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| gampel | Hi everyone who is here | 09:01 |
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| gampel | #startmeeting dragonflow | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 09:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gampel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:01 |
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| gampel | hi everyone who is here ? | 09:01 |
| raofei | hi everyone | 09:01 |
| oanson | Hi. | 09:01 |
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| gampel | #info oanson raofei in the meeting | 09:02 |
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| gampel | gal will not be able to join us today :-( | 09:02 |
| gampel | is there anyone else here today ? | 09:02 |
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| gampel | yuli , duankebo ? | 09:03 |
| raofei | oh, hope there is no impact. | 09:03 |
| yuli_s | i am here | 09:03 |
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| DuanKebo | HI | 09:04 |
| gampel | I think that we will mange we will cover with him his part latter | 09:04 |
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| gampel | welcome | 09:04 |
| gampel | #info DuanKebo, yuli_s in the meeting | 09:04 |
| gampel | are we waiting for some one else , is nick-ma joining ? | 09:05 |
| raofei | Hi Duankebo, does Yuanwei need to join the meeting for sg feature? | 09:05 |
| nick-ma | i'm here. | 09:06 |
| gampel | welcome | 09:06 |
| gampel | #info nick-ma in the meeting | 09:06 |
| DuanKebo | Yuawei is answering the pone. | 09:06 |
| gampel | #topic Bugs | 09:06 |
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| gampel | #topic Bugs | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:06 | |
| gampel | @omer and @yuli can you please update on this topic | 09:07 |
| oanson | Yes | 09:07 |
| yuli_s | Sure | 09:07 |
| oanson | We went over the bugs. | 09:07 |
| oanson | We have given each bug a priority. | 09:07 |
| yuli_s | Nad closed some fixed ones | 09:07 |
| oanson | Obviously if someone thinks a bug is more or less important than what we said he should let @yuli_s know | 09:07 |
| raofei | ok | 09:08 |
| oanson | Most bugs have assignees, but if anyone wants to volunteer to solve a bug, feel free :) | 09:08 |
| nick-ma | ok. | 09:08 |
| gampel | are there any important bugs that are not assign ? | 09:08 |
| oanson | There are a few bugs for which there are no assignees, and they're set to high. | 09:08 |
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| yuli_s | oanson: can you paste the list pls | 09:09 |
| oanson | Specifically, #1495432 #1517049 and #1527220 need investigation, and owners to investigate them | 09:09 |
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| gampel | this bugs are open for grab any takers | 09:10 |
| oanson | nick-ma, #1529326 and #1529812 are related to db consistency. Is there one bug that unifies all these issues? Since you are rewriting it according to a new spec? | 09:10 |
| nick-ma | yes. | 09:10 |
| nick-ma | the spec is to fix them all. | 09:10 |
| DuanKebo | Zhu weiqiong can work in some bugs. | 09:10 |
| yuli_s | we have api performance degradation bug , #1556807 | 09:11 |
| gampel | ok thats great please look at the bugs list | 09:11 |
| gampel | #action everyone go over the high priority bugs and try to take what he can | 09:12 |
| oanson | Bug 1548029 also needs an owner | 09:12 |
| openstack | bug 1548029 in DragonFlow "Deadlock when allocating IP" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1548029 | 09:12 |
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| gampel | Yuli: you are taking #1556807 | 09:13 |
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| gampel | Everyone please go over the bugs | 09:13 |
| nick-ma | ok | 09:13 |
| oanson | I think that's it for High importance bugs. | 09:13 |
| oanson | If anyone sees a bug assigned to someone else, don't feel shy to take over :) | 09:14 |
| gampel | is there any additional issues with any of the BUGs ? | 09:14 |
| raofei | ok:) | 09:14 |
| gampel | #topic DB Consistency | 09:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB Consistency (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:14 | |
| yuli_s | gampel: I will dig deeper in #1556807 | 09:14 |
| gampel | #link DB Consistency https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282290/ | 09:14 |
| gampel | nick-ma: do you what to update the stage is yours | 09:15 |
| nick-ma | I updated the spec and code to use a simple lock to fix the race. | 09:15 |
| nick-ma | I also removed the versioned object design, because I think it is not for the current stage and need a spec to discuss about it. | 09:16 |
| gampel | ok so we do not do the version per resource in the first phase | 09:16 |
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| gampel | so you think that we should move this to the n cycle | 09:16 |
| nick-ma | yes, we can iterate based upon the current implementation. | 09:16 |
| gampel | Ok I agree we do not have much time | 09:16 |
| nick-ma | for db consistency, it is not mandatory. | 09:16 |
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| gampel | we need to look why the rally test are failing if it is related | 09:17 |
| nick-ma | I checked the rally. it is about deleting default sg. | 09:18 |
| nick-ma | which is really weird. | 09:18 |
| gampel | Ok so please everyone review the db consistency path I think it is high priority | 09:18 |
| gampel | lets try to merge it as soon as possible | 09:19 |
| nick-ma | yes, I tested it using rally in my lab, it is working. | 09:19 |
| nick-ma | I will figure out the gate failure. | 09:19 |
| gampel | yuli_s: can you run nick-ma patch on your local rally test | 09:19 |
| yuli_s | sure | 09:19 |
| raofei | ok, will do | 09:20 |
| gampel | #action yuli_s test the DB consistency path with his local scripts (the control path testing ) | 09:20 |
| yuli_s | I will talki with nick-ma about his tests | 09:20 |
| nick-ma | ok. | 09:20 |
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| gampel | nic-ma: any other issues with this topic ? | 09:20 |
| nick-ma | no. | 09:21 |
| gampel | #topic Publish-Subscribe | 09:21 |
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| gampel | we are missing reliability and service discovery table | 09:21 |
| gampel | omer: will you be able to take the service discovery table | 09:21 |
| oanson | Sure | 09:22 |
| gampel | reliability is dependent on the resource version | 09:22 |
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| gampel | currently we do not send the value but get it fro the controller just send notification of a change | 09:22 |
| raofei | Can you please explain what's the reliability table? | 09:22 |
| gampel | it is the service discovery table | 09:23 |
| raofei | OK. | 09:23 |
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| gampel | currently pubsub subscriber take the publisher IPs for the config file | 09:23 |
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| gampel | this is realted only to non broker solution like zmq | 09:23 |
| gampel | I think that the reliability will be delayed to n cycle :-( | 09:24 |
| gampel | #link pubsub spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263733/ | 09:25 |
| oanson | I can try taking that as well - at least verifying that no messages are missed from publishers | 09:25 |
| gampel | i will rebase it today please everyone review | 09:25 |
| oanson | (i.e. publisher UUID + message ID) | 09:25 |
| nick-ma | ok | 09:25 |
| gampel | #action omer do the service discovery for the publishers | 09:25 |
| gampel | #topic Redis Driver | 09:26 |
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| gampel | #link redis https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274340/ | 09:26 |
| gampel | @feipeng is here | 09:26 |
| gampel | DuanKebo: can you update ? | 09:26 |
| DuanKebo | OK | 09:27 |
| DuanKebo | the code is completed. He is adding some ut | 09:27 |
| DuanKebo | and fullstack test code. | 09:27 |
| gampel | it is missing the devstack plugin update for redis | 09:28 |
| nick-ma | do not forget to add devstack script, that greatly helps deployment. | 09:28 |
| gampel | :) | 09:28 |
| DuanKebo | Yes. | 09:28 |
| gampel | fullstack is currently configured with zmq | 09:28 |
| gampel | we need to consider adding additional CI or do unit testing for the redis pubsub | 09:29 |
| DuanKebo | For the code, he has fixed all the comments. | 09:29 |
| gampel | ok does he want to have the devstack in the same patch ? | 09:29 |
| gampel | if not this patch need to be dependent on it | 09:30 |
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| gampel | #action feipeng i add devstack and testing to the redis patch | 09:31 |
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| gampel | lets try to merge it this week | 09:31 |
| gampel | let us know if you need any help with the devstack plugin | 09:32 |
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| gampel | #topic Selective Proactive and OVSDB Monitor | 09:33 |
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| gampel | DuanKebo: the stage is yours | 09:33 |
| gampel | #link Selective Proactive https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282945/ | 09:33 |
| gampel | #link OVSDB Monitor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281687/ | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | there are some new review comments | 09:33 |
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| DuanKebo | Hujie will renew the code | 09:34 |
| gampel | I will go over it again today i think this is very high priority to merge and test | 09:34 |
| DuanKebo | Yes. | 09:35 |
| DuanKebo | we are building the fullstack envirment | 09:35 |
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| gampel | are there any open issues , as i wrote i think that local_interface or just interface are better then linterface for the table name | 09:35 |
| gampel | when do you think you will have it ready ? | 09:36 |
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| gampel | DuanKebo: any open issues or you think we could merge this week | 09:37 |
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| DuanKebo | We need to merge | 09:38 |
| DuanKebo | ovsdb monitor, redis | 09:38 |
| DuanKebo | and selective topo | 09:39 |
| gampel | Ok lets everyone try to review this two patches as soon as possible | 09:39 |
| DuanKebo | asap. | 09:39 |
| gampel | #topic Distributed DNAT | 09:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Distributed DNAT (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:39 | |
| DuanKebo | yes. | 09:39 |
| gampel | #link D DNAT https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289148/ | 09:39 |
| nick-ma | ok | 09:39 |
| raofei | please everyone review it. | 09:39 |
| gampel | raofei: the stage is yours | 09:39 |
| gampel | any issues ? | 09:40 |
| raofei | The 1st stage, distributed-DNAT only support VXLAN network. The next stage it will support VLAN network. | 09:40 |
| raofei | no, just some merge conflict. | 09:40 |
| gampel | it is any tunneling right gre vxlan ... | 09:40 |
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| nick-ma | how about geneve? | 09:41 |
| raofei | yes. | 09:41 |
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| nick-ma | it is the default in df. | 09:41 |
| gampel | again we need every one to review as much as he can not only his patches | 09:41 |
| raofei | it can support. I think all the overlay tunnel | 09:41 |
| nick-ma | ok | 09:42 |
| raofei | current DNAApp doesn't support send arp request periodically | 09:42 |
| raofei | I will optimize this point. | 09:42 |
| gampel | for the pub IP , will you add this | 09:42 |
| gampel | great | 09:42 |
| raofei | yes | 09:42 |
| gampel | #action raofei add another patch for sending periodic arp | 09:43 |
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| gampel | any other issues on D DNAT | 09:43 |
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| raofei | current there is no issue. please test and review the code. | 09:44 |
| raofei | help to find issues. | 09:44 |
| gampel | #topic Security groups and port security | 09:44 |
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| gampel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280538/ | 09:44 |
| gampel | who can update ? | 09:44 |
| gampel | raofei ? DuanKebo ? | 09:45 |
| DuanKebo | Dingbo has submit | 09:45 |
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| DuanKebo | part of the code | 09:45 |
| raofei | yes, Dingbo will complete this feature this week. | 09:46 |
| DuanKebo | and he well sumbit rest of code later. | 09:46 |
| gampel | do you have an estimate when ? | 09:46 |
| DuanKebo | I think the week | 09:47 |
| raofei | Can you please verify gample? | 09:47 |
| raofei | @Dingbo ,Can you please verify gample? | 09:47 |
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| dingboopt | ok | 09:48 |
| gampel | hi welcome | 09:48 |
| nick-ma | hi | 09:48 |
| gampel | can you please update on SG | 09:48 |
| dingboopt | I submit code for review | 09:48 |
| dingboopt | the test code is being writted | 09:49 |
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| dingboopt | I will update it soon | 09:49 |
| gampel | there are few comment all ready and me and Omer will go over it again today | 09:49 |
| dingboopt | thanks | 09:49 |
| gampel | every one please review this is a big patch | 09:49 |
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| dingboopt | I will take a look | 09:49 |
| raofei | ok | 09:50 |
| DuanKebo | yes, i will review it also. | 09:50 |
| gampel | ok lets try to merge this one as soon as possible as well so we could start testing SG | 09:50 |
| gampel | #topic testing and QA | 09:50 |
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| DuanKebo | dingboopt, please upload the rest code asap | 09:50 |
| gampel | DuanKebo, raofei are you doing any scale and feature test on your side | 09:51 |
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| DuanKebo | yes | 09:51 |
| DuanKebo | we are preparing a perf test envirnment. | 09:52 |
| gampel | thats great , do you have any thing to share ? | 09:52 |
| DuanKebo | not yet. | 09:52 |
| gampel | did you talk with @shlomo about his testing | 09:52 |
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| raofei | I just did the the functionality test, the performance test depends on the test setup. | 09:53 |
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| DuanKebo | we are focus on control plane currently | 09:53 |
| raofei | of course, some test tools will be used to do. | 09:53 |
| gampel | this is good @yuli is working on it as well | 09:54 |
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| gampel | maybe you could work together on it | 09:54 |
| gampel | yuli: do you what to share the control path testing you are writing | 09:54 |
| yuli_s | sure | 09:54 |
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| DuanKebo | we will work togher with yuli | 09:54 |
| yuli_s | the spec is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282873/ | 09:54 |
| yuli_s | i started to do the tests | 09:54 |
| DuanKebo | he is also woking on controll plane test. | 09:54 |
| yuli_s | these are the results of my tests so far | 09:55 |
| gampel | #action DuanKebo and yuli work together on the control path testing | 09:55 |
| yuli_s | https://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/1556807 | 09:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556807 in DragonFlow "Performance degradation when multiple subnets added" [High,New] - Assigned to Yuli (stremovsky) | 09:55 |
| yuli_s | https://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/1556598 | 09:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556598 in DragonFlow "ovs-vswitchd too many open files" [High,New] - Assigned to Yuli (stremovsky) | 09:55 |
| gampel | #link control path testing patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282873/ | 09:55 |
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| gampel | we will increase the ulimit for the ovs vswitchd | 09:56 |
| gampel | we do not have much time , any other issues ? | 09:56 |
| gampel | lets try to collaborate on the testing | 09:57 |
| raofei | ok | 09:57 |
| gampel | any other comments issues suggestions ? | 09:57 |
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| gampel | if not thank you everyone very good job | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | thanks | 09:58 |
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| gampel | I think the M release will be very good | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | of course. bye. | 09:59 |
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| gampel | bye | 09:59 |
| gampel | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:59 | |
| raofei | bye | 09:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 09:59:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-03-14-09.01.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-03-14-09.01.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-03-14-09.01.log.html | 09:59 |
| DuanKebo | bye | 09:59 |
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| gsagie | Hello all, anyone here for Kuryr IRC meeting? | 15:03 |
| fawadkhaliq | o/ | 15:03 |
| banix | o/ | 15:03 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 15:03 |
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| gsagie | #startmeeting kuryr | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 15:03:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 15:03 |
| mspreitz | o/ | 15:04 |
| gsagie | #info fawadkhaliq, banix, salv-orlando, mspreitz, gsagie in meeting | 15:04 |
| janki91 | o/ | 15:04 |
| gsagie | Hello everyone, apuimedo and irena are not here and they have some important updates for the Kubernetes integration but lets do a quick sync | 15:05 |
| gsagie | #info janki91 in meeting too :) | 15:05 |
| gsagie | Hi janki91, welcome | 15:05 |
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| janki91 | Hi gsagie | 15:05 |
| gsagie | hi irenab, having some connection problems? | 15:05 |
| irenab | hi | 15:05 |
| gsagie | #topic Kubernetes integration | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kubernetes integration (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:05 | |
| irenab | sorry, had to restart the computer .... | 15:05 |
| gsagie | you came just in time :) | 15:05 |
| janki91 | Thank you, This is my first time in the meeting | 15:05 |
| gsagie | janki91: cool, nice to see you and thanks for joining | 15:06 |
| irenab | Shall I provide a update? | 15:06 |
| gsagie | irenab: yep | 15:06 |
| gsagie | #link kubernetes integration spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281132/ | 15:06 |
| irenab | So there is a spec for review focusing on basic (no policy support) connectivity use case | 15:07 |
| irenab | we started to POC on the implementation | 15:07 |
| irenab | having 2 components: API watecher and translator (Raven) and kuryr CNI plugin | 15:07 |
| gsagie | irenab: i think that apuimedo plan was to send a separate more detail spec for each of the parts (in addition to yours) is this still the case? | 15:08 |
| irenab | There will be devrefs pushed for review as soon as we have basic end to end wofkflow | 15:08 |
| gsagie | ohh okie great | 15:08 |
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| irenab | we almost have it working, but no ping yet :-) | 15:09 |
| irenab | Please review the spec | 15:09 |
| gsagie | i reviewed your patch, i think the mapping looks good and over all the approach seems the best option we came up | 15:09 |
| gsagie | but will give a chance for others to comment as well | 15:09 |
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| gsagie | but good work | 15:09 |
| irenab | great, so will be more patches in comming days for detailed design and code | 15:09 |
| irenab | There is also Mike’s patch with Policy mapping | 15:10 |
| gsagie | this is just for the initial connectivity right? nothing in terms of services or DNS discovery yet | 15:10 |
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| banix | irenab: wrt the use of FIP, using a network with publicly routable IP addresses could be an option? | 15:10 |
| irenab | gsagie: including services | 15:11 |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290172/ Kubernetes integration by translate | 15:11 |
| mspreitz | I also have a simple no-policy patch, https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/21956 | 15:11 |
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| irenab | banix: I beleive so, if you choose to have this subnet defined as cluster service ip range | 15:11 |
| irenab | mspreitz: do you think it complimentary or different to the patch I push? | 15:11 |
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| mspreitz | irenab: I was not aware of your patch, need to learn about it | 15:12 |
| salv-orlando | stupid question... is 290172 inline with 281132 or is it an alternative? I've not reviewed yet, just curious | 15:12 |
| salv-orlando | irenab: even more stupidly I asked your same question I think | 15:12 |
| * salv-orlando wins the idiot of the day prize | 15:13 | |
| mspreitz | I think they overlap | 15:13 |
| irenab | salv-orlando: I am confused too :-) | 15:13 |
| gsagie | i think its an alternative, i havent looked at Mike's patch yet but i believe this is what we talked about integrating with Kubernetesdirectly (the watcher and CNI) or translating the Docker calls | 15:13 |
| mspreitz | I do not fully understand 281132, wonder if I can ask some stupid questions | 15:13 |
| gsagie | But havent looked at Mikes patch | 15:13 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: sure :) thats the perfect time for it | 15:13 |
| irenab | mspreitz: there is no such thing as stupid question | 15:13 |
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| mspreitz | I am really confused about the remarks in 281132 about Service Discovery... | 15:14 |
| irenab | On making skyDNS work? | 15:14 |
| mspreitz | k8s already has service discovery and it is orthogonal to what we are talking about, as far as I can tell | 15:14 |
| mspreitz | The k8s DNS app already works, needs no help from Neutron | 15:14 |
| mspreitz | The k8s DNS app reads from the k8s apiserver | 15:14 |
| mspreitz | probelm? What problem? | 15:15 |
| irenab | As far as I understand skyDNS is deployed in the same way as the app service | 15:15 |
| mspreitz | what do you mean by "the app service" ? | 15:15 |
| irenab | in a pod managed by RC and service | 15:15 |
| irenab | there is service template and RC template for skyDNS | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | irenab: so perhaps you just mean that we should ensure every pod reaches the skydns pods | 15:15 |
| irenab | salv-orlando: yes | 15:16 |
| mspreitz | OK, maybe this is a good time to ask another stupid question... | 15:16 |
| mspreitz | If you mean "no policy", that includes "no isolation", right? | 15:16 |
| irenab | I mean not supporting the Network Policy k8s spec | 15:16 |
| salv-orlando | or to put it in another support k8s networking as it is today | 15:17 |
| mspreitz | you two just disagreed, I suspect | 15:17 |
| mspreitz | What do you think about this: implicit policy that isolates tenants? | 15:17 |
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| irenab | salv-orlando: thank you, exactly what I meant | 15:18 |
| irenab | mspreitz: I think currently there is no multi tenancy in k8s | 15:18 |
| mspreitz | does "no policy" include " but there is implicit isolation between tenants"? | 15:18 |
| mspreitz | There are no tenants in k8s, but there are tenants in Neutron. So let's be explicit about this. | 15:19 |
| mspreitz | Is 281132 trying to introduce multi-tenancy to k8s? | 15:19 |
| irenab | mspreitz: I beleive its the same approach as we took with libnetwork, start with single tenant | 15:19 |
| irenab | not at its first interation | 15:20 |
| mspreitz | So are we all agreed that "no policy" means "not even implicit isolation between tenants"? | 15:20 |
| irenab | I agree | 15:21 |
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| irenab | Later the tenant can be provided via k8s label/annotation or separate namespace | 15:21 |
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| gsagie | yes | 15:22 |
| irenab | but first lets make the current k8s networking work with neutron | 15:22 |
| mspreitz | salv-orlando: do you agree that "no policy" means "not even implicit isolation between tenants"? | 15:22 |
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| mspreitz | I guess he is busy with something else... | 15:23 |
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| salv-orlando | mspreitz: seems a legit interpreation | 15:23 |
| mspreitz | irenab: where is your patch? | 15:23 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: so now that we agree on that, are there any more unclear issues? | 15:24 |
| mspreitz | yes | 15:24 |
| mspreitz | what is the DNS problem? | 15:24 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281132/12 | 15:24 |
| mspreitz | I see no problem | 15:24 |
| mspreitz | yes, I am looking at rev 12 of that spec | 15:24 |
| gsagie | the question is how traffic is forwarded to the skyDNS instance | 15:24 |
| gsagie | transparently to the deployed networking solution | 15:24 |
| mspreitz | If we forget about DNS for a moment, the spec is about how apps talk to each other. Now, what additional problem does DNS bring? | 15:25 |
| irenab | I stated this more like a requirement than a challenge | 15:25 |
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| irenab | alternativer option is to use env variables for service name resolution | 15:25 |
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| mspreitz | Let me put it this way. In the no-policy case, once we solve the problem ignoring DNS, we are done. There is no additional problem in supporting the DNS app. | 15:26 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: i am not sure directly for the SkyDNS integration part, but for example for kube-proxy some solutions dont want to use iptables port forwarding as done right now | 15:26 |
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| gsagie | so since i am unfamiliar with the DNS integration, irenab, is there any similar problem in this regards ? | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | gsagie: Suppose we solve the problem ignoring DNS. Now we have solution in which apps can talk to each other. Does DNS bring any additional problem, in the no-policy case? | 15:27 |
| irenab | I think skyDNS is self contained, watching the API changes, maintains the registry and answers requests | 15:27 |
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| irenab | If removing skyDNS fro the spec makes it easier, I can remove it. Its more for the requirements | 15:28 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: i agree | 15:28 |
| mspreitz | gsagie: You mean you agree that DNS brings no additional problem in that case? | 15:29 |
| gsagie | i dont think it brings any problem if Kubernetes takes care for everything internally in the apps and this all is just 2 ports for Kuryr | 15:29 |
| gsagie | that needs connectivity | 15:29 |
| mspreitz | gsagie: So I think you agree that in the no-policy case there is no need to say anything about DNS because it is just another app. | 15:30 |
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| mspreitz | BTW, that is true regardless of which kube-proxy is used. | 15:30 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: yes i agree | 15:30 |
| irenab | mspreitz: its part of the k8s deployment that expected to work | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | irenab: Do you agree that in the no-policy case there is no need to say anything about DNS because it is just another app? | 15:31 |
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| gsagie | mspreitz: i only gave kube-proxy as an example, because you can refer to it similar like "an app" | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | gsagie: no. the kube-proxy is not just another app. | 15:31 |
| gsagie | so it should also work in that logic out of the box | 15:31 |
| irenab | mspreitz: yes | 15:31 |
| gsagie | mspreitz : okie :) so we agree | 15:31 |
| gsagie | was just trying to make sure the DNS is just an app | 15:31 |
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| irenab | its will be deployed in jube-system namespace, but the rest is as with any other app | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | irenab: do you have a patch that implements the no policy case? | 15:31 |
| irenab | mspreitz: its in progress | 15:32 |
| gsagie | and not closer to kube-proxy, just since i havent looked deeply at how it works | 15:32 |
| mspreitz | You may want to look at https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/21956, it is a simple no-policy solution. | 15:32 |
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| mspreitz | Very simple, not even specific to Neutron. It is a CNI plugin that connects to a configured pre-existing Docker network. | 15:32 |
| irenab | mspreitz: Will check this. thanks | 15:32 |
| gsagie | there is a POC done in another branch, i believe irena, tfukushima, apuimedo and devvesa should send it to Kuryr upstream soon | 15:32 |
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| irenab | gsagie: correct | 15:33 |
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| mspreitz | should others look at it now, or wait for the k8s PR? | 15:33 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: i think its worth sending this upstream to Kuryr just as well, i personally dont want to limit us | 15:33 |
| gsagie | #link mspreitz no-policy kubernetes integration solution https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/21956, | 15:33 |
| gsagie | #link mspreitz no-policy kubernetes integration solution https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/21956 | 15:33 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: i think we should all review both patches and better understand the differences | 15:34 |
| mspreitz | I have no problem with another PR. Should we look at that POC now, or wait for the PR? | 15:34 |
| gsagie | and then we can talk about it next meeting | 15:34 |
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| gsagie | mspreitz: i havent looked closer at your patch yet, and i will this week and the implementation so think its early to compare | 15:35 |
| gsagie | i think we should review irenab spec and the implementation should be upstreamed soon | 15:35 |
| gsagie | irenab: you think you will upload it for review by next meeting? | 15:35 |
| irenab | gsagie: I think so | 15:36 |
| gsagie | okie great | 15:36 |
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| gsagie | mspreitz: lets continue this discussion during the week and lets all review both solutions until next meeting, at least spec wise | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | OK but we are not done here | 15:37 |
| gsagie | anything else on this topic? | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | yes... | 15:37 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: agreed :) | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | (1) which kube-proxy; (2) with policy. | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | (3) node ports; (4) ingress | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | probably more | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | let's start with (1)? | 15:37 |
| gsagie | i think that since we wont have time to cover everything, lets arrange a specific meeting for this | 15:38 |
| mspreitz | OK with me | 15:38 |
| irenab | +1 | 15:38 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: any prefered time/date for everyone? | 15:38 |
| gsagie | banix, irenab, fawadkhaliq, salv-orlando | 15:39 |
| irenab | gsagie: your time preferences work for me | 15:39 |
| mspreitz | I work EDT hours | 15:39 |
| gsagie | :) | 15:39 |
| irenab | except for next week, I am on PTO | 15:39 |
| banix | sametime tomorrow? | 15:39 |
| gsagie | sametime tomorrow works for me | 15:39 |
| mspreitz | Same time tomorrow i have another meeting already | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | 15UTC tomorrow should work for me | 15:39 |
| fawadkhaliq | this week similar time should be good. | 15:39 |
| banix | or wednesday | 15:39 |
| mspreitz | hour earlier works for me | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | but generally speaking works every day | 15:39 |
| irenab | 30 mins earlier will be better for me, but I can manage the current timeslot | 15:39 |
| mspreitz | or 1500UTC wed also works for me | 15:40 |
| gsagie | okie 1500UTC wed works for everyone? | 15:40 |
| salv-orlando | gsagie: works for me | 15:40 |
| banix | yes | 15:40 |
| gsagie | will send an invite to everyone and hopefully apuimedo and taku can join as well | 15:40 |
| irenab | better either 30 mins befoe or after | 15:40 |
| salv-orlando | if we can finalize it now I'll add to my calendar so there will be some chances I won't forget about it | 15:40 |
| mspreitz | 1430UTC wed works fine for me | 15:40 |
| gsagie | 14:30? :) | 15:40 |
| salv-orlando | +1 | 15:40 |
| irenab | hope toni can join, taku I beleive cannot, its too late for him | 15:41 |
| gsagie | banix: ? | 15:41 |
| gsagie | fawadkhaliq: ? | 15:41 |
| banix | good by me | 15:41 |
| irenab | +1 | 15:41 |
| salv-orlando | is fawadkhaliq pst? | 15:41 |
| fawadkhaliq | works thanks | 15:41 |
| gsagie | okie great | 15:41 |
| fawadkhaliq | yes, PST | 15:41 |
| gsagie | so wed 14:30 | 15:41 |
| banix | i bet Toni is looking for goat cheese in the country today; must be back by tomorrow | 15:41 |
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| gsagie | #info we will do a kubernetes integration specific meeting on wed (3/16) 1430 UTC in #openstack-kuryr | 15:42 |
| gsagie | okie | 15:42 |
| gsagie | #topic nested containers and Magnum integration | 15:42 |
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| gsagie | We are running out of time :) fawadkhaliq the stage is yours | 15:42 |
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| fawadkhaliq | gsagie: thanks, i will be quick | 15:42 |
| fawadkhaliq | spec is merged. thanks all for the reviews. | 15:43 |
| gsagie | #action gsagie to send an invite about the meeting to everyone | 15:43 |
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| fawadkhaliq | next step, work on the design for Kuryr agent internals. | 15:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | I will hold a offline discussion over ML or openstack-kuryr to discuss | 15:43 |
| gsagie | fawadkhaliq: cool, i also have another person that can help you with the implementation | 15:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | gsagie: perfect, that would be great | 15:43 |
| gsagie | i will introduce you two and feel free to share some load with him | 15:44 |
| gsagie | okie | 15:44 |
| fawadkhaliq | that's all for now. | 15:44 |
| irenab | this was quick :-) | 15:44 |
| gsagie | okie grea, anything else on this topic from anyone? | 15:44 |
| fawadkhaliq | irenab: told you ;-) | 15:44 |
| gsagie | btw, we have the Magnum team approved the spec and plan right? | 15:44 |
| gsagie | i saw some reviews | 15:44 |
| mspreitz | Is there a go client for Neutron & Keystone? | 15:44 |
| fawadkhaliq | gsagie: that's correct | 15:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | we had +1 from hongbin | 15:45 |
| gsagie | ok cool | 15:45 |
| irenab | fawadkhaliq: does it have Vlan aware API as a dependency? | 15:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | mspreitz: I am not aware of any | 15:45 |
| mspreitz | And: is there a python client for k8s? | 15:45 |
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| gsagie | i would still love if we can email Adriand/Daneyon to review the plan as well, i will forward it to them eitherway | 15:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | irenab: that's a dependency right now, we might leverage the OVN mechanism is vlan aware vms is delayed. | 15:46 |
| gsagie | irenab: i think we agreed that we dont want this blocking us, we can use the same trick as OVN | 15:46 |
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| gsagie | using the binding profile | 15:46 |
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| fawadkhaliq | gsagie: agreed | 15:46 |
| irenab | gsagie: fawadkhaliq : meaning only plugin/MD that supports the trick will work | 15:47 |
| gsagie | irenab: yes, how do you currently configure this in Midonet? | 15:47 |
| gsagie | is it supported? | 15:47 |
| irenab | not yet | 15:47 |
| fawadkhaliq | irenab: yes, thats even true for vlan-aware-vms support. So in either case, all plugins will have to have support. | 15:47 |
| irenab | fawadkhaliq: agree | 15:48 |
| gsagie | i think its a relatively easy patch to add support, until vlan-aware-vms is fully merged | 15:48 |
| irenab | the ovn trick is simple, main work on the backend side anyway | 15:48 |
| fawadkhaliq | irenab: exactly | 15:48 |
| gsagie | okie, lets go for the next one | 15:48 |
| gsagie | #topic existing networks and use of neutron tags | 15:49 |
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| gsagie | banix: :) | 15:49 |
| banix | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288737/ is for use of tags with our current implementation | 15:49 |
| gsagie | banix: cool, i just saw yesterday you asked for help regarding the tests | 15:50 |
| gsagie | everything is solved or you still need it? | 15:50 |
| banix | then #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281132/ for supporting existing networks; once approved, the patch itself is ready to go too | 15:50 |
| banix | a recheck solved teh fullstack fail | 15:50 |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288737/ use of neutron tags | 15:50 |
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| banix | the rally check fail also seems a gate issue | 15:50 |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281132/ support existing networks | 15:50 |
| gsagie | banix: okie, will take a look | 15:51 |
| gsagie | #topic packaging | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packaging (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:51 | |
| banix | so should be in good shape to get this done this week | 15:51 |
| gsagie | banix: ok cool, good job, i will make sure to review it this week and hopefully can get it merged | 15:51 |
| gsagie | salv-orlando: not sure regarding the OVS+Kolla work | 15:52 |
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| salv-orlando | gsagie: I am not actively working on that unfortunately | 15:52 |
| banix | Hui Kang on our side is working on it | 15:52 |
| gsagie | salv-orlando: okie | 15:52 |
| gsagie | banix: okie great | 15:52 |
| banix | he has been delayed by other issues, will see if we can get him move this forward | 15:52 |
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| gsagie | there is another thing that i was supposed to look at and didnt get a chance and thats the failing fullstack tests that Baohua Yang added | 15:53 |
| gsagie | regarding container connect/disconnect | 15:53 |
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| gsagie | #action gsagie look at failing fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265105/ | 15:54 |
| gsagie | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:54 | |
| gsagie | One update, it seems that we started getting more attention in the ops mailing list, so i believe there is a good chance there will be a containers session in the ops day in Austin | 15:54 |
| gsagie | so obviously everyone that are interested should join, will send details if i have anything concrete | 15:55 |
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| mspreitz | Is there a python client for k8s? | 15:55 |
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| gsagie | mspreitz: yes | 15:55 |
| mspreitz | where? | 15:55 |
| gsagie | mspreitz: you can see it in the Magnum repo, they use Swagger to compile it | 15:56 |
| mspreitz | thanks. | 15:56 |
| fawadkhaliq | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pykube/0.4.0 | 15:56 |
| mspreitz | Is there a go client for Neutron and Keystone? | 15:56 |
| irenab | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pykube/0.4.0 | 15:56 |
| gsagie | not sure about the go client, i havent seen one | 15:56 |
| gsagie | #link Kubernetes python client https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pykube/0.4.0 | 15:56 |
| irenab | https://github.com/pquerna/go-keystone-client | 15:56 |
| gsagie | maybe for open contrail | 15:57 |
| fawadkhaliq | mspreitz: don't think so. never saw one. maybe check on ML to double check | 15:57 |
| mspreitz | "work in progress, DO NOT USE" !! | 15:57 |
| gsagie | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting and see you all on wed :) will send an invite | 15:57 |
| salv-orlando | mspreitz: https://github.com/rackspace/gophercloud | 15:57 |
| salv-orlando | possubly tailored on rackspace cloud though | 15:57 |
| irenab | bye! | 15:57 |
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| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 15:57 |
| fawadkhaliq | bye | 15:58 |
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| banix | bye | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | salv-orlando: thanks! | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | bye | 15:58 |
| gsagie | #link go SDK for openstack https://github.com/rackspace/gophercloud | 15:58 |
| gsagie | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 15:58:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-03-14-15.03.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-03-14-15.03.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-03-14-15.03.log.html | 15:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, time for Ironic-neutron meeting | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting: ironic_neutron | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 16:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: : ironic_neutron)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '__ironic_neutron' | 16:00 |
| sambetts | o/ Hi all | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_March_14.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements (Meeting topic: : ironic_neutron)" | 16:01 | |
| Sukhdev | Folks, anybody has any announcement to make? | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | before we dive into the agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Mitaka release is fast approaching - we have few patches remaining to merge | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Patches under review | 16:02 |
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| sambetts | jroll is coming | 16:02 |
| jroll | hey, sorry I'm late | 16:02 |
| killer_prince | 0/ | 16:02 |
| vdrok | Sukhdev, have you seen jroll's email? | 16:03 |
| killer_prince | so am i | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | vdrok : no | 16:03 |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089143.html | 16:03 |
| jroll | said email. | 16:03 |
| jroll | I'm sorry to say we need to bump this to newton - it isn't complete and very risky code to land at this stage | 16:03 |
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| jroll | this is all on me; I failed to sufficiently get enough resources on this | 16:04 |
| jroll | especially early in the cycle | 16:04 |
| jroll | we should totally keep working on it and land it as soon as newton opens | 16:04 |
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| jroll | without the client or nova code in mitaka, it wouldn't be terribly useful anyway | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | wow!! | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : I thought we were very close | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | and still had enough time to get it in | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | we have tested it well already | 16:06 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: we were, but the refactoring was large and slow-going | 16:06 |
| jroll | the tested stuff was not well architected (also my fault) | 16:06 |
| jroll | and we didn't catch that until the midcycle a couple weeks ago | 16:06 |
| jroll | so again, sorry :( | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll - the refactored code looks good - two patches merged, one to go - we have time | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | why rush the decision to push it to next release? | 16:07 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: this code? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/ | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | yup - | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | lets work on it clean it and get it done - we have time | 16:08 |
| jroll | I haven't looked since the last update, honestly | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | lots of customers/users are waiting for Mitaka for this | 16:08 |
| jroll | but given the deadline for release is april 1, I don't see this as rushing | 16:08 |
| jroll | I agree | 16:09 |
| killer_prince | that was just to get it going.. but lot many things came up on that patch during mid-cycle.. | 16:09 |
| jroll | I'm very sad to not see it landing | 16:09 |
| jroll | this was my top thing I wanted to complete this cycle | 16:09 |
| jroll | and I failed to do so, and I'm sorry for that | 16:09 |
| killer_prince | Would it be possible to get it early in Newton and then back port for Mitaka..? | 16:09 |
| jroll | devananda and I chatted about it and decided it's too risky to land | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : we still have time until april 1 - | 16:09 |
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| jroll | we definitely cannot backport it | 16:09 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: right, that's not very much time at all, especially when accounting for potential bugs and such | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : there are customers/users who are waiting for this - we can fix/address bugs as we go along | 16:11 |
| jroll | I understand | 16:11 |
| jroll | and we've failed them | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | or reduce it to one or two patches | 16:11 |
| jroll | this is the decision we've made, you're welcome to join in on the mailing list if you want to discuss further | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : can I please? when is the meeting? | 16:11 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: the ironic meeting is right after this one in #openstack-meeting-3, but I'd prefer the mailing list | 16:12 |
| jroll | but you're welcome to join in open discussion too | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: it conflicts for me, but, will try to pop in | 16:12 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: then use the mailing list, please | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : sure | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : Just, so that everybody is on the same page - I see 4 patches that need to be merged for this feature to be complete | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | All of them look very close to being ready | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | so, I am wondering if you can highlight what exactly is the risk that you felt? | 16:14 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: I see 7 - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1526403+status:open and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/ | 16:14 |
| devananda | the doc patches and most of the test patches looked fine to me, last time I reviewed them | 16:14 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: not to mention nova/ironicclient changes that will not merge in mitaka | 16:14 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: the risk is that we're making a large change to our driver internals to complete this (in 285852) | 16:15 |
| devananda | however the API and driver loading patches -- the first two in the chain -- are the key ones. and as jroll already said, these are risky and need to be done right, or they could break compatibility with many users out there | 16:15 |
| jroll | not to mention all the other changes | 16:15 |
| devananda | and the client and nova changes can't get included in mitaka at this point, so the feature can not be considered "complete" even if we landed everything in ironic | 16:16 |
| jroll | I also want to make sure that we get them *right*, and don't end up with tech debt. especially in the API, which we can never fix | 16:16 |
| jroll | and any debt in the driver stuff is going to be difficult to unwind as well | 16:16 |
| jroll | I don't want to rush those in | 16:16 |
| vdrok | for the record - I've tried this with refactoring code today, it seems to work the same way as old code, but I agree that it needs much more testing | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | vdrok : I have been testing on a regular basis as well - and all looks good | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | hence, I am surprised by this announcement | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | lots of people will be disappointed | 16:18 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: were you at the midcycle? did you read my midcycle summaries? | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I wish I was there :-) no | 16:19 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it's not so surprising if you go back and read those, and especially if you were online when we reviewed these patches | 16:19 |
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| jroll | anyway, I'd like to continue making progress on this work so we can land it when newton opens up | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : sounds good - | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : one thought - do not know if possible - | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | to reduce the number of patches that customers have to deploy over mitaka to start to test this feature | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | I know there are people who are waiting to April to come around to start testing this :-):-) | 16:22 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: what are you asking, that we combine all of these patches? | 16:22 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: I will not optimize the git tree to make it easier for people to patch on top of upstream | 16:23 |
| jroll | I will rather optimize it for ease of review and sensible chunks, as we've always done | 16:23 |
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| jroll | if we combine everything, it will take exponentially longer to review upstream | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : I do not think that will be possible - but, if any of these (less risky) to land | 16:24 |
| sambetts | we need to rebase the tree of patches on top of the new network interface patches, and abandon the original network provider one right? | 16:24 |
| sambetts | then you just need to install the top of the tree to test it | 16:24 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: there's really only two patches remaining, both touch the REST API, I'd rather not land either in mitaka | 16:24 |
| jroll | sambetts: yes, we do | 16:24 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: rather than change the review process / squash patches upstream, if you are going to recommend to customers to patch on top of mitaka, i would suggest the following | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : understood | 16:25 |
| devananda | you maintain a branch somewhere that combines all the patches in the right order, and runs a CI job on them | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : yup | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : when will Newton open up for business? | 16:28 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: when we release the final version of ironic and create the stable/mitaka branch, which should be around april 1 | 16:29 |
| jroll | likely before april 1 | 16:29 |
| jroll | AIUI | 16:29 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: to be clear, I'm not actually suggesting that be done for wide use. it's going to potentially break compatibility when we land those patches, eg. if they end up using a different API revision #, or some other change comes in in the meantime. | 16:29 |
| jroll | devananda: ++ | 16:29 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: but I agree with jroll re: not squashing all the patches in the review queue | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | jroll devananda : I am thinking, if we all feel comfortable, the we continue to test eveything with intent to merge them in N some time late april | 16:31 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:31 |
| devananda | ++ | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | cool - so early adapters can pick master in april instead of dealing with all the patches | 16:31 |
| jroll | yep | 16:32 |
| jroll | and I expect we'll make a release shortly after landing those | 16:32 |
| jroll | once we're confident with it | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | this gives us whole release cycle to fix the bugs | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : I think I can sell that :-):-) | 16:32 |
| jroll | :) | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | Any thing else on this? | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | lazy_prince is gone - he wanted to me add a topic on the agenda to discuss | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | killer_prince : oh I see you switched the handle | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: genric switch discussion | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | killer_prince : You asked this to be added to the agenda | 16:36 |
| killer_prince | sorry about switching the handle.. | 16:36 |
| killer_prince | yes.. | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | killer_prince :floor is yours | 16:36 |
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| killer_prince | okay.. so I wnated to check what is the direction for ironic.. | 16:37 |
| killer_prince | is the way going forward to use genericSwitch driver for network isolation..? | 16:37 |
| jroll | that's an ML2 mechanism, right? | 16:37 |
| killer_prince | I see, its being updated for Cisco switches etc.. | 16:38 |
| killer_prince | yup.. | 16:38 |
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| jroll | so from an ironic perspective, I don't really care what ML2 thing folks use, and ironic shouldn't care either :) | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : actually it is a more of a switch with ML2 | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://github.com/jumpojoy/generic_switch | 16:38 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: rephrased, "that's a neutron plugin thing, right?" | 16:38 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: can you elaborate on what you mean by "a switch with ML2" ? | 16:39 |
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| devananda | is this an ML2 plugin, or a mech driver that one uses instead of ML2 ? | 16:39 |
| jroll | it looks like an ML2 plugin to me | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | I think it uses ML2 driver | 16:39 |
| killer_prince | so should all vendors be updating the GenericSwitch driver for supporting their switches..? | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | killer_prince : no | 16:40 |
| jroll | killer_prince: I don't think anyone on the ironic side is in a place to say such a thing | 16:40 |
| jroll | it's really up to the vendors, as I see it | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | killer_prince : the way I see it is for like devtest type of testing - not for production deployments | 16:40 |
| vdrok | btw its in openstack now - https://github.com/openstack/networking-generic-switch | 16:40 |
| jroll | I think GenericSwitch is kind of neat, I'd like it if my vendor supported it (though we don't use ML2 downstream anyway) | 16:40 |
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| devananda | "ML2 Mechanism driver from ML2 plugin" << from the readme. this is very confusing wording | 16:41 |
| sambetts | Looking through it real quick it seems like it is basicaly an SSH ML2 Mech driver | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : ML2 plugin is the core plugin in neutron | 16:42 |
| devananda | vdrok: can this work in the same neutron network environment as OVS or OVN virtual networking? | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | Our Ironic-neutron integration is designed to work with ML2 plugin | 16:42 |
| devananda | iow, with this GenericSwitch driver, can I mix bare metal and virtual machine tenant networking? | 16:42 |
| jroll | sambetts: yeah, that's what it looks like to me, and pluggable with other switch mechanisms | 16:43 |
| vdrok | I'm not sure, it's better to ask vsaienko | 16:43 |
| jroll | devananda: you can stack ML2 mechanisms and have different mechanisms take action on different requests | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : +1 | 16:44 |
| devananda | cool | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : so, you can use generic switch ML2 driver for BM and OVS diver for VM | 16:44 |
| devananda | in the past, I've heard folks use the term "mech driver" to refer to things which can not be used alongside ML2 | 16:44 |
| devananda | thanks for the clarification here | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : mech driver is another name for ML2 driver :-) | 16:45 |
| selvakumar_s | Sukhdev: but again this driver supports only cisco switches for BM | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | ML2 driver can consist of Type driver + mech driver | 16:45 |
| sambetts | We (Cisco) are planning on maintain our own Cisco Mech drivers that will support the baremetal vnic along side our other OpenStack support, we aren't involved with the development of this Generic Driver | 16:45 |
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| devananda | this looks like a useful tool for testing, and for users who want to hack out support for their switches, if their switch vendor hasn't provided it yet via other means | 16:46 |
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| killer_prince | is it the same with other vendors as well..? | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | selvakumar_s : I think mirantis folks developed it - It is my understanding that they only had Cisco switches | 16:46 |
| jroll | yeah, I think it's valuable, I think vendor-specific ML2 things are also valuable | 16:46 |
| devananda | also, this file needs a license header: https://github.com/jumpojoy/generic_switch/blob/master/generic_switch/generic_switch_mech.py | 16:46 |
| devananda | *doesnt this file ... ? | 16:46 |
| jroll | devananda: https://github.com/openstack/networking-generic-switch/blob/master/generic_switch/generic_switch_mech.py | 16:47 |
| vdrok | devananda, https://github.com/openstack/networking-generic-switch/blob/master/generic_switch/generic_switch_mech.py :) | 16:47 |
| jroll | heh | 16:47 |
| vdrok | :D | 16:47 |
| devananda | ah | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://github.com/openstack/networking-generic-switch/blob/master/generic_switch/generic_switch_mech.py | 16:48 |
| devananda | thanks :) | 16:48 |
| jroll | devananda: and the last commit there indicates ovs support | 16:48 |
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| sambetts | sounds like they are reinventing ML2 underneith ML2 | 16:49 |
| jroll | plugins all the way down :) | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | folks - I do not see this as a production deployable solution - but, as a testing system - so, buyer be aware :-) | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | killer_prince : hope you are more confused than before :-):-) | 16:51 |
| killer_prince | yeah.. so just coz it was meant to help ironic test the code in CI.. should we limit it to that..? or should we try to extend it further for production..? | 16:51 |
| selvakumar_s | Sukhdev: I agree with you , it only implements the bind_port . it does not implement rest of the Ml2 Mechanism driver abstract methods.. | 16:52 |
| killer_prince | or we stop the discussion here only.. | 16:52 |
| jroll | killer_prince: I don't think any of us can really say whether vendors should contribute to that, honestly | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | killer_prince : It is a tool - if, it helps you, by all means use it - but, telling customers to use it in production, who is going to support it or stand behind it? | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : +1 | 16:53 |
| killer_prince | okay.. I thought, it was meant for Ironic and Ironic will decide its future.. guess, I may wrong.. | 16:53 |
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| killer_prince | nm.. we can move on.... | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | selvakumar_s : did you want to discuss anything? | 16:54 |
| selvakumar_s | Sukhdev: regarding the VLAN aware BM , just raised HPE comments just now | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | I saw your email indicating that you wanted to contribute to this project | 16:55 |
| hshiina | hi. do we need submit a spec for nova's patch in Newton? | 16:55 |
| hshiina | i hope nova's patch will be merged early for LAG featrue. | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | hshiina : there is spec in nova and neutron for it already and sambetts submitted one for Ironic | 16:56 |
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| jroll | hshiina: yeah, we may need to resubmit, but I will take care of that | 16:56 |
| hshiina | thanks. | 16:56 |
| sambetts | selvakumar_s: Thanks for the comments :) | 16:56 |
| selvakumar_s | Sukhdev:yes we have come up with some block diagram for ironic + neutron integration , we thought we can keep in some wiki page | 16:57 |
| selvakumar_s | Sukhdev: I will send it to you for review with pdf version | 16:57 |
| selvakumar_s | sambetts: Thanks | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | selvakumar_s : can you post on the top of this wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron | 16:58 |
| selvakumar_s | Sukhdev: sure I will post it. | 16:58 |
| * Sukhdev time check 2 min | 16:58 | |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:59 |
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| killer_prince | nothing from me.. | 16:59 |
| sambetts | nothing from me :) | 16:59 |
| jroll | thanks y'all :) | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | looks like we are done - whole one min. ahead of schedule | 17:00 |
| killer_prince | :) | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | thanks | 17:00 |
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| sambetts | Thank everyone | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| killer_prince | bye all.. | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 17:00:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__ironic_neutron/2016/__ironic_neutron.2016-03-14-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__ironic_neutron/2016/__ironic_neutron.2016-03-14-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__ironic_neutron/2016/__ironic_neutron.2016-03-14-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, this is the time for L2GW meeting | 17:00 |
| oferby | Hi Sukdev | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_l2gw | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 17:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | oferby: Hi | 17:02 |
| oferby | Hi | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | anybody from India team here? | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 17:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway#Meeting_March_14.2C_2016 | 17:03 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : I see you have been busy | 17:03 |
| oferby | :-) yes I was. | 17:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: patches under review | 17:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/networking-l2gw,n,z | 17:04 |
| Sukhdev | I approved some of the patches - some are in merge conflict | 17:04 |
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| oferby | one of mine? | 17:05 |
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| Sukhdev | oferby : no I do not think yours is in merge conflict - but, it is failing the tests | 17:05 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: L2GW cloud inter-connect | 17:07 |
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| Sukhdev | oferby : last week irenab was looking for you | 17:07 |
| Sukhdev | irenab : are you here? | 17:07 |
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| oferby | yes | 17:07 |
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| oferby | we did not have meeting last week, did we? | 17:07 |
| Sukhdev | no - it was the previous week | 17:08 |
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| oferby | anyway, I responded to all her comments | 17:08 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : I did not have chance to review the latest version of the patch | 17:09 |
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| Sukhdev | I reviewed the previous version | 17:09 |
| oferby | any comments? even on the previous one? | 17:10 |
| Sukhdev | I wanted to understand the overall flow - | 17:10 |
| Sukhdev | so, I was reviewing with the intent to understand the flow - | 17:11 |
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| Sukhdev | I will review the latest one later this week - | 17:11 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : one question for you | 17:11 |
| oferby | ? | 17:12 |
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| Sukhdev | any update/word on the ovslib change that you submitted? | 17:12 |
| Sukhdev | I should post the link of that patch to this wiki | 17:12 |
| Sukhdev | do you mind sharing that link? | 17:12 |
| Sukhdev | oferby: and second question | 17:13 |
| Sukhdev | well - I will hold off and let you respond to the first one :-) | 17:13 |
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| oferby | There are 2 patches to the ovs - | 17:15 |
| oferby | first one is a change to the schema. This one was committed. | 17:16 |
| Sukhdev | you mean it merged? | 17:16 |
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| oferby | yes | 17:16 |
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| oferby | The second one is the change I made to the IDL to support passive mode - | 17:17 |
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| Sukhdev | do you happen to have the links to both of these? | 17:18 |
| oferby | sec, I will look for it | 17:18 |
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| oferby | http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-February/065667.html | 17:19 |
| oferby | this is the schema change that was merged. | 17:19 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-February/065667.html | 17:20 |
| oferby | the second one which is the change to IDL to support passive mode is more problematic ... | 17:20 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : How is it problematic? | 17:20 |
| oferby | I run the code review with Russell Bryant and after he approved the code, Ben Pfaff said that he doesn't like the way I and Neutron people use the IDL ... | 17:21 |
| oferby | He said that the IDL was intended to read the schema from a file | 17:22 |
| oferby | the way Neutron and I use it is by reading it from the server | 17:22 |
| Sukhdev | hmmm.... | 17:22 |
| oferby | I'm trying to convince him that we don't want to have the local file to be able to work with the IDL as we can read it from teh schema | 17:23 |
| oferby | read the schema from the server | 17:23 |
| oferby | if he will not approve, we will have to use the vtep.schema file locally | 17:24 |
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| Sukhdev | oferby : can you dig up the link ? I wanted to add to this wiki - I was trying to find it and could not locate it - hence, I thought I will ask you :-) | 17:24 |
| irenab | hi, I am here | 17:24 |
| oferby | http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-February/065918.html | 17:24 |
| oferby | hi irena | 17:25 |
| irenab | hi oferby | 17:25 |
| Sukhdev | irenab : welcome - I was telling oferby that you were looking for him last week | 17:25 |
| irenab | I reviewed the spec and have only one last commment left with regards to the mac, ip db table | 17:25 |
| Sukhdev | #link: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-February/065918.html | 17:25 |
| irenab | Sukhdev: thanks :-) | 17:25 |
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| irenab | We can follow up the discussion overt the patch if you prefer | 17:26 |
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| Sukhdev | irenab : hold that thought for a sec | 17:27 |
| irenab | I think this can be resolved during the implementation, just wanted to get your and Sukhdev understandings | 17:27 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : this link you posted is a ML thread, do you happen to have a link to the patch itself? | 17:28 |
| irenab | I apology, but I have only few mins, but we can follow up on the patch | 17:28 |
| oferby | this is the link - | 17:28 |
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| oferby | openvswitch manage their patches in mailing list... look at the bottom of the page | 17:29 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : got it - thanks | 17:29 |
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| Sukhdev | irenab : sorry - go ahead, please | 17:29 |
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| irenab | I just had last comment on the Remote GW Spec regarding persistency of the mac, ip tuples | 17:30 |
| irenab | otherwise I think Spec in the very good shape | 17:30 |
| oferby | before talking about the new API, Sukhdev - are you OK with the status of the IDL change? | 17:30 |
| irenab | I have to drop now, so lets continue on the patch discussion | 17:31 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : I am going through the link to see the comments on the patch | 17:31 |
| oferby | ok | 17:31 |
| Sukhdev | I wonder if we have to switch to the file - how much of the work will that be? | 17:31 |
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| oferby | very minor | 17:32 |
| oferby | it is just that we will have to keep a copy of the file | 17:32 |
| oferby | Neutron do not do this. they connect to the server, read teh schema, close the connection and connect again using IDL. silly and will not work for passive mode - | 17:33 |
| oferby | this is what I was trying to explain to Ben | 17:33 |
| Sukhdev | hmmm - and we need this support in L2GW to keep it backward compatible | 17:34 |
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| Sukhdev | so, if we made this change, we could keep it local to L2GW repo | 17:34 |
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| oferby | we can use a local file for now, just to have the passive mode merged and then I can send a second patch to use it properly. this way we will be able to continue in L2GW | 17:35 |
| oferby | what do you think? | 17:36 |
| Sukhdev | that is a good idea | 17:36 |
| oferby | ok. so I will change the code as Ben wanted hoping that this will produce a quick merge - | 17:37 |
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| oferby | than I will send a second patch while meanwhile we will be able to merge my code to L2GW | 17:37 |
| Sukhdev | cool - thanks - can you add me to the email as well - this way I can keep in the loop | 17:37 |
| oferby | I always put you as a requester - | 17:37 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : that sounds good - thanks | 17:38 |
| oferby | you should get mails | 17:38 |
| oferby | look at the end of the patch text before the code | 17:38 |
| oferby | your email is there | 17:38 |
| Sukhdev | ahh... I see it now - thanks a lot | 17:40 |
| Sukhdev | got it | 17:40 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : now to my second question and I think irenab wants to discuss it as well - where does your L2GW patch stands? | 17:41 |
| oferby | I believe irenab is talking about the API, right irena? | 17:41 |
| oferby | It looks like we are done. only a minor comments from irena | 17:42 |
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| oferby | irenab are u here? | 17:43 |
| Sukhdev | oferby : If I want to test your patch - can you give me specific steps to set up the test system | 17:44 |
| Sukhdev | I would like to play with your patch and test it for you | 17:44 |
| oferby | I can send you detailed test setup to your email. is this ok for you? | 17:45 |
| Sukhdev | yup - that will be great | 17:45 |
| oferby | this will include the L2GW, the new patch, OVSDB server and the VTEP emulator. | 17:45 |
| Sukhdev | VTEP emulator is for what? | 17:46 |
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| oferby | I guess your switches does not support the new feature so you will have to use OVS for the test. | 17:46 |
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| Sukhdev | oferby: To test L2GW, I create L2GW on Arista Switch and use neutron to fire up couple of VxLAN based VMs - | 17:47 |
| Sukhdev | then I use L2GW API to create gateway tunnel and test the functionality that way | 17:47 |
| oferby | right, but you do not have the new HARDWARE VTEP schema - | 17:48 |
| Sukhdev | Arista Switches run OVSDB server | 17:48 |
| Sukhdev | correct - I need one | 17:49 |
| oferby | so you can't create tunnels with different tunnel id - | 17:49 |
| Sukhdev | Actually, if you can send me step-by-step instructions in the email, it will be helpful | 17:49 |
| oferby | this is the change that was needed in the schema to support connecting to a remote neutron network using tunnel key that is different from the one that the local neutron is using | 17:50 |
| Sukhdev | I will test it for you and let you know if I find any issues - this will help us get these cleaned up | 17:50 |
| oferby | great | 17:50 |
| oferby | I will send you detailed explanation on how to build a test setup. | 17:50 |
| Sukhdev | oferby: I assume you are testing it as well | 17:50 |
| Sukhdev | are you making sure that the backward compatibility is maintained? | 17:51 |
| oferby | sure. we have a test setup that is working. | 17:51 |
| oferby | for the compatibility issue - | 17:51 |
| Sukhdev | in other words, while you are testing the new functionality, are you testing that the base L2GW functionality is not broken or impacted in any way? | 17:52 |
| oferby | if you will not use the new API - all the current commands are not changed therefor everything will still work | 17:52 |
| Sukhdev | excellent | 17:53 |
| oferby | only if you will use the new APIs, you will need to support the new schema. I guess this is something that you guys will need to ass | 17:53 |
| oferby | add | 17:53 |
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| oferby | right? | 17:53 |
| Sukhdev | I guess so - | 17:54 |
| Sukhdev | I assume you have a patch for new schema that I can apply to the server? | 17:54 |
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| oferby | sure. it is merged to the openvswitch github repo | 17:54 |
| oferby | sec - I will send you a link | 17:55 |
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| oferby | https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/tree/master/vtep | 17:55 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/tree/master/vtep | 17:56 |
| oferby | that was the repo | 17:56 |
| oferby | this is the file: | 17:56 |
| oferby | https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/vtep/vtep.ovsschema | 17:56 |
| oferby | the repo also have the emulator | 17:56 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/vtep/vtep.ovsschema | 17:56 |
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| Sukhdev | what time zone are you in? | 17:57 |
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| Sukhdev | we have only 3 min left | 17:58 |
| oferby | the file name of the emulator is ovs-vtep | 17:58 |
| oferby | GMT +2 | 17:58 |
| Sukhdev | I will look for your email and will ask any questions, if I have, over the email | 17:58 |
| oferby | sure | 17:58 |
| Sukhdev | thanks oferby - this is great | 17:59 |
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| Sukhdev | I will sync up with armax as well and fill him in on this | 17:59 |
| oferby | great | 17:59 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks for the great work - | 17:59 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:59 |
| oferby | bye | 18:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 18:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2016/networking_l2gw.2016-03-14-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2016/networking_l2gw.2016-03-14-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2016/networking_l2gw.2016-03-14-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting stable | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 20:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 20:00 |
| mriedem | hi, is anyone around? | 20:00 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: mtreinish: dhellmann: ttx: mrunge: jokke_: flaper87: Daviey: ? | 20:01 |
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| * mriedem waits awhile | 20:02 | |
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| rockyg | o/ | 20:08 |
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| mriedem | do we have a quorum?! | 20:08 |
| mriedem | rockyg: if you're willing to listen, i'm willing to go throug the agenda :) | 20:08 |
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| rockyg | I'm willing to listen...if you feel like typing ;-) | 20:09 |
| mriedem | then let's do this! | 20:09 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StableTeam#Agenda | 20:09 |
| mriedem | #topic status | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:09 | |
| mriedem | #link known issues https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 20:09 |
| mriedem | big things last week were (1) trove on liberty, and (2) ceilometer/oslo.db on kilo | 20:09 |
| mriedem | both are more or less resolved | 20:09 |
| rockyg | so, half yay? | 20:10 |
| mriedem | mostly yay | 20:10 |
| rockyg | even better. | 20:10 |
| mriedem | yeah | 20:11 |
| mriedem | there is a change up to reset upper-constraints in liberty for oslo.config: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282347/ | 20:11 |
| mriedem | #link oslo.config reset for liberty upper-constraints https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282347/ | 20:11 |
| mriedem | i haven't gone through that yet | 20:11 |
| rockyg | If I recall correctly, Trove needs to decide whether it gets the tag "follows integrated release" or whatever that tag is. Policy | 20:11 |
| * anteaya is here too | 20:11 | |
| mriedem | rockyg: the stable:follows-policy taG? | 20:11 |
| mriedem | rockyg: they haven't proposed for that tag yet, | 20:12 |
| mriedem | rockyg: but as of last week it would have been a -1 b/c of the backward compat changes they made in mitaka, | 20:12 |
| mriedem | which we spent most of last week reverting | 20:12 |
| rockyg | Yeah. That one. Too many tags floating 'round to remember them all precisely | 20:12 |
| mriedem | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:13 | |
| mriedem | mriedem to check which projects haven't done a stable/liberty release since m-1 | 20:13 |
| rockyg | Right. They haven't been following. They need to decide whether they will. | 20:13 |
| mriedem | so i've failed to do that check from last week, | 20:13 |
| mriedem | Really need to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270273/ cleaned up to automate this. | 20:13 |
| mriedem | #help need to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270273/ cleaned up to help automate checking for unrelated stable branch changes | 20:13 |
| mriedem | #topic Release News | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:14 | |
| mriedem | Nova and Ceilometer need to do a stable/kilo release (Nova has a CVE fix and Ceilometer released a regression). Does Daviey organize a mass stable/kilo release or should we just release those two projects? Note we plan on talking about Kilo EOL dates at the summit. | 20:14 |
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| mriedem | In the before-times we released en masse on pre-scheduled dates. Should we still do that even though we know we have CVE and breaking fixes? | 20:14 |
| mriedem | by default, for kilo, i'm assuming we're waiting until the next scheduled mass release | 20:14 |
| mriedem | i really need to talk to ttx and dhellmann about that | 20:15 |
| * anteaya nods | 20:15 | |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to talk to Daviey, ttx and dhellmann about a stable/kilo release | 20:15 |
| anteaya | yes sounds like we have outgrown that model | 20:15 |
| rockyg | With the bug hackathon, there may have been more backports. Should check on the status of all projects before deciding mass or specific releases | 20:15 |
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| mriedem | rockyg: if we know we're going to do a kilo release, it would be good to flush out what is available and we want to get in, | 20:16 |
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| mriedem | but nova does have a cve fix and ceilometer has a regression fix from the last kilo release | 20:16 |
| rockyg | Isn't kilo security only? Or has that changed | 20:16 |
| mriedem | kilo is security / critical fix only | 20:16 |
| rockyg | Ah. Thanks. | 20:16 |
| mriedem | but low risk / high user impact things make their way in at times | 20:16 |
| mriedem | #topic tagging | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tagging (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:17 | |
| rockyg | Worth checking to see if any other project has candidates | 20:17 |
| mriedem | #info projects still need to apply for the stable:follows-policy tag http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/stable_follows-policy.html | 20:17 |
| rockyg | How many projects have it so far? | 20:17 |
| mriedem | #link open stable:follows-policy reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/%22stable:follows-policy%22 | 20:17 |
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| mriedem | rockyg: 0 | 20:17 |
| mriedem | there are 5 reviews up | 20:17 |
| mriedem | nova, neutron, glance, horizon, django_openstack_auth | 20:18 |
| rockyg | Do the projects have to specify whether their python clients also follow, or is it assumed or? | 20:18 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to start prodding other projects like keystone and cinder to apply for the stable:follows-policy tag | 20:19 |
| mriedem | rockyg: it's calld out specifically in the governance repo | 20:19 |
| mriedem | the neutron one is hairy b/c of the stadium | 20:19 |
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| rockyg | Stadium is getting smaller, fortunately | 20:19 |
| mriedem | yeah, ihar proposed that they hold off on the tag until the stadium discussion is wrapped up | 20:20 |
| mriedem | i suggested they at least start with tagging neutron and neutronclient | 20:20 |
| mriedem | keep it small and build out | 20:20 |
| rockyg | +1 to that | 20:20 |
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| rockyg | to both | 20:20 |
| mriedem | #topic tooling | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tooling (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:20 | |
| mriedem | really only one new thing here, | 20:20 |
| mriedem | reviewstats; there is a 'stable' group but it's only for stable-maint-core, there isn't an easy way (that I can see) to check for stable branch reviewers on a given project (would have to add it). | 20:20 |
| mriedem | I started playing with reviewstats last week and that's ^ what i found | 20:21 |
| mriedem | which isn't bad for stable-maint-core stats, but isn't helpful for individual <project>-stable-maint teams | 20:21 |
| mriedem | it also doesn't handle gerrit group inheritance, | 20:21 |
| mriedem | which is probably an easy enough thing to fix | 20:21 |
| mriedem | #topic Open discussion | 20:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: stable)" | 20:22 | |
| mriedem | two things here | 20:22 |
| mriedem | 1. FYI, etherpad on stable branch EOL policy discussion for summit (please don't hack this up yet):https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-branch-eol-policy-newton | 20:22 |
| mriedem | that was my brain dump from last friday | 20:22 |
| rockyg | I'll read it over without disturbing. Thanks for posting it. | 20:23 |
| mriedem | it's what i'll be using for the fishbowl session at the summit with the infra/qa/vmt teams | 20:23 |
| mriedem | np | 20:23 |
| mriedem | 2. my intentions for stable PTL for newton http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089289.html | 20:24 |
| mriedem | so i'm running for nova PTL for newton, | 20:25 |
| mriedem | which is why i didn't put up a candidacy for stable PTL | 20:25 |
| mriedem | but if no one else does, it sounds like it would most likely come back to me anyway | 20:25 |
| rockyg | Oooh! Congratz. | 20:25 |
| mriedem | and i'm fine with that | 20:25 |
| mriedem | so this is just an FYI | 20:26 |
| mriedem | did anyone else have anything for today? | 20:26 |
| rockyg | I suspect jokke_ will put in for stable, especially if no one else does. | 20:26 |
| anteaya | I don't have anything | 20:26 |
| mriedem | ok, let's wrap up early then, thanks for attending | 20:27 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 20:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:27 | |
| rockyg | Just want to say that you guys are coming together well and getting organized. It's good to see. | 20:27 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 20:27:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-03-14-20.00.html | 20:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-03-14-20.00.txt | 20:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-03-14-20.00.log.html | 20:27 |
| mriedem | rockyg: thanks, yeah i'd be running for stable PTL again if i weren't running for nova | 20:27 |
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| mriedem | if anyone is waiting for the stable team meeting, i already botched that and did it an hour ago | 21:05 |
| mriedem | we had a daylight savings time switch here yesterday | 21:05 |
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| breton | :( | 21:06 |
| claudiub | :( | 21:07 |
| breton | mriedem: I don't get it. "at 2100 UTC" is now, isn't it? | 21:08 |
| mriedem | breton: yeah, but i hadn't adjusted my calendar | 21:08 |
| mriedem | so i ran it an hour ago | 21:08 |
| mriedem | fyi http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-03-14-20.00.log.html | 21:08 |
| breton | ok, so next time at this time? | 21:08 |
| mriedem | breton: no, next week is Tuesday at 1500 UTC in #openstack-meeting-3 | 21:12 |
| mriedem | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Stable_Team_Meeting | 21:12 |
| mriedem | ical was right, my local reminder was wrong | 21:13 |
| mriedem | breton: claudiub: did you have anything you wanted to bring up? | 21:14 |
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| claudiub | mriedem: hm, I don't think so atm. | 21:23 |
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