it would be good to think how we can provide more context to this proposal so that rest of the clouds who may not need aren't really affected | 14:41 |
| nikhil | but if you're thinking interop then may be all are involved | 14:42 |
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| rosmaita | so all clouds for topic (a), maybe not for topic (b) | 14:42 |
| nikhil | I see | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | metadefs gives us some tools we didn't have back in grizzly for common image properties | 14:43 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:43 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: I'm assuming you want to discuss (a) later? | 14:44 |
| nikhil | or that you tied those up together in that problem statement? | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i could discuss now | 14:44 |
| nikhil | sure, we've about 5 mins for this one :) | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | the description is kind of self-explanatory | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | so maybe no discussion? anyone have any questions? or it metadata too boring? | 14:46 |
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| rosmaita | or am i netsplit? | 14:46 |
| nikhil | nah | 14:47 |
| nikhil | I think it's one of those that may be good to discuss with other teams | 14:47 |
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| nikhil | particularly Nova in this case | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | yes, nova should have some opinions | 14:47 |
| nikhil | I want to know what other teams are using | 14:47 |
| nikhil | and hopefully this feedback will help with the nova's compat layer conversation | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | ok, well maybe discuss further on april 12 | 14:48 |
| nikhil | Thanks rosmaita! | 14:48 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:48 |
| nikhil | #info Proposal #13 Deprecate glance-registry | 14:48 |
| nikhil | flaper87: proposed this one, but I guess he's not here today | 14:49 |
| nikhil | I think we need to give this one another 20 mins on april 12 | 14:49 |
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| rosmaita | i became interested in it while working on a bug, and realized that the registry is a PITA | 14:49 |
| nikhil | :) | 14:49 |
| nikhil | One initial feedback from me: | 14:49 |
| nikhil | We need to figure out which other services are using registry. for example, scrubber | 14:50 |
| nikhil | and who all prefer that | 14:50 |
| nikhil | may be I can replace services with tools above | 14:50 |
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| nikhil | anyone have comments? | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | +1 to discuss on april 12 | 14:51 |
| nikhil | thanks | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | yep | 14:51 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:51 |
| nikhil | #info Proposal #12 Glance + Microversions | 14:51 |
| nikhil | Well, I am interested to gather feedback | 14:52 |
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| nikhil | But I don't think we'd do this in parallel with other important API changes | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i agree it's worth looking into, but maybe not now | 14:52 |
| nikhil | anyone else? | 14:52 |
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| nikhil | moving on | 14:53 |
| nikhil | #info Proposal #11 Glance Store 1.0.0 Let's get the re-factor done | 14:53 |
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| nikhil | again, flaper87's proposal | 14:53 |
| nikhil | we can just give him 45 mins slot on april 12 to discuss these items | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: frankly speaking refactor is needed | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | because Glare is going to use glance_store | 14:54 |
| nikhil | ok | 14:54 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: but do you think refactor can be done in that small amount of time? | 14:54 |
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| mfedosin | and it doesn't satisfy our requirements | 14:54 |
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| nikhil | I see | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | no, we have a layer that hides all things | 14:54 |
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| mfedosin | but it's better to refactor glance_store's code | 14:55 |
| nikhil | well, there are some CP discussions around backward compatibility scope | 14:55 |
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| nikhil | I think it would be worth for you to be at that CP session on Tuesday | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | and make it usable for all services not only Glance | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | what time again? | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | 1400-1800 utc | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | oops, that's not it | 14:56 |
| nikhil | yep, let's discuss the rest of the sessions next week on tuesday and those who don't get time can be discussed on thursday's meeting | 14:56 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: that's correct | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | oh, ok | 14:57 |
| nikhil | Tuesday April 12, 1400-1800 UTC | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | (i need 1 min of "general discussion" before meeting ends) | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | not perfect for me but not bad | 14:57 |
| nikhil | sure | 14:57 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | following up on my action item from last week, i put up a patch to the glance in-tree docs about "the future" of glance | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301359/ | 14:57 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: there's a email thread if you want to provide feedback | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | please take a look, especially cores, so we can all be on the same page before the summit | 14:57 |
| nikhil | but I'd say a bit too late to change the time | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | a few people have made some good suggestions about restructuring the glance in-tree docs, but at this point i'd really like to concentrate on content | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | the aim of this exercise is to make sure that we're in agreement (more or less) about both (a) where the glance project should be going, and (b) some text that says where the glance project is going that we can point people to | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | that's it, thanks! | 14:58 |
| nikhil | Thanks rosmaita! This is really useful effort, especially prior to summit. | 14:58 |
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| nikhil | #info we may have to skip meeting on thursday april 21 so, please be ready next week with any important discussions | 14:59 |
| mfedosin | we can skip april 28 too | 15:00 |
| nikhil | That's it for today. Thanks all for joining. Cya on Tuesday. | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | thanks! bye | 15:00 |
| nikhil | connection info on the virtual sync will be on #openstack-glance ~1400 UTC | 15:00 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 15:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-04-07-13.59.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-04-07-13.59.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-04-07-13.59.log.html | 15:00 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 15:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:02 |
| yingjun | o/ | 15:02 |
| RickA-HP | o/ | 15:02 |
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| TravT | okay | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | hey, sorry, connection issue | 15:03 |
| TravT | so. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| TravT | #topic Mitaka release | 15:04 |
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| TravT | Mitaka is officially released | 15:04 |
| TravT | just chatted with thierry about it | 15:04 |
| TravT | no more RCs | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | woo! | 15:04 |
| TravT | \o/ | 15:04 |
| TravT | Great job everybody | 15:04 |
| TravT | ! | 15:04 |
| TravT | which brings us to: | 15:05 |
| TravT | #topic Candidates for backports (potential 0.2.1) | 15:05 |
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| TravT | we don't have any more rcs | 15:05 |
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| TravT | but we can request a point release at any time | 15:05 |
| TravT | so 0.2.1 | 15:05 |
| TravT | and sjmc7 found a couple candidates there | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | found/caused | 15:06 |
| TravT | Fix for updating nova server on volume attach/detach (sjmc7): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301943/ | 15:06 |
| TravT | that's merged | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | i already put up a backport review for that one | 15:06 |
| TravT | link? | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | https://review.openstack.org/302814 | 15:07 |
| TravT | is anybody opposed to me approving that for stable/mitaka? | 15:07 |
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| lei-zh1 | nope | 15:08 |
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| rosmaita | seems kind of important | 15:08 |
| TravT | okay, then i'm going to do that. | 15:08 |
| nikhil | o/ | 15:09 |
| TravT | sjmc7 want to talk about: Discussion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1565028; any fix is going to be a bit unpleasant, not sure about the payoff | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1565028 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Neutron port detach isn't detected by nova event handler" [Critical,New] | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | this is a similar issue; detecting port attach/detach events for servers | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | the solution’s much less straightforward, but i will have another think about it | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | i think this is a much less common occurrence (it only affects explicitly attaching a neutron port to an instance, not automatic port creation) | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | i guess this is compounded by the nova-networks vs neutron situation (which i know nothing about other than that it used to be a "thing") | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | and we do currently deal with port attach, just not detach, which is troublesome | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, nova networks is another kettle of fish | 15:11 |
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| sjmc7 | nova abstracts some parts of that but not all | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | this is one of them | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | i actually think it’s kind of a bug on nova’s side in a way | 15:11 |
| yingjun | I added nova to the bug, not sure if what’s the nova guys think | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | it should send interface-attach/detach events | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | (though that doesn't help much) | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | right. so i don’t know if it’s worth a hacky fix for this | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | how bad would it be to have not port info indexed? | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | *no | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | that’s the other option. it’s nice being able to get servers by IP address | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | just wondering if inaccurate data is worse than no data at all | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | no, you answered the question | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | people like to get servers by ip address | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | the denormalized fields the nova API gives us cause trouble in this respect, but they are quite useful | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | i would like ot persuade nova to have the server notifications match the API output but that seems like a long shot | 15:14 |
| TravT | i just wonder how often this happens in the real world? | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | well, probably a lot if you have your own subnet | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | floating IPs i suspect would be one example | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | and yeah, that too | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | they are kind of small, may have to add/subtract servers | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | maybe a hacky solution is better than none | 15:15 |
| TravT | sjmc7, the other events will cause us to update the port details as well, correct? | 15:15 |
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| TravT | eg. restart | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | yes | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | TravT: that's a good point | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, anything where we have to reindex servers for another reason will pick up any changes | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | maybe we should just leave the bug open until nova fixes it | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | so yeah, all these reasons leave me on the fence | 15:16 |
| TravT | what is your hacky fix? | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | the only solution i’ve got is not very reliable - it’d mean searching for instances matching the port id | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | and we’ve stayed away from searching the e-s data during updates because of potential races with updating the search index | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | it’d work most of the time | 15:17 |
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| sjmc7 | i guess i can put up a fix and see what it looks like? | 15:18 |
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| sjmc7 | we do need, again, to come up with a general answer for when notifications don’t match API output; we keep running into these kinds of problems | 15:19 |
| TravT | I'm probably suffering from amnesia, but i feel like i missed a part of your proposal. are you saying on a *neutron* port event, we'd do this search and update instances appropriately? | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 15:19 |
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| TravT | okay here's my .02 | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | so the neutron info is up to date, but the nova is not? | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 15:22 |
| TravT | thanks yingjun for adding nova... i think it would be good if sjmc7 cleaned up the description a bit for nova patch team ease of consumption | 15:22 |
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| TravT | i think the idea you have sjmc7 is interesting, but i'm slightly hesitant to immediately backport to stable | 15:22 |
| TravT | so maybe could go on master first for a bit? | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:23 |
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| sjmc7 | looking at the code there is actually a pretty serious bug we may have to backport :( i’ll file it separately | 15:23 |
| rosmaita | i don't like this proposal, because the ip search is rough on the nova api | 15:23 |
| TravT | rosmaita? | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | rosmaita: i wouldn’t search nova’s api, just the SL data | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, i misunderstood | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that’d be a no-no | 15:24 |
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| lakshmiS_ | here's a crazy idea. Make just port as parent of nova and let neutron port updates go there. | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | ? | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | ports can belong to routers or subnets | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | or rather, be attached to | 15:25 |
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| TravT | hmm... that's be network --> port --> server | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | wait, wait | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | servers are not logically descendents of ports | 15:26 |
| TravT | that seems a bit wrong | 15:26 |
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| lakshmiS_ | hmm let me think through if there is a way to normalize for updates | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | the problem is that a port detach contains no information indicating what it was attached from | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | err, detached from | 15:27 |
| TravT | hmm | 15:27 |
| TravT | that seems like it could be a bug / bp on neutron | 15:27 |
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| sjmc7 | spread the wealth :) | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | TravT: +1 | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | in the meantime, what’s the consensus | 15:28 |
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| rosmaita | i think do nothing, figure eventully server updates will make the data consistent | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | leave the bug open | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | see if more people complain | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | ok. we can maybe bring it to neutron’s attention too | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | because i think TravT has a good point that we may not see this very much | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: +! | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | +1, even | 15:30 |
| TravT | is +! the same as a -1? | 15:30 |
| TravT | (plus not) | 15:30 |
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| TravT | ;) | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | *tumbleweed* | 15:31 |
| TravT | tough crowd | 15:31 |
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| TravT | okey | 15:31 |
| TravT | dokey | 15:31 |
| TravT | so, back to 0.2.1 | 15:31 |
| TravT | i think the volume attach bug alone is worth a point release | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | TravT: point release of which? | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i’m filing another related server notification bug that i’ll fix today, so can we hold off until then? | 15:32 |
| TravT | is there anything else critical that could be solved in a few days that also should go in point release | 15:32 |
| TravT | searchlight | 15:32 |
| TravT | it is too late for rc3 (mitaka out) | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | we're not release independent | 15:33 |
| TravT | but thierry said we can do a 0.2.1 at any time | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | oh O_o | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | I thought that was owned by stable | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | probably shifted again | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | ttx would know | 15:33 |
| TravT | we own stable for searchlight, but that's what i was told this morning | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | interesting | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | go back to ignoring me | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | :) | 15:35 |
| TravT | i think for things that aren't patch releases (e.g. 0.2.x) it would be diff | 15:35 |
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| TravT | lol | 15:36 |
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| TravT | so, anybody against me putting up a point release once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302814/ lands? | 15:36 |
| TravT | or is there anything else to consider? | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | yes :) | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | i’ve got another similar change i’d like to get in | 15:37 |
| TravT | okay, do share | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | i’m filing the bug | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | related to the port stuff | 15:37 |
| TravT | i really need some time for summit planning as well | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | go for it | 15:37 |
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| TravT | #topic summit planning | 15:38 |
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| TravT | i need to get things uploaded into eventbrite asap | 15:38 |
| TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-summit | 15:38 |
| TravT | first thing to notice is that we will have some discussion on search in a horizon session. and looks like a good chance there will be a swift session | 15:39 |
| TravT | i put links for that at the top | 15:39 |
| TravT | next, we have 3 sessions | 15:39 |
| TravT | 1 fishbowl | 15:39 |
| TravT | 2 working | 15:39 |
| TravT | currently 5 ideas listed | 15:40 |
| TravT | i'll pause for a minute to let people look at what is there now. | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | i’ve got one i haven’t put on there about weaning ourselves off API calls | 15:41 |
| TravT | and to add ideas | 15:41 |
| TravT | sjmc7: d'oh! can't believe i don't have that one on after rambling about maybe doing a fishbowl on it | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | adding it now | 15:41 |
| TravT | i think that would be a good fishbowl and we could also tag neutron, nova, cinder on it. | 15:42 |
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| TravT | ironic as well | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | maybe, but i also mean from our perspective, what our general approach should be | 15:42 |
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| TravT | lei-zh1: are you there? | 15:46 |
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| TravT | The pipeline topic surely would benefit from some face to face time, but need to know if anybody from your team will be there to talk about it | 15:47 |
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| lei-zh1 | yes, yuntong will be there | 15:48 |
| TravT | will malini be there as well? | 15:48 |
| lei-zh1 | although he carries some other tasks, but he can have a discussion on that | 15:48 |
| TravT | does she care about this? | 15:48 |
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| lei-zh1 | I'll confirm with her about it | 15:49 |
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| TravT | ok. | 15:49 |
| lei-zh1 | not sure about her schedule | 15:49 |
| TravT | so, i think the cross project aspect of notifications makes that one the most likely candidate for fishbowl out of what we have right now | 15:50 |
| TravT | that one meaning the notification topic | 15:50 |
| lei-zh1 | shall we submit a spec of pipeline, it will be helpful for the discussion | 15:51 |
| TravT | so different than the one you already have? | 15:51 |
| lei-zh1 | I think it's more with pipeline architecture | 15:52 |
| lei-zh1 | we didn't define that too much on the zaqar plugin | 15:52 |
| TravT | ok, if you think it would be helpful to all of us, then please do | 15:52 |
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| lei-zh1 | ok | 15:52 |
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| TravT | yingjun: any topics you propose or would like to vote for? also do you know if you will be able to come or not? | 15:53 |
| TravT | i guess we still need to add david-lyle 's beer bash as an idea | 15:54 |
| TravT | ;) | 15:54 |
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| yingjun | i’ll come to the summit | 15:54 |
| TravT | \o/ | 15:55 |
| TravT | that's great! | 15:55 |
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| TravT | okay, well please add votes / ideas to the etherpad | 15:56 |
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| TravT | i'll arrange and upload to eventbrite on monday-ish | 15:56 |
| TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| TravT | does anybody have any other topics? | 15:57 |
| TravT | sjmc7, have that bug ready for us to discuss? | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1567525 | 15:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567525 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "port.create.end events are handled incorrectly by nova" [Critical,New] | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | in short - novca currently listens to port.create.end for reasons only i could have answered, 7 months ago | 15:58 |
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| sjmc7 | which a) doesn’t make much sense and b) doesn’t handle them correctly. in light of the conversation we had i’m gonna remove the handler for backporting | 15:59 |
| sjmc7 | and then see if we can handle port updates consistently for Newton until we can get the notifications fixed | 15:59 |
| TravT | okay, i'll look at it in detail. | 15:59 |
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| TravT | time is up for us | 16:00 |
| TravT | thanks everybody | 16:00 |
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| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 16:00:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-04-07-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-04-07-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-04-07-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 16:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:01 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| spotz | \o/ | 16:02 |
| v1k0d3n | o/ | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:02 |
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| eil397 | \o | 16:02 |
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| jmccrory_ | o/ | 16:03 |
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| evrardjp | hi | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | Alright, we had no action items from last week so let's move to discussion topics. | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Release notes in the IRR's | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae any updates? | 16:08 |
| palendae | Nope, been working on testing liberty upgrades all week | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | alright, let me at least set an action item to instrument all the repositories for release notes | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to instrument all repositories for release notes | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | do you need help with anything or would you like to raise anything related to the topic? | 16:10 |
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| palendae | I don't have much to raise at the moment | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, we'll move on then | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Newton Summit Planning | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | The schedule is up. I'm busy populating the details into it. It should be done early next week. | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | I'll put a link to the filtered schedule up asap. | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | Does anyone have any summit related questions or comments? | 16:12 |
| mattt | any way for those of us not at the summit to participate in anything? | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | good question | 16:13 |
| spotz | I wonder if we could stream via vidyo on a laptop? | 16:13 |
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| odyssey4me | well, we did try that at the mid-cycle and it wasn't great | 16:14 |
| mattt | yeah you don't want it to distract from the in-person stuff as that time is precious, but if there is a mechanism it'd be great for those of us not there to join in on | 16:14 |
| spotz | odyssey4me I need to see my whole schedule but would like to make the doc sessions, any way to coordinate? | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | also we don't really have the same facilities available at the summit | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:14 |
| spotz | odyssey4me And it depends on network:( | 16:15 |
| mattt | yeah if it's a hurdle then i wouldn't worry about it | 16:15 |
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| odyssey4me | so I think the best way to facilitate is to work through each topic's etherpad beforehand and discuss with anyone's who's going so that your views are well represented | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: maybe we can do it w/ hangouts live + IRC | 16:15 |
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| cloudnull | re: remote participation | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | The sessions are 40m so there's not even much time to try and use IRC to discuss, but we can try and ensure that some people are around on IRC and can therefore interact with anyone who's around | 16:16 |
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| mattt | odyssey4me: fair enough | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | irc isn't gonna work I think | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | The session times due to time zone differences will also make it a bit hard for anyone outside of the US to participate | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to complete uploading session details and publish a link for review | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | I agree with odyssey4me : let's prepare beforehand | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | for now the session list is https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-04-27&summit_types=2&tags=3542 | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | although I see that some other stray sessions are in the list - not sure what's going on there | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | that also seems to be missing some sessions | 16:18 |
| stevelle | as much as possible, having an outline and related reading items linked in the etherpads for each session seems important so folks can choose sessions and prepare to contribute in them | 16:18 |
| mhayden | mattt: i could bring a better quality webcam to the summit and try to use it | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | aha, this is better: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=OpenStackAnsible | 16:19 |
| mattt | mhayden: sounds like it may not be worth it, and you don't want in-person time wasted fiddling w/ cams, networks, etc. | 16:19 |
| spotz | fishbowl goes right up to my session but I'll come for the start | 16:20 |
| mhayden | mattt: i'll do it for you, though | 16:20 |
| mattt | mhayden: you da bayst | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, what stevelle said - please ensure that you prepare yourself for each session based on the outline in the session details | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | everyone needs to come with ideas and ideally PoC patches prepared | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | with the limited time for each session we need to try and make the most of the in-person time | 16:21 |
| spotz | I need a clone on Wednesday:( | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | I'm putting them in the order we decided on here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-summit | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | spotz only one ? | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | can anyone see any specific clashes with other sessions that means we should switch things around a bit? | 16:22 |
| spotz | evrardjp Just one so far | 16:22 |
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| stevelle | I would like to ask we consider moving dynamic inventory earlier | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I thought about that - maybe the first session on Wednesday? | 16:23 |
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| stevelle | that works | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | maybe switch it up with the role documentation session? | 16:24 |
| stevelle | the 9:50 slot is ideal for me, personally | 16:24 |
| stevelle | to do inventory | 16:24 |
| spotz | Just don't put docs middle of the day on Wednesday and I'll make it work | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | ah, I meant the first on Thu - not Wed | 16:25 |
| stevelle | any slot thurs before lunch works | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | spotz the suggested time for the docs session is 4:30-5:10 or the later one | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | (on Wed) | 16:26 |
| spotz | That'll work, I can do video's of the hands-ons I wanted to go to but can't miss the session I'm running:) | 16:26 |
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| odyssey4me | spotz which works better - the 4:30-5:10 or the 5:20-6:00? | 16:28 |
| mhayden | i'm good with either of those docs-wise | 16:28 |
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| spotz | odyssey4me Either will work:) | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, I'll put some thought into the demands of the other sessions and put a suggested schedule down | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | anything else from anyone? | 16:30 |
| spotz | appreciate it odyssey4me! | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | so due to our current project tagging, we didn't get the chance to go through a release candidate process - so Mitaka is effectively released | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | please keep testing to identify any bugs\ | 16:32 |
| spotz | So we're bug fixing and newton? | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | also keep a lookout for backports or patches to the stable/mitaka branch - I expect that we'll be doing quite a few of them all the way up to Newton-1 | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | I've applied to change the project tag to follow the releases and will discuss what that means at the summit. | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | spotz yeah, master is on Newton already | 16:34 |
| spotz | nice:) | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | we have some patches that need herding or votes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Eopenstack/openstack-ansible.*+status:open+branch:stable/mitaka | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | it looks like the upstream projects are pretty much done at RC3, but I'd like to get those patches merged so that we can tag 13.0.1 as the finalised release including any additional role patches needed | 16:36 |
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| stevelle | looks like we have some gate instability issues right now too | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | stevelle yeah, some of the providers are quite problematic although I haven't been digging into those failures in detail | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | if you have a gap to do so to try and figure out whether there are other problems then that'd be appreciated | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | let me guess, ovh apt issues | 16:38 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp for the most part we're using the infra provided apt/pypi/pip repositories which are localised per provider/region so we shouldn't be | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | if that hasn't been done in the role, then that's a fix-up needed for sure | 16:39 |
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| evrardjp | indeed, it's not what I see on the first ones | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | I think that the galera extra download bits is hurting the galera_server role success | 16:39 |
| stevelle | ^ | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | those aren't mirrored, so we either need to figure out something better or make another plan | 16:40 |
| stevelle | so many galera_server timeouts, but that reflects something delaying those tests | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | pkg-query: package 'mariadb-galera-server-10.0' is not installed and no information is available | 16:41 |
| stevelle | It seems like there are a few issues in that role we might identify | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, that role does a lot of things - we might have to pare it down a little or figure out another way to test what it's testing | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | that's a discussion we can have outside the meeting right? | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | but ideally I'd like to identify real problems and resolve them | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, we can do that | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | are there any issues with the Kilo/Liberty branches that should prevent a fresh tag? | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | it looks like https://review.openstack.org/301283 / https://review.openstack.org/302333 / https://review.openstack.org/280844 need review for kilo | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | and there are some patches in review for liberty: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Eopenstack/openstack-ansible.*+status:open+branch:liberty | 16:45 |
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| odyssey4me | as the release team is pretty much on skeleton crew until after the summit, I'm not sure that our tags will be done - but I'll ask | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | alright - we have 10 mins for open discussion | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | anyone got anything to discuss or raise? | 16:47 |
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| evrardjp | nothing right now, except thanks for the meeting | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | alright, as there's nothing else - thank you all for attending! | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 16:53:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-04-07-16.01.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-04-07-16.01.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-04-07-16.01.log.html | 16:53 |
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| Cathy__ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| vikram | hi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Cathy__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| pcarver | Hello | 17:00 |
| georgewang | hello | 17:00 |
| Cathy__ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
| scsnow | hi | 17:01 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:01 |
| Cathy__ | s3wong: scsnow LouisF hi | 17:01 |
| Cathy__ | let's start | 17:01 |
| s3wong | Cathy__: your nic keeps on changing :-) | 17:01 |
| doonhammer | Hi | 17:01 |
| Cathy__ | doonhammer: hi | 17:01 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: hi | 17:02 |
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| mohankumar__ | hi | 17:02 |
| Cathy__ | s3wong: really? I don't know why | 17:02 |
| vikram | Cathy__: register a nick for you | 17:02 |
| raofei | hi everyone | 17:02 |
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| Cathy__ | vikram: OK, will do | 17:03 |
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| Cathy__ | hi raofei | 17:03 |
| Cathy__ | #topic Source port specification in the FC | 17:03 |
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| Cathy__ | Let me try to explain why we need the source port in the SFC FC specification | 17:04 |
| Cathy__ | hi iyamahat vishnoianil | 17:04 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, hi | 17:04 |
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| Cathy__ | With the source port specified, we know where to instantiate the FC | 17:05 |
| iyamahat | Cathy__, hi | 17:06 |
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| vikram | Cathy__: Why we can't put it as a part of the chain | 17:06 |
| Cathy__ | That will enhance the performance | 17:06 |
| vikram | Cathy__: I mean in service_chain_param | 17:06 |
| Cathy__ | vikram: I guess we can consider that | 17:07 |
| vikram | Cathy__: Doing so we can keep FC generic | 17:07 |
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| LouisF | vikram: it is used to select traffic entering the chain so the FC is the right place to have it | 17:07 |
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| vikram | LouisF: Agreed.. but this kills generic design for FC | 17:08 |
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| mohankumar__ | vikram: +1 | 17:08 |
| vishnoianil | SFC spec do have source port as a match attribute for classifier, isn't it? | 17:08 |
| Cathy__ | raofei: pcarver s3wong what's your thought? | 17:08 |
| LouisF | the FC will evolve and have other parameters such as DSCP, vlan-id etc | 17:08 |
| Cathy__ | vishnoianil: yes | 17:08 |
| vikram | LouisF: The problem here is we are making Src port as mandatory | 17:09 |
| pcarver | Cathy__: I'm definitely concerned about putting SFC specific info in the FC because we would like the FC to be generic across things other than SFC | 17:09 |
| s3wong | Cathy__: source port as in Neutron port? I don't even know FC has a networking location association... | 17:09 |
| Cathy__ | In current way, the user can specify that all traffic coming from a source port will go through the chain | 17:09 |
| LouisF | there was discussion on a common FC some months ago but that work has not progressed | 17:09 |
| trozet | stupid question, does FC == Flow Classifier? | 17:10 |
| LouisF | pcarver: a port is not really SFC specific - is likely can be used by other features such as qos | 17:10 |
| pcarver | Also, we need to maintain a clean separation between the abstract design of the API and the particular needs of one implementation. So we should ask whether the source port is required for all SFC drivers or just the OvS agent based one. | 17:10 |
| s3wong | trozet: yes :-) | 17:10 |
| vikram | trozet:bingo | 17:10 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, sorry i missed the initial context, are we talking about source port (L4 ) or "Ingress Port" ? | 17:10 |
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| vikram | source port | 17:11 |
| Cathy__ | since the source port can be used as a FC rule to classify the traffic, I am not sure if it is appropriate to move it out of the FC | 17:11 |
| s3wong | vishnoianil: yeah, that was my question as well :-) | 17:11 |
| pcarver | I have the same question as vishnoianil | 17:11 |
| LouisF | vishnoianil: neutron src port | 17:11 |
| Cathy__ | vishnoianil: s3wong source port in the FC | 17:11 |
| pcarver | I'm assuming we're talking Neutron port where VM attaches | 17:11 |
| pcarver | not TCP/UDP port | 17:11 |
| vikram | pcarver: +1 | 17:11 |
| LouisF | pcarver: yes | 17:11 |
| s3wong | pcarver: yes, that's what I was thinking | 17:11 |
| vikram | Cathy__: I didn't get your reasoning | 17:12 |
| trozet | I think the issue is when you want to SFC to operate at a service/admin role, you want to be able to classify based on traffic from specific neutron networks or ports | 17:12 |
| pcarver | I understand that for the OvS based implementation we need to know where to put the flow rules, but I'm not sure that's a generic SFC API requirement | 17:12 |
| Cathy__ | pcarver: yes, but it is not the source port of a SF VM, it is a source port to identify traffic coming to the chain | 17:12 |
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| s3wong | Cathy__: wound't ingress network port part of FC? | 17:12 |
| vikram | Cathy__: since the source port can be used as a FC rule to classify the traffic, I am not sure if it is appropriate to move it out of the FC : My proposal is not to mandate this field | 17:12 |
| s3wong | * wouldn't | 17:12 |
| vishnoianil | i think with that, it gets bit vague, because "ingress port" basically considered as a L0 match criteria | 17:12 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: yes | 17:12 |
| trozet | Cathy__: so with RBAC, doesn't that enable this type of behavior? | 17:13 |
| pcarver | Thinking in terms of physical switches and firewalls for a moment. Normally an ACL or ruleset is defined and then it is applied to one or more (physical) ports | 17:13 |
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| LouisF | vishnoianil: yes it is a match on packet metadata not packet contents | 17:13 |
| Cathy__ | s3wong: it is the ingress network port of a traffic flow which is currently part of the FC. | 17:13 |
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| s3wong | vikram: as you said, given that ingress Neutron port should be part of classification, shouldn't it be part of FC? Why would you opposed to including it as part of FC? | 17:14 |
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| mohankumar__ | i believe src port made mandatory to check does traffic coming from same compute host or not | 17:14 |
| LouisF | there are use cases where all traffic to/from a VM port must be steered into a SFC | 17:14 |
| vikram | s3wong: classification can be done for a stream of traffic coming from / to a neutron src | 17:14 |
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| trozet | shouldn't we also include neutron network? and not just VM port here? | 17:15 |
| Cathy__ | vishnoianil: our matching criteria is very large, can be up to L7 | 17:15 |
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| vikram | trozet: initial design is chaining ports | 17:15 |
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| trozet | there are cases where a service operator wants all tenant traffic from a specific network to go through an admin chain before going to an external network, it makes sense to define one chain there in the admin space and not for every tenant | 17:16 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, then in my opinion it make sense to me, i don' think it's breaking generic nature of the API | 17:16 |
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| vikram | trozet: which address all the scenarios | 17:16 |
| trozet | vikram: i'm not talking about chaining, im talking about classification | 17:16 |
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| vikram | trozet: Ok.. so you mean adding a param net in the FC? | 17:16 |
| trozet | vikram: yeah network and ports both in FC | 17:17 |
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| LouisF | trozet: ports already exist in the FC | 17:17 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: I understand your point. Yes that is a use case we need to cover. Could one or a group of source ports represent that network whose traffic go through the chain? | 17:17 |
| vikram | trozet: anyways it can be done.. if we already support ports.. at the end nets are collection of ports | 17:17 |
| trozet | vikram: of course one would only be able ot match on network/ports outside of his tenant if he had proper admin rights given by RBAC I think | 17:17 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, LouisF i think classification in general should provide all the attribute on which you can steer the traffic, except it enforces which attribute to be made mandatory or enforces any dependency between the matching attributes | 17:17 |
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| s3wong | trozet: I got to be honest, on the plumbing side, I don't know how to render 'network' into something like OVS flow table... subnet? VLAN? | 17:17 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: If we can use existing way to cover other scenarios, I would rather not add more and more primitives in the FC | 17:18 |
| LouisF | s3wong: +1 | 17:18 |
| trozet | s3wong: in ODL its matched on in flows | 17:18 |
| trozet | s3wong: in OVS | 17:18 |
| vikram | vishnoianil, I am not suggesting to remove the src port attribute | 17:18 |
| vishnoianil | s3wong, ideally it should be associated subnet, because it's lower level construct then network | 17:18 |
| trozet | s3wong: i think its part of hte tunnel ID for vxlan, but need to confirm | 17:19 |
| vishnoianil | network has one to many associativity with subnet | 17:19 |
| vikram | vishnoianil, Just not to mandate it | 17:19 |
| Cathy__ | s3wong: good point | 17:19 |
| s3wong | Cathy__, vikram. LouisF: how about this then? If a source port is specified in the FC, we know where to put it; if not, all traffic is subjected to classification and matching? | 17:19 |
| vishnoianil | vikram, okay, i think mandating it might create a problem | 17:19 |
| Cathy__ | s3wong: that is existing way:-) | 17:20 |
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| Cathy__ | OK, so now the issue is "mandatory" or not | 17:20 |
| vikram | vishnoianil, Yup.. | 17:20 |
| vikram | Cathy__: +1 | 17:20 |
| s3wong | Cathy__: I see --- how the discussion is much more clear :-) | 17:20 |
| s3wong | * now | 17:20 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, "ingress port" actually scope your traffic to the specific port, so any classification you will specify after specify ingress port, will be scoped to that ingress port only | 17:21 |
| LouisF | it can made optional in the FC with the caveat that in certain implementations there may be performance impact | 17:21 |
| Cathy__ | raofei: I remember you have some point on this. | 17:21 |
| vikram | LouisF: For this one can provide this info using service_chainparam | 17:21 |
| s3wong | Cathy__: in that context, I actually side with vikram here... we want the FC to be flexible enough to be specified as "all traffic from all port should be matched against this" | 17:21 |
| vikram | LouisF: For this one can provide this info using service_chain_parameter | 17:21 |
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| vishnoianil | so if make ingress port mandatory, to specify classification at switch level you will have to cater traffic each port basis and that can lead to flow explosion at the device level :) | 17:22 |
| s3wong | LouisF: +1, exactly! | 17:22 |
| trozet | so from reading this discussion, matching on port is already supported, the discussion is whether to make it mandatory or not? | 17:22 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: yes | 17:23 |
| LouisF | trozet: correct | 17:23 |
| vikram | trozet: +1000 | 17:23 |
| s3wong | trozet: yep, my understanding as well (finally, after some long discussions) :-) | 17:23 |
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| vikram | :( | 17:23 |
| trozet | why would you want to make it mandatory? | 17:23 |
| trozet | that doesn't make much sense to me | 17:23 |
| vishnoianil | trozet, In my personal opinion, that's not good idea | 17:23 |
| Cathy__ | there is a reason we later made it mandatory. I am still thinking about why. | 17:23 |
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| vikram | Cathy__: IIRC, it was for identifying the flow on the other compute node | 17:24 |
| trozet | Cathy__: was that simply because then you know where to place the classifier flow? | 17:24 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: no | 17:24 |
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| LouisF | it is currently mandatory, if it is made optional then the OVS rules for matching must be installed on all OVS switches | 17:24 |
| Cathy__ | vikram: yes, something like that. I remember I described the scenario in one of our previous IRC meeting. | 17:25 |
| vikram | Cathy__: If the chain span across multiple nodes then we need to identify th flow | 17:25 |
| LouisF | trozet: +1 | 17:25 |
| mohankumar__ | Cathy__ , i remember , to find Compute node belongs to same tenent nw or different tenent (or OVS rather ) | 17:25 |
| vikram | coming from chain / it's normal packet | 17:25 |
| trozet | LouisF: yeah they should be on every OVS if not specific to a port | 17:25 |
| LouisF | trozet: yep | 17:25 |
| s3wong | LouisF: which probably is the user intent in this context (that the flow rules should be matched on all OVS switches) | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: yes | 17:26 |
| Cathy__ | So if the same flow comes back to SF VMs which happen to run on the same computer node, we need a way to distinguish this since depending on where the flow comes, the next hop is different. | 17:27 |
| trozet | so I guess the question is, who in the room wants to keep it mandatory? | 17:27 |
| vikram | trozet: +1000.. and where to mandate this | 17:27 |
| vikram | My proposal is we can pass the src port info "[--chain-parameters <chain-parameter>]" here, if needed | 17:29 |
| Cathy__ | If I remember correctly, we decided to use the source port as a way to distinguish the traffic entering the chain from the traffic that loop back to the compute node | 17:29 |
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| s3wong | Cathy__: I think it is perfectly fine if we happen to render the chain / FC into flow rules with source port context --- so that is something we (drivers) can do, without subjecting users to specify a source port | 17:30 |
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| vikram | s3wong: I didn't get you | 17:31 |
| trozet | Cathy__: yeah if you have to specify port in classifier so you know that a return packet to OVS shouldnt be reclassified and is still part of the chain--that seems to me like you are fixing a chain problem by restricting the classifier | 17:31 |
| trozet | Cathy__: the chain flows should know where the packet is in the chain, and not restrict the classifier IMO | 17:32 |
| s3wong | vikram, Cathy__: in your example, say SF1->SF2->SF3, a FC matches traffic to SF1 | 17:32 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: could you calrify what you mean by "chain flows should know where the packet is in the chain"? | 17:32 |
| s3wong | vikram, Cathy__: if say SF3 happens to be in the same node as SF1, we can render a source port on the return traffic from SF2 -> SF3 with the same flow rules | 17:33 |
| LouisF | trozet: return packets from the egress port of SF are re-classified on the current design | 17:34 |
| raofei | yes, s3wrong, for one scenario, service path is sf1->sf2->sf1->sf3, if we don't assign the source port, it's difficult to distinguish the return the traffic. | 17:34 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: when the flow loops back to the same vSwitch that the traffic originally enters the chain, how does the vSwitch determine the different next hop? | 17:34 |
| trozet | Cathy__: well NSH solves that problem | 17:34 |
| LouisF | the ovs driver/agent acts like a sfc proxy device | 17:34 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: yes | 17:35 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, LouisF trozet , are we talking of this specific problem, when we don't use NSH encap? | 17:35 |
| vikram | trozet: ;) Reality is tough | 17:35 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: if we use NSH, we can use the service_index to solve it | 17:35 |
| trozet | Cathy__: I'm not as familiar with how you are doing SFC in networking-sfc | 17:35 |
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| s3wong | vishnoianil: technically OVS has no NSH support | 17:35 |
| vikram | vishnoianil: yes | 17:35 |
| s3wong | vishnoianil: independently of what ODL SFC is using :-) | 17:35 |
| mohankumar__ | vishnoianil , its not included to ovs officially | 17:35 |
| vishnoianil | s3wong, agree, but in ODL we do run OVS with NSH (that's not official version) | 17:36 |
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| Cathy__ | trozet: when we proposed the SCH spec which merged with NSH, we considered this case and service_index can be used for solving it | 17:36 |
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| LouisF | raofei: but the driver/agent matches on the egress port so is can distinguish return traffic from that originating from the source port | 17:36 |
| trozet | s3wong: :) let's not go down that road... it will be in a few months | 17:36 |
| vishnoianil | s3wong, vishnoianil mohankumar__ agree | 17:36 |
| s3wong | raofei: in that case, how would user specify source port for SF1->SF2 vs SF1->SF3? | 17:36 |
| LouisF | vishnoianil: does odl support nsh-aware SFs? | 17:36 |
| vikram | Time is really draining fast ;) | 17:37 |
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| trozet | Cathy__: so in current networking-sfc implementation, how do you distinguish a packet that is part of a chain versus regular tenant traffic? | 17:37 |
| vishnoianil | LouisF, ODL can support NSH, but having SF NSH aware is kind of out of scope for ODL | 17:37 |
| vikram | trozet: https://github.com/openstack/networking-sfc/blob/master/doc/source/ovs_driver_and_agent_workflow.rst | 17:38 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: through the FC. Not sure if I understand your question properly | 17:38 |
| s3wong | vikram: the beauty of explaining things via IRC ... a whiteboard session would have explained the problem in 10 minutes :-) | 17:38 |
| LouisF | vishnoianil: so the odl driver for sfc must do re-classification of packets returned from each SF | 17:38 |
| Cathy__ | If OVS officially supports NSH, then we do not need this "mandatory". | 17:38 |
| vikram | s3wong :) | 17:38 |
| vishnoianil | s3wong, Cathy__ trozet LouisF , i think won't it be good if we take this topic to mailing list, probably that will bring us to conclusion faster :), just an opinion | 17:39 |
| LouisF | Cathy__: it depends on whether the SF is nsh-aware and the need to do reclassifcation on return traffic | 17:39 |
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| Cathy__ | trozet: Do you mean that OVS will officially support NSH in a few months? About what time will NSH be merged into OVS officially? | 17:39 |
| vishnoianil | Cathy__, Yes, 2.6 should have support for NSH | 17:39 |
| vikram | Cathy__: My opinion is we should resolve the issue by disturbing a generic API | 17:39 |
| Cathy__ | vishnoianil: great! when is that? | 17:40 |
| s3wong | vishnoianil: really? was it finally merged? I've seen the outstanding patch there forever... | 17:40 |
| raofei | agree with Louis | 17:40 |
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| LouisF | vikram: not sure what you mean | 17:40 |
| vishnoianil | vikram, do you mean "by NOT disturbing" ? | 17:40 |
| LouisF | vishnoianil: who is doing that work? | 17:41 |
| vikram | vishnoianil, LouisF: Not imposing a restriction on a generic API | 17:41 |
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| Cathy__ | Maybe we can put this in the back burner for now and if we can get NSH support soon, then we will remove the "mandatory" at that "soon" time. | 17:41 |
| vikram | what we are having today by making the src port as a mandatory field | 17:41 |
| trozet | Cathy__: ok now I see you are using the MPLS header to track if its part of the chain | 17:41 |
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| LouisF | vikram: you mean by making the src port mandatory in the FC? | 17:42 |
| vikram | trozet: You are fast :) | 17:42 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: yes, that is a place holder for future NSH header | 17:42 |
| trozet | Cathy__: so then what loop packet are we talking about that gets accidentally reclassified? | 17:42 |
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| trozet | Cathy__: egress from the chain? | 17:42 |
| vikram | LouisF: I am half sleepy now.. ;) I mean not to make it mandatory | 17:42 |
| vikram | LouisF: It's time to bed :( | 17:42 |
| LouisF | vikram: thanks for joining | 17:43 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: not egress from the chain. Think about if all SF VM runs on the same Computer Node (vSwitch) | 17:43 |
| mohankumar__ | Cathy__ : i agree , to remove mandatory once we ve NSH suppport | 17:43 |
| vikram | LouisF: Please forgive if I sound stupid today .. Tiering day | 17:43 |
| Cathy__ | mohankumar__: Ok, good. | 17:44 |
| Cathy__ | vikram: mohankumar__ thanks for joining at your mid night! | 17:44 |
| vikram | Cathy__: Does ODL has any issues ? | 17:44 |
| LouisF | trozet: the end-of-chain case is ok because the ovs driver/agent reclassifies on the egress port of the last SF | 17:44 |
| Cathy__ | raofei: Thanks to you too at your 1am time !!! | 17:44 |
| vikram | Cathy__: Does ODL has any issues if we continu src port as mandatory in the FC API? | 17:45 |
| trozet | Cathy__: yeah so if you have multiple SF on the same node, when the packet from SF1-->OVS-->SF2 that is where you are worried about a reclassification problem if you dont specify a port? | 17:45 |
| LouisF | raofei: +1000 | 17:45 |
| Cathy__ | vikram: not that I am aware of | 17:45 |
| vikram | trozet, vishnoianil, any inputs? | 17:45 |
| trozet | vikram: yeah it's not good | 17:46 |
| LouisF | vikram: is it an issue for the onos driver? | 17:46 |
| vikram | i don't remeber for ONOS | 17:46 |
| Cathy__ | so SourcePort->OVS->SF1->OVS->SF2 | 17:46 |
| vikram | but I remember we were able to do it without src port as well | 17:47 |
| trozet | virkam: then if you want to match on tcp port 80 traffic, you have to create N number of classifiers for every port, or you just ignore any match port criteria from networking-sfc in the ODL driver | 17:47 |
| Cathy__ | If no source port, then FC rules with no SourcePort->OVS->SF1->OVS->SF2 | 17:47 |
| trozet | Cathy__: so your ingress packet from SF1, dont you have flows tha match ont eh MPLS header to decide if the packet is still part of the chain? | 17:48 |
| vikram | trozet: Agreed.. but frankly speaking classifier should be deployed a separate node and all the traffic should pass through it | 17:48 |
| Cathy__ | how about this? I will send out a diagram describing this scenario. We have spent enough time on this discussion:-) I think a diagram will explain the problem easier. | 17:49 |
| LouisF | vikram: that depends on the usage scenario - for mobile Gi LAN that would be correct, but the DC is different | 17:49 |
| s3wong | trozet: yes, exactly what I was thinking... the match from unencapulated packet to SF1 and the second time it hits SF1 should be different | 17:50 |
| vikram | LouisF: Yes.. I realized | 17:50 |
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| pcarver | vikram: Can't assume traffic will be small enough to all pass through a single node | 17:50 |
| vikram | pcarver: make sense.. | 17:50 |
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| vishnoianil | trozet, SF on same SFF problem, why we can't solve that problem using NXM-REG? | 17:50 |
| vikram | Really learning SFC now ;) | 17:50 |
| trozet | Cathy__: so the issue is you dont encap the tunnel header if you are on the same OVS node, so you don't know the packet is part of the chain? | 17:51 |
| vikram | trozet: for your question, yes ONOS currently installs flow for N ports separately | 17:51 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: yes, no need for tunnel header since it will not go through the tunnel | 17:51 |
| LouisF | vishnoianil: for multiple SFs on the same SFF (OVS) it is not a problem beacuse the rules will match on the egress port of each SF | 17:51 |
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| vishnoianil | LouisF, okay | 17:52 |
| vishnoianil | LouisF, reading trough chat with your max speed,sometime confuses you :P | 17:52 |
| trozet | vishnoianil: yeah maybe im sure shague would have a good fix for this | 17:52 |
| vishnoianil | trozet, yeah | 17:53 |
| Cathy__ | vishnoianil: it will match on the egress port of each SF, so we need a source port to distinguish traffic on the source port from traffic on the egress port of each SF | 17:53 |
| LouisF | trozet: it would be good to find out how odl handles the non-nsh-aware SF | 17:53 |
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| Cathy__ | with NSH support, this issue is gone. | 17:54 |
| LouisF | Cathy__: agree, for nsh-aware SFs | 17:54 |
| trozet | Cathy__: so cant you match on ingress port for the chain, rather than ingress port with the classifier? | 17:54 |
| trozet | Cathy__: if you just make the chain rule match on SF1 in_port | 17:55 |
| trozet | Cathy__: but then what if that VNF is part of multiple chains, how do you know what is the next hop? | 17:55 |
| trozet | since you have no header | 17:55 |
| LouisF | trozet: the "ingress port" for the chain is the ingress port of the FC | 17:55 |
| trozet | LouisF: i mean in_port from the previous VNF in the chain | 17:55 |
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| s3wong | trozet: even if we have to reclassify, that is OK --- as long as the rules are replicated with the ingress port added ... I still think driver is a right place to do this, as opposed to having user specify a port | 17:56 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: we still need to distinguish the traffic on the source port which is before the SF1, from the traffic on SF1 in_port | 17:57 |
| trozet | s3wong: yeah thats a good point | 17:57 |
| LouisF | trozet: by egress port from a SF port-pair would be the OVS in_port | 17:57 |
| trozet | s3wong: just making the OVS networking-sfc driver apply the classifier to each port | 17:57 |
| Cathy__ | trozet: since all the traffic is handled by the same Compute Node and vSwitch | 17:57 |
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| s3wong | Cathy__: traffic into chain is FC, traffic to SF1 is in_port SF1 + FC, which the driver needs to be smart enough to add... does that work? | 17:58 |
| LouisF | trozet: the VNF re-classify will discriminate the chains when multiple chains use that VNF | 17:59 |
| Cathy__ | s3wong: that seems a good way. let me think about it more | 17:59 |
| Cathy__ | Hi folks, time is up. | 17:59 |
| scsnow | I have a question regarding currect SFC implemenation in OVS driver. Where can I ask it? | 17:59 |
| vikram | :) | 17:59 |
| s3wong | good discussion! | 17:59 |
| Cathy__ | Let's continue the discussion in next meeting. We only cover one topic today:-) | 17:59 |
| LouisF | scsnow: here | 17:59 |
| vikram | scsnow: Mailing List | 17:59 |
| Cathy__ | scsnow: could you send your Q via email | 17:59 |
| Cathy__ | Ok, by everyone | 18:00 |
| vikram | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:00 |
| mohankumar__ | bye | 18:00 |
| scsnow | I was waiting for open discussion topic here ) | 18:00 |
| Cathy__ | scsnow: :-) | 18:00 |
| vikram | scsnow :) | 18:00 |
| doonhammer | bye | 18:00 |
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| Cathy__ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 18:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-04-07-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-04-07-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-04-07-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| davidsha | Cathy__: Hey, I'm looking into inter operability between features using openflows, I'm planning on hosting a design session at the summit to discuss this if you're interested in attending? | 18:03 |
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| Cathy__ | sure. Could you send me the time and location via email? I have a talk on Thursday, as long as the time does not conflict. | 18:05 |
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| davidsha | Cathy__: Kk, there isn't any times yet but I'll let you know once I know. | 18:06 |
| Cathy__ | davidsha: ok. | 18:07 |
| Cathy__ | by now | 18:07 |
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