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| SamYaple | #startmeeting kolla | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 30 16:34:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SamYaple. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | #rollcall | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | ^ | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | o/ | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | thanks rhallisey | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, I can't set it copy paste that | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | #topic rollcall | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:35 | |
| rhallisey | cool | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | hi! | 16:35 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | because I have started teh meeting I am the only one who can change topic? | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | ya | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | ok we will give a few for the meeting for people to join | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | nihilifer: ping | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | hello ajafo | 16:37 |
| ajafo | hi | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | 0/ | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | \o/ | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | Just forgot. | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | sorry. | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | no problem | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | waiting until 16:40 for rollcall | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | #topic binary-ubuntu | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "binary-ubuntu (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:40 | |
| SamYaple | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/binary-ubuntu | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | So on this topic, ajafo has been doing alot of work to add in binary support for ubuntu | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | on the ML it was pointed out that canonical is attempting to do newer packages in the mitaka-staging repo | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | that repo however, only has some mitaka packages and some liberty packages | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | that has been my experince with cloud-archive from the beginning, half complete-ness | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | because of that at least for now, I would suggest _not_ switching to the staging repo | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | this means the original plan would stick in place of using liberty packages until mitaka is actually released | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | thoughts? | 16:42 |
| Jeffrey4l | agreed. | 16:42 |
| ajafo | at this moment imho it's right way | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | I saw nova 13.0.0 is updated few hours ago. we are told the mitaka staging will prepared in one week after the new year. So we can switch to that after that. | 16:43 |
| SamYaple | well you are doing most of the work ajafo, so I will trust your opinion here. as Jeffrey4l we can always change later | 16:43 |
| SamYaple | ajafo: do you have anything you would like to add on the subject of binary-ubuntu? | 16:44 |
| ajafo | nothing else only sorry @all for my first commit and lots of mistakes at the beginning | 16:44 |
| ajafo | now should be better | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | no need to apologies. it was a good commit! just large | 16:44 |
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| SamYaple | thank you for your work, it is appreciated | 16:44 |
| ajafo | thanks | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | #topic kolla ansible docker module | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kolla ansible docker module (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:45 | |
| SamYaple | this will be short since it has been discussed before | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | the docker module is ready for review | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248812/ | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | it allows us to remove the docker 1.8.2 and docker-py 1.5.0 pinning and move on | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | please all eyes are useful on that patch because it is a major change for kolla-ansible | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | any questions or concerns on this subject? | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | none | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | no | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | wonderful, moving on | 16:47 |
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| SamYaple | #topic ssl all the things | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ssl all the things (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:47 | |
| SamYaple | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ssl-kolla | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | This is a new blueprint i created with the goal to turn all of the interprocess traffic into ssl encrypted traffic for kolla | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | excellent | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | this was discussed at the last midcycle and there were no objections, just some questions about performance | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | as far as I can tell there are no performance issues on modern hardware | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | with the exception being rabbitmq ssl intercommunication is... tricky | 16:48 |
| inc0 | well security > performance in business really | 16:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. SSL should be used everywhere for security. | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | my idea for how to proceed on this is as follows, please tell me if this approach is flawed: | 16:49 |
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| inc0 | and since performance hit is almost non-existent, for me it's no-brainer | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | we need to generate certs internally for kolla to use. it is not practical to tie into an external CA at this time | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | we can generate a CA and then sign on the other certs and distrubute that self-signed trusted CA to all the nodes and services | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | this means all the internal communication is signed and trusted, but its all self-signed | 16:50 |
| inc0 | let's make this optional and allow people to put their own certs plz | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | inc0: thats not practical was my point | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | we need to generate certs _per_ _node_ | 16:50 |
| inc0 | I'm thinking about situations where people already have certs deployed | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | the external communication through haproxy would have a cert of the users choosing (either provided or self-signed) | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | but do people care about interprocess communication? or just external | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | my thoughts were it was just external communication that mattered and there they can provide the certs | 16:52 |
| inc0 | ok, if someone will want this optional, he/she can always implement it | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | SamYaple is right. Deploy only one cert to all service is not a good idea. | 16:52 |
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| SamYaple | inc0: thats fair, if it can be done reasonably | 16:52 |
| inc0 | it should, I'm not to worried | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | so the plan is generate CA and then sign certs based on that (generating a cert per node). | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | external haproxy can be provided by the deployer | 16:53 |
| ajafo | I don't know how it'll be realized but if by some kind of script it can be splited on part to generate and part to deploy certs, and then if someone have certs maybe he could be only deploy them by script? | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | ajafo: it may be possible to do that, ill put up a patchset, can you describe how to accomplish that based on the patchset? | 16:54 |
| ajafo | if no then we can ganerate certs to the same place and then deploy it the same way as external certs | 16:54 |
| ajafo | I can try | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | thank you. | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | ok thats all i have on this subject. other thoughts about ssl? | 16:55 |
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| Jeffrey4l | What the OPs need to provide? a CA? | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | Jeffrey4l: nothing. They will need to provide nothing by default | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | we can generate the CA and the certs (since this traffic never leaves the internal network) | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | I know this case. What about the "if someone will want this optional, he/she can always implement it" | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | don't we support custom the CA/certs? | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | i dont have a problem if someone provides a CA, its the matter of "how well does the code do it" | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | im trying to avoid bloated or bad code | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | i have a few ideas on the subject of how to do this, but i cant garuntee it works | 16:58 |
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| SamYaple | i can gaurantee that the kolla generated ca and certs will work | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | Great. wait for you PS. | 16:58 |
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| SamYaple | cool | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | anything else on ssl? | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | ok thats all i have | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | #topic open-discussion | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:59 | |
| SamYaple | who would like the floor? | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | at some point I'm going to try out kolla kube. Probably won't be until after the midcylce | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: cool. i feel like kolla-mesos and kolla-kube will be very similiar implemntations | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | are you planning on starting a kolla-kube repo? | 17:01 |
| rhallisey | ya | 17:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | Will kolla-mesos/kolla-kube be merged back into kolla code base? | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | Jeffrey4l: no | 17:01 |
| rhallisey | no | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | infact the plan is to pull out the ansible code | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | to kolla-ansible | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | kolla will be for building containers | 17:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. | 17:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | So where the ansible code go? | 17:02 |
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| SamYaple | kolla-ansible repo (has not been created yet) | 17:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | seeit. | 17:03 |
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| SamYaple | ok well everyone I do not have anything else today. Would we like to end early? | 17:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | yep | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | 1 minute until i end meeting unless i hear otherwise | 17:05 |
| rhallisey | got nothing | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | thanks for coming out everyone! | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | live long and kolla | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | #endmeeting | 17:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 30 17:06:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-30-16.34.html | 17:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-30-16.34.txt | 17:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-30-16.34.log.html | 17:06 |
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