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flaper87Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k14:00
flaper87Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting14:00
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flaper87Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat14:00
flaper87#startmeeting Glance14:00
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openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 14:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
nikhilo/14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
dshakhrayo/14:00
flaper87#chair rosmaita14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: flaper87 rosmaita14:00
rosmaitao/14:00
flaper87#chair nikhil14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: flaper87 nikhil rosmaita14:00
ativelkovo/14:00
flaper87just in case my connection drops14:00
avarnero/14:00
nikhilack14:01
rosmaitaok14:01
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flaper87#topic Agenda14:01
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kairato/14:01
flaper87#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:01
mfedosino/14:01
flaper87As usual, that's the place for our agenda. It's not very long and topics should be easy to go through14:01
sigmavirus24o/14:01
flaper87#topic Updates from other teams (flaper87)14:01
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flaper87Artifacts14:02
flaper87nikhil: ativelkov mfedosin14:02
ativelkovso, we have patches for moving v3 -> v0.1 waiting for review14:02
ativelkov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/move-v3-to-glare14:02
mfedosinspec about deprecating v3 api is merged14:02
flaper87w0000h000000014:03
mfedosinDarja made a patch for Glare client14:03
ativelkovglance patch has -1 from jenkins, but that's because of alembic gate issue14:03
sigmavirus24ativelkov: so we need a fix for alembic then too?14:03
flaper87I saw Darja's patch and asked to wait for the server-side of the work to land first14:03
kragnizo/14:03
sigmavirus24I don't think g-r is going to be blacklisting 0.8.414:03
ativelkovflaper87: yeah, it has a depends-on ref there14:04
sigmavirus24Has anyone looked at the nova patch to see what we can steal?14:04
flaper87I think mfedosin had a fix for that, right?14:04
flaper87ativelkov: ++14:04
ativelkovmfedosin was looking at it14:04
flaper87sigmavirus24: mfedosin was on top of that yday14:04
sigmavirus24lol14:04
flaper87we'll get to it14:04
sigmavirus24Nevermind14:04
flaper87lets stay on topic14:04
sigmavirus24Sorry14:04
* flaper87 hugs sigmavirus2414:04
flaper87ok, anything else?14:04
mfedosinit doesn't help14:04
ativelkovPublic API spec is also on review, waiting for some comments14:05
ativelkovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/254710/14:05
flaper87ativelkov: yeah, I'll bring that one up on the next drivers meeting14:05
mfedosinsize and virtual_size still don't pass if you are about model sync14:05
ativelkovAnd we wanted to have a voice/video call instead of the next artifact IRC meeting to discuss artifacts roadmap in more details14:06
flaper87That'd be on monday, right?14:06
flaper87I mean14:06
flaper87next monday14:06
* flaper87 knows the meeting happens on mondays14:06
ativelkovYup, but that's not final: nikhil promised to create some doodle to pick a slot convinient for all14:07
nikhilack14:07
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flaper87What about doing it the first week of January? I'll be around next monday but not the one after next14:07
flaper87That'd be, I'll be around on 21st but not on 2814:07
flaper87actually, I lied and my GF would kill me for saying I'll be around on the 21st14:08
ativelkov1st week of january is a holiday season in Russia. Unsure about my availability at that time14:08
flaper87:P14:08
nikhilI am fighting with my own schedule atm, but I hope that this happens on 21st14:08
nikhilhmm14:08
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rosmaitawhat time is the artifacts meeting?14:08
nikhilis tomorrow too early?14:08
flaper87What about an ad-hoc one on Tuesday?14:08
flaper87rosmaita: same as drivers14:08
flaper87I'll be around tomorrow14:09
nikhil1400UTC14:09
nikhilativelkov: do you think app catalog folks can join tomorrow?14:09
ativelkovnikhil: don't know. They have their IRC meeting later today, I can ask14:09
flaper87ok, lets take this offline and announce it properly on os-dev14:09
nikhilsg14:09
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flaper87I'd suggest direct IRC pings to organize this as a doodle might take more time for ppl to vote on14:10
flaper87ok, moving on14:10
flaper87Drivers updates:14:10
flaper87The deprecation for v3 landed14:10
rosmaita"removal of experimental api"14:11
flaper87There are a couple of other specs that are almost approved: 'in' operator and the image signing enhancements14:11
flaper87rosmaita: ++14:11
* flaper87 should have links handy14:11
flaper87sigmavirus24: I added you to the image signing spec. It'd be great to have your vote there14:11
sigmavirus24flaper87: will look at it :)14:12
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flaper87sigmavirus24: awesome, thanks! If you can do that today, that'd be even better. I'd like to merge it this week if possible14:12
flaper87and assuming everything is ok14:12
sigmavirus24flaper87: roger that14:12
ativelkovI wonder: the "removal of experimental api" does not say any details "the new home" of that API, i.e. glare v0.1. Do we need a new spec for that, or that one will work?14:12
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flaper87ativelkov: we can amend that one14:13
flaper87imho14:13
flaper87no need for a whole new spec, lets just edit the one that landed14:13
ativelkovok14:13
flaper87ok, am I missing something? any update from other drivers?14:13
flaper87(btw, we're working on finalizing the image import process spec, despite all the open questions there seem to be)14:14
rosmaitawhat flaper87 said14:14
ativelkovwhen is the spec freeze?14:14
flaper87ativelkov: on the 28th14:14
flaper87actually, LOL, I have that as a sub-topic14:14
flaper87T_T14:14
flaper87ok, on the week of the 28th, there'll be a spec freeze14:15
flaper87We'll be granting exceptions just for very special cases if there are any14:15
flaper87so, please, try to update your spec and reach out before the freeze14:15
flaper87:)14:15
nikhiland lite specs aren't included in the freeze14:16
nikhilright?14:16
flaper87nope14:16
nikhiljust adding to the info :)14:16
flaper87#info lite specs are not included in the spec freeze14:16
flaper87#info Spec Freeze is in the week of Dec 28th14:16
flaper87:D14:16
flaper87ok, moving on14:16
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flaper87Nova v1 -> v2 updates14:17
flaper87mfedosin:14:17
mfedosinhey14:17
mfedosinsorry, I'm working on it right now14:17
mfedosinI mean in this moment14:17
mfedosincreate and update is almost done14:17
flaper87shouldn't you be in a glance meeting? or something like that14:18
flaper87:P14:18
flaper87mfedosin: wait, remember that Cyril is doing create14:18
flaper87mfedosin: what about the xenserver plugin ?14:18
mfedosinthey are the same14:18
mfedosincreate and update14:18
flaper87mfedosin: gotcha, I'll try to ping cyril then14:18
mfedosinthey both use the same method _translate_to_glance14:18
mfedosinso all fixes are there14:18
mfedosinI'm afraid about copy-from14:19
mfedosinv2 doesn't support it14:19
flaper87mfedosin: mmh, I guess nova exposes it14:20
flaper87mfedosin: let's figure that out later. What about the xenserver plugin?14:20
mfedosinit means that we have to fix tempest tests14:20
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mfedosinI'm going to make xenplugin to use nova.image14:20
mfedosinI think it's the best solution14:21
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mfedosinwhen create and update for nova.image is done I'm going to start this14:21
flaper87mfedosin: awesome, if possible, make that a priority for the Nova v1->v2 work. Some folks in nova want to see that patch before moving the rest forward14:21
flaper87mfedosin: ++14:21
mfedosinbecause it's awful https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/plugins/xenserver/xenapi/etc/xapi.d/plugins/glance#L11714:22
flaper87it's HORRIBLE!14:22
* flaper87 suffered because of that14:22
flaper87mfedosin: I don't recall if I made it use nova.imges, to be honest14:22
flaper87I can lookup that patch14:22
flaper87ok, anything else?14:22
mfedosinnothing from my side14:23
flaper87ok14:23
flaper87#topic Holidays break (flaper87)14:23
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flaper87so, I think this will be our last meeting until 2016.14:23
* Steap did the create patch, gotta send it14:23
* Steap == Cyril14:23
flaper87Next week is Christmas eve and then new year's eve14:23
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flaper87mfedosin meet Steap14:24
flaper87so, unless someone thinks we should totally meet on either of those days, I'll send an email out notifying this14:24
rosmaita+1 not meeting14:24
mfedosinhi Steap!14:24
flaper87For communications, discussions, etc, you can use the mailing list14:25
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flaper87I'll be monitoring it and hopefully other folks will as well14:25
flaper87ok, no one screamed, I'll take that as a +1 for skipping the next 2 meetings14:25
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flaper87#topic glance_store drivers maintainers still required (flaper87)14:25
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flaper87#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258237/14:25
flaper87I started that patch based on what's in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-store-drivers-status14:26
flaper87#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-store-drivers-status14:26
flaper87There are 2 drivers without maintainers and, as per the last communication (damnit I don't have the link handy), those will be deprecated if no maintainers sign up14:26
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flaper87that being said, there's one more thing that came up while talking with folks from the swift team14:27
flaper87The maintainer of the swift driver (the main contact, at lesat) is someone from the Swift team, which is awesome14:27
flaper87However, in order to make this maintenance work better, we should find a way to join efforts. Get feedback from the swift team and provide knowledge from the glanc eside14:27
flaper87therefore, we started talking about joining efforts14:28
kairat_Are we going to skip 2 meetings?14:28
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flaper87That is, have a group that includes glance-core+swift-core and give that group permissions on glance_store/_drivers14:28
flaper87kairat_: yeah, we can talk about that again in the open discussion. We just switched topics14:28
flaper87I wanted to get your thoughts on that14:28
flaper87We can do thta for the cinder driver as well14:29
flaper87I think we'd all benefit from that and we'd also increase the quality (hopefully) of the driver14:29
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flaper87we don't need to create a whole new group, we can just give swift-core permissions on glance_store/_drivers14:29
flaper87erm, glance_store/_drivers/swift14:30
rosmaitasounds like a good idea to me14:30
kragnizcan we give permissions on a certain directory?14:30
flaper87kragniz: I believe we can, I need to double check14:30
kragnizI thought it was per-repo only14:30
mclarenI didn't realise you can give perms on specific directories, interesting14:30
* kragniz might have missed something in the new gerrit14:30
flaper87TBH, if we can't, I'd be even ok with giving them access on glance_store based on trust14:30
rosmaita+114:31
flaper87I don't think any swift core is interested in reviewing all glance_store patches :P14:31
flaper87anyway, if there are no objections, I'll proceed with the infra patches to make this happen14:31
flaper87(assuming we can give permissions on sub-dirs)14:31
kairatflaper87, sorry, it was a huuge lag because of my WI-FI connection14:32
flaper87otherwise, I'll just add the team14:32
flaper87kairat: no worries, I thought so. I have some pretty bad lag myself as well14:32
flaper87kairat: tl;dr: yes, we're skipping the next 2 meetings, we'll use openstack-dev to communicate as usual14:32
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flaper87ok, moving on14:32
flaper87#topic Reviews are slowing down (flaper87)14:33
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flaper87this is just a heads up14:33
flaper87I noticed reviewes are slowing down a bit, I guess this is because of the coming holidays14:33
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flaper87not big deal. However, I wanted to know if there's something I can do to help out there. Is the dashboard working for folks? Are you having issues to figure out what should be reviewed?14:33
flaper87if there's anything, review-wise, that can be improved, do let me know14:34
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flaper87ok, that's all I've got on this topic14:34
flaper87any comments? thoughts? concerns ?14:35
flaper87#topic Reviews & Bugs14:35
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flaper87I see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246971/ in the list14:35
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flaper87but it's getting enough reviews so, I'm confused on what needs to be raised there14:36
mclarenfwiw I was surprised by the example response there14:36
flaper87mclaren: haven't read it yet, I managed to get internet access 2mins before the meeting14:37
flaper87or at least a somewhat stable one14:37
mclarensure, just a heads up14:37
mclarenI may have been expecting the wrong thing14:37
flaper87I'll read for sure14:37
flaper87mclaren: btw, +1 for asking for an example, it helps clarifying the final intent14:38
rosmaitamclaren: i agree, this should not be a new response14:38
flaper87and it seems to have worked in this case14:38
rosmaita+114:38
flaper87ok, anything else?14:38
flaper87#topic Open Discussion14:39
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flaper87kairat: any issues you wanted to raise re skipping 2 meetings ?14:39
flaper87besides the fact that we'll skip 2 meetings14:39
kairatkairat, nope14:39
flaper87:P14:39
kairati have another questions14:39
* flaper87 likes when ppl talk to themselves14:39
flaper87:P14:39
flaper87shoot14:39
kairatI am trying to deploy glance under apache14:40
kairatAFAIU chunked requests are not part of WSGI spec14:40
kairatIt means that glance has troubles when deploying under different WSGI frameworks14:41
flaper87#info there won't be a christmas core cleanup... Talked to some of the ppl that would be elegible and they mentioned they'll get back to glance and they are still interested in contributing with reviews14:41
kairatAre we going to stay on eventlet for a long time because of this?14:41
flaper87I don't think there are plans of moving away from eventlet anytime soon14:41
flaper87that's one of the things we all hate but no one wants to fix14:41
flaper87It'd have to be a x-proj effort14:42
flaper87and a HUGE one14:42
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flaper87To some extent, I'd like to see glance becoming a pure wsgi app and not shipping any wsgi container14:42
flaper87but that's definitely material for N14:42
kairatflaper87, agree14:43
kairatJust raise awareness14:43
kairatthat we need to think about solution for that14:43
flaper87as soon as we have a name for N and we're past the spec freeze, It'd be lovely to see a spec proposed for N with this14:43
flaper87*hint *hint*14:43
flaper87:D14:43
kairatIt seems that only glance is using chunked requests14:43
mclarenswift?14:43
flaper87I know there are services that follow that pattern (Zaqar, hence my bias)14:44
kairatSwift may use it14:44
kairatbut I don't know14:44
kairatUsually we install OS with Ceph back-end14:44
flaper87right but there are many swift deployments out there14:44
flaper87anyway, this needs to be thoroughly thought but I'd love to explore the possibility of becoming a pure wsgi app14:44
flaper87not sure what others think, though14:45
flaper87:D14:45
flaper87ok, anything else?14:45
kairatnope14:45
flaper87ok, in that case, I'll take the chance to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy new year!14:45
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flaper87See you all in 2016, have fun, misbehave because behaving is boring14:46
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kragnizyou too!14:46
kairatThanks!14:46
mclarenthanks, right-back-atcha!14:46
flaper87kragniz: misbehaving? OF COURSE! :D14:46
flaper87kairat: you know me already14:46
flaper87:P14:46
rosmaitadoes anyone know what web browser the new gerrit interface is optimized for?14:46
flaper87erm, kragniz ^14:46
flaper87rosmaita: mmh, no idea, I've been using chrome14:47
flaper87lately14:47
kragnizrosmaita: works fine under chromium for me14:47
rosmaitai will have to try that, it's pretty bad in firefox14:47
flaper87:(14:47
mclarenthe image import spec may test it to its limit14:47
flaper87thanks everyone! Have fun!14:47
flaper87mclaren: LOL14:48
flaper87#endmeeting14:48
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odyssey4me#startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting16:01
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openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 16:01:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting'16:01
mattt\o16:01
odyssey4me#topic Agenda & rollcall16:01
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oneswig\o16:02
Sam-I-Amyo16:02
Sam-I-Amin two meetings at once16:02
palendaeo/16:02
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cloudnullo/16:05
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cloudnullthough only 1/2 here...16:05
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odyssey4me#topic Mid-Cycle Meetup16:06
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odyssey4meI owe everyone an update.16:07
Sam-I-Amyep16:07
odyssey4meThe majority response on the ML when asked about location gave a response that they either would prefer the UK, or don't mind if it's in the US or UK.16:07
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odyssey4meWe have also been offered co-location of the mid-cycle at the Ops meetup in Manchester in mind-Feb.16:07
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odyssey4meI've suggested that we have some sessions dotted in between the Ops meetup, but that we largely would prefer to attend the Ops sessions to learn from them.16:08
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odyssey4meBasically I have general agreement from the Ops meetup that we'll have a few sessions in the Ops mid cycle, but that we'll have a full day immediately afterwards.16:09
mhaydennice16:09
odyssey4meThe day after that is AnsibleFest in London.16:09
oneswigsounds good to me16:09
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odyssey4meSo basically it's Mon-Tue (Ops plus a sprinkle of OSA), Wed (OSA), Thu (AnsibleFest)16:09
odyssey4meFri - go home broken16:10
odyssey4me:p16:10
Sam-I-Amlol16:10
Sam-I-Ammakes it easier to plan a long trip16:10
javeriak_late to the party, but hey folks16:10
Sam-I-Amops only for 2 days overseas is a bit rough for USers16:10
odyssey4meo/ javeriak_16:10
Sam-I-Amor even o-a for a day16:10
palendaeSam-I-Am: Well, it's the reverse usually for non-USers16:10
palendaeSo evens out16:10
palendaeBut yeah, a packed week is an easier argument16:10
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odyssey4meGiven the situation that AnsibleFest is in London on Thu, it may be better for us to have our full day session at the Rackspace offices in Hayes, London.16:11
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odyssey4meInitially I was thinking of doing it in Manchester, but it may make more sense to do it on London. I'd like everyone's thoughts on what they'd prefer.16:11
mhaydenwhat's the travel like between manchester <-> London16:12
palendaeI'll abstain since I'm not sure I'll be able to go16:12
odyssey4meMan <-> Lon is 4 hours by car or train, or ~1 hr by plane16:12
oneswigIf it's in London, not an early start as the Manchester OpenStack meetup is also that Tuesday night and I'd like to attend that too16:12
mhaydenodyssey4me: thanks -- gotta brush up on my UK geography16:13
mhaydenodyssey4me: not sure if i can swing travel, but your plan sounds good16:13
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odyssey4meoneswig oh, is there a Tue night party?16:14
oneswigAFAIK16:14
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oneswigBTW Manchester-London more like 2.5-3 hours train, station-to-station, obviously way more door-to-door16:14
odyssey4mewell, I think I'd rather be late for AnsibleFest than for a day of hacking with you all :)16:15
mhaydentrain fares look about 20-40 GBP between manchester/london, not bad16:15
odyssey4meoneswig quite right, I think my 4 hours is from where I live door-to-door16:16
oneswigIs there a venue readily available in Manchester?  Otherwise it's a one-horse race anyway16:17
odyssey4meoneswig I haven't confirmed availability. So far I've checked costs and verified that Rackspace is happy to cover those.16:17
odyssey4meThe location being the same place as the Ops meetup. I've found a room I think will be perfect - projected screen and it can be setup as a boardroom so that we can hack together, but also throw a screen up if need be.16:18
odyssey4mecloudnull ping?16:18
odyssey4mejaveriak_ thoughts?16:19
odyssey4memattt thoughts?16:19
odyssey4mehughsaunders andymccr ?16:19
matttthoughts on location?  :)16:20
odyssey4meyep16:20
javeriak_hmm.. thinking, not sure i can swing travel then too; but it sounds good generally. So would everyone leave for London tues evening after the Ops sessions wind up16:20
matttseems logical doing it in manchester16:20
odyssey4memattt are you going to the Ops meetup?16:21
odyssey4mejaveriak_ Are you making it to the Ops meetup?16:21
matttodyssey4me: i haven't confirmed yet16:21
javeriak_and i've lived in London, so I'm slightly more inclined towards that option as well :)16:21
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javeriak_If I'm traveling to UK then, I'd like to try to attend Ops too16:22
matttodyssey4me: would we need to pay for the room in manchester?  presumably yes right?16:22
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odyssey4memattt yep, but we have sponsorship from Rackspace for the room16:23
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matttodyssey4me: all depends on how many people from ops summit are able to attend, if a large number then it may be cheaper to stay in manchester especially without the added cost16:24
mattt(of travel)16:24
odyssey4memattt sure, but the primary focus for our focused day is for contributors and for work we decide to do... it's not really for newcomers16:25
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odyssey4methe sessions we do in between the Ops sessions can be more open16:25
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matttodyssey4me: then i'd imagine london is more suitable, since a # of us are based there16:25
odyssey4methat's not to say that newcomers aren't welcome, but it's just to say that we need to knuckle down and get our hands dirty :)16:26
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matttjaveriak_: would be great if you can make it!16:26
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palendaeodyssey4me: dolphm was telling me there are some Intel folks that are looking at getting into OSA, I'll try to point them at the discussion16:27
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odyssey4mepalendae great!16:27
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odyssey4meok, so no major preference from anyone - but the venue in London might be more suitable overall16:28
odyssey4melet me find out if the venue in Manchester even has the room I'd like available, then I'll feed back to the ML16:28
matttsounds good16:28
oneswigMy only preference is that if I get to Hayes by 12, it's not winding up...16:29
odyssey4meif anyone has any further thoughts, concerns or preferences, please respond on the ML16:29
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odyssey4meoneswig nope, if you do end up being late then you can jump into whatever sessions are still going16:29
javeriak_thanks mattt; just need to see what work & projects are like around then, and if i can be spared16:29
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cloudnullodyssey4me: pong16:30
cloudnullsorry was afk16:30
odyssey4mecloudnull check backscroll :)16:30
odyssey4mecloudnull any thoughts before we move on?16:32
cloudnullnope16:32
cloudnullin the UK is good by me16:32
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odyssey4melol, so no preference between Manchester and Hayes for the dedicated OSA day between the Ops meetup and AnsibleFest?16:33
palendaewhi?16:35
palendaeWhoops16:35
odyssey4meok, we need to move on to the next topic16:35
odyssey4me#topic Release Planning and Decisions16:35
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hughsaundersI would vote London16:35
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odyssey4methanks hughsaunders16:36
odyssey4meif you could prod andymccr for a vote, assuming he's in the office, then that'd be good :)16:36
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hughsaundersansiblefest is in London, so people can come to both16:36
andymccri vote London16:36
andymccr^ that16:36
matttandymccr voted berlin :(16:36
odyssey4mehahaha16:36
odyssey4mealright, then we have a clear preference - I'll arrange accordingly16:37
odyssey4meright, on to release items16:37
andymccrberlin would be quite cool never been16:37
odyssey4mewe have two releases schedule for today/tomorrow: 12.0.3 (Liberty) and 11.2.7 (Kilo)16:37
odyssey4me#link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.2.716:38
odyssey4me#link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/12.0.316:38
Prithivhave anyone tried the new flowclassifier patch16:38
odyssey4meIs anyone aware of any release blockers for those?16:38
palendaeI am not16:39
odyssey4mePrithiv ?16:39
matttnot i16:39
Prithivyes16:39
d34dh0r53nor i16:39
odyssey4mePrithiv was that a question mentioned for this meeting?16:40
Prithivnope...16:40
odyssey4me:)16:40
Prithivam just trying it out now.. was wondering is there anyone who have tried16:40
odyssey4meAlright, so given that there are no release blockers for those I'll organise the release.16:40
odyssey4me#action odyssey4me to release 11.2.7 and 12.0.316:41
odyssey4me#topic Holidays16:41
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odyssey4meI'd like to suggest that we suspend meetings until the second week of Jan.16:41
palendae+116:41
mhayden+116:41
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BjoernT+116:42
odyssey4meAnd also that our releases are suspended until two weeks after that (end of Jan), barring exceptional circumstances of course.16:42
javeriak_+216:42
hughsaunders+116:42
palendae+116:42
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d34dh0r53+116:42
odyssey4meWell, that settles it. :)16:42
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul is moving in very slow motion since roughly 13:30 UTC; the Infra team is investigating.16:42
d34dh0r53to both16:42
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palendaeI was gonna bring the meetings up if someone didn't :)16:42
palendaePretty sure a sizable percentage of my team will be gone at least 24 Dec16:43
mhaydenwe're having the OSA holiday party at mattt's house, right?16:43
odyssey4me#action everyone have a great holiday season, whether you're on holiday or not :)16:43
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andymccrso sweer16:44
andymccrsweet16:44
andymccr:D16:44
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hughsaundersawwww16:44
palendaeGet your telescopes from Aldi16:44
odyssey4me#topic Open Discussion16:44
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odyssey4meAnyone want to raise anything in particular?16:44
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oneswigIs there a roadmap for moving to Ansible 2?16:45
odyssey4meFYI to all, I'm on leave for the rest of the year. I am going to periodically check my email, so if you do need something from me then ping me via email.16:45
odyssey4meoneswig jmccrory has been doing some testing on it, and submitting a few patches I see16:46
oneswigI understand it may help with distro-abstraction, wonder when we could depend on it16:46
odyssey4mebut generally I think we're waiting until it releases before we dig into it16:46
d34dh0r53any ideas as to when it's going to be released?  I've only heard soon16:47
palendaed34dh0r53: I've not heard much since summit16:47
palendaehaven't explicitly looked either, though16:47
odyssey4meI heard a rumour that it was Jan, then moved back to Feb. Don't quote me on it though.16:47
palendaeYeah, it's been bumped quite a bit16:48
odyssey4meI think that, much like the next Ubuntu LTS, this will be a focal point for the next cycle... and not so much this cycle.16:48
palendaeYeah16:48
palendaeI assume 16.04 is in very early stages16:48
palendaeBut will be launching right around Summit time16:49
d34dh0r53so that begs the question, 16.04 is slated for N?16:49
palendaed34dh0r53: I think that's far, far more realistic than Mitaka16:49
odyssey4meUnless we get a lot more hands on deck, we don't really have the hands to complete our current objectives, and those16:49
palendaeBecause Mitaka closes out as 16.04 launches16:49
palendaeYeah, what odyssey4me said16:49
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logan-just dropping in to say happy holidays everyone. thanks a ton for the great work on OSA! it has made a huge difference in my work as an operator working to get OS into production and the OSA community, not just the code, has been a big part of my positive experience.16:49
d34dh0r53doesn't 14.04 go out of support then? so ~6 months on an unsupported distro?16:50
odyssey4me:) thanks logan-16:50
d34dh0r53happy holidays logan-16:50
palendaed34dh0r53: Since 16.04 isn't going to be ready until at least April 2016, I'm not sure we'll be able to settle on a 'stable' version of it til then anyway16:50
odyssey4med34dh0r53 nope it just switches to maintenance mode: http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life16:51
palendaeYeah, canonical's LTS pretty long16:51
odyssey4meie no hardware related patches16:51
palendaeSomething like 5 years16:51
palendaeI agree it's not great16:51
d34dh0r53ahh, cool16:51
palendaeBut even if we had tons of people, not sure we'd realistically get it in for Mitaka16:51
palendaeJust given the Ubuntu release windows vs OpenStack's16:51
d34dh0r53I agree that Mitaka is unrealistic, just wasn't sure about the state of things in the transition from Mitaka to N16:52
oneswigThe two releases will have differences for OSA.  Is there a mechanism in place for supporting both?16:52
palendaeoneswig: Was just wondering that too16:52
oneswigOr is that part of the multi-OS project?16:52
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odyssey4meyeah, the multi-OS work can provide the scaffolding for that16:52
palendaeMakes sense16:53
palendaeThe largest difference I know of will be upstart to systemd16:53
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palendaeBut I'm sure there's many small ones too16:53
oneswigfor sure16:53
odyssey4meeg: vars, templates or tasks per distro, distro-version, etc16:53
palendaeYeah, makes sense to roll that into multi-distro support16:53
palendaeAnd consider a version of a distro as an almost separate distro itself16:54
oneswigI would hope to reduce the vars per version to be the essence of any differences, avoiding duplication16:55
odyssey4meyep, we have a bit of that in the bootstrap-host role already.... it's been structured in a way that we can easily add another distro or distro-version16:55
odyssey4meoneswig, we the vars per distro/distro-version will largely be package lists16:56
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oneswigah ok16:56
odyssey4mewell, that's as far as I've seen so far :)16:56
odyssey4meI'm sure there are more surprises around the corner16:56
odyssey4mealright, I think that about wraps it up for today16:58
odyssey4methank you all for your time, and have a great time over the new year!16:58
odyssey4me#endmeeting16:59
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Cathy_#startmeeting service_chaining17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 17:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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Cathy_Hi mohankumar17:00
johnsomo/17:00
Cathy_hi johnsom17:00
pcarverhi17:00
Cathy_hi pcarver17:00
Cathy_hi everyone17:00
mohankumarHi Cathy_17:00
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s3wonghello17:01
Cathy_mohankumar: will vikram join today?17:02
Cathy_hi s3wong17:02
mohankumarCathy_ , not sure17:02
Cathy_OK let's start17:02
Prithivhello17:03
Cathy_I will give an update on the code testing status. I would also like to discuss when we merge the first patches of codes. any other topic you would like to discuss today17:03
Cathy_hi Prithiv17:03
Prithivjust wanted to know if anyone have tried the flow classifier17:03
Prithivgonna try from my end today...17:03
Cathy_Prithiv: there have been some fixes to FC just uploaded to fix some issues with FC17:04
Cathy_let me give an update on this17:04
Prithivyes... i saw that... just pulled those changes... running devstack now17:04
Prithivok17:04
Cathy_some patches have been updated for Flow Classifier, OVS Driver, Agent, DB etc. to incorporate quite some fixes to bugs we have found during our integration test starting 4 weeks ago including fix to support service chain that crosses subnets.17:05
Cathy_I hope everyone can download these updated patches and give it a quick sanity test17:06
mohankumarCathy_ , great !  setting up testing env may be i ll start testing from next wek17:07
Cathy_mohankumar: sure.17:08
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georgewanghi17:08
Cathy_I will update the wiki to post the install steps for incorporating these new patch updates.17:08
Cathy_georgewang: hi17:08
Prithivsure.. will provide an update17:09
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Cathy_If no big issue, I think we can merge these first patches so that we do not have the inter-dependency pain anymore. We can then start the normal bug filing and bug fix stage and try to get ready for code release at the Mitaka cycle.17:09
Cathy_does this make sense?17:09
pcarverCathy_: What's the top one or two that we want to merge first?17:10
pcarverI think we need to focus our reviewing efforts in the right order17:10
Cathy_So I think the merge sequence will be17:10
mohankumarpcarver +117:11
Cathy_FC API and DB, Port Chain API, DB, Common driver, OVS driver, OVS agent17:12
Cathy_We can merge the FC API and DB, Port Chain API, DB, Common driver first, and then OVS driver and OVS agent17:12
Cathy_We will update the prefix as Paul suggested before the merge.17:12
georgewangI think it is OK17:13
pcarverI think that list is still to long for focus. Is 233858 the first one? How about we ask everyone to get all reviews in and target merging that by next Monday or Tuesday17:13
georgewangthe code of fc api/sfc api/db/extensions/common driver are quite stable now17:13
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georgewangAnd we have fully unittest covers and make sure code in these changes are well tested17:14
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georgewangyes 233858 the first17:15
pcarverI don't know what everyone's vacation plans are, but I'd like us to pick one or maybe two of the patches to merge ASAP so that we can start cutting down on the number of long term open reviews17:15
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mohankumarCathy_ , why cli patch kept last in merging plan ?17:16
mohankumarhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/210008/17:16
georgewangagree pcarver's suggestion17:16
mohankumarit  much stable17:16
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pcarver+1 to mohankumar's question. The CLI patch seems like the thing that is easiest to see if it's correct17:16
georgewangif there is small changes needed, we can fixed it by a new small cl17:17
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pcarvergeorgewang +117:17
georgewangcathy cannot login the meeting now17:17
LouisFpcarver: are you chair?17:18
pcarverThe more we clear out the long open reviews the better17:18
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cathy__hi17:18
mohankumargeorgewang : okay17:18
LouisFhi17:18
cathy__sorry I got disconnected17:18
georgewangcli's change now is no dependency on other change I think17:19
cathy__pcarver: actually FC API and DB, Port Chain API, DB, Common driver have been open for comments for over 2 months and many updates have been done to incorporate comments. The codes are also quite stable and we have found few bugs during our last 4 weeks' testing.17:19
pcarverLouisF: I don't know if I can add myself as chair. I think the person who started the meeting needs to add17:19
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cathy__hi17:19
pcarvercathy__: I know. I was agreeing with georgewang's comment about opening new reviews if needed17:20
cathy__could everyone see my message?17:20
mohankumarcathy__ , yes17:20
pcarverIt's not necessary that a change be perfect, we can open a new review to fix. But we do want to make sure things have gotten a good look before merging. So if we narrow our focus and merge one or two easy things rather than spreading focus across all the open changes.17:21
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cathy__Do we have consensus that we will give FC API and DB patch, Port Chain API patch, DB, Common driver patch a final review by next Tuesday and then we will merge them?17:22
LouisFcathy__: +117:22
cathy__pcarver: agree. we can always file new review patch to fix bugs.17:22
georgewang+117:22
pcarvercathy__: I think that's too many. Depends on vacation plans of course, but I'd say we should try to merge one or two at most first.17:23
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cathy__We have had these patches open for review for too long.17:23
pcarverOtherwise people are still going to be splitting their attention and not focussing enough in depth.17:23
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LouisFpcarver: those patches have had a lot of reviews17:23
pcarvercathy__: I think it's because there are so many that they've been open so long. I keep looking at bits and pieces scattered across many.17:23
cathy__OK, then how about the two: FC API and DB, Port Chain API DB17:24
pcarvercathy__ +1 I agree17:24
cathy__let's concentrate on a final review of these two patches17:24
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mohankumarcathy__ , lgtm17:24
pcarverTo confirm, that's these two, right?17:25
pcarver#link https://review.openstack.org/23385817:25
pcarver#link https://review.openstack.org/22709817:25
cathy__so finish review by next Tuesday. Then everyone give +1 or +2 for merge if you are OK for merge.17:25
cathy__pcarver: yes17:26
Prithivyes17:26
Prithivis the wiki going to be updated ?17:26
cathy__s3wong: Prithiv johnsom OK with this plan?17:27
johnsomyes17:27
pcarverPrithiv: do you mena this install instructions or something else on the wiki?17:27
cathy__Prithiv: yes, wiki page will be updated for getting the latest patch update.17:27
Prithivyes17:27
Prithivinstruction17:27
Prithivi will review this patch ASAP...17:27
pcarverPrithiv: I've been updating the wiki page each time I try the install and find anything that doesn't quite work. I'd encourage everyone else to update the wiki page too if you find any discrepancies between your procedure and what's there.17:28
cathy__any other topic you would like to discuss?17:30
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pcarverCan you elaborate on https://review.openstack.org/24948817:31
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pcarvercathy__: There are a few comments on that change along the lines of "why is this needed"17:31
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cathy__pcarver: let me take a look17:32
pcarverI'm not really all that strong on Alembic so I'm looking to others to understand what's needed or what isn't, but the commit message on the change is really vague17:32
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cathy__pcarver: We will update the commit message to make it clearer.17:34
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cathy__These files are for generating DB migration files. So if there is a change, run these scripts, migration files will be automatically generated.17:38
cathy__if no more topic, then we can end the meeting now and go back to do the review, testing, bug finding, and fix:-)17:40
georgewangbye17:40
jwarendtbye17:40
mohankumarbye17:41
cathy__bye everyone. we will not have IRC meeting next Thursday.17:41
cathy__happy holiday!17:41
cathy__#endmeeting17:41
s3wongcathy__: you probably want to change your nic back to Cathy_ to end meeting :-)17:42
LouisFcathy__: need chanhe nick to cathy_17:42
cathy__s3wong: how to do that again?17:43
johnsomslash followed by nick17:43
s3wongslash nickj17:43
s3wongnick17:43
LouisFdo /nick newnick17:43
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cathy_#endmeeting17:44
s3wongCapital 'C'17:44
LouisFcathy_: its Cathy_17:44
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s3wongwhen you started the meeting, it was Cathy_17:44
Cathy_s3wong: LouisF johnsom thanks.17:45
Cathy_#endmeeting17:45
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