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| JRobinson__ | anteaya, thank you! | 00:33 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 00:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 00:33:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 00:33 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Meeting Agenda moved to email summary due to meetbot not responding to commands at 23:30 UTC time | 00:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 00:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 00:34:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-10-00.33.html | 00:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-10-00.33.txt | 00:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-10-00.33.log.html | 00:34 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | so, who's around? | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | YAY! People! | 14:00 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I guess this is us | 14:01 |
| tjcocozz | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates Glare | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates Glare (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: ? | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
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| dshakhray | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mfedosin | hey | 14:02 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | so as you may know we started code developing | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | there are two patches on review | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | but they are a little bit outdated | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | Awesome! Great work | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | I think today or tomorrow I'll upload Image artifact typy that will work with images | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | I'd encourage folks to first review the spec before reviewing the code | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | and plan to have working service till next wednesday | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | It's fine to skip specs review until after RC1 is cut | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | also I made a presentation about glare yesterday | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | where? Mirantis? | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | Feedback? | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | as a part of BugSmashingDay initiative | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | no it was public | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | ah, I had no idea | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | wait a sec | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | cool | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | frankly speaking I was not prepared | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8gjMgCQvbA | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | hehehe | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'll watch it | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | one thing | 14:05 |
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| mfedosin | unfortunately Ina Vasilevskaya won't work on Glare | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | Nova team took her :( | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | oh, what about Glance ;) ? :P | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | ah, crap | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | yup :( | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: I've an idea! Ask her to help with the V1 -> V2 migration | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | hahahahaha | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: good idea btw | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | anyway, that's sad | 14:06 |
| * nikhil_k sneaks in | 14:06 | |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: ;) | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | that's all I had | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates cross project | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates cross project (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:06 | |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: floor is yours | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | hi hi | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | you got here just in time | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | so, another small update on qutoas CP work | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | we've some more interesting questions on the | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | granularity of quotas | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | like that of | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | magnum | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: could you link the x-prj spec here again? | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | or was that irc discussion? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | the entire thing is not composed yet and I've not had my first round of caffeiin :P | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | oh sure | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | haha | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, I am typing something and deleting it | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | It'd be cool to integrate that to the specs review list when we'll start reviewing specs for newton | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | I read a comment from flaper87 you earlier in tehw week | 14:10 |
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| nikhil_k | do we need to work on more iterations of specs and deciding how to proceed on certain things? | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | besides, that the CP meeting was cancelled | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | mmh, not sure I follow that question :D | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | and I will be reaching out to folks for feedback on the policy spec | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | was it related to CP or glance? | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: ah, I was just asking if we had decided on the spec for simple nested etc things on quotas? | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | or do we need more discussion on that | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | ah, I don't think we have. I actually think it'd be better to have another discussion in a time where flwang can participate | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: how is the glance spec related to the x-proj quotas spec? | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | sounds good | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | So we can agree on which path we'll follow | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | ok, any other CP updates? | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: it's not yet entirely | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting-cp/%23openstack-meeting-cp.2016-03-07.log.html#t2016-03-07T21:13:31 | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | that's quotas discussion this week | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284454/ | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | that's x-prj spec | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: i was asking because i was holding off on looking at hte glance spec, thinking it was superceded | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | but is our strategy to still work on the glance spec in parallel? | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I don't think we have a clear strategy there yet | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, just wanted to make sure | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: flaper87 is right | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | I heard mixed things over here for what we need to do | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | There are 3 things: 2 glance specs and 1 coming up as CP effort. All this needs to align with the priorities for newton and the API changes that we've planned | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | so, it's still a bit blur for me | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, looks like good topic for the summit | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | had a good convo with sean dague on this topic and he had a excellent suggestion that would mean glance spec is superseded by x-prj one | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | I'm honestly trying not to think much of it until RC1 is done | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | but only like oslo.db -> glance.db | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: ++ | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | okido, anything else? | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | and policy spec needing reviews is: | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245629/ | 14:16 |
| * nikhil_k done | 14:16 | |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: thanks for the updates! | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | #topic RC1 Focus | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 Focus (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:16 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance+branch:master+topic:glance-RC1 | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I've been changing topics on patches to make them show up in that search. Other folks have started doing the same too | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | The topic we're using is: glance-RC1 | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | Note the focus is on *glance* | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | glanceclient and glance_store have been cut | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | That doesn't mean we can't have another minor release if there's something critical to fix | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | but it does mean the process is different | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | each of them have a stable/mitaka branch now | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | and we need to land patches in master and then backport them to mitaka | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | That basically means the Newton development for glanceclient and glance_store is officially opened | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: there is glance_store change with glance-RC1 topic still ... does that mean that we need it and we need to backport it or was it left out intentionally? | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | haha, yeah I noticed that sabari tagged one for store so I did for client -- assuming that we will backport around RC1 time? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: that was just an honest mistake | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | I've reviewed it and backported it, I think | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | unless there's a new one | 14:19 |
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| flaper87 | or unless I did that with a glanceclient one | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | ^ | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | Cinder store one from Tomoki | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | https://review.openstack.org/287006 | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | there's new one,store by sabari and client by me | 14:19 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: ah yeah, so, no. I did review that but that should not be tagged as RC1 | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: thanks | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | So, TL;DR: If you're looking for things to review, use the link I pasted above. Look for things using the topic: glance-RC1 | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | if you want to help collecting patches, then focus on *glance* patches only | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | RC1 is next week and we should be landing the last set of patches by Tuesday | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | questions? | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | good | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | #topic Remove run_tests.sh and tools | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove run_tests.sh and tools (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:21 | |
| flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088362.html | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287779/ | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | Can we remove that? | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | more of a comment: Remember everyone that we can always backport to stable ands release the libs ... so even if there is something super important, lets focus glance deliverable RC1 | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | I sent an email to the ML (ops and dev) asking for opinions and concerns | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: raised some good questions and I reached out to some packagers on IRC | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | and no one is using those scripts | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | at least the people I talked to | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: yeah, lets remove it. I think it will be like a bandaid being removed for some | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | The debian package uses testr directly | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | heh | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | coolio | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I'll remove my -W and let people review it | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | unless someone screams now | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I'm pro of removing those (seems to be still broken, I tried run_tests just earlier this week) as long as you include the doc change in it as well you promised on the mailing list ;) | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: but I'm interested in what you heard. may be after the mtg. | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: oh sure. I can share now | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: pls do | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | Basically. Debian prefers using testr directly. Other packages have their own CI system and use tox with --sitepackages | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | I didn't hear anything from the OPs side and infra is not using it | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | That's all the feedback I got | 14:24 |
| * flaper87 thinks harder | 14:24 | |
| flaper87 | The script was broken until a month ago, I think | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | or it's probably still broken, which is a good enough proof that no one is using it | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | or thye have their own hack | 14:25 |
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| flaper87 | Does that help? | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | ohk, thanks for that info. I think the folks who mentioned needing it either have taken a trip to mars | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | or are not in the openstack realm much these days! | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: was that in previous cycles? | 14:26 |
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| flaper87 | I mean, did they mention that on my email or was that on previous discussions ? | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: yes | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | ah ok | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | got it | 14:26 |
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| flaper87 | yeah, I can see how that script was useful in previous cycles | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | but, seriously. Nowadays it's way easier to call python setup.py testr or simply use tox --sitepackages for system wide tests | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on unless there are other questions/comments | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | #topic Passing the Glance torch | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088811.html | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | more like a heads up, really | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | I hope some of you will run and I hope there will be an election and not a single candidate | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | It was a pleasure for me to be Glance's PTL and I hope to have done a good enough job | 14:28 |
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| flaper87 | The reasons for me to not run again are half personal and half professional | 14:29 |
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| rosmaita | i personally am sorry to see you step down, but i hear you will continue working with glance (hopefully)? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | I did consider running again back in December/January but things have changed | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: oh you ain't getting rid of me that easy | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:29 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: you're not the only one | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | Anyway, The reason I wanted to also bring this topic up during our meeting is because I'd like to encourage everyone to read that thread, especially folks planning to run | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | to run for the PTL role | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | not to run away | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | I'm sorry to hear this and would love to hear more about stuff in Austin | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | what were the considerations and experiences | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | I put as many details as possible there and shared some ideas, thoughts, etc. I'm obviously available to support the upcoming PTL and help with anything possible | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | As someone said to me: I made it all a bit rosier than it was but I do think it that way | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: happy to :D | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | So, nominations are next week | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | rosier sounds fitting :D | 14:32 |
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| flaper87 | I hope by now some of you know already whether you'll run or not | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | Please, if you'd feel like it, I'm interested in knowing and helping. Feel free to ping me offline | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | I do care a lot about Glance's roadmap and I'll make sure, even not being the PTL, that we don't go off track ;) | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | and by know, you all know I know how to be a PITA | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | anyway, that's it | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | questions? comments? | 14:33 |
| mclaren | just "thanks" dude | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | just want to thank you for great job | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | yes, this has been a productive cycle | 14:34 |
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| * flaper87 bows and thanks folks for working together | 14:34 | |
| nikhil_k | yes, great job indeed | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | okido! Thanks everyone. Moving on | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | #topic Releases | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I'm not gonna thank you yet (the cycle is not over), good to hear that you will stick around at some level ;) | 14:35 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: I bet that's you | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | yeah, just quick heads up | 14:35 |
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| jokke_ | so we have requested stable Libberty releases for the libs (about time for it) | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | lots of bug fixes | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | Stable Liberty glance_store 0.9.2 https://review.openstack.org/290524 | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | Stable Liberty python-glanceclient 1.1.1 https://review.openstack.org/290774 | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | hopefully get them tagged today, so please keep your eyes open | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: thanks for handling the releases of these libraries once again! | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: can we include the recent two changes? if they merge that is | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | Folks, keep an eye on the gate for breakage | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | or we can keep releasing in coming weeks? | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | and as flaper87 already mentioned, stable/mitaka branches were cut for libs out of glance_store 0.13.0 and client 2.0.0 | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: these are liberty releases | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: yes, I am just curious if we were inclining towards fewer releases and once a month sort of deal? | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | so these will be last Liberty releases of Phase 1, criticals and security only for those please | 14:38 |
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| nikhil_k | ok, sg | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | lets try to keep mitaka releasing more often | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | now when I get my presense stabilized again | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | I think it'd be great if we could do a stable release per month or something like that. Also, we should include this info in the release schedule | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | so that folks know when we're planning to do stable releases | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | that's all from me. Lets get great RC1 out! | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | We can have "scheduled" releases and on-demand releases | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | anyway, just throwing it out there | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | we should discuss this later | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:40 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-summit-planning | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | please, put summit topics in that etherpad | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: time point releases are not per the current stable policy ... but lets be much more active | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | We'll start discussing some of those next week | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: well, not globally. That doesn't mean we can;t do them | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | WE can schedule some and still call them "on-demand semver whatever" | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | there was one more thing I wanted to say | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | and I forgot | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | hahahahah | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | it's all jokke_'s fault | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I think the reasoning behind not doing them was good enough, but we can take that discussion offline | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: put it on my tap | 14:42 |
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| flaper87 | Ah | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | I remember now | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | glance_store mitaka is broken | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | YAY! | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | so | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | not glance_store | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | the gate | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | A swiftclient release broke it | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | but tjcocozz is working on a fix | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | basically, I think just the test suite is broken | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | Aa it came from there | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | we'll see | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: yeah | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | found it last night | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | good that you guys got it narrowed down that far | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | so, hopefully tjcocozz will have a fix for it soon. I'd love to see it fixed before the end of the week | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | the working week | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | ok, tomorrow | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | there, I said it | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | no pressure, but yesterday, please | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | tjcocozz: ^ | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | please | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's it from me | 14:44 |
| tjcocozz | flaper87, you are 100 correct and i am trying to fix it :) | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | anything else? Anyone? | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | tjcocozz: ++ | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | tjcocozz: gr8 thanks! | 14:45 |
| mclaren | Is there/should there be an image upload refactor proposal on the etherpad? | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | none yet | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: no, we hope to have it settled before the summit | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: TBH, I'd prefer there not to be | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | discussion on patches | 14:45 |
| mclaren | ok | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i am afriad of what might happen if we open it up again | 14:45 |
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| tjcocozz | flaper87, just need to get https://github.com/openstack/glance_store/blob/master/glance_store/tests/unit/test_swift_store.py#L144 to return a response instead of a string. | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | tjcocozz: ++ | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | folks, I want to discuss tagging in v2 | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | as you may know we have special API for setting and removing tags | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | tjcocozz: feel free to ping me when you figure out and we'll get it reviewed asap | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | controller, etc. | 14:47 |
| tjcocozz | jokke_, definetly! | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: i am working on 2 patches at flaper87's request, (1) disadvantages of "accepted" proposal (to compare to your alternatives patch) and (2) proposal for schematizing the proposed image "message" field | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | but also we are able to do it with json patch as regular update | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: hope to have those up "soon" | 14:47 |
| * flaper87 wonders if he should put those patches in his Santa letter for christmas | 14:47 | |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: do you have good news or is that the next can of worms we open? :P | 14:48 |
| * flaper87 is obviously trolling rosmaita | 14:48 | |
| mfedosin | what do you thin about this inconsistency | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | ? | 14:48 |
| mclaren | rosmaita: ok | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: how about by St. Patrick's day? | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | jokke_: just asking :) darja found this when she was working on transaction layer | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: ok, well I think based on current community preference we're stuck with both ways | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: thing is, changing any of it means changing the API, which likely means breaking the backwards compatibility | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: out of my mind | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I'll take that | 14:49 |
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| rosmaita | mfedosin: yes, we are stuck | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | so, unless we have good reasons to remove either of them, we're stuck with both | 14:50 |
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| jokke_ | mfedosin: if there is (and I'm pretty sure that's the case) room for improvement in our documentation, happy to look into PS helping out | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | We can accidentally omit one of them in our docs, though | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | hahahahhaha | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: again, out of my mind | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ^^ I was faster and surprisingly this time the more politically correct one :P | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | well | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | supporting glance v2 api in glare will be tough | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | tags unlike member are a part of the image | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: LOL | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/v2/images.py#L906 | 14:51 |
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| nikhil_k | since it's in the schema of the image, I think we need the PATCH call for sure | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: I think no-one ever claimed othewise ;) | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: agreed there | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | and I think the API_WG has that guideline on separate resource | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | so it seems like more balance on PATCH but then we may get yelled at for not being consistent | 14:52 |
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| nikhil_k | I'd rather support both if not a issue | 14:52 |
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| mfedosin | I remember sigmavirus24_awa was complaining about having both | 14:53 |
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| nikhil_k | well not a "critical issue" | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think the big thing is, regardless other guidelines, that we will be crusified if we drop either of those API doing that | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: haha, yeah. | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: but there are plans for the same for tasks.. | 14:53 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: same with the image import work. We can't just kill what we have | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | so, that puts me in dilemma | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | well, we're not deleting tasks, though | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: nope, we can't drop it ... we can disable it by default, but we're stuck with the api itself | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | we turned them off by default and marked the API as deprecated but it gotta stay there | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | I thought I read that we wanted to get rid of the tasks!? | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | and with tasks there was really pressing reasoning for it, which of I don't see at least yet for tags | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: oh that was probably me in a moment of rage | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: so deprecated for may be a decade and then we just let people forget about it? | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: ah ha. hush, I won't speak of it again with anyone then. And now I am not sure whom I told that tasks is getting deleted :P | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: if it ever bitrots to goo we can't identify anymore, maybe :P | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: it's a gradual process and the discussion of removing an endpoint has to happen for OpenStack in general | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | the current agreement is we never ever ever ever delete an endpoint | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | but we can deprecate things | 14:56 |
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| flaper87 | and advice people against that | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ha! | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | We can ignore bugs on deprecated endpoints, etc | 14:56 |
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| nikhil_k | and this is true just for the API for for libraries too? | 14:57 |
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| flaper87 | I think, eventually, removing stuff will make sense but that's a broader discussion and I'll need beer for that ,coffee is not enough | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | I'm may be reading ahead of the store refactor proposal | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: HTTP APIs | 14:57 |
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| nikhil_k | flaper87: heh, nice | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | libraries can evolve and should evolve :) | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | ok, we're out of time | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | glance_store restful API :P | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | fun | 14:58 |
| * flaper87 throws tomatoes at jokke_ | 14:58 | |
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| flaper87 | THANKS EVERYONE! | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 14:58:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-10-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-10-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-10-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 14:58 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 15:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | hi rosmaita | 15:01 |
| yingjun | 0/ | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:01 |
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| TravT | hi RickA-HP | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | TravT: hello | 15:01 |
| RickA-HP | TravT: Hello | 15:01 |
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| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | morning | 15:02 |
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| TravT | if there is anything specific you want to talk about, please add to the agenda | 15:02 |
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| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
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| TravT | #topic mitaka 3 rc1 | 15:03 |
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| TravT | well, it is that time of the release that always comes faster than i would have liked | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:03 |
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| TravT | March 18th is rc1 tag day | 15:04 |
| TravT | we have a number of things targetted | 15:04 |
| TravT | since we are doing a 0.2 release (rather than 1.0) the list is a little aggressive | 15:05 |
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| TravT | https://launchpad.net/searchlight/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | most of those are very close | 15:06 |
| TravT | are we missing anything? | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | i don’t think so | 15:06 |
| TravT | is there something we should just wave the white flag now and push to newton? | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | cxan we make that call tomorrow? | 15:07 |
| TravT | we could also do in early next week | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | if there’s anything that isn’t REALLY close then we should probably pull the plug | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. i don’t want to introduce bugs next week if we can avoid it | 15:07 |
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| TravT | yes a regression is worse than a new feature. | 15:08 |
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| TravT | hmm... i guess i don't have the horizon panel listed there. | 15:08 |
| TravT | i'll target it. | 15:08 |
| TravT | we just need to go through with the repo | 15:08 |
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| TravT | okay, well, reviews are the order of the next few days. | 15:10 |
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| TravT | before we consider talking any specific reviews i had one other topic. | 15:10 |
| RickA-HP | TravT: We need more eyes on the Zero Downtime. Steve's done a great job of reviewing it so far. | 15:10 |
| RickA-HP | TravT: Go ahead. | 15:11 |
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| TravT | RickA-HP: yep, i've been watching the interaction there and waiting until it seemed it was working on Steve's system before also investing time. | 15:12 |
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| RickA-HP | Steve makes a good guiena pig! | 15:12 |
| TravT | it kind of makes him a porcupine... because he gets a bit prickly as well. | 15:12 |
| TravT | :P | 15:12 |
| TravT | ok, one other topic, then more on reviews. | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | i heard that | 15:13 |
| TravT | #topic looking ahead | 15:13 |
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| TravT | I was asked about possible summit sessions. | 15:13 |
| TravT | last time we had one fish bowl, one small group session for searchlight... but we also had a horizon session dedicated to searchlight | 15:14 |
| TravT | they said there are even more demands this time. | 15:14 |
| TravT | so my thought process was that for a bigger group session, we really need to be making other projects aware of notifications and how they should be improving them | 15:15 |
| TravT | so i put in an initial request for a cross project session on improving notifications and said if we got that we wouldn't need another fishbowl | 15:15 |
| TravT | so we'll see. | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | that makes sense | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | we can always lurk around other service rooms | 15:16 |
| RickA-HP | Are there the same folks? Are the people asking for more sessions on Searchlight the same as the ones who would provide better notifications? | 15:16 |
| TravT | RickA-HP: no.... the people asking me, are the summit organizers | 15:17 |
| TravT | each summit they ask the project teams what they want in terms of sessions | 15:17 |
| TravT | last summit, i kept it low | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | i think notifications is a good topic, it's cross-project and practical | 15:18 |
| lakshmiS | would be nice if they put posters of searchlight as other projects did last time to create more awareness | 15:18 |
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| TravT | yes, i must thank nikhil_k for helping to create some awareness via the bus smash event | 15:18 |
| TravT | he organized a hangout on air for the NYC event and has tweeted about it | 15:19 |
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| nikhil_k | ++ | 15:19 |
| RickA-HP | It would be very helpful if we could get some customer feedback on the usefulness of Searchlight. Maybe something from Piet? | 15:19 |
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| nikhil_k | your talks is trending TravT | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | talk* | 15:19 |
| TravT | :) | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | https://twitter.com/nikhilskomawar/status/707778130522542081 | 15:19 |
| TravT | RickA-HP: Piet has started talking to operators about it | 15:20 |
| RickA-HP | Woo-hoo! | 15:20 |
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| TravT | “just received feedback from an operator who viewed the video and said that searchlight would be a game changer for them.” | 15:21 |
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| RickA-HP | TravT: Hopefully in a positive way! | 15:21 |
| TravT | Piet sent that out in email: | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | that's awesome | 15:21 |
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| TravT | so... | 15:22 |
| TravT | i'm thinking that as we wrap RC-2, we really should take an inventory of all the notification needs we have | 15:22 |
| TravT | in terms of missing events and data | 15:23 |
| TravT | and we should file those as bugs / bps / specs against all the projects | 15:23 |
| TravT | to try to get awareness in newton. | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. we have a much better idea of where we are with that now | 15:23 |
| TravT | and also look at submitting patches on the other projects | 15:23 |
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| TravT | yingjun already did that for nova hypervisors | 15:23 |
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| TravT | okay.... | 15:24 |
| TravT | I'm gonna do open discussion, then we can see if we need to have any specific review discussion | 15:25 |
| TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | was going to mention our talk got turned down (boo) | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | so nobody will experience the thrill of us on stage again | 15:25 |
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| TravT | yeah, that is disappointing. i was also surprised to see that no horizon sessions were accepted | 15:26 |
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| rosmaita | so who is talking? my proposal got shot down too | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | it's all about containers, isn't it :) | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | guess it will be an all-marketing summit | 15:26 |
| TravT | rosmaita: that's what I was hypothesizing | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | oh that too | 15:26 |
| TravT | i think they might be weaning us into the conference / design summit split now | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: are you planning on opening a etherpad for summit topics? | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | i haven't been following that ... is the plan the marketing summit is held in exotic locales, and the design summit will be in Hoboken? | 15:28 |
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| sjmc7 | that’s it, rosmaita | 15:28 |
| nikhil_k | ha | 15:28 |
| TravT | rosmaita: i read the first 5 messages and that seemed to be the theme | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | an airport lounge in boise | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | i've never been to boise | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | summer in arizona, winter in siberia | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | i hear it's like cleveland, but without the night life | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 15:29 |
| TravT | i drafted an email response to it at 2 am from my hotel room during the horizon mid-cycle, but thankfully thought better to wait until the next morning to send it | 15:29 |
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| RickA-HP | TravT: Shades of Jerry McQuire | 15:30 |
| TravT | lol | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, best to stay out of that. it might be a good thing in that it’ll dedicate less time to running around and making it more like a big midcycle. who knows | 15:30 |
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| TravT | mid cycles are definitely more immediately productive | 15:31 |
| TravT | but i really do enjoy getting to go to some of the talks | 15:31 |
| TravT | i've always learned quite a bit at the conference | 15:31 |
| rosmaita | yeah, we don't want to be completely disconnected from the operators/consumers | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. well, we’ll see. it will mean we have to make more of a nuisance of ourselves at the conference i guess | 15:31 |
| TravT | methinks not many of us (if any of us) will get to go to the conference | 15:32 |
| TravT | but dedicated design summit is likely to be very productive | 15:32 |
| TravT | especially since i'm guessing the big parties may not happen... ;) | 15:33 |
| TravT | anyway rosmaita i think that split is supposed to happen starting next year | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | so barcelona may be the last big shindig | 15:34 |
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| rosmaita | "i remember when it was fun to work on openstack" | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | :D | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | now, get off my lawn! | 15:34 |
| TravT | yeah, the theme of my unsent email was about how the summits were kind of a reward for working double overtime on openstack the previous 6 months... | 15:35 |
| TravT | but hey, i hear Austin is a pretty cool place | 15:36 |
| TravT | and Barcelona is quite awesome | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | yes, the developers are being rewarded for building a product so many people want to use that the summits have gotten unweildy ... by getting kicked out of the fun stuff | 15:37 |
| TravT | you should join the message thread rosmaita. ;P | 15:37 |
| TravT | but i guess that is over a year away from now that this would really happen. | 15:38 |
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| TravT | and we've still got lots of opportunity to do some cool things and have fun in the meantime | 15:39 |
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| TravT | So #topic reviews | 15:40 |
| TravT | #topic reviews | 15:40 |
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| TravT | other than just needing time to do them | 15:40 |
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| TravT | are there any reviews that would benefit from a live discussion right now? | 15:40 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255E.*searchlight.*+status:open,n,z | 15:41 |
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| sjmc7 | you can hear a pin drop! | 15:42 |
| TravT | you can just sense the excitement! | 15:43 |
| TravT | i wish IRC could convey when i was laughing better. | 15:43 |
| TravT | i really do look forward to the next time i get to see everybody in person again. | 15:44 |
| TravT | anyway, let's get a bit of time back! | 15:44 |
| TravT | thanks everybody! | 15:44 |
| RickA-HP | Bye | 15:44 |
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| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| rosmaita | :D | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 15:44:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-10-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-10-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-10-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 16:03:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Roll call and Agenda | 16:03 |
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| automagically | o/ | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:03 |
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| izaakk | o/ | 16:04 |
| spotz | o/ only here for a few team outing in 10:) | 16:04 |
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| javeriak_ | o/ | 16:05 |
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| jmccrory | o/ | 16:05 |
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| rromans | \o | 16:05 |
| mattt | o/ | 16:05 |
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| prometheanfire | \o | 16:05 |
| raddaoui | o\ | 16:06 |
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| michaelgugino | hello | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | it looks to me like all action items were completed | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | moving on | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Newton Summit Planning | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton Summit Planning (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:09 | |
| odyssey4me | I added a topic proposal for general 'Project Housekeeping' | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | we could do it in the community day | 16:09 |
| automagically | good addition | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | I've asked for 1 fishbowl, 8 work sessions and 1 community day | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd be surprised if we get 8 work sessions, but it was worth asking. :) | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | In the fishbowl I figured that we can do a general update on the project, share Mitaka successes and get some feedback from anyone who wants to ask for anything the project doesn't currently do. | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | we'll have to see the final schedule and room allocations to figure out what would be most useful | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | any questions/comments before we move on? | 16:12 |
| hughsaunders | o/ (late) | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Define core team expectations/Add non-Rackspace cores | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Define core team expectations/Add non-Rackspace cores (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:14 | |
| automagically | Thanks for all the feedback on that patch | 16:14 |
| automagically | In reading through it, I think it might make sense for folks to submit updates directly | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | The rest of the core team still have not reviewed https://review.openstack.org/286858 - please can we have that done before COB tomorrow andymccr mattt hughsaunders d34dh0r53 cloudnull | 16:14 |
| hughsaunders | Close-Of-Community surely? | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | ie by next week :p | 16:15 |
| hughsaunders | I ignored it because it has 2x -1, but I can have a read | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | we need to revise and finalise that - I'd like to get it merged by the end of next week | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | #topic RoadMap update for the OpenStack Product Working Group | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RoadMap update for the OpenStack Product Working Group (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:16 | |
| odyssey4me | #link RoadMap update for the OpenStack Product Working Group | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | oops | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-roadmap-refresh | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd like feedback on that please - this will be part of what is published by the Product Working Group | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | ideally we need to consider what we're thinking of doing next cycle and express it in terms of the high level themes | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | I welcome anyone who can express things better than I can. :) | 16:17 |
| automagically | When would you like to have received all feedback? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | I think by Tue next week ideally. | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | But we can stretch until Thu next week if need be. | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory ping? | 16:19 |
| jmccrory | hi | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Apt package lists for repo_server and repo_build | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Apt package lists for repo_server and repo_build (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:19 | |
| jmccrory | so was looking into a bug about reducing number of packages installed in the repo_server role, there's about 40 right now | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | hmm, perhaps we should do something similar to what's been done with the pip packages | 16:20 |
| jmccrory | cloudnull brought up a good idea in the review about separating out library packages required for actually building the wheels into repo_build | 16:20 |
| jmccrory | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289510/ | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | ie the stuff needed for repo building should be in the repo_build role, and the stuff to get the repo_server functional for syncing content and stuff should be in the repo-server role | 16:21 |
| automagically | That separation of responsibilities makes sense | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | heh, same thought :) | 16:21 |
| jmccrory | think that would help separate concerns between the roles and making writing tests more clear. repo_server focused on nginx + syncing, repo_build git and wheel building | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | yep, makes sense to me - great initiative by the way! | 16:21 |
| automagically | +1 | 16:22 |
| michaelgugino | +1 | 16:22 |
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| odyssey4me | a lot of the python packages and apt package lists carry history and many of them may no longer be required | 16:22 |
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| cloudnull | o/ finally. :) | 16:22 |
| jmccrory | yeah, noticed that too in testing and tried to comment on which are still needed and where | 16:22 |
| logan- | i like the comments about why things are being installed instead of just a list of packages | 16:22 |
| automagically | logan-: +2- | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | ++ | 16:22 |
| automagically | Whoops +20 rather | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | heh | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | we should possibly do something similar in the python package lists | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | happy to move on? | 16:24 |
| jmccrory | yep, thanks for feedback | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | we have quite a hit list for mitaka going: https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/13.0.0 | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | most importantly though we need functional testing in all the roles | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | the current target is just convergence | 16:25 |
| automagically | Looks like we should probably trim the blueprints list a bit | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | after that we need to actually do real tests | 16:25 |
| automagically | Do we expect to get Desginate and the AIO gate work done | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, the AIO gate split is going to have to carry over | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | designate is actually very close to done, but I think it's going to have to slip too | 16:26 |
| automagically | Doubtful we’d have testing done for designate in time | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | pretty much ll those will have to move to the next cycle | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | it's too late for new features now | 16:26 |
| spotz | o/ off to outing | 16:27 |
| mattt | spotz: do enjoy | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | I need to do some housekeeping on the milestone. | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | mattt do you want to discuss the functional testing based on your work so far? | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | we've come to realise that the testing gets very unwieldy very quickly | 16:28 |
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| mattt | odyssey4me: sure | 16:28 |
| automagically | It sure does | 16:28 |
| mattt | so as i'm sure everyone knows, we've been urgently getting a convergence test into each IRR | 16:28 |
| mattt | which focuses for the most part on getting infra (rabbit/galera) stood up, keystone (required for services to register), and the role in question's service | 16:29 |
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| mattt | this has worked OK, but involves a ton of overrides needing to be set in the test playbooks, which is repeated from role to role | 16:29 |
| mattt | so we need to find a way to abstract some of this stuff out of each role's test playbook so we can reuse the code from role to role | 16:29 |
| mattt | right now, for example, each role's test playbook has to re-setup keystone and override a ton of things for that to work | 16:30 |
| mattt | i've been trying to shim in openstack-extra's group_vars files but haven't gotten a build to go through yet | 16:30 |
| mattt | s/openstack-extra/openstack-ansible/ | 16:31 |
| mattt | i've also been making some additional modifications to use a constraints file when installing packages in the test scenario | 16:31 |
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| mattt | otherwise, as we witnessed yesterday, some services will use untested dependencies which may or may not work (pysaml2 had a new release yesterday which broke the installation of keystone) | 16:31 |
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| automagically | While I like the technical goal of reuse, I think having the roles tests depend directly on assets in the OSA repo is likely to run counter to our goal of making them reusable outside the OSA playbook/inventory/group_vars structure | 16:32 |
| mattt | anyway, things are currently in flux, there's no real pattern at the moment, but i think it's worthwhile getting this work done across all roles and we can then refactor to remove duplication and simplify things | 16:32 |
| mattt | automagically: that is a good point | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | automagically: +1 | 16:32 |
| automagically | Meaning, I’m not against finding refactoring patterns for the tests that work, I just want to be careful that they don’t adversely effect coupling | 16:32 |
| automagically | In fact, ideally, the testing has shown us some paths to reduce coupling I believe | 16:33 |
| michaelgugino | not a huge fan, but git submodules might work for this | 16:33 |
| mattt | automagically: things are getting tightly coupled as it is, because we have to configure the tests to use the same SHAs in openstack-ansible | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | automagically well, not really - this is only for testing | 16:33 |
| mattt | we may get to a point where we can just use master, but right now stuff doesn't work | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | the goal is to allow the role to be used in isolation, but the testing we do will be tests that combine our own roles | 16:33 |
| automagically | Well, the SHAs coupling is to openstack in general more so than OSA | 16:34 |
| jmccrory | mattt have a log or example of what's breaking when using master? | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | automagically yeah, but we need to manage the side effects of things breaking upstream | 16:34 |
| automagically | no disagreement there ^ | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | using the openstack-ansible sha's which update roughly every two eeks makes that simpler | 16:34 |
| mattt | jmccrory: there was a change in keystone master which caused the installation of keystone to fail, it had something to do with creating a project now requires a domain, which we don't pass by default | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | so we focus on our work and fix brokenness from upstream changes in a predictable manner | 16:35 |
| automagically | mattt: Hmm, more details on that would be good. I can prep a fix | 16:35 |
| mattt | jmccrory: i tried a quick workaround by having the playbook pass a domain, but that didn't work ... anyway i didn't want to get too distracted chasing these master bugs and figured i'd use known SHAs for the time being | 16:35 |
| automagically | Sounds like an easy item to work through | 16:35 |
| automagically | or not so easy by the sound of your experience | 16:35 |
| mattt | automagically: i can hunt down the review, will get it for you after this | 16:35 |
| automagically | Thx | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | I think that having tox pull down the current branch from the openstack-ansible repo and re-using anything we can from there makes sense | 16:36 |
| mattt | does it make sense for openstack-ansible to use roles which are tested against a different version of openstack services than openstack-ansible will be using? | 16:36 |
| mattt | i just suspect we will constantly run into issues if we flip all tests to using master | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | it also provides a way where we can keep common testing vars there | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | mattt I agree absolutely. Anyone using the role for other purposes is welcome to set things up differently, but our tests should use the same SHA's as the openstack-ansible repo | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | it allows us to update them in one place, and maintain them in one place | 16:37 |
| automagically | Using master is a benefit for testing, only once we have the tests running against the OSA SHAs | 16:37 |
| automagically | i.e. useful for the long term, but not a current priority in my view | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | and also prevents us having our work disrupted by shenanigans in other project development cycles. | 16:38 |
| mattt | yep because we will reach a point where the role needs modification to work with a project but then openstack-ansible will fail when it tries using that role since it's using an older version of the project | 16:38 |
| automagically | mattt: That’s where role versioning needs to come in | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | automagically yep - if we get more people using the roles in that way, then fixes will naturally come in... but right now our current contributor base is quite small so we need to manage the side-effects of upstream development changes quite carefully | 16:39 |
| automagically | FWIW, I’d love to have Liberty versions of the IRRs | 16:39 |
| palendae | automagically: I think that's way too late at this point | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | automagically I would not be surprised if you could build liberty using the Mitaka roles | 16:39 |
| palendae | Even if it would be nice | 16:39 |
| mattt | so my suggestion is to plow on and get the tests all standardised across the roles | 16:39 |
| mattt | w/ the necessary developer_mode changes that pull in upper constraints | 16:40 |
| palendae | Also odyssey4me's probably right | 16:40 |
| automagically | Can we attempt to standardise on the breakout of test-prep, container-create and test.yml? | 16:40 |
| mattt | and once we're in that place we can sit down and figure out a better way to decouple from OSA (if that is the agreement) or how we can improve these | 16:40 |
| automagically | As well as the developer_mode | 16:40 |
| mattt | then i think we'll be in a good place to add more functional testing to each role | 16:40 |
| mattt | automagically: i think that is a good idea | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | automagically yeah, I'd like to see the tests broken into more playbooks that are nicely named and have some sort of standard | 16:40 |
| automagically | We seem to have an evolving standard | 16:41 |
| mattt | cloudnull: appreciate your input too since you did a bunch of the testing on these IRRs | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | let's keep notes on this in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/testing-os-roles please | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | let's use it to communicate challenges, the evolving standard, etc | 16:41 |
| automagically | Yep, I added a link to Jimmy’s work on the test file decomposition there earlier | 16:42 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: k | 16:42 |
| automagically | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288617/ | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | so mattt you're working on figuring out how to pull in the SHA's from the openstack-ansible repo, right? | 16:42 |
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| mattt | odyssey4me: i am, but i am also out tomorrow | 16:43 |
| mattt | so will need to pick up on that on monday | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | mattt :( if you can put in a review of where you're at, then hopefully someone else can pick up from where you're at | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | is anyone available to continue hacking on that during our evening? | 16:44 |
| mattt | odyssey4me: well let's focus on getting things now in a sane place | 16:44 |
| mattt | then we can focus on bringing in openstack-ansible's group_vars | 16:45 |
| mattt | some may not even agree that's the right approach | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | fair enough | 16:45 |
| mattt | so let's finish 1 thing then move onto that | 16:45 |
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| odyssey4me | so while mattt's working on that, can everyone else muck in to standardising having a functional convergence test that works the same way in all the roles? | 16:46 |
| automagically | I could use some help figuring out what’s going on with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290034/ | 16:46 |
| mattt | automagically: i can help you w/ that | 16:47 |
| automagically | And could use more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/289454 | 16:47 |
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| automagically | Once those convergence tests are operable and merged, I’m happy to add functional tests/assertions to those and other roles | 16:47 |
| mattt | actually https://review.openstack.org/289454 is the one i can help with, i was looking at that one already :) | 16:47 |
| automagically | So heat is passing at least | 16:48 |
| automagically | Horizon is the one I can’t see to get to pass convergence | 16:48 |
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| stevelle | Horizon will need a different inventory model b/c of keystone's apache | 16:49 |
| stevelle | expecting it to have other challenges too | 16:49 |
| automagically | stevelle: Thx, any comments on that one please drop em on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290034/ | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we have 10 mins left | 16:50 |
| automagically | I should have time throughout the day to work on it | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
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| automagically | Quick docs issue. Are folks generally happy with this pattern for IRR docs: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/55/290955/2/check/gate-openstack-ansible-os_keystone-docs/16c7d8d//doc/build/html/ | 16:51 |
| automagically | Where-in the defaults/main.yml ends up being directly sourced into the doc | 16:51 |
| palendae | automagically: I think that's a good idea | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | automagically yeah, fantastic - at least while the docs are basic | 16:51 |
| automagically | Should let us focus on making sure vars are explained in-situ | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | if we build out the docs then we can shift... but for now that makes much more sense | 16:52 |
| jmccrory | looks good | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | love it | 16:52 |
| automagically | Is there additional gate optimisation to be done, that we should be discussing? | 16:53 |
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| automagically | I know that was a focus of a fair bunch of work over the last week or two | 16:53 |
| automagically | Seems pretty well ironed out at this point | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | it's getting better: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Eopenstack/openstack-ansible.*+topic:gate-optimise | 16:54 |
| palendae | I heard mention of some cirros random number generation behavior that might be affecting gate times, too | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | once the master patch for the new nova_api DB is merged, then https://review.openstack.org/290486 can be rechecked | 16:54 |
| logan- | i figured i might run some new profiles in a week or two so we can see comparisons with new nodepools like osic/vexxhost and see how the other optimizations are affecting things | 16:55 |
| stevelle | we should test against the standard affinity settings then | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | stevelle yeah, we should return it back to the right settings | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | not right now though - I need to get the apt mirror usage in, then the python mirrors too | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | and lastly I think perhaps also some improvements to the lxc cache prep | 16:56 |
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| odyssey4me | but that may have to be left until next cycle | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | it's a little late in the game to change how that works for this cycle | 16:57 |
| raddaoui | I have one | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | raddaoui oh | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | ? | 16:57 |
| raddaoui | I want to discuss this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289622/ | 16:57 |
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| raddaoui | this patch allows to check for kernel modules if they are statically builtin in the kernel, | 16:58 |
| raddaoui | loadable as modules or not compiled at all only against specific group hosts | 16:58 |
| raddaoui | (networking, compute..). | 16:58 |
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| odyssey4me | let's chat about that in #openstack-ansible as we're out of time here | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | thanks all for attending | 16:58 |
| raddaoui | okay | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 16:59:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-10-16.03.html | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-10-16.03.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-10-16.03.log.html | 16:59 |
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| LouisF | @startmeeting service_chaining | 17:01 |
| LouisF | @start-meeting service_chaining | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | @start_meeting service_chaining | 17:02 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:02 |
| s3wong | LouisF: #startmeeting | 17:02 |
| fsunaval | Hi LouisF | 17:02 |
| LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 17:02:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:02 |
| LouisF | s3wong: thx | 17:03 |
| s3wong | LouisF: NP :-) | 17:03 |
| LouisF | cathy is on business trip | 17:03 |
| LouisF | i will be out also next week at onf - suggest we cancel next weeks meeting | 17:04 |
| LouisF | there were a couple of actions from last week | 17:04 |
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| LouisF | raofei was to provide a link to service insertion idea | 17:05 |
| LouisF | is raofei on? | 17:06 |
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| LouisF | ok moving on, farad were you able to verify that patch works? | 17:07 |
| fsunaval | yes. we work just fine with the latest master. | 17:07 |
| LouisF | fsunaval: ok great thx | 17:07 |
| fsunaval | in any case, I have also modified our code to make sure of the l2 extension api and my changes with the l2 extension api also seem to work fine. | 17:08 |
| fsunaval | more testing is needed though. | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | fsunaval: ok thx | 17:09 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: what is the status regarding the horizon work? | 17:10 |
| mohankumar | HI LouisF , We are in the integration part .. | 17:11 |
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| LouisF | mohankumar: do you have a patch for review? | 17:12 |
| mohankumar | Yes , just sec | 17:12 |
| mohankumar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258430/ | 17:13 |
| mohankumar | LouisF , i ve asked some help from Akihiro on integration part | 17:13 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: thx, everyone please review | 17:13 |
| mohankumar | LouisF , i may update this patch soon | 17:14 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: ok great | 17:14 |
| mohankumar | Regarding Heat changes , Code is ready and sanity tests were passed | 17:15 |
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| LouisF | regarding tacker work, a new patch has been posted for the tacker to networking-sfc driver | 17:15 |
| LouisF | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290771 | 17:16 |
| LouisF | s3wong: thanks for all the work you did on this spec | 17:16 |
| LouisF | this driver will be part of the tacker server and will interface between the tacker vnffg/vnfm plugins and networking-sfc API | 17:18 |
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| LouisF | once the spec is approved to can start to look at actually implementing that driver.. | 17:21 |
| LouisF | please comment on that spec | 17:21 |
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| fsunaval | will do Louis. | 17:22 |
| LouisF | fsunaval: thanks | 17:22 |
| LouisF | #topic sdn controller drivers | 17:23 |
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| fsunaval | do you want me to commit the l2 extension API changes or should we hold off on that since things work just fine as is ? | 17:23 |
| LouisF | we currently have ovs driver and onos driver | 17:23 |
| LouisF | we are thinking of adding other sdn controller drivers depending on level of interest.. | 17:24 |
| LouisF | in particular odl, ovn, dragonflow.. | 17:24 |
| LouisF | if anyone has a driver they want to work on please speak up | 17:25 |
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| fsunaval | I can look at ovn driver | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | fsunaval: great thanks | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | #topic future enhancements | 17:27 |
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| LouisF | there was a list of potential enhancements on a previous meeting log | 17:29 |
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| LouisF | SDN controller drivers, support of a mixed chain of VM, container, physical device, integration with upstream Tacker, enhancement of Flow Classifier, Horizon, OAM, Heat, tempest tests | 17:30 |
| LouisF | this is a big list so we can only take on items where is interest | 17:31 |
| mohankumar | LouisF , you know any priorities on these ? | 17:31 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: i think horizon, heat and tempest is definite work | 17:32 |
| mohankumar | SDN controller driver we already supporting ONOS | 17:32 |
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| LouisF | right - i was thinking of other sdn controllers/backends: odl, ovn,.. | 17:33 |
| LouisF | i think that a sfc of mixed devices: VMs, containers, BMs is also important | 17:34 |
| mohankumar | LouisF , yes | 17:34 |
| fsunaval | LouisF: +1 | 17:34 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: and we have the tacker/networking-sfc spec done.. | 17:35 |
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| mohankumar | LouisF , i went through spec , will dig deep | 17:36 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: thanks | 17:36 |
| LouisF | regarding a mixed SFC with SFs on VMs and BMs, I think ironic-neutron integration will be very useful | 17:38 |
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| LouisF | other suggestions, ideas? | 17:39 |
| LouisF | #topic open discussion | 17:40 |
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| LouisF | ok i will close meeting for today | 17:41 |
| mohankumar | okay | 17:41 |
| LouisF | i will cancel the meeting for next week as cathy and I will be out | 17:41 |
| LouisF | thanks all | 17:42 |
| fsunaval | thanks everyone. | 17:42 |
| mohankumar | Thanks | 17:42 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 17:42:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-03-10-17.02.html | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-03-10-17.02.txt | 17:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-03-10-17.02.log.html | 17:42 |
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