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| yuli_s_ | hello | 08:57 |
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| nick-ma | hello | 08:59 |
| gsagie | #startmeeting dragonflow | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 09:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:00 |
| gsagie | Hello to all the dragons :) and the flows.. | 09:00 |
| gampel | Hi | 09:00 |
| gsagie | let this show begin! | 09:00 |
| gsagie | who is here for dragonflow meeting? | 09:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 09:00 |
| Shlomo_N | hi | 09:00 |
| nick-ma | hi | 09:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 09:00 |
| gsagie | matrohon: welcome :) first time i see you | 09:00 |
| matrohon | gsagie, thanks :) | 09:01 |
| gampel | welcome | 09:01 |
| yuli_s_ | Hello | 09:01 |
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| matrohon | I hope there will be room for open discussion today! | 09:01 |
| gsagie | #info gampel, matrohon, nick-ma, oanson, Shlomo_N, yuli_s, gsagie, DuanKebo in meeting | 09:02 |
| DuanKebo | Hi | 09:02 |
| gsagie | matrohon: sure, we have a tight schedule but we are here for the open discussion so we will make some time | 09:02 |
| gsagie | #topic design summit | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:02 | |
| nick-ma | we also can move to dragonflow room for discussion. | 09:02 |
| gsagie | so, Dragonflow was approved as big-tent project | 09:03 |
| matrohon | gsagie, nick-ma fine! | 09:03 |
| Shlomo_N | Congrats...! | 09:03 |
| gsagie | and this means we need to request for rooms for design summit sessions, we have few topics and gampel | 09:03 |
| gsagie | need to send an email to request how many rooms | 09:03 |
| gampel | we need to decide how many work session we want in the summit | 09:03 |
| gsagie | how many sessions | 09:03 |
| gsagie | gampel: i think we also want 1-2 fishbowl to hopefully have a broder community discussion regarding general roadmap and users requests/questions | 09:04 |
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| gampel | I think that we need at least 4 1 hour sessions | 09:04 |
| gsagie | so i was thinking something in the area of 1 fishbowl session and 5 1 hour sessions | 09:04 |
| gsagie | yeah | 09:04 |
| gampel | yes sound good | 09:04 |
| gsagie | gampel: ok, lets also start etherpad to prioritze the points we want to discuss | 09:05 |
| gsagie | so anyone can add | 09:05 |
| gsagie | and publish to mailing list maybe | 09:05 |
| gampel | road map for N is one | 09:05 |
| nick-ma | we can list our session schedule on etherpad for priority. | 09:05 |
| nick-ma | yes | 09:05 |
| gsagie | #action gampel return design session numbers we need (1 fishbowl, 5x1 hour) | 09:05 |
| gsagie | #action gampel start etherpad for design summit topics | 09:05 |
| gsagie | yeah lets continue on that etherpad, we still have time | 09:06 |
| gampel | I will create the etherpad and sent it to the mailing list | 09:06 |
| gsagie | ok great! | 09:06 |
| gsagie | thanks | 09:06 |
| nick-ma | thakns | 09:06 |
| gsagie | #topic testing | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:06 | |
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| gsagie | Ok, Shlomo_N, yuli_s, please update us on this front | 09:06 |
| Shlomo_N | ok | 09:06 |
| gsagie | We are starting to create scale and API tests | 09:06 |
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| Shlomo_N | First, the data plane performance testing spec was merged into the DragonFlow git repository, you can find it here: | 09:07 |
| Shlomo_N | https://github.com/openstack/dragonflow/blob/master/doc/source/specs/performance_testing.rst | 09:07 |
| gsagie | #link https://github.com/openstack/dragonflow/blob/master/doc/source/specs/performance_testing.rst | 09:07 |
| Shlomo_N | 10x gsagie | 09:07 |
| Shlomo_N | I have finished the data plane performance testing for DVR and | 09:07 |
| Shlomo_N | DragonFlow in multi-node environment | 09:07 |
| gsagie | Shlomo: good job, lets wait with publishing the results | 09:08 |
| gsagie | until we have full picture of Dragonflow with security groups | 09:08 |
| Shlomo_N | sure | 09:08 |
| gsagie | but after that we can start pushing things to openstack-performance-docs | 09:08 |
| gsagie | ok thanks | 09:08 |
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| gsagie | We need to see how we can automate this | 09:08 |
| gsagie | so we can start applying this per patch | 09:08 |
| gsagie | yuli_s also published API/control plane testing spec | 09:09 |
| Shlomo_N | I am starting to work on the automation part | 09:09 |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282873/ | 09:09 |
| gsagie | so please everyone review and share comments/ideas | 09:09 |
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| gsagie | we also would like to work on this with the community yuli_s and define shared standards | 09:09 |
| DuanKebo | Can we also test the perf of neutron refrence design. | 09:09 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: thats what we do | 09:10 |
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| DuanKebo | and compare dragonflow's to it . | 09:10 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: Shlomo_N did a comparsion and will send results | 09:10 |
| yuli_s_ | the doc covvers more single box tests | 09:10 |
| DuanKebo | Great! | 09:10 |
| gsagie | we need to go over them and verify | 09:10 |
| gampel | Good job Yuli , are you going to do it with rally ? | 09:10 |
| yuli_s_ | so, it will be extended as we go | 09:10 |
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| gsagie | yeah as me and yuli_s talked about the goal is to reach rally | 09:10 |
| yuli_s_ | and work with bigger test lab | 09:10 |
| gsagie | for automation, but get initial numbers first as well so we will have an idea what to expect | 09:11 |
| gampel | It will be important to simulate DB client's as well to test | 09:11 |
| gampel | DC scale 1000+ compute node | 09:12 |
| gsagie | gampel: yes good point, after API we will want to test the DB backend as well | 09:12 |
| gsagie | i think its mentioned in the document | 09:12 |
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| gsagie | yuli_s: i say lets first get initial numbers and then start investigating Rally for this, i can help you with that | 09:13 |
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| gsagie | hi vikram! :) | 09:13 |
| yuli_s_ | gsagie: sure ! | 09:13 |
| gsagie | ok lets move to the next topic | 09:13 |
| vikram_ | hi gal ;) | 09:13 |
| gsagie | #topic DB consistency | 09:13 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "DB consistency (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:13 | |
| gsagie | nick-ma: :) | 09:13 |
| gampel | welcome @ vikram_ | 09:13 |
| nick-ma | the current code is in the review. | 09:13 |
| gsagie | hi raofei welcome | 09:13 |
| raofei | hi | 09:13 |
| vikram_ | gampel; thanks | 09:13 |
| gsagie | #info raofei, vikram are in meeting as well | 09:13 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: good job, i did saw we had some exceptions in neutron server, will re check | 09:14 |
| nick-ma | i'm also working on the testing. there are some errors on updating subnet in fullstack. | 09:14 |
| gsagie | yeah i saw some tests are sometimes failing | 09:14 |
| nick-ma | i updated the code. | 09:14 |
| nick-ma | yes. but for manual testing and rally, it works. | 09:14 |
| nick-ma | so i need to figure out why. | 09:14 |
| yuli_s_ | the DB consistency architecture is great, I think we might have some rejections from neutron team that we want to add a new table | 09:15 |
| gsagie | #link DB consistency review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282290/ | 09:15 |
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| yuli_s_ | to sync data in neutron db | 09:15 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: okie great | 09:15 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: thats not a problem | 09:15 |
| gampel | it is an additional table only accessed from our plugin i do not see a problem | 09:15 |
| yuli_s_ | gsagie: i hope too | 09:15 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: okie let us know if you need any help with investigating these tests, i saw some fails that relate to floating ip as well | 09:16 |
| nick-ma | yes. there's no problem for adding a new table for a plugin. | 09:16 |
| gsagie | anything else for DB consistency? | 09:16 |
| gsagie | #topic pub-sub | 09:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pub-sub (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:17 | |
| gsagie | okie.. | 09:17 |
| nick-ma | there's some discussion on getting rid of neutron db and just use nosql for persistent storage. i'll write my thoughts on it. we can discuss it later. | 09:17 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: okie, we had same thoughts but this require much more work and needs to be synced with the Neutron community | 09:17 |
| gsagie | so its defiantly not for this release | 09:18 |
| gampel | yes this is a big change and the biggest problem there is that the DB is only eventually consistent | 09:18 |
| yuli_s_ | for me it is not clear why we need to use ZerroMQ together with redis | 09:18 |
| nick-ma | yes, you are right. | 09:18 |
| gsagie | gampel: the pub-sub stage is yours, please publish us some status :) | 09:18 |
| DuanKebo | redis pub/sub driver is under test now. | 09:18 |
| gampel | Yes pub-sub status | 09:18 |
| DuanKebo | @ruli_s Yes | 09:18 |
| gampel | we have the ZMQ merged | 09:19 |
| DuanKebo | We are try not to use zerroMQ in redis driver | 09:19 |
| gampel | and@ omer is working on separating the publisher into a different service | 09:19 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: gampel found some interesting posts describing that ZeroMQ performance is much better then Redis | 09:19 |
| gsagie | we do need to verify all of it | 09:19 |
| gampel | Curently we only support Neutron server Publishers | 09:19 |
| gsagie | so it might prove more efficent to us redis as DB backend and ZeroMQ as the pub/sub | 09:20 |
| yuli_s_ | gsagie: in the control performance doc we are covering this | 09:20 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, we will investigate it. | 09:20 |
| gampel | we do not support for this release controller to controller | 09:20 |
| gampel | the chasiss are handled from the neutron server side | 09:20 |
| gampel | ZMQ and REdis do not work together they are two drivers | 09:21 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo, gampel: any open points regarding Redis pub/sub? | 09:21 |
| gampel | we can use any DB with any Pub sub driver | 09:21 |
| gsagie | any problems we need to discuss? | 09:21 |
| oanson | In case we'll want DFcontroller-DFcontroller, we can use the database + a table monitor on the controller. | 09:21 |
| DuanKebo | Currently, we are using redis for db and pub/sub | 09:21 |
| gampel | From the discussion today we understand that redis does not need to bind a local socket for the publisher | 09:21 |
| DuanKebo | But open to other opinions | 09:22 |
| gampel | and can run publisher per Neutron server process | 09:22 |
| DuanKebo | opent to other options. | 09:22 |
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| gsagie | okie, then the implementation doesnt need to use the pub/sub service | 09:22 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, it support multiply neutron servers on one host. | 09:22 |
| oanson | DuanKebo, by separating the pub/sub and DB drivers, we allow flexibility. In configuration, we can select to do both with redis, or DB with redis and pub/sub with ZMQ. | 09:23 |
| gampel | what I suggest is that we test performance of the different Pub?sub and then we could compare them all | 09:23 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo, gampel: okie then, lets continue with Redis implementation and compare results to Redis + ZeroMQ or only Redis | 09:23 |
| yuli_s_ | yes, we can start the actual control plane test from here | 09:23 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: is there any time frame for Redis to be completed? | 09:23 |
| gampel | For M Cycle i propose to focus only on Neutron server publishers | 09:23 |
| gsagie | are we close? | 09:23 |
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| DuanKebo | We are doing the test. | 09:24 |
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| DuanKebo | I think it can be finished this week | 09:24 |
| gsagie | the test or the code? | 09:24 |
| DuanKebo | the test | 09:24 |
| nick-ma | we need to build gate check for each db backend. | 09:25 |
| gampel | yes this is a good idea | 09:25 |
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| gsagie | DuanKebo: okie, so please update us with the results | 09:25 |
| gsagie | when you have them | 09:25 |
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| DuanKebo | OK, np | 09:25 |
| gampel | I will add it to the list and register a bug | 09:25 |
| oanson | Gate-tests for each possible configuration is very expensive performance-wise, and may take a lot of time. I think this should be considered. | 09:26 |
| gsagie | But if the effort of completing Redis is minimal, i think we should do it with the pub/sub as well | 09:26 |
| yuli_s_ | DuanKebo: check this out https://github.com/openstack/performance-docs/blob/master/doc/source/test_plans/mq/plan.rst | 09:26 |
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| gsagie | lets talk about gate tests after.. | 09:26 |
| nick-ma | yes, very expensive. :-） | 09:27 |
| gsagie | okie | 09:27 |
| gsagie | #action DuanKebo publish results of pub/sub testing | 09:27 |
| gampel | I think in this teste there are not using pub/sub sockets | 09:28 |
| gsagie | #action DuanKebo try to asses the time it takes to finish Redis for both pub/sub and DB | 09:28 |
| gsagie | gampel: we need to test this end to end, if the effort of adding this now is small i think we need to test this end to end | 09:28 |
| gampel | @DuanKebo the test are mainly for The MSQ part and not for the Pub/Sub | 09:29 |
| gsagie | There are some advantage to selective proactive distribution with redis | 09:29 |
| gsagie | we need to explore | 09:29 |
| gsagie | so lets see if we can complete the work and then do the testing | 09:29 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: what do you think? | 09:30 |
| gampel | Yes i think that the controller path testing will be the key for the selection | 09:30 |
| yuli_s_ | DuanKebo I will be happy to help with the test | 09:30 |
| gsagie | okie, lets continue talking about this after | 09:31 |
| gsagie | #topic security groups and port security | 09:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security groups and port security (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:31 | |
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| gsagie | dingbo here? | 09:31 |
| gsagie | raofei: can you update on this? | 09:31 |
| gampel | we will add th reliability latter but I agree we should start testing as soon as possible | 09:31 |
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| raofei | security group is done by Yuanwei now | 09:31 |
| raofei | The code is almostly completed, now it's testing | 09:32 |
| gsagie | okie, you know when he will upload it up stream? | 09:32 |
| gsagie | so we can all review | 09:32 |
| gampel | maybe ask him to upload with WIP | 09:33 |
| gampel | so we could speed the review cycle | 09:33 |
| raofei | Yes, I think so. @duankebo, when does yuanwei can commit the latest code? | 09:33 |
| gsagie | i think he is disconnected | 09:34 |
| DuanKebo | online again | 09:34 |
| gsagie | ahh ok | 09:34 |
| gsagie | welcome back :) | 09:34 |
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| DuanKebo | I will confirm it with yuanwei | 09:34 |
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| DuanKebo | I think it may be this week | 09:34 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: please do because we are approaching end of release | 09:34 |
| gsagie | doing the testing without security groups is pointless | 09:35 |
| gsagie | #action DuanKebo check security groups status and upload for review to upstream | 09:35 |
| gsagie | #topic distributed DNAT | 09:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "distributed DNAT (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:35 | |
| DuanKebo | yes. as i know most of the code have been finished. | 09:35 |
| gsagie | raofei: ...:) | 09:35 |
| raofei | it's coding phase. | 09:36 |
| gsagie | only the application is missing right? | 09:36 |
| raofei | I think the coding and testing will be completed this week. | 09:36 |
| raofei | yes. | 09:36 |
| gsagie | raofei: ok good job | 09:36 |
| gampel | great :) | 09:36 |
| raofei | of course, the plugin also need to do some change. | 09:36 |
| gsagie | #action raofei upload distributed dnat upstream for review | 09:37 |
| DuanKebo | @raofei Hujie is doing the integration | 09:37 |
| gsagie | #topic selective proactive | 09:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "selective proactive (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:37 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: i saw the code, i need to see about my comments from last patch but over all it looks good | 09:37 |
| gsagie | need to make sure the OVSDB monitor patch updates the correct queue and it seems we have this covered and we only then need the support of the DB/pub sub | 09:38 |
| DuanKebo | Yes i have saw the comments. | 09:38 |
| DuanKebo | and will upload a patch today. | 09:38 |
| DuanKebo | it is under testing aslo. | 09:38 |
| gsagie | oanson: you have a bug on you to move the local cache to be tenant aware, will you find time to work on this? | 09:38 |
| oanson | Sure | 09:38 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok great job, looks good to me | 09:38 |
| gsagie | #action oanson continue gsagie patch for Tenant aware cache | 09:39 |
| gsagie | we can then create better searched per tenant in cache | 09:39 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: any open issue regarding that? | 09:39 |
| gsagie | #link tenant cache https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277176/ | 09:39 |
| DuanKebo | @gsagie I need nb-api to support query by topic | 09:39 |
| gampel | You mean adding additional indexes ? | 09:39 |
| gsagie | gampel: no, we talked about that to make the cache structure by tenants | 09:40 |
| DuanKebo | Some apis miss this para. But we can discuss this after the IRC | 09:40 |
| gsagie | so you have a list/dict of tenants and so on | 09:40 |
| gampel | I see we just need to make sure we do not slow the other query s | 09:40 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok, look at this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284178/ | 09:40 |
| gsagie | it has eveyrthing you need i think | 09:40 |
| gsagie | we need to merge it soon | 09:40 |
| DuanKebo | OK | 09:41 |
| gsagie | gampel: maybe you can review and merge | 09:41 |
| gampel | OK | 09:41 |
| gampel | i will | 09:41 |
| gsagie | gampel: its not going to slow things only make them faster | 09:41 |
| gsagie | both for L3 apps and for DB/controller | 09:41 |
| gsagie | especially when using L3 reactive | 09:42 |
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| gsagie | i do have some work to also fix some things in the L3 proactive app | 09:42 |
| gsagie | #action gsagie decrease flow number in L3 proactive app, one flow per router interface | 09:42 |
| gsagie | for controller reliability, we need to review this code | 09:43 |
| gsagie | #topic controller reliability | 09:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "controller reliability (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:43 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: is there any open issue for that? | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | no | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | This work is delayed. | 09:43 |
| gsagie | okie great, gampel, Li-Ma please review this patch when you have time (and everyone else of course) | 09:44 |
| DuanKebo | Heshan(The guy in charge of this) has been assigned another work | 09:44 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok :( | 09:44 |
| gampel | I will review it today | 09:44 |
| gampel | so we need some one to pick this work | 09:45 |
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| gsagie | DuanKebo: its probably not the most urgent job, but do you want someone else continue this work? | 09:45 |
| nick-ma | okie | 09:45 |
| gsagie | i can work on it | 09:45 |
| DuanKebo | No, Heshan will come back soon | 09:45 |
| gsagie | or you have anyone else? | 09:45 |
| gsagie | ok | 09:45 |
| DuanKebo | He can continue this work. | 09:45 |
| gsagie | #info Heshan come back :) we need you! | 09:46 |
| gsagie | #topic open discussion | 09:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:46 | |
| gsagie | matrohon: stage is yours :) | 09:46 |
| matrohon | gsagie, thanks | 09:46 |
| gsagie | then we can talk about CI jobs | 09:46 |
| matrohon | as nick-ma said earlier, we are considering getting rid of neutron db, and rely on a nosql db instead | 09:47 |
| nick-ma | haven't decided yet. there are lots of tradeoffs and discussion on it. | 09:47 |
| matrohon | this kind of work take place in the following context : | 09:47 |
| matrohon | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7342 | 09:47 |
| gsagie | matrohon: you work with nick-ma? | 09:47 |
| gampel | Did you evaluate how much work it is ? | 09:48 |
| matrohon | gsagie, no, I'm working on distributed cloud | 09:48 |
| matrohon | some experiments have already been done by replacing the neutron db backend with redis | 09:48 |
| gsagie | matrohon: such a model can really help us, so its an interesting thing that we actually also considered | 09:49 |
| nick-ma | i will go to that topic and we can discuss it during the summit. | 09:49 |
| matrohon | nick-ma, +1 | 09:49 |
| gampel | we consider it as well main issues are the eventually consistency of teh D DB and the work load | 09:49 |
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| gsagie | we would all like to participate, i think gampel and I would also love to be there | 09:49 |
| matrohon | there are chances that a dedicated WG gets created in Openstack | 09:49 |
| nick-ma | neutron xxx-list may mislead end-users when db backend is not ACID, due to eventual consistency. | 09:50 |
| matrohon | gampel, yep, I'm not a nosql expert, but I understand that it's a challenging topic | 09:50 |
| nick-ma | yes. | 09:50 |
| gampel | and the query speed | 09:51 |
| gampel | for read | 09:51 |
| gsagie | matrohon: its nice to know about this effort, how can we help? | 09:51 |
| matrohon | it seems your group already gave it a lot of thoughs, it would be awesome to share them in the WG | 09:51 |
| nick-ma | for that dedicated WG? I'm interested in it. | 09:51 |
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| gsagie | matrohon: ok would love that, how do we do it? | 09:51 |
| gampel | yes this is a great effort that we would like to join | 09:51 |
| matrohon | gsagie, we'll probably set up a dedicated meeting during the next summit, I'll let you know | 09:52 |
| gsagie | matrohon: ok that will be great, thanks for sharing and hope to meet you in the summit | 09:52 |
| nick-ma | awesome. | 09:52 |
| gsagie | we might also use one Dragonflow design session to discuss about it, as we explored this area quiet alot | 09:53 |
| gampel | Yes lets us know and if there is active talk about it can you please send us a link | 09:53 |
| matrohon | do you already have some materials about changes to be made in upstream project to achieve the distributed goal | 09:53 |
| matrohon | ? | 09:53 |
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| gsagie | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7342 | 09:53 |
| gampel | yes this is a good idea DB consistency and DB alternative | 09:53 |
| gsagie | matrohon: nothing written | 09:54 |
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| gsagie | matrohon: but we know others that might be interested with this as well | 09:54 |
| nick-ma | you can review the spec of db consistency. we discussed a lot during review. | 09:54 |
| nick-ma | matrohon: . | 09:54 |
| matrohon | gsagie, great! | 09:54 |
| matrohon | nick-ma, I'll do thanks | 09:54 |
| gsagie | okie, so lets continue talk about this and feel free to drop to our channel #openstack-dragonflow if you have any more questions | 09:55 |
| matrohon | gsagie, ok | 09:55 |
| gsagie | and if you guys start meeting before the summit, would love to join | 09:55 |
| gsagie | for the CI, i think we need to decide on our default setup first | 09:55 |
| gsagie | as i mentioned to nick-ma in one of the reviews, i think he will also want to run CI for zookeeper | 09:56 |
| gampel | For the Ci I feel it is very impotent to test the main used DB drivers | 09:56 |
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| gsagie | gampel: i agree, so maybe after Redis is implemented we can add this as well | 09:56 |
| gampel | in the CI so it seem that zookeeper, Redis, etcd | 09:56 |
| gsagie | yep | 09:57 |
| gampel | do we have a limit on the number of CI ? | 09:57 |
| gampel | jobs | 09:57 |
| gsagie | at least for the fullstack tests, dont know if we need to do it for tempest | 09:57 |
| gsagie | gampel: i am not aware of such restriction, but i dont think it will be a problem to add 2 more jobs | 09:57 |
| nick-ma | if we set up all of them, it will take long time on verification. | 09:57 |
| gampel | yes i agree for the fullstack | 09:57 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: i think its done in parallel so not sure about that | 09:58 |
| oanson | Do we want such a job only for zookeeper, redis, etcd? | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | ok | 09:58 |
| oanson | Or any other db driver we add? | 09:58 |
| nick-ma | fullstack only? or adding tempest api testing? | 09:58 |
| gampel | i think it is enough for now | 09:58 |
| gsagie | oanson: lets decide that as we go, right now i dont see a reason to add anythign else | 09:58 |
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| gampel | RamCloud is not used yet | 09:58 |
| gsagie | nick-ma: what do you suggest? | 09:58 |
| oanson | All right | 09:58 |
| gsagie | i think fullstack is enough as it grows it verify the important things | 09:59 |
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| gsagie | tempest is more about the controller logic and less about the DB it self | 09:59 |
| nick-ma | priority? before or after summit? | 09:59 |
| gsagie | maybe add some more DB specific tests to the fullstack | 09:59 |
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| gampel | yes I agree only fullstack and maybe rally latter | 09:59 |
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| gsagie | nick-ma: zookeeper depends on you :) | 10:00 |
| gsagie | i can add the one for Redis | 10:00 |
| yuli_s_ | gsagie: meta service without q-dhcp | 10:00 |
| yuli_s_ | :) | 10:00 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: yeah, we need to work on this as well :) | 10:00 |
| nick-ma | ok | 10:00 |
| gampel | this is a feature we do not support yet | 10:00 |
| gsagie | lets take this offline as our time is done | 10:00 |
| gsagie | thanks everyone for attending! | 10:00 |
| gampel | thanks | 10:00 |
| gsagie | and see you next week | 10:01 |
| gsagie | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
| nick-ma | thanks see you. | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 10:01:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-29-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-29-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-29-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
| DuanKebo | Bye | 10:01 |
| raofei | bye! | 10:01 |
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| apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 15:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 15:01 |
| banix | hi | 15:01 |
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| apuimedo | Hello everybody and welcome to another kuryr weekly meeting | 15:01 |
| gsagie | Hello! | 15:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | hi | 15:01 |
| apuimedo | apart from banix, who's here? | 15:01 |
| salv-orlando | me | 15:01 |
| apuimedo | irenab: fkautz: are you there? | 15:02 |
| irenab | hey | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | #info banix, gsagie, fawadkhaliq, salv-orlando, irenab and apuimedo in the meeting | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | Thank you all for joining | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | let's get the party started | 15:03 |
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| apuimedo | who brings the red plastic cups? | 15:03 |
| apuimedo | #topic design summit logistics | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit logistics (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:03 | |
| apuimedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kuryr-design-summit | 15:03 |
| apuimedo | In this etherpad you can see the topics that were discussed via email and a tentative list of requirements for Gal to send | 15:04 |
| gsagie | from that list, i think we want to request 1-2 fishbowl sessions and around 5-6 work sessions | 15:04 |
| apuimedo | (thanks Gal for compiling it) | 15:04 |
| gsagie | and hope to get it | 15:04 |
| irenab | gsagie: it should be Tu-Thu? | 15:05 |
| gsagie | I am also checking how we can get a spot (if possible) in the operators summit day thanks to Salvatore suggestion | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | Most of you already commented about the topics and so on, but before gsagie sends it, iare there further comments? | 15:05 |
| gsagie | so we can learn about mixed openstack containers production/dev deployments | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: salv-orlando: ops presence would be great | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | we could do with more end-user feedback | 15:05 |
| gsagie | irenab: sec checking | 15:06 |
| gsagie | irenab: tue-friday | 15:06 |
| gsagie | we will request friday free talks half day as well | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: how long are fishbowl and work session slots? | 15:06 |
| gsagie | 40 minutes | 15:06 |
| * apuimedo can't remember | 15:06 | |
| gsagie | + 10 minutes break | 15:06 |
| salv-orlando | apuimedo, gsagie sure it would be great to know how many are using kuryr and in which way | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | #info fishbowl and work session slots are 40 minute | 15:07 |
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| apuimedo | salv-orlando: if the answer is more than 0 I'll be surprised, since we did not release yet :P | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | but who knows these days, people like to live at the bleeding edge | 15:07 |
| irenab | gsagie: apuimedo : I think it worth to send an email to the opestack-ops mailing list | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | irenab: good point | 15:07 |
| irenab | to track attesion prior to the summit | 15:08 |
| salv-orlando | apuimedo: indeed. whuch probably begs one question on how to put together a meaningful ops session | 15:08 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: do you take that one? | 15:08 |
| gsagie | apuimedo: yep | 15:08 |
| apuimedo | salv-orlando: I was thinking of showing something similar to what I showed on Fosdem | 15:08 |
| gsagie | would love to learn about the use cases people are facing without Kuryr as well, just understand what the common ways to deploy and connect between the two environments , maybe we can get some priorities depending on problems | 15:08 |
| apuimedo | but in this case, swarm bare metal alongside OSt and communication between conts and VMs | 15:08 |
| apuimedo | #action gsagie to prepare a proposal/email to the ops list detailing what we'd like to show and try to get some feedback | 15:09 |
| irenab | apuimedo: and nested case too | 15:09 |
| fawadkhaliq | gsagie: +1 | 15:09 |
| gsagie | so the numbers of 1-2 fishbowl + 5-6 work sessions sounds ok? | 15:10 |
| gsagie | and Friday | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | ok, to close this agenda point, I'd like it if we could maybe agree that each session should probably only get one topic and we should try to decide which should be fish bowl and which work sessions | 15:10 |
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| apuimedo | (can be done offline in the etherpad by voting with your name next to the point) | 15:10 |
| irenab | apuimedo: probably after the slots are confirmed? | 15:11 |
| apuimedo | like for example: | 15:11 |
| apuimedo | Documentation: fishbowl (toni) worksession() | 15:11 |
| apuimedo | irenab: well, I want to see what kind of discussion people feel we should have on each item | 15:11 |
| irenab | the main difference is? | 15:12 |
| irenab | talking versus coding? | 15:12 |
| apuimedo | I feel like in working sessions it is a bit less directed | 15:12 |
| apuimedo | the agenda | 15:12 |
| gsagie | apuimedo: i think we can get some good progress on small groups of work sessions (i dont expect too much people anyway) | 15:13 |
| apuimedo | Agreed | 15:13 |
| gsagie | and we need to return an answer this week | 15:13 |
| gsagie | regarding our request | 15:13 |
| irenab | gsagie: so maybe its more about big/smaller rooms? | 15:13 |
| apuimedo | for fishbowl I was thinking about early planning things like mesos and horizon integration | 15:14 |
| gsagie | i think 5-6 sessions and Friday is more then enough (and probably we will not get more) | 15:14 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: sounds good | 15:14 |
| apuimedo | moving on | 15:14 |
| gsagie | irenab: yeah, i dont think we really need the big rooms, maybe just 1-2 session for road map and requierments discussion which we might want more people | 15:14 |
| apuimedo | #action gsagie to send the rooms request. Last chance today for people to add stuff to the etherpad :-) | 15:15 |
| gsagie | okie great | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | #topic Kubernetes integration | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kubernetes integration (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:15 | |
| irenab | apuimedo: let me update here | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | I was gonna ask you anyway | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281132/ | 15:16 |
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| irenab | I pushed the initial spec, early draft and will send update with more details and adress the comments | 15:16 |
| apuimedo | irenab: Do you think it could benefit from the diagram I made yesterday for the prototyping we are doing? | 15:16 |
| irenab | We had chatwith gsagie yesterday and sent email to the k8s-sig-network regarding the concerns we had | 15:17 |
| apuimedo | cause if it does, you can freely copy it over :-) | 15:17 |
| irenab | apuimedo: Lets sync offline and the answer is probably yes, but I want to flash it out a bit more | 15:17 |
| apuimedo | *flesh :P | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | alright | 15:18 |
| irenab | initial intent is to focus on requirements and discuss the translation from k8s to neutron models | 15:18 |
| irenab | apuimedo: sorry, typing to fast | 15:18 |
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| gsagie | apuimedo, irenab: i looked at the diagram and think it makes sense, at least it solves most of the problems i could think of that we talked with irenab | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | it just has a very special meaning to flash things out :D | 15:18 |
| gsagie | would be great to get it in Kuryr repo as well | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | irenab: ok. My intention is to then send two specs | 15:18 |
| gsagie | and start discussion | 15:18 |
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| apuimedo | (not necessarily myself) | 15:19 |
| gsagie | heh :) | 15:19 |
| apuimedo | one for the CNI driver | 15:19 |
| apuimedo | one for the API watcher | 15:19 |
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| apuimedo | that will answer the requirements of the spec you sent irenab | 15:19 |
| irenab | apuimedo: gsagie : I think it makes to capture all piece at high level in the spec and add devref for the details | 15:19 |
| gsagie | btw, sorry for raising this now, but Kuryr is going to be mentioned in ONS (by Eshed Gal Or) in this talk: http://ons2016.sched.org/event/67nA/container-based-dynamic-service-chain-using-distributed-sdn-pipeline-injection-openstack-dragonflow-kuryr-eshed-gal-or-huawei?iframe=yes&w=&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 15:20 |
| gsagie | if anyone is going.. | 15:20 |
| salv-orlando | gsagie: I did not know ons was still a thing ;) | 15:20 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: this is on the community updates agenda point ;-) | 15:20 |
| apuimedo | I'll bring it up later and we add it as a link ;-) | 15:20 |
| gsagie | salv-orlando: heh same.. | 15:20 |
| apuimedo | irenab: I'm not sure I got it completely | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | ah, ok, now I got it | 15:21 |
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| apuimedo | you mean that those two sections should be devref instead of spec | 15:21 |
| irenab | apuimedo: yes | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | I'm more than fine with it. Good idea :-) | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to send API watcher as devref | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | #action devvesa to send CNI driver as devref | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | #action all to review the current spec | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | anything more about k8s before we move on to nested? | 15:22 |
| salv-orlando | apuimedo: I think that is all atm | 15:22 |
| gsagie | not from me, but they are obviously also related :) | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | cool! | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | #topic VM-nested containers | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VM-nested containers (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:23 | |
| irenab | I think banix and the team also play with k8s | 15:23 |
| apuimedo | indeed. I was hoping mpreitzer would also be in the meeting | 15:23 |
| gsagie | yeah, actually would love to get banix and IBM team thoughts about the Kubernetes integration | 15:23 |
| apuimedo | but we can continue engaging in the spec, I think he made a few comments | 15:23 |
| gsagie | and how they see it, but i guess we can also iterate on the review | 15:23 |
| banix | i believe mike has a prototype running | 15:23 |
| irenab | using libnetwork? | 15:24 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: the floor is yours (thanks for addressing all the comments, I'll try to review it today) | 15:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: thanks | 15:24 |
| banix | we will comment on the review | 15:24 |
| apuimedo | irenab: yup, using libnetwork | 15:24 |
| irenab | banix: thanks | 15:24 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269039/9/doc/source/specs/mitaka/nested_containers.rst | 15:24 |
| banix | irenab: yes. | 15:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | so the spec is updated after all the comments. thanks for the review everyone | 15:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | we got reviews from Magnum team as well | 15:24 |
| * apuimedo has been bad lately with getting to it | 15:24 | |
| fawadkhaliq | Now action item for all of you to review the current version so we can close on it soon | 15:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | :-) | 15:25 |
| apuimedo | yes, it was great to see hongbin and adrian joining in | 15:25 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo and all to review the spec! | 15:25 |
| gsagie | fawadkhaliq: great will do it today/tommorow but i also want to wait so we get approval from the Magnum guys before we merge it | 15:25 |
| gsagie | maybe ping Adrian/Daneyon to review it | 15:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | next steps would be to start hashing out details about the Kuryr Agent. | 15:25 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: gsagie: maybe we can... | 15:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/kuryr-agent | 15:26 |
| apuimedo | yup, nagging them a bit :-) | 15:26 |
| irenab | fawadkhaliq: can the implementation start based on the VLAN aware VM support progress? | 15:26 |
| fawadkhaliq | gsagie: agree and makes sense | 15:26 |
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| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: are you going to use vlan aware VM or the binding profile for starting out? | 15:26 |
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| fawadkhaliq | irenab: I will have to evaluate the current status of VLAN aware VMs and will comment on this | 15:26 |
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| fawadkhaliq | I am hoping VLAN aware VMs | 15:26 |
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| apuimedo | very well | 15:27 |
| fawadkhaliq | if not, then binding profile could be for the used until, I will check and comment | 15:27 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: apart from reviews, is there any tasks you'd like to create or get help with? | 15:27 |
| banix | do we know the status of vlan-aware vm work? | 15:28 |
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| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: I think at this point, I will involve you, gsagie, irenab in the agent discussion | 15:28 |
| banix | beyond the spec that is | 15:28 |
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| apuimedo | very well fawadkhaliq. You got that ;-) | 15:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: nothing else so far. will let you know, thanks | 15:28 |
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| fawadkhaliq | thats all on the nested containers today | 15:29 |
| gsagie | banix: i am not aware of progress, but maybe i missed it | 15:29 |
| apuimedo | banix: I got the sensation from russellb's comment that "in the meantime we could use the binding profile" | 15:29 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: I will send an update on the current progress | 15:29 |
| apuimedo | that it probably will be some time until it is functional in devstack | 15:29 |
| * russellb looks up | 15:29 | |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: please assign an action item to me for that | 15:29 |
| apuimedo | #action fawadkhaliq report on vlan aware VMs progress to the ML | 15:29 |
| russellb | vlan-aware-vms is in progress. the OVN plugin has an OVN specific binding profile that can be used now, yes | 15:29 |
| russellb | there are initial vlan-aware-vms API patches up for review now | 15:30 |
| russellb | marked WIP last i checked though | 15:30 |
| fawadkhaliq | russellb: thanks, will check out the binding profile mechanism | 15:30 |
| russellb | so might be early Newton cycle work | 15:30 |
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| apuimedo | russellb: thanks a lot for checking in! | 15:30 |
| russellb | the OVN binding profile mechanism is here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-ovn/containers.html | 15:30 |
| gsagie | fawadkhaliq: can help you with that if you need | 15:31 |
| apuimedo | russellb: who is working on the implementation now? | 15:31 |
| russellb | vlan-aware-vms patches: https://review.openstack.org/279253 https://review.openstack.org/279251 https://review.openstack.org/281723 https://review.openstack.org/283407 | 15:31 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link OVN binding profile mechanism http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-ovn/containers.html | 15:31 |
| russellb | also related to vlan-aware-vms work https://review.openstack.org/273954 | 15:31 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/273954 | 15:31 |
| apuimedo | link https://review.openstack.org/279253 | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/279253 | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | and so on :P | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | thanks russellb | 15:32 |
| russellb | np | 15:32 |
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| apuimedo | moving on to the next topic | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | banix, your time has come | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | #topic Existing network reuse | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Existing network reuse (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:32 | |
| banix | so I tried a couple of approaches | 15:33 |
| banix | One that keeps using Neutron network name to store the Kuryr network ID | 15:33 |
| irenab | apuimedo: can you please post the link to the agenda? | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | irenab: yes | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Meeting_February_29.2C_2016 | 15:34 |
| banix | which requires updating the neutron network name in the cases where we use existing networks | 15:34 |
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| apuimedo | banix: did you try the new description field? | 15:34 |
| banix | In my opinion this is reasonable as a stop-gap measure until we have tags in Neutron | 15:34 |
| banix | apuimedo: i thought hat is not there yet but if there will try | 15:35 |
| gsagie | banix: there is the patch about adding descriptions to neutron objects, which can be used in the meantime as well | 15:35 |
| gsagie | its not merged yet | 15:35 |
| banix | yeah thats what i saw last | 15:35 |
| gsagie | but it has the chance to be faster then the tags | 15:35 |
| banix | I also played with using a kv store | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | banix: I agree, as long as we change to descriptions/tags in the near future, I'm happy to take it | 15:35 |
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| gsagie | banix: probably will be good to also update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254005/ | 15:35 |
| gsagie | thats the spec Taku started | 15:35 |
| banix | which works but opens up a whole new set of things to consider | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | banix: if possible, I'd avoid that | 15:36 |
| banix | gsagie: yes i promised to update it but haven’t done so; will do today | 15:36 |
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| banix | apuimedo: i agree | 15:36 |
| apuimedo | banix: which approach did you go for? | 15:36 |
| irenab | banix: about the kv store usage, what are your findings? | 15:36 |
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| apuimedo | schedule a task after returning control to docker that goes and updates kv? | 15:36 |
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| banix | Using consul as kvstore is rather trivial | 15:36 |
| banix | I suspect other choises wont be much more difficult either | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | (I had thought of doing that for updating neutron name once we have tags descriptions to give nice neutron names to the kuryr created nets | 15:37 |
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| apuimedo | ) | 15:37 |
| irenab | banix: but this adds another dependency | 15:37 |
| banix | i keep the kuryr is and neutron id as a kv pair in the store | 15:37 |
| banix | irenab: agree | 15:37 |
| banix | and if we want to do it properly need to support various kvstores etc | 15:38 |
| apuimedo | banix: or use something like libkv | 15:38 |
| apuimedo | but that is just Go | 15:38 |
| apuimedo | :/ | 15:38 |
| salv-orlando | banix, irenab: but it seems this is just a stopgap measure until neutron has tugs | 15:38 |
| irenab | and it break the initial goal of being stateless | 15:38 |
| banix | so considering tags are going to be there i thin it is not worth going the kv store path | 15:38 |
| gsagie | banix: agreed on my part | 15:39 |
| irenab | banix: +1 | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | so why worry too much. at the end of the day kuryr is still in an experimental phase. I think it's ok to use consul and then throw it away once neutron tags are available | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | I call for a vote | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | on which stopgap measure to go for | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | unless, of course, there is reasonable certainity that neutron will have tag support in mitaka | 15:40 |
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| irenab | gsagie: can you update on this? | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | those in favor of "name changing" say name, those in favor of kv say "kv" | 15:40 |
| banix | i believe neutron wont have tags in Mitaka | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | banix: I agree | 15:40 |
| salv-orlando | banix: I believe that too | 15:40 |
| irenab | and description? | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | I believe there will be description, but I'm an outsider :P | 15:40 |
| salv-orlando | I am for kv. I don't like mangiling with strings | 15:40 |
| banix | irenab: no description; just flip a coin :) | 15:40 |
| banix | name | 15:40 |
| gsagie | irenab: someone else took the implementation of the spec | 15:40 |
| gsagie | the spec itself is merged | 15:41 |
| gsagie | I can ask him for the status and update next meeting | 15:41 |
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| irenab | I am agains the name but see additional burden of kv store | 15:41 |
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| apuimedo | irenab: I count that as kv | 15:42 |
| irenab | gsagie: yes, please | 15:42 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: what's your take? | 15:42 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: you too | 15:42 |
| irenab | apuimedo: not, I prefer avoid the vote :-) | 15:42 |
| apuimedo | irenab: too late :P | 15:42 |
| gsagie | apuimedo: i think we need to talk with the person that is going to use it | 15:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: kv is lessy hacky | 15:43 |
| gsagie | if the name change is fine | 15:43 |
| irenab | I count on banix to make the best choice | 15:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | irenab: +1 | 15:43 |
| gsagie | lets keep it simple until we have tags or description | 15:43 |
| banix | irenab: thought you had better judgement :) | 15:43 |
| gsagie | i feel that the description could be merged soon | 15:43 |
| apuimedo | ok | 15:43 |
| apuimedo | name* | 15:44 |
| banix | let me checkout the description patch and see where we can go from there | 15:44 |
| irenab | I do not want kuryr to modify something that user defines, but as a temporary solution probably ok | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | #action: banix to work on using name to have it working like right now | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | #action: banix to continue investigation of replacing it with description/tags/kv for release time | 15:45 |
| gsagie | i dont mind either solution banix picks :) they are the main first user of this anyway | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | is that right? | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | I mean, the action points? | 15:45 |
| banix | sounds good | 15:45 |
| irenab | banix: I beleive in you :-) | 15:45 |
| gsagie | sounds good to me | 15:45 |
| gsagie | we all do :) | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | banix: anything you could use some help with? | 15:45 |
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| banix | no, I am good | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | very well :-) | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | #topic Packaging | 15:46 |
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| apuimedo | I was not able to move it last week unfortunately | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | but I believe this week I'll be able to get the rdo one ready | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | #link https://github.com/celebdor/rdo-kuryr | 15:47 |
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| apuimedo | obviously it is not in the kuryr repo | 15:47 |
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| apuimedo | it should end up living on https://github.com/openstack-packages/kuryr | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | #link https://github.com/openstack-packages/kuryr | 15:47 |
| gsagie | cool | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | Note that the packaging is a bit ambitious and it uses the CAP_NET_ADMIN hack not to run as root | 15:48 |
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| apuimedo | so probably I'll have to patch the binding scripts not to drop the privilege | 15:48 |
| apuimedo | any questions about the packaging? | 15:48 |
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| apuimedo | (besides, when will you finish, darn it?! | 15:49 |
| apuimedo | ) | 15:49 |
| gsagie | any progress on the Kolla+OVS ? | 15:49 |
| gsagie | dont know if its related | 15:49 |
| banix | I saw the blueprint for Kola integration was pushed out of Mitaka, Hui Do you have any updates? | 15:49 |
| Hui | HI | 15:49 |
| apuimedo | I have some work on containerization | 15:49 |
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| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279320/ | 15:49 |
| Hui | If kuryr requires consul, we need add consul to kolla first. | 15:50 |
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| apuimedo | Hui: are you starting from there or is there somewhere else we could look at? | 15:50 |
| Hui | I have some old patch in kolla, but has not merged | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | Hui: so far we don't need consul :P | 15:50 |
| Hui | ok, i see | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | Hui: can we get a link for that? | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | Hui: does kolla have etcd? | 15:50 |
| banix | apuimedo: we need a kv store for docker irtself | 15:50 |
| Hui | no etcd in kolla | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | we need either consul, etcd or zk | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | Hui: banix: which do you think is easier to add? | 15:51 |
| Hui | I prefer consul as we have some existing work on it | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | consul clusters easier | 15:51 |
| irenab | guys, any spec/doc/launchpad on this task? | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | Hui: ok, go for it! | 15:51 |
| Hui | but etcd should also be straitforward | 15:51 |
| Hui | sure, let me add that to the kolla bp | 15:51 |
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| irenab | link can be helpful | 15:51 |
| Hui | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kuryr-docker-plugin | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kuryr-docker-plugin | 15:52 |
| irenab | Hui: thanks | 15:52 |
| Hui | my pleasure | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | #topic Rally and fullstack integration | 15:52 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie: are you taking this point? (got only 4 minutes) | 15:53 |
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| gsagie | Baohua is working on this | 15:53 |
| gsagie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265105/ | 15:53 |
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| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265105/ | 15:53 |
| gsagie | keeps failing for testing containers | 15:53 |
| gsagie | will need to check it | 15:53 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265105/ | 15:53 |
| gsagie | dont know if the problems are related to the python client | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | #action gsagie to check the patch to try to dig out the issues | 15:54 |
| gsagie | or to the use | 15:54 |
| gsagie | k | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | any other thing about rally? | 15:54 |
| gsagie | not at this point | 15:54 |
| gsagie | once we get this working we can add more rally tests | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | #info: as we start implementing specs (like re-using neutron nets) please, add integration tests | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | right! | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | #topic community and other topics | 15:55 |
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| gsagie | http://ons2016.sched.org/event/67nA/container-based-dynamic-service-chain-using-distributed-sdn-pipeline-injection-openstack-dragonflow-kuryr-eshed-gal-or-huawei?iframe=yes&w=&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | #link http://ons2016.sched.org/event/67nA/container-based-dynamic-service-chain-using-distributed-sdn-pipeline-injection-openstack-dragonflow-kuryr-eshed-gal-or-huawei?iframe=yes&w=&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 15:55 |
| gsagie | for the people going to the bay area :) | 15:56 |
| gsagie | for ONS | 15:56 |
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| apuimedo | there is going to be a kuryr talk in the bay area :-) | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | we have to cover the globe all the way down to Milwaukee | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 15:56 |
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| apuimedo | anybody else has other news or questions? | 15:57 |
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| irenab | apuimedo: I think maybe for next meetings there should be some bug overview at agenda | 15:57 |
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| banix | irenab: excellent point! | 15:57 |
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| irenab | people can add links and ask for review | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | #action gsagie apuimedo to add to the next meeting agenda bug scrubbing | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | most likely gsagie since I always forget about writing the agenda down :P | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | nice idea! | 15:59 |
| banix | we need to review bgs on launchpad, assign level, etc | 15:59 |
| apuimedo | yes | 15:59 |
| banix | i did some a couple of weeks ago | 15:59 |
| apuimedo | maybe we could rotate it among the cores every week | 15:59 |
| apuimedo | the bug scrubbing | 15:59 |
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| banix | yup | 15:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo gsagie let me know if you guys need help with that. Will be happy to help. | 16:00 |
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| irenab | +1 | 16:00 |
| banix | Sukhdev: must be behind the door :) out of time | 16:00 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: oh yes, sorry. I didn't mean to close it down to the cores | 16:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: lol | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | banix : I am here - waiting :-) | 16:00 |
| apuimedo | here we're all in the same standing :-) | 16:00 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 16:01:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| salv-orl_ | adieuuu | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-29-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-29-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-29-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| apuimedo | Thanks all for joining! | 16:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | byee | 16:01 |
| irenab | bye | 16:01 |
| banix | bye | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks time for Ironic-neutron meeting | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 16:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 16:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_February_29.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Welcome to ironic-neutron meeting | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Feel free to add to the agenda | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Happy 29th Feb | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcement? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : are you here? | 16:04 |
| jroll | morning :) | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : are you here ? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Patches Updates | 16:05 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: o/ | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | devananda, jroll: want to share any update on the patch refactoring? | 16:06 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it's well underway, not quite finished yet unfortunately | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: cool - we have some time still | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | let me know when ready - I will give it a spin | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | I am in the middle of setting up my automated test setup | 16:07 |
| jroll | cool | 16:08 |
| jroll | should be this week | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, I tested latest versions of patches as of last Tuesday - all looks good so far | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | couple of patches have some minor comments - I paced +1's on others | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | Everybody please keep the etherpad updated with all the issues, patch updates, etc... | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | this gives us one stop to check everything | 16:10 |
| jroll | good point | 16:10 |
| * jroll updates | 16:10 | |
| sivaramakrishna | Sukhdev: which mech driver did you use.. did you use generic plugin? | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | sivaramakrishna : I use Arista ML2 driver, along with all the patches listed on etherpad | 16:11 |
| sivaramakrishna | which etherpad.. the mid cycle one? | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | sivaramakrishna : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle | 16:11 |
| sivaramakrishna | oh,ok.. is your code anywhere upstream? | 16:11 |
| sivaramakrishna | I was using the generic plugin | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | sivaramakrishna : yes it is on netwroking-arista repo | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | networking-arista | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else on the patches? | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : how's your testing/setup coming along? | 16:13 |
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| sivaramakrishna | got disconnected.. | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Vlan aware BMs | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277853/2 | 16:15 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: I've been busy working on the infrastructure setup for that testing, but it's not up yet | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : were you able to get the right switches, etc.. | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : ping me off-line, if you still need any help | 16:16 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: will do | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : I added this topic to the agenda - | 16:16 |
| devananda | we found some switches with HW VTEP support, but unclear yet about which ML2 plugin we'll need to use with them | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : mestery is working with you, right? I gave him some pointers as to how to test with OVN | 16:18 |
| devananda | yep | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | I have not tested ironic integration with OVN, but, used L2GW with OVSDB setup - | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | it should be similar - with some work, you should be able to test this interface - | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | when you are ready, ping me if you need any help | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | getting back to the topic (sorry) - | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts: wanted to chat about your patch | 16:21 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: I have your email, once we get to that point, I'm going to try it | 16:21 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: sure :) | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | mestery : cool - you know where to find me :-) | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : I left some comments on your patch | 16:22 |
| mestery | I do Sukhdev ;) | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : one thing is not clear - i.e. the plumbing of sub-ports on neutron side - | 16:22 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: yes, so the spec right now doesn't intergrate with the VLAN aware VMs work / trunk port work going on in neutron | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : do you have any thought as to how that integration will work? | 16:24 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev: I've had some thoughts, and the way I think it'll most likely work is a user requests normal nic interfaces on nova boot using the --nic parameter, and then Ironic creates the trunk port | 16:25 |
| sambetts | and then links the nova created ports to the trunk port | 16:25 |
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| sambetts | but we've implemented this functionality downstream without the trunk support in neutron by making our BM ml2 driver do something slightly different | 16:26 |
| sambetts | the switch port is always a trunk port, and then on the first port update it binds native and the allowed vlan, then on second or more port updates with the same switch port in the local link it will only update the allowed list | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | nova will create one port based upon the parameters to boot command - who will orchestrate the create of the subsequent ports? | 16:28 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: with my changes you send multiple --nics to nova | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | oh - I see - does nova allow that - or you have hacked it in your implementation? | 16:29 |
| sambetts | nova boot --nic net-id=net1 --nic net-id=net22 | 16:29 |
| jroll | nova allows it | 16:29 |
| sambetts | built into nvoa | 16:30 |
| sambetts | nova | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | ah cool - then it is easy - | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | so, nova will issue the create_port() or ironic? | 16:31 |
| sambetts | nova | 16:32 |
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| sambetts | then Ironic just uses the ports that nova creates | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | I guess then is fairly straightforward - | 16:32 |
| sambetts | yeah, I've got it working downstream with ~200 lines of code in Ironic and Nova on top of the existing Ironic Neutron intergration | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | so, at the time of time network flip, ironic conductor will issue multiple port-updates, right? | 16:33 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: yup | 16:33 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282431/ | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : cool - got it.... | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | yuriy is not here - | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | I thought we could discuss about the tempest testing that he has been working on | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | anybody tested the his patch? | 16:36 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: not yet, still working on setting up my test bed | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : cool - thanks | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : which ML2 driver are you using for your testing? | 16:38 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: cisco nexus | 16:38 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: although it still needs work | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | so, you are using the driver for both VMs and BMs, right? | 16:39 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: yup, we've extending the driver to accept the BM type | 16:40 |
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| sambetts | extended* | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | makes sense - same here....it makes much easier for the customers/operators | 16:40 |
| sambetts | Yup :D | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | Any body wants to discuss anything? | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | as I am done with the main agenda | 16:42 |
| sivaramakrishna | a question.. | 16:42 |
| sivaramakrishna | when you use 2 nics | 16:42 |
| sambetts | I've got a patch into Glean to help support multiple in-band vlans configured via config drive https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283726/ | 16:43 |
| sivaramakrishna | how are setting up any routes so that the tenant dhcp request gets answered? | 16:43 |
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| sivaramakrishna | did anyone test using 2 nics? | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | I have tested with single nic only | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | sivaramakrishna: you want to connect two nics to the same network? | 16:45 |
| sivaramakrishna | nope | 16:45 |
| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: I've used multiple nics on different neutron networks, and it just works | 16:45 |
| sivaramakrishna | okay great.. and you were able to ssh into it right? | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | two different networks is always supported (even for VMS) | 16:46 |
| sivaramakrishna | also in my devstack sometimes the metadata api doesn't come up at all | 16:46 |
| sivaramakrishna | and the cloudinit goes for a toss | 16:46 |
| sivaramakrishna | oh cool.. | 16:46 |
| sivaramakrishna | is there any way we can ssh to instance without cloudinit? | 16:47 |
| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: it is possible to create an ubuntu image through DIB with a default user installed on the image so you can ssh using username and password instead of relying on ssh key | 16:48 |
| sivaramakrishna | that would be nice.. do you have any such image | 16:48 |
| sivaramakrishna | or a link on how to create it? | 16:48 |
| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder/tree/master/elements/devuser | 16:49 |
| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: you need to include this element when you do disk image create | 16:49 |
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| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: and you need to set the Env variables listed in the README there to customise the password and sudo access etc | 16:50 |
| sivaramakrishna | which element? | 16:50 |
| sambetts | the one I linked to, devuser | 16:50 |
| sivaramakrishna | ah ok.. | 16:51 |
| sivaramakrishna | and I can set the env vars and I should be able to create the image? | 16:51 |
| sambetts | so it would be like, disk-image-create ubuntu baremetal dhcp-all-interfaces devuser | 16:51 |
| sambetts | yup | 16:51 |
| sivaramakrishna | great.. thanks! | 16:51 |
| sivaramakrishna | let me know if you already have any such image. | 16:52 |
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| sivaramakrishna | I'll try to create one though.. I haven't tried this yet | 16:52 |
| sivaramakrishna | what I did was tried to mount a qcow2 | 16:53 |
| sivaramakrishna | and changed the password | 16:53 |
| sivaramakrishna | and then tried deploying it | 16:53 |
| sivaramakrishna | it didn't work.. | 16:53 |
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| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: I've used that method several times recently to debug config drive work | 16:53 |
| sambetts | sivaramakrishna: it works well :) | 16:54 |
| sivaramakrishna | okay.. thanks a bunch!! | 16:54 |
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| sivaramakrishna | will try that.. | 16:54 |
| sivaramakrishna | :) | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | time check - 6 min | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:55 |
| * jroll is good | 16:55 | |
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| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:55 | |
| Sukhdev | going once | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | going twice | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | and..... | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | and... | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | gone!!! | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | thanks folks | 16:56 |
| sambetts | Thanks everyone :D | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | it was a good meeting | 16:56 |
| sivaramakrishna | thanks a lot everyone!! | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | by | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:56 |
| jroll | thanks all | 16:56 |
| sivaramakrishna | bye! :-) | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 16:56:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-02-29-16.01.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-02-29-16.01.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-02-29-16.01.log.html | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, time for L2GW meeting | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody here for L2GW meeting? | 17:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Looks like no body here - so, I am going to cancel the L2GW meeting this week | 17:05 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting stable | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 21:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StableTeam | 21:00 |
| mriedem | who's all around? | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: tonyb: ttx: mrunge: ping | 21:01 |
| tonyb | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | flaper87: jokke_: ping | 21:01 |
| tonyb | Gah I was in meeting-3 bad IRC client! | 21:01 |
| mriedem | moves week to week | 21:01 |
| mriedem | which is confusing | 21:01 |
| mriedem | let's get started | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic status | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | i've been watching the periodic-stable ML | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | fixed some issues in glance last week | 21:02 |
| mriedem | ironic and some other projects had fallout from an oslo.config release too | 21:02 |
| mriedem | ironic is fixed | 21:02 |
| jokke_ | mriedem: pong | 21:03 |
| mriedem | murano and ceilometer also had issues | 21:03 |
| * mtreinish is about to step away for a very late lunch | 21:03 | |
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| mriedem | the trakcing bug was https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1547612 | 21:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1547612 in Ceilometer "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_config_dirs'" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:03 |
| mriedem | looks like murano and ceilometer are on there now | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | #link stable issues tracker https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:04 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Thanks. I've been keeping the failure logs for looking at but .... | 21:04 |
| mriedem | sahara pep8 fixes are finally in | 21:04 |
| mriedem | ksm g-r sync for kilo is also in | 21:04 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 21:04 |
| tonyb | that was much harder than it shoudl have ben | 21:05 |
| mriedem | that took some manual updating by bknudson, looks like the g-r sync bot isn't applying changes to *requirements-py3.txt on stable | 21:05 |
| tonyb | mriedem: can we fix that? | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | i'm assuming b/c i thought the -py3 files were removed in master | 21:05 |
| mriedem | tonyb: probably? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i never reported a bug | 21:05 |
| mriedem | this was the ksm review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277022/ | 21:05 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: Thanks | 21:06 |
| tonyb | brb | 21:06 |
| mriedem | anyway, it's probably worth digging through git log on the requirements repo to see if the py3 thing was intentionally dropped | 21:06 |
| mriedem | but it's lower priority | 21:06 |
| tonyb | . | 21:06 |
| mriedem | lifeless might also know off the top of his head | 21:07 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah | 21:07 |
| mriedem | #topic action items from previous meeting | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:07 | |
| mriedem | tonyb to talk to lifeless about fixtures bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/1542984 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542984 in Python Fixtures "fixtures 1.2.0 isn't compatible with testtools 2.0.0" [Undecided,New] | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i didn't see any updates in the bug | 21:07 |
| mriedem | last i looked the neutron kilo patch was still failing in weird ways | 21:07 |
| mriedem | even though ihar capped testtools in stable/kilo g-r | 21:07 |
| mriedem | 2.0.0 was getting used | 21:08 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah and an unpatched job passes, so there is somethign moer to it that I haven't been able to find. | 21:08 |
| tonyb | I'ev asked lifless to either do ther release or close the bug | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | oh i see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282146/ | 21:09 |
| tonyb | I feel like we can't progress alternate approaches until we have that decision made | 21:09 |
| tonyb | Yeah and I have a WiP patch for oslo.concurency to do the capping there too | 21:09 |
| bknudson | I hope stable/kilo goes away soon. | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | i can ping lifeless on the bug again | 21:10 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282123/ is the one that passes the -api tests without any kind of cap | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to ping lifeless about fixtures bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/1542984Â | 21:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542984 in Python Fixtures "fixtures 1.2.0 isn't compatible with testtools 2.0.0" [Undecided,New] | 21:10 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: which just doesn't make sense to me | 21:10 |
| tonyb | mriedem: that'd be cool | 21:10 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I just did it in #openstack-infra | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | ok, i was trying to unwind some of the neutron job setup b/c there could be something weird in there | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i know you patched devstack on kilo to workaround it | 21:11 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:11 |
| tonyb | mriedem: right that works for devstack | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i'm guessing maybe something like that is needed in neutron stable/kilo functional script or something | 21:11 |
| tonyb | but the -api and neitron-neutron jobs run up a new tox env ontop of the dsvm and then get the wrong testtools | 21:12 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah I looked at that approch rather than https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282146/ | 21:12 |
| tonyb | but I couldn't find anytthing that worked well | 21:13 |
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| tonyb | otehr than a just addeding "pip install -U testtools<=2.0.0" in the post-gate-hoo | 21:13 |
| tonyb | k | 21:13 |
| mriedem | hmm, that failed the LB test | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | which i think there is another kilo patch backport for nova related to that | 21:13 |
| rockyg | bknudson, stable/kilo dies in June??? | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: anyway, we should probably try to capture some of this in the stable-tracker etherpad, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | since it's pretty sparse on the latest changes / attempts | 21:14 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah I've done a terrible job of that. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | rockyg: re: kilo, the releases docs say (EOL: 2016-05-02) | 21:15 |
| mriedem | http://releases.openstack.org/ | 21:15 |
| mriedem | there was another action item from last week | 21:15 |
| mriedem | bknudson to propose dropping upper-constraints from stable/kilo to see if the reqs job will work without it | 21:15 |
| rockyg | mriedem, even better. In some ways. | 21:15 |
| mriedem | that was already sorted out, and we've already talked about it (the py3 thing) | 21:15 |
| bknudson | mriedem: I did that | 21:15 |
| mriedem | yup | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:16 | |
| mriedem | just a reminder to be reviewing stable/liberty things and consider a release sometime soonish to line up with m-3 | 21:16 |
| bknudson | supposedly there will be no more features in oslo libs | 21:16 |
| mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html | 21:16 |
| bknudson | so we'll have stable branches sometime. | 21:16 |
| mriedem | bknudson: ? | 21:16 |
| bknudson | the final releases of non-client libs is past | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming that's the bknudson dry humor? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | ah | 21:17 |
| bknudson | y, just for mitaka, not all time | 21:17 |
| mriedem | well, oslo.config managed to break stable/liberty last week for 3 projects | 21:17 |
| mriedem | but sure | 21:17 |
| rockyg | oslo libs are frozen except for critical bugfixes | 21:18 |
| bknudson | so if we're still going to do stable releases for libs there will be stable branch | 21:18 |
| mriedem | bknudson: yeah | 21:18 |
| tonyb | mriedem: right but that's linked to the u-c mistakes we made on liberty that hopefully we won't do again on mitaka | 21:18 |
| mriedem | tonyb: sort of... | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:19 | |
| mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda, did anyone have something for this? | 21:19 |
| tonyb | mriedem: there are a couple of nova ones but we can talk about that later if you prefer. Possibly best at a nova meeting | 21:20 |
| mriedem | there was a largeish nova backport for an rbd thing | 21:20 |
| mriedem | but that merged | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228505/ | 21:20 |
| mriedem | tonyb: yeah | 21:20 |
| mriedem | #topic tooling | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | there isn't any news here | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i haven't had a chance to work on this | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | well, specifically, "script to check for backport-potential bugs which are fixed on trunk but backports are not yet proposed" | 21:21 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Ooooo I have one of those | 21:21 |
| mriedem | rockyg: if you have devs that are looking for things to hack on, ^ would be one | 21:21 |
| tonyb | I wrote it last week | 21:21 |
| mriedem | tonyb: for that one? | 21:21 |
| tonyb | it need to be cleaned up | 21:21 |
| mriedem | ok, cool | 21:22 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure what repo these go in, maybe release-tools | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: It looks at all the fixed* bugs in LP with a librty-backport-potential tag | 21:22 |
| tonyb | and then checks to see if there is an review for that on liberty | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: that's kinda what you wanted right? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:22 |
| mriedem | basically | 21:22 |
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| rockyg | OK. I supposedly have one. I'll see if I can light a fire, mriedem I likely will need to intro him to you guys then you can guide him. | 21:22 |
| mriedem | rockyg: sounds like tonyb already has what i was looking for | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: i'm not very familiar with the launchpad API but it would be cool if we could also scrape those with a specific release propsed, if the tag isn't there | 21:23 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Just caught up. In two meetings :P | 21:23 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I ran it on nova tl;dr 3 bugs match that criteria which is somethign I wanted to discuss in open-discussion.... | 21:23 |
| mriedem | but it's a good start | 21:23 |
| rockyg | still need to intro him to you guys to get him active. | 21:23 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: Hmm okay I'll look at adding that. | 21:24 |
| tonyb | rockyg: Yeah the more people on #openstack-stable the better :) | 21:24 |
| mriedem | tonyb: would be a good start to just get what you have cleaned up i guess and up for review in release-tools | 21:24 |
| mriedem | i generally add the release to the bug and tag with liberty-backport-potential | 21:24 |
| mriedem | in some projects i can only nominate the bug for a release though, so the tag is always good | 21:25 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah I'll do it (adda review) this week | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | #action tonyb to push up his initial script for scraping backport potential bugs | 21:25 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:25 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:25 | |
| mriedem | i had one thing | 21:25 |
| mriedem | (mriedem): Do we want/need a summit session? I figure there will at least be some overlap with the release and QA teams on how long to keep stable/liberty. | 21:25 |
| mriedem | now that i look at the releases docs though, liberty is marked as Current stable release, security-supported (EOL: 2016-11-17) | 21:26 |
| rockyg | I'd love a summit session. Get more people aware, up to date, etc. | 21:26 |
| mriedem | which is just ~6 months after kilo eol | 21:26 |
| bknudson | how many times can we have the same discussion at the sumit? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | rockyg: well, there are at least 2 talk proposals related to stable branch maint | 21:26 |
| tonyb | bknudson: the landscape is changing so I think it's a good idea | 21:26 |
| bknudson | maybe operators that love using past-eol branches will step up | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I'd be in favor of it but it'll be hard to get the right people in the room (read PTL/CPLs) | 21:27 |
| rockyg | New project. If we get people, we could make new policies....like extending liberty if there are hands to make it happen. and mriedem, Oh. Okay. | 21:27 |
| mriedem | well, so far no one new has really stepped up to help out with stable | 21:27 |
| mriedem | tonyb: yeah, i need to chat with dhellmann | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mriedem: really (2 talks?) /me will be interested in them | 21:27 |
| rockyg | The one guy I've got is supposed to help with keeping stable more current/working longer | 21:28 |
| mriedem | tonyb: well, they are sort of similar | 21:28 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I think sneek it into release/cross-project but I think there shoudl be 45mins to focus on it ... | 21:28 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:28 |
| mriedem | yeah, i do see value in re-assessing the support timeline on stable/liberty | 21:28 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to talk to dhellmann about cross-project discussion for stable/liberty timeline | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | ok, tonyb you had something for open discussion? | 21:29 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah | 21:29 |
| rockyg | I also brought up the topic in prod-wg. Got them up to speed on what ops want/need and how to help. | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : seems reasonable as a cross-project session topic, when the tc starts putting that list together | 21:29 |
| tonyb | So we all knwo the bug-smash is comming up | 21:29 |
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| tonyb | my focus is going to be on addressing stuff that's appropriate for stabel but isn't backported | 21:30 |
| tonyb | I have 3 bugs for nova. | 21:30 |
| tonyb | I wanted to check a coupel of things | 21:30 |
| tonyb | 1) is that actually helpful? | 21:30 |
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| * mriedem waits for #2 | 21:31 | |
| mriedem | when is the great bug smash happening again? | 21:31 |
| tonyb | 2) assuming yes do others want to drop me a list of appropriate bugs to look at | 21:31 |
| mriedem | well for stable it's just a matter of backporting the fixes and reviewing them, right? | 21:31 |
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| tonyb | the bug-smash is a bit of a crap-shoot so I can't make promises but I was hopign to get some attention on stable/liberty befoer we go into phase II support | 21:32 |
| mriedem | in general i think it would be helpful to have a concerted effort to review backports for a given project/release and flush them through | 21:32 |
| tonyb | mriedem: 7-9March | 21:32 |
| mriedem | like this week for stable/liberty | 21:32 |
| mriedem | ok, so next week | 21:33 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah. | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | i sort of view this as the stable branch liaisons for each project should be driving this kind of thing | 21:33 |
| tonyb | I was thinkign that master will be pretty much closed to anything that isn't a release blocker but stable would be a little more open | 21:33 |
| rockyg | I think you can distribute bugs to get fixed to some of the etherpads that look like matches. Like china is nova and neutron | 21:34 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I was hopign that a few of them would read this :) | 21:34 |
| rockyg | Then, just be ready to review quickly. | 21:34 |
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| tonyb | rockyg: yeah that's pretty much the point | 21:34 |
| mriedem | tonyb: so as a run up to next week, are you thinking about running your script on a bunch of projects and posting the results in an etherpad or something? | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Master will be closed for Mitaka, but open for new bugfixes. Might be good to review all fixed bugs that happen during smash and add Backport potential to the ones that should. Review nightly? | 21:35 |
| tonyb | mriedem: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-Bugs | 21:36 |
| tonyb | that has the nova/liberty stuff | 21:36 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I can do it for cinder/neutron as well | 21:36 |
| mriedem | and keystone, and glance... | 21:37 |
| tonyb | mriedem: the "challenge" (that you pointed out before) si that we don't fir sure have cores in thos projects on board (yet) | 21:37 |
| tonyb | but at least for nova we have me, mikal and (hopefully you) | 21:37 |
| bknudson | there's no bugs in keystone | 21:37 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Sure | 21:37 |
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| bknudson | we need people to do reviews not post more patches | 21:37 |
| tonyb | bknudson: I'll just run my script ..... | 21:37 |
| jokke_ | tonyb: I'm glance and I will be working again from tomorrow onwards so I will be way more available | 21:38 |
| tonyb | bknudson: I hear that. | 21:38 |
| mriedem | i can see value in at least putting bugs in the etherpad for people to do the backports, | 21:38 |
| rockyg | The China folks have recruited heavily for cores for the areas they are targetting | 21:38 |
| tonyb | jokke_: is that something (liberty backports) you're interested in? | 21:39 |
| jokke_ | I had unexpected month of holidays that bit broke the plans for the start of this year :P | 21:39 |
| mriedem | but there is maybe a separate push for the stable team / CPLs to actually review them | 21:39 |
| jokke_ | tonyb: as stable liaison for glance, yes backports are definitely in my interest | 21:39 |
| tonyb | jokke_: okay. | 21:39 |
| tonyb | jokke_: Thanks. | 21:39 |
| jokke_ | tonyb: no no, thank you! ;) | 21:39 |
| rockyg | mriedem, ++ for the backports in the etherpads. Especially if the bug is already on the ehterpad and it gets fixed. | 21:40 |
| tonyb | Frankly I'm tryign to turn the bug-smash into somethign *helpful*. I really don't want to distract | 21:40 |
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| tonyb | bknudson: this keystone bug is tagg with librty-potential but no patch has been proposed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1525250 | 21:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1525250 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Failure when federated user name contains non ascii characters" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: i think that's fine | 21:41 |
| tonyb | bknudson: so for keystone it's the only one | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | honestly we probably don't have the tag on a lot of bugs, | 21:42 |
| mriedem | bugs that are reported in kilo or liberty, but fixed in mitaka | 21:42 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah that was my feeling. | 21:42 |
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| mriedem | but someone could report it in the liberty timeframe and be using juno | 21:42 |
| mriedem | idk | 21:42 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: Hmm I wonder how I could find those .... | 21:42 |
| mriedem | i think that's pretty hard given ^ scenario | 21:42 |
| mriedem | we see that a lot in nova bugs | 21:42 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah. | 21:42 |
| mriedem | could be reported in december of 2015 but they are using juno or kilo | 21:43 |
| rockyg | mriedem, yeah. Maybe put a note in bold above the list of bugs on each etherpad to check whether the bug getting fixed should be backported? A reminder when they change the status on the etherpad. | 21:43 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah I could look for *juno* or *kilo* in comment0 but I think that'd be messy | 21:44 |
| mriedem | tonyb: i don't really think it's worth it | 21:44 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: okay. | 21:44 |
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| mriedem | i think teams just have to be on top of tagging things if they seem valid for backporting, like what ihar has been doing in neutron | 21:44 |
| tonyb | mriedem: now that I have the ground work playign isn't too hard | 21:45 |
| tonyb | +1 neutron is doign great there. did they start doign frequent releases? | 21:45 |
| mriedem | more frequent yes | 21:45 |
| rockyg | which is also great | 21:45 |
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| mriedem | assuming they aren't backporting regressions or bugs, but that's hard to know :) | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Uh, yeah ;-) | 21:46 |
| tonyb | mriedem: :) | 21:46 |
| mriedem | anyway, i don't really have anything else for this topic | 21:47 |
| rockyg | I've got a topic.... | 21:47 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:47 |
| rockyg | Prod_wg is working on a "user_story" for longer lasting stable releases. In fact, I'm writing a good bit about it. I'll cc you guys when I get the next draft. It's RST in gerrit | 21:48 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:48 |
| rockyg | I'm trying to dovetail some needs/desires on the user community side with reality. And get more people dedicated (at least part time) to this team. | 21:49 |
| tonyb | rockyg: cool. | 21:49 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming user in this case is more operator/deployer than actual cloud user | 21:49 |
| rockyg | So, this is an FYI at the moment, but if you see yourself cc'ed on a review, please review? | 21:50 |
| bknudson | it's also infra that has concerns about supporting stable longer | 21:50 |
| mriedem | bknudson: yeah, and QA | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Yeah. The HW needed to support it | 21:50 |
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| mriedem | that's why it's generally 4 teams when talking about timelines | 21:50 |
| mriedem | stable, release, QA and infra | 21:50 |
| mriedem | b/c tempest changes are tested on all branches too | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Ain't that fun;-) | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Yeah. And the tempest changes propagating to stable is an interesting thing. | 21:51 |
| mriedem | well, tempest is branchless | 21:52 |
| rockyg | Although tempest does get a tag at about the time of each release | 21:52 |
| mriedem | so it has to make sure that tempest master works with stable service APIs | 21:52 |
| mriedem | and you can't drop things or add things to tempest that would fail on stable | 21:52 |
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| rockyg | Yeah, but the branchless doesn't work so well for DefCore/Refstack | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | why? | 21:53 |
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| rockyg | Because tests change that are not backward compatible. | 21:53 |
| mriedem | for like an icehouse cloud? | 21:53 |
| rockyg | Like all "extra options" were turned off for Kilo, but Juno still can use them. So Juno tests fail. | 21:53 |
| rockyg | That's nova stuff. | 21:54 |
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| mriedem | i guess i'd need specific examples/details | 21:54 |
| mriedem | which we don't have time to get into here | 21:54 |
| mriedem | is this in the review or in the ML? | 21:54 |
| rockyg | But, other tests had bugs, so you have to pick and choose git IDs to find the "just right" version where bugs are fixed but tests still work. | 21:55 |
| rockyg | It's in the DefCore mailing list. | 21:55 |
| rockyg | And in the DefCore meeting minutes. | 21:55 |
| mriedem | ok, neither of which are things i've been privy too yet | 21:56 |
| mriedem | so a link to the ML would be helpful | 21:56 |
| rockyg | I can get you the thread. Just not before the end of the meeting;-) | 21:56 |
| rockyg | Is there an IRC channel for this group? | 21:56 |
| rockyg | I can post it there. | 21:56 |
| tonyb | #opensatck-stable | 21:56 |
| jokke_ | rockyg: #openstack-stable | 21:56 |
| rockyg | Thanks. I'll add it to my "favorites. | 21:56 |
| tonyb | rockyg: only without typos :) | 21:56 |
| mriedem | ok, with that, let's wrap this up | 21:57 |
| mriedem | anything else for 3 minutes left | 21:57 |
| mriedem | ? | 21:57 |
| tonyb | mriedem: not from me | 21:57 |
| mriedem | ok, i'm assuming you're speaking for everyone too | 21:57 |
| jokke_ | :) | 21:57 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:57 |
| jokke_ | thanks all | 21:57 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
| rockyg | I've talked enough! | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 21:57:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-29-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-29-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-29-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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| tonyb | Thanks mriedem | 21:57 |
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