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| xichengc | #startmeeting Compass Weekly Meeting | 01:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 01:10:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xichengc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:10 |
| xichengc | #info | 01:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Compass Weekly Meeting)" | 01:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'compass_weekly_meeting' | 01:10 |
| May-meimei | #info meimei | 01:10 |
| kerwin | #info baigk | 01:10 |
| QiLiang | #info QL | 01:11 |
| wshao | #info weidong | 01:11 |
| qingyu | #info qingyu | 01:11 |
| chigang | #info chigang | 01:12 |
| chenshuai | #info chenshuai | 01:12 |
| xuhan | info xuhan | 01:12 |
| xuhan | #info xuhan | 01:12 |
| xichengc | #topic compass-core related code should be checked in to openstack/compass-core | 01:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "compass-core related code should be checked in to openstack/compass-core (Meeting topic: Compass Weekly Meeting)" | 01:12 | |
| xichengc | openstack/compass-core is up and all other branches/repositories should be out-dated | 01:13 |
| xichengc | please have future code changes checked in to openstack/compass-core master branch | 01:13 |
| chigang | xichengc: Is it finished? | 01:13 |
| xichengc | chigang yes | 01:14 |
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| xichengc | kerwin merged the branches last week | 01:14 |
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| chigang | Nice,I will change OPNFV repo to openstack/compass-core branch. | 01:14 |
| xichengc | Also the baigk/compass-web should be changed to openstack/compass-web as well. | 01:15 |
| chigang | Wanglei has some patches about compass-core/compass-web, I will let him merge to openstack/compass-core. | 01:16 |
| chigang | Wanglei is offline today | 01:16 |
| xichengc | #action all compass-core/compass-web related code will be submitted to openstack namespace under master branch | 01:16 |
| xichengc | thanks. | 01:16 |
| xichengc | if there's no further questions, we will proceed to the next topic | 01:17 |
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| xichengc | #topic Compass on CentOS7 | 01:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Compass on CentOS7 (Meeting topic: Compass Weekly Meeting)" | 01:18 | |
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| xichengc | we are working on installing compass on a CentOS7 host | 01:19 |
| xichengc | need to update install.sh, now it only works on CentOS-6.x | 01:19 |
| chigang | Centos 7.1? | 01:19 |
| kerwin | chigang: yes | 01:20 |
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| xichengc | chigang: I will work with kerwin on this. | 01:20 |
| xichengc | chigang: do you think it's necessary to write ansible script for installing compass on CentOS-7? | 01:21 |
| chigang | there is a patch about install ELK on compass base centos-6.x | 01:21 |
| xichengc | where's that patch? | 01:21 |
| xichengc | in openstack gerrit? | 01:21 |
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| chigang | not in gerrit, in local repo | 01:22 |
| xichengc | then we probably need to make it work on 7.1 now | 01:22 |
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| chigang | I know you are updating centos, so we kept it in local git repo | 01:22 |
| xichengc | wshao is planning to obsolete CentOS-6 | 01:22 |
| xichengc | or at least we should maintain one version? | 01:22 |
| chigang | yes , it need some work to update centos7 | 01:23 |
| chigang | I think it is no need maintain on centos 6.x | 01:23 |
| xichengc | I see. Then we should also switch compass.iso to centos-7 as well. | 01:24 |
| chigang | centos 6.x is too out-dated | 01:24 |
| chigang | right, it will make our ISO smaller | 01:24 |
| xichengc | that's great news. | 01:25 |
| xichengc | #action xichengc to update install.sh to install compass on centos-7 | 01:25 |
| xichengc | #action kerwin to switch iso from centos6 to centos7 | 01:26 |
| chigang | when will it be ready? | 01:26 |
| xichengc | I am aiming a week after Thanksgiving. | 01:26 |
| chigang | thanks | 01:26 |
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| xichengc | kerwin needs to travel, so it might take longer | 01:27 |
| chigang | travel for shopping? :) | 01:28 |
| xichengc | chigang any other comments on this topic? | 01:28 |
| xichengc | :) | 01:28 |
| kerwin | chigang: back to shanghai | 01:28 |
| xichengc | #topic update Compass-CI at Santa Clara lab | 01:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update Compass-CI at Santa Clara lab (Meeting topic: Compass Weekly Meeting)" | 01:29 | |
| xichengc | 1. wee need to replace some physical servers, the ones we have right now are too old | 01:29 |
| xichengc | 2. with Centos being the compass host now, many CI jobs need to be updated accordingly. | 01:30 |
| xichengc | I will take care of this with help from qingyu | 01:30 |
| xichengc | we might not be able to do much until "compass on centos-7" is successfully supported. | 01:30 |
| xichengc | #action xicheng to fix CI problems and update to CentOS-7 | 01:31 |
| xichengc | #action xichengc to fix CI problems and update to CentOS-7 | 01:31 |
| xichengc | #action qingyu to fix CI problems and update to CentOS-7 | 01:31 |
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| chigang | xichengc can we add some CI for Liberty-running and testing. | 01:31 |
| xichengc | chigang: you mean use cases for testing liberty? | 01:32 |
| chigang | reserve some pod for running liberty | 01:33 |
| chigang | reserve some PODs for running liberty | 01:33 |
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| xichengc | yes that should be fine. that's the CI May-meimei is working on. | 01:34 |
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| xichengc | The CI i am fixing is in another cluster for openstack/compass-core end to end test | 01:34 |
| xichengc | it's different from May-meimei's. | 01:34 |
| chigang | we plan to finish libery deployment at the end of this month, I want some PODs reserved for testing patch merge | 01:35 |
| xichengc | OK. | 01:35 |
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| xichengc | there should be no problem | 01:36 |
| chigang | nice | 01:36 |
| xichengc | #topic Compass-web driven deployment | 01:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Compass-web driven deployment (Meeting topic: Compass Weekly Meeting)" | 01:36 | |
| xichengc | We also need to be able to use compass-web UI to install openstack | 01:36 |
| xichengc | We have almost finished the work. | 01:37 |
| xichengc | Planning to get it done by next Monday/Tuesday. | 01:37 |
| chigang | which version? V2 , V2.5 or both? | 01:37 |
| xichengc | v2.5 | 01:37 |
| xichengc | but I think v2 should be OK as well without much extra work | 01:39 |
| xichengc | which version is wanglei working on?\ | 01:39 |
| chigang | v2.0 , so I think he needs some time to syn some patch. | 01:40 |
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| xichengc | OK. we have another guy He ming here. | 01:41 |
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| xichengc | He knows UI very well. If wang lei wants some discussion, he ming can join. | 01:41 |
| xichengc | #action xichengc and kerwin to make compass-web driven deployment work | 01:42 |
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| xichengc | we can wrap up about the US side. | 01:43 |
| xichengc | chigang any updates/questions from shanghai side? | 01:43 |
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| chigang | wait | 01:44 |
| chigang | #topic Openstack liberty and ONOS deployment | 01:45 |
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| chigang | #info Liberty has release, so we need support it in B-release, it is plan to finish it in next week. | 01:47 |
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| chigang | #info there are some jira about openstack and sdn config configuration to recheck. | 01:48 |
| chigang | #info we plan to finish it before Dec. 10 | 01:49 |
| xichengc | chigang: thanks for the updates. | 01:49 |
| chigang | that is all | 01:49 |
| chigang | thanks. | 01:50 |
| xichengc | chigang: we will reserve a pod for liberty task cases. | 01:50 |
| chigang | great | 01:51 |
| xichengc | Thank you everyone. | 01:52 |
| xichengc | #endmeeting | 01:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 01:52:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:52 |
| chigang | thank you all , bye | 01:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_weekly_meeting/2015/compass_weekly_meeting.2015-11-25-01.10.html | 01:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_weekly_meeting/2015/compass_weekly_meeting.2015-11-25-01.10.txt | 01:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_weekly_meeting/2015/compass_weekly_meeting.2015-11-25-01.10.log.html | 01:52 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 14:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| edleafe | hi | 14:01 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:01 |
| vtech | hi | 14:01 |
| vmahe_ | hi | 14:01 |
| bzhou | hi | 14:01 |
| seanmurphy | hi guys | 14:01 |
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| jwcroppe | hi | 14:01 |
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| acabot | our agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#11.2F25.2F2015 | 14:02 |
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| jed56 | hi | 14:02 |
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| dtardivel | Bonjour | 14:03 |
| alexstav_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| vincentfrancoise | Hi | 14:03 |
| ashavskiy | o/ | 14:03 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:03 |
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| alexchadin | o/ | 14:03 |
| ostroverkhov | o/ | 14:03 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:03 | |
| acabot | regarding the mid-cycle meetup, we have to wait for sballe for updates | 14:04 |
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| sballe | I am here | 14:04 |
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| sballe | sorry about that. | 14:04 |
| acabot | ho sorry | 14:04 |
| sballe | I haven't heard anything and I cannot get an answer so let's assume he cannot host it | 14:04 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: sounds good - do we want to pursue IBM - in Austin, TX? | 14:05 |
| sballe | acabot: I was doing something else and forgotto join on time :-) | 14:05 |
| acabot | ok so do we have an alternative in the same area ? | 14:05 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: +1- | 14:05 |
| sballe | definetly | 14:05 |
| sballe | Austin is awesome | 14:05 |
| sballe | especilly in the winter | 14:05 |
| acabot | Austin is not very easy for us regarding planes... | 14:06 |
| sballe | Boston is a problem in the winter because travel is unpredictable because if the weather | 14:06 |
| sballe | acabot: like Rennes for us ;-) | 14:06 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: I had preliminary discussions with my team and that should be possible, but I will confirm | 14:06 |
| acabot | sballe: ok | 14:06 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: the best option is to get to Heathrow and I believe there is a direct flight from there to AUS | 14:06 |
| jed56 | sballe : nice catch :) | 14:06 |
| sballe | acabot: CDG --> Boston --> Austin | 14:07 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: ok so lets confirm Austin next week ? | 14:07 |
| sballe | jed56: lol | 14:07 |
| seanmurphy | i think it’s unlikely that we would be able to attend a US-based f2f, unfortunately | 14:07 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: yes, will try - it's US holiday this week so quite empty, but I will have those discussions next week and hopefully have confirmation by week of 12/7 | 14:07 |
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| acabot | #action jwcroppe confirm availability for hosting the mid-cycle in Austin by 12/7 | 14:08 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: can we do it the week of Feb 2? | 14:09 |
| acabot | seanmurphy: we will use public etherpad during the meetup so you will be able to follow our discussions | 14:09 |
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| jwcroppe | sballe: I had that week and previous week as options | 14:09 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: Yeah I have some other travel tentatively planned for the week before in Portland. | 14:09 |
| acabot | we have a new wiki page related to Watcher architecture v2 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/WatcherArchitecturev2 | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: we can try the week of 2/2... Tue-Thurs | 14:10 |
| sballe | acabot: cool! | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: nice | 14:10 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: perfect. thx | 14:10 |
| acabot | its a draft | 14:10 |
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| acabot | and the diagram on top is our first diagram using Dia (thx vmahe for doing it) ;-) | 14:11 |
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| acabot | vmahe will soon push the source code in watcher doc and we will be able to review and update it | 14:11 |
| vmahe_ | right | 14:12 |
| jwcroppe | vmahe_: very nice | 14:12 |
| acabot | unfortunately we will have to update the diagram on the wiki manually for now | 14:12 |
| vmahe_ | you'll need to install Dia which is available on many systems | 14:12 |
| sballe | vmahe_: Great job! the diagram looks great | 14:12 |
| acabot | but its better than exporting it from ppt ;-) | 14:12 |
| sballe | acabot: +100 lol | 14:12 |
| jwcroppe | so v2 arch is our target arch for Mitaka? | 14:13 |
| vmahe_ | the drawback with Dia is that the source code of the diagram is XML and not easily readable | 14:13 |
| sballe | I really like v2! it is a much cleaner architecture | 14:13 |
| vmahe_ | but you can also draw sequence diagrams and class diagrams | 14:13 |
| vmahe_ | and this is what Nova team uses :-) | 14:14 |
| sballe | vmahe_: I am a big fan of sequemce diagram to explain the API interactions | 14:14 |
| vmahe_ | right, i'll work on it later | 14:14 |
| jed56 | sballe : vhmahe his also a big fan :) | 14:14 |
| sballe | :0 | 14:15 |
| sballe | :0 | 14:15 |
| acabot | so of course, feel free to complete this new wiki page | 14:15 |
| sballe | ;) | 14:15 |
| jwcroppe | v2 arch = mitaka goal? | 14:15 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: yes | 14:15 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: cool - thx | 14:15 |
| edleafe | I'm a little confused on the diagram - where is the input from the monitoring/metering? | 14:15 |
| acabot | edleafe: the idea of putting this picture is just to give you an overview of the output of dia | 14:16 |
| acabot | edleafe: the diagram needs to be updated | 14:17 |
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| vmahe_ | yes, the diagram needs to be refined and a focus on the metering part must be done | 14:17 |
| edleafe | acabot: ah, thanks. Thought I needed more coffee or something :) | 14:17 |
| acabot | just to say "OK lets use this tool for our diagrams" | 14:17 |
| jwcroppe | edleafe: lol | 14:17 |
| jwcroppe | where is the dia source btw? | 14:17 |
| sballe | I think I need more coffee too | 14:17 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: will be in watcher doc folder today | 14:18 |
| jwcroppe | great, will look - in git? | 14:18 |
| acabot | before we review actions, just a quick reminder on code reviews | 14:18 |
| acabot | please use workflow -1 when your code is a work in progress | 14:19 |
| acabot | and do not review code when the workflow is set to -1 | 14:19 |
| acabot | #topic Review action items | 14:19 |
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| vmahe_ | jwcroppe: yes, the source code will be in some subfolder of watcher/doc | 14:19 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 14:20 |
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| sballe | +1 | 14:20 |
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| bzhou | +1 | 14:20 |
| acabot | ceilometer integration is now merged (specs and code) | 14:20 |
| edleafe | \o/ | 14:21 |
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| sballe | o/ | 14:21 |
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| sballe | This is a great step. thanks jed56 acabot dtardivel | 14:21 |
| sballe | and vincentfrancoise | 14:21 |
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| acabot | the code has been merged before the specs (sorry about that), we will do it in the right order next time ;-) | 14:22 |
| jwcroppe | yes - very good. yeah, need to follow process :) | 14:22 |
| sballe | acabot: no big deal this time | 14:22 |
| acabot | loading strategies is also merged | 14:22 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: migth disagree | 14:22 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:23 |
| acabot | ths to vincentfrancoise and jed56 | 14:23 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:23 |
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| acabot | there is a current review on the glossary https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246370/ | 14:23 |
| seanmurphy | can we have a one liner on what the ceilometer integration provides? | 14:23 |
| acabot | this is becoming really important because we need to do code refactoring when we will all agree on this glossary | 14:24 |
| bzhou | thanks b-com team. I am using the new code to setup my environment | 14:24 |
| acabot | seanmurphy: Ceilometer integration allows Watcher to collect metrics from Ceilometer instead of using its own metering chain | 14:25 |
| vmahe_ | yes, the glossary is important because we need to make sure everybody shares the same definitions of business objects regarding Watcher and names of the technical components | 14:25 |
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| jwcroppe | will review today | 14:26 |
| vmahe_ | we have renamed the ex "State DB" into a more comprehensive word "Cluster Data Model" | 14:26 |
| sballe | vmahe_: I will take another pass at it today | 14:26 |
| acabot | so if everybody can review the glossary before end of week it would be great | 14:26 |
| bzhou | why we use "cluster" not "cloud"? | 14:26 |
| seanmurphy | acabot: …and puts them in watcher db, right? with some further aggregation/processing, i guess… | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bzhou: because everything, including Watcher, is part of the cloud | 14:27 |
| vmahe_ | ok, I'm currently taking into account seanmurphy reviews | 14:27 |
| jed56 | seanmurphy : the metrics are stored into the ceilometer backend | 14:27 |
| seanmurphy | vmahe_: i will review the glossary - currently working on it | 14:28 |
| bzhou | edleafe: I thought cluster has a specific word and may imply some meaning to people | 14:28 |
| vmahe_ | bzhou : because "Cloud" is a too confusing word, it means a lot of things depending on who you talk to | 14:28 |
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| vmahe_ | we have defined the word "Cluster" in the Glossary | 14:28 |
| sballe | vmahe_: BTW so does Cluster | 14:28 |
| acabot | #action sballe jwcroppe edleafe seanmurphy bzhou alexstav_ acabot review the glossary #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246370/ | 14:29 |
| edleafe | bzhou: true, but it's impossible to find a word that doesn't have another meaning. That's why a glossary is helpful to learn what is meant within Watcher when we use it | 14:29 |
| acabot | edleafe: +1 | 14:30 |
| sballe | edleafe: to me as long as we agree on Cluster or Cloud and we define it in the glossary we should be fine | 14:30 |
| vmahe_ | I couldn't find an official word hich means an Openstack Controller + some Compute nodes. Is there anu ? | 14:30 |
| vmahe_ | any ? | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | sballe: of course, but we should always try to settle on the term that is less potentially confusing | 14:30 |
| brunograz | vmahe_: Compute cluster I guess | 14:30 |
| edleafe | sballe: "cloud" is so overused that most people won't understand | 14:31 |
| vmahe_ | and we don't intend to optimize the whole Cloud, right ? :-) | 14:31 |
| sballe | edleafe: so is Cluster because many places people are using Cloud and Cluster for the same ;-) | 14:31 |
| vmahe_ | we'll make the Cloud a better place (for those who know the "Silicon Valley serie" | 14:32 |
| sballe | vmahe_: The thing is that down the road I can see us optimize storage or the Datacenter | 14:32 |
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| sballe | We can use Cluster as long as it include storage | 14:32 |
| acabot | +1 | 14:33 |
| vmahe_ | sballe: yes, you're totally right. But today what we put in the Glossary is what is available in Watcher | 14:33 |
| sballe | Intel's interet is beyond the compute cluster | 14:33 |
| edleafe | sballe: http://dilbert.com/strip/2011-01-07 | 14:33 |
| vmahe_ | Once the Intel blueprints are implemented and merged, we can update the Glossary consequently, no ? | 14:34 |
| sballe | edleafe: love it lol | 14:34 |
| jed56 | lol | 14:34 |
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| sballe | Glossary will be hard to change once the project is going | 14:34 |
| sballe | I would like the Glossary to be a long term thing | 14:34 |
| vmahe_ | I'm not sure because the Glossary may sometimes be related to what features are in Watcher | 14:34 |
| vmahe_ | I will be a living document, like the devs, tests, specs, ... | 14:35 |
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| acabot | sballe: not sure we can fix long term definitions as the product will evolve, I think we should keep what's working in Watcher in the glossary and update it all the way | 14:36 |
| sballe | like I said as long as Cluster includes storage and is not a compute cluster I can be talked into using the word Cluster | 14:36 |
| sballe | acabot: ^^ | 14:36 |
| edleafe | just as long as we don't overload 'aggregate' any more than it is :) | 14:37 |
| acabot | sballe: ok lets continue the discussion on Gerrit ;-) | 14:37 |
| vmahe_ | ok, I'll add some words about the storage part in the glossary but note that today Watcher Applier does not control Cinder or Swift, only Nova | 14:37 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 14:37 |
| jed56 | acabot +1 | 14:37 |
| edleafe | acabot: yes, Gerrit comments are more useful | 14:37 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:37 |
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| acabot | as there are now many BP on launchpad, we should define series | 14:38 |
| acabot | to fix deadlines for BP | 14:38 |
| acabot | we can use the same series as other OpenStack projects like Mitaka-1, 2, 3 every 2 months | 14:39 |
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| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:39 |
| acabot | or use any other kind of versioning like 0.22, 0.22.1 | 14:39 |
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| acabot | do you want to stick to OpenStack versioning ? | 14:40 |
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| acabot | or you dont care... :-) | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | acabot: 0.22.0 0.22.1 are tags, reflecting adding new feature implementation | 14:42 |
| acabot | ok, we will use the OpenStack versioning for BP | 14:42 |
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| dtardivel | acabot: Mitaka-1, 2, 3 are targeted releases | 14:42 |
| acabot | #action acabot add series in launchpad with Mitaka-N model | 14:43 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | an we have to define which BP and bugs we want to target for each release I think | 14:43 |
| acabot | +1 | 14:43 |
| edleafe | dtardivel: that's true, but some projects release when the code is ready, while others follow a fixed release | 14:44 |
| edleafe | dtardivel: so the question is target dates vs. whenever ready | 14:44 |
| edleafe | for releases | 14:44 |
| jwcroppe | i think for where Watcher is now, we target whenever ready | 14:44 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:44 |
| bzhou | jwcroppe:+1 | 14:45 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:45 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: and we use only BP priority ? | 14:45 |
| acabot | for ordering | 14:45 |
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| acabot | Intel's BP needs to be split in 4 BPs, sballe am I right ? | 14:46 |
| sballe | yes bzhou is working on it | 14:47 |
| acabot | ok great thanks bzhou | 14:47 |
| sballe | bzhou: took this over from nishi and I | 14:47 |
| bzhou | sballe: got it | 14:47 |
| sballe | :-) | 14:47 |
| acabot | the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/well-defined-interfaces is probably to large and we also need to split it for each watcher component | 14:47 |
| sballe | bzhou: you are working with junjie on this right? | 14:48 |
| bzhou | sballe: yes | 14:48 |
| sballe | perfect thx | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | acabot: i can take that | 14:48 |
| acabot | ok, great | 14:48 |
| sballe | bzhou: and you guys are starting on the watcher-specs. right? | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | #action tpeoples split up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/well-defined-interfaces | 14:48 |
| acabot | #action split https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/well-defined-interfaces for each Watcher component | 14:48 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples split https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/well-defined-interfaces for each Watcher component | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | :) | 14:49 |
| acabot | #action bzhou split https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/nishi-ahuja-energy-efficienct-dc is 4 BPs | 14:49 |
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| acabot | we plan to add a BP to display a performance indicator to Watcher | 14:50 |
| acabot | I mean like "this actions plan will allows you to save 10%..." | 14:51 |
| jed56 | performance indicator regarding the goal we want to achieve | 14:51 |
| acabot | anyone from create-net today ? | 14:52 |
| acabot | last point, we should set a priority for this BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-add-actions-via-conf | 14:53 |
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| bzhou | sballe: yes, creating specs under watcher-specs. One question is that we may not be able to link more than one specs to one bp. But it's not a big deal anyway. | 14:54 |
| sballe | bzhou: do we need that BP for our q4 poc? | 14:54 |
| sballe | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-add-actions-via-conf | 14:54 |
| jwcroppe | spec<-->BP is 1-1 | 14:54 |
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| sballe | bzhou: that is why we are diciding up the big BP into 4 smaller ones | 14:55 |
| sballe | s/dividing | 14:55 |
| acabot | sballe: one thing you should keep in mind for your poc is that we dont apply actions today | 14:55 |
| acabot | sballe: you will get an actions plan from Watcher | 14:56 |
| bzhou | the watcher-add-actions-via-conf could help for our q4 poc, but as I know, currently it only use migrate meta-action | 14:56 |
| acabot | sballe: but we won't run the actions as its really "infrastructure" dependant | 14:56 |
| sballe | acabot: I agree and was going to write that but then had t fix some typos and you text came out first | 14:57 |
| acabot | sballe: ok | 14:57 |
| bzhou | acabot: so it means we only support advisory mode atm? | 14:57 |
| acabot | bzhou: yes | 14:57 |
| tpeoples | Do I need to write a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/devstack-plugin ? it won't be affecting anything public and shouldn't be changing the actual watcher code, so, seems like a candidate for a trivial spec | 14:58 |
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| acabot | tpeoples: not sure you need a spec for that | 14:58 |
| tpeoples | i don't think i do :P | 14:59 |
| acabot | you can start working on it, I will set it as started | 14:59 |
| bzhou | tpeoples: it's quite straightforward, so it's ok to just implement it:-) | 14:59 |
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| acabot | we are running out of time | 14:59 |
| jwcroppe | yeah, no spec needed for that | 14:59 |
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| acabot | open discussions on our channel if you like | 15:00 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: there aren't a number of ways to do that, so no spec is needed | 15:00 |
| acabot | thank you | 15:00 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| edleafe | thanks acabot | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 15:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| sballe | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-25-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-25-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-25-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jed56 | bye | 15:00 |
| Ng | #startmeeting vahana | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 15:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Ng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vahana' | 15:01 |
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| jasondotstar | Greetings | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
| Ng | Sorry, I didn't realise that was going to make me the chair :) | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | hehehe | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | no worries | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | go for it | 15:02 |
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| Ng | I think, for the purposes of future history, we might start with a quick introduction about what Vahana is? | 15:02 |
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| Ng | #topic Introduction | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:03 | |
| jasondotstar | sure | 15:03 |
| Ng | There might still be room for disagreement about what Vahana is, so this probably shouldn't be seen as set in stone :) | 15:03 |
| Ng | but we're building an iOS client for OpenStack, in the form of one or more frameworks for interacting with the OS API, and a front end app | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | There was an effort put together back in 2010 to achieve a similar goal, but it never took off as a mature project | 15:05 |
| Ng | (and the code hasn't changed for 4 years, making it a bit rough to use with current OpenStack) | 15:06 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:06 |
| Ng | so our intention is to start pretty much over | 15:06 |
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| Ng | also for the historians of the future, I think jasondotstar is leading this project, unless he objects strongly to that? | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | I don't object. | 15:07 |
| Ng | \o/ | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | excited to make the attempt to re-ignite what I believe is a valuable companion client for OpenStack Admins | 15:08 |
| Ng | jasondotstar: anything else on introduction stuff? or shall we move on? | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | nope, let's keep moving | 15:08 |
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| Ng | I was thinking we should talk a little about goals for the project and what we want the app to be capable of | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | sure | 15:09 |
| Ng | (and how we can test those ideas against what users actually want) | 15:09 |
| Ng | #topic Goals and Use Cases | 15:09 |
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| jasondotstar | this is probably a good time to share the etherpad link? | 15:09 |
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| Ng | good point! | 15:09 |
| Ng | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-mobile-ios-brainstorm | 15:09 |
| Ng | I have to admit that I am more interested in, and motivated by, the underlying framework stuff, than the visuals of the app, but if we're making both, it would seem to be sensible to make an app that is useful and compelling :) | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | agreed. I'm interested in both aspects, but I'm hoping that we get some app designer types to join us | 15:11 |
| Ng | we should probably have a long-term action to actively try to involve the UX folk, but it might be a little early for that | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | that way the under-the-hood guys can work on that exclusively..... | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:12 |
| Ng | #action someone to loop in UX folk | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | I have a couple of crude attempts to mockup UX but I'd rather see someone else with UX chops tackle that. | 15:13 |
| Ng | jasondotstar: what sort of vision do you have for the app itself? a nice interface to all the features of OpenStack, or more of a dashboard kinda thing? (or both) | 15:14 |
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| jasondotstar | I think the near term goal should be a dashboard view | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | b/c I think that most OpenStack admins would appreciate the ability to get a quick glance of what's going on in their OS deployments | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | then in an iterative way | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | we can add actionable features | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | for each of the components | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | starting w/ nova I'd say. | 15:16 |
| Ng | +1 | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | launching a VM, rebooting a VM, creating a new VM | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | simple rest API calls | 15:16 |
| Ng | #agreed early goal to be a simple dashboard view | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | i dont think console access is somethign we should tackle just yet.. | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | eventually we move through the core components | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | adding new networks via neutron | 15:17 |
| Ng | That has the potential to explode complexity in a lot of ways, and there are already very very good apps that just do VNC/SSH/etc, so we might want to look at their URL schemes, so we can do Open With... type functionality | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | adding storage, etc. etc. | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | +1 on open with... | 15:18 |
| Ng | #agreed console access is likely out of scope, when excellent third party apps exist for doing that, and have URL schemes | 15:18 |
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| jasondotstar | there's also the goal | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | of making the dashboard view skinnable | 15:19 |
| Ng | huh, talking of URL schemes makes me think that it might be nice if admins could share their current view with each other, so like you're looking at a problem machine and you can do a standard iOS share sheet to send a URL to your colleagues so they can jump straight to the same thing you're looking at | 15:19 |
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| jasondotstar | hmmm | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | interesting | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | I like that idea | 15:21 |
| Ng | since everything has a UUID, it shouldn't be super hard to make a vahana:// URL scheme that can express a location in an infrastructure | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:21 |
| Ng | as for the framework, I think my main goal there is that it grows into something that anyone working on some internal enterprise app, or a public cloud related app, can integrate the framework and easily interact with an OpenStack cloud | 15:23 |
| Ng | jasondotstar: I'm not really sure who we should be reaching out to to talk about what operators/tenants would actually like out of an app, so maybe we have an action item there - figure out who to talk to? | 15:24 |
| Ng | (I'm thinking someone at the foundation, they probably do the most centralised talking to operators at least) | 15:25 |
| Ng | maybe also some of the folk running large and/or public OpenStack instances? | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | yes | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | we should add that as an action item. | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | I think having a list of use cases and/or wish list would be valuable | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | one other thing I wanted to mention: perhaps the project is a set of iOS libraries that we release, as opposed to an actual app | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | Ng: re: large/public OS instances - yes, something to test against would be good | 15:26 |
| Ng | #action someone to figure out who we should talk to about identifying specific use cases | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | I can almost see someone using the libraries to create a *very* niche app | 15:27 |
| Ng | jasondotstar: I don't disagree, a single app is likely to be problematic, since many installations of OpenStack differ wildly in their features/versions/etc | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | right.... | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | we should look at considering the project as a collection of libraries and/or frameworks | 15:28 |
| Ng | #action someone to start talking to large/public OpenStack installs for testing and use-case-gathering | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | that might be more palpable to those who are simply going to take what we have and create something of their own | 15:28 |
| Ng | +1 | 15:29 |
| Ng | a framework of reusable UIView subclasses that use the API framework seems like it would be super useful | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | right | 15:30 |
| Ng | anything else on goals and use cases? | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | nope, great start I think. | 15:30 |
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| Ng | jasondotstar: any particular topic you'd like to do next? | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | let's see, we had a couple of questions on the etherpa | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | *etherpad | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | like how early should we start creating blueprints, specs, etc. | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | are we basically whiteboarding this out on etherpad until we nail down what direction we're taking | 15:33 |
| Ng | I think we're still at a whiteboarding stage, yes. I feel like I have a bunch more R&D to do on some core classes and project infrastructure before I'm ready to start proposing solid plans for work | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | or should we start with the end in mind as far as getting as much documented as we can | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | tjat | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | *that's my feeling as well. | 15:34 |
| Ng | #agreed we're still at whiteboarding/R&D stage, too early for blueprints/specs | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | the R&D we're currently doing.... | 15:35 |
| Ng | #topic Current R&D | 15:35 |
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| jasondotstar | we're both working using Swift as the pref. lang? | 15:35 |
| Ng | yep | 15:36 |
| Ng | I've been working on figuring out a sane way to have a core REST client class that I think most of the API framework will inherit from | 15:36 |
| Ng | currently using AlamoFire | 15:36 |
| Ng | my next intention is to figure out using GYP to generate .xcodeproj files | 15:36 |
| Ng | but there are so many fundamental tech decisions that we need to make :/ | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | yep | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps we start with evaluations | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | of different ways of delivering this work | 15:37 |
| Ng | the big one I have at the moment is how to handle the results of the asynchronous REST operations - the options being delegates, blocks, KVO or NSNotificationCenter | 15:37 |
| Ng | I'm currently running with blocks for no particularly good reason | 15:38 |
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| Ng | I think I want to have some NSNotificationCenter stuff too, so the API framework can emit things like "I have successfully authenticated", for apps to react to | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | KVO or observation is like the listener pattern | 15:40 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 re: NSNotificationCenter | 15:41 |
| Ng | #agreed API framework should send NSNotifications of important/relevant events | 15:41 |
| Ng | blocks feel like the more "modern Apple" way of doing it, but the modern hispter way would be to use ReactiveCocoa ;) | 15:42 |
| jasondotstar | hehehe | 15:43 |
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| jasondotstar | so is it worth it for us to evaluate a couple different ways to 'do things' | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps present the pros/cons | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | then agree on which way is best | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | sorta like how you arrived at using AlamoFire vs. NSHTTP | 15:44 |
| Ng | I don't think that would be a bad idea, but I'm not sure we'll know which is best until we get much higher up the stack and discover that <foo> turns out to be painful | 15:45 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:45 |
| Ng | I think the delegate pattern is probably unsuitable long-term, because you're going to end up with the same sort of mess that happens with UITableViewDelegate/DataSource, where each delegate method first has to figure out which of 18 different operations are being sent to it | 15:46 |
| jasondotstar | YES | 15:47 |
| Ng | and OpenStack has a *lot* more operations than UITableView ;) | 15:47 |
| Ng | jasondotstar: anything else on R&D progress? | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | what are you testing against, btw? | 15:49 |
| Ng | devstack | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | ok that's cool. | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | same here. | 15:49 |
| Ng | but at this stage I could honestly be testing against any URL that emits JSON ;) | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | that's true | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | ok that's it on R&D | 15:50 |
| jasondotstar | I think we can open the floor for general q&a | 15:50 |
| Ng | #topic Q&A | 15:50 |
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| jasondotstar | we've got about 10mins left | 15:50 |
| Ng | how are you finding Swift? :) | 15:51 |
| jasondotstar | I like it. it's very javascript like | 15:51 |
| Ng | I feel like I'm understanding more than half of the code that I'm writing, but by no means all | 15:51 |
| jasondotstar | but here's the thing | 15:51 |
| jasondotstar | I dont really like js. | 15:51 |
| jasondotstar | syntactically it's better than OBJ-c | 15:52 |
| Ng | there's certainly a lot more native syntax to deal with | 15:52 |
| jasondotstar | yeah | 15:53 |
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| jasondotstar | I do enjoy the playground | 15:53 |
| Ng | yes | 15:54 |
| jasondotstar | having a place to simply run code w/o building an app | 15:54 |
| Ng | did you discover the trick for having a playground run indefinitely, for async stuff? | 15:54 |
| jasondotstar | is helpful | 15:54 |
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| jasondotstar | no..... plz share that one | 15:54 |
| Ng | import XCPlayground | 15:55 |
| Ng | XCPlaygroundPage.currentPage.needsIndefiniteExecution = true | 15:55 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 15:56 |
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| jasondotstar | nice! | 15:56 |
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| jasondotstar | I'll give that a shot | 15:58 |
| Ng | :) | 15:58 |
| Ng | I don't think I have anything else for today | 15:58 |
| jasondotstar | well, I think that's it for our first meeting. | 15:58 |
| Ng | \o/ | 15:58 |
| Ng | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| jasondotstar | I'm done. nice job chairing | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 15:58:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-11-25-15.01.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-11-25-15.01.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-11-25-15.01.log.html | 15:58 |
| jasondotstar | Ng++++ | 15:58 |
| jasondotstar | too bad there's not karma bot :-) | 15:59 |
| Ng | hah | 15:59 |
| jasondotstar | s/not/no | 15:59 |
| jasondotstar | thx again | 15:59 |
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| SamYaple | #startmeeting kolla | 16:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 16:29:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SamYaple. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:29 |
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| SamYaple | #topic rollcalll | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcalll (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:29 | |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:29 |
| bmace | still a minute early, but here | 16:29 |
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| britthouser | o/ | 16:29 |
| pbourke | hi | 16:29 |
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| SamYaple | my clock might me a minute off | 16:30 |
| jmccarthy | o/ | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | im going to give a few for the checkin | 16:30 |
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| inc0 | yeah, it doesn't seem we have quorum | 16:30 |
| inc0 | I will use this precious moment to announce: oslo.log is broken | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | inc0: just hold up, give it til 1635 | 16:31 |
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| rhallisey | hi | 16:31 |
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| akwasnie | hey :) | 16:32 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:32 |
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| SamYaple | #topic announcements | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:33 | |
| SamYaple | nihilifer is now officially a core! w00t | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | its been a 'known' thing but he just got added to the group | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | so congrats | 16:34 |
| akwasnie | congrats once again :) | 16:34 |
| inc0 | Michal have became most popular first name in core team | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | i vote we call him Michal2 in person | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | thats all the announcements I know of, anyon have anything to add | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | nada | 16:34 |
| nihilifer_mobile | o/ | 16:34 |
| nihilifer_mobile | thanks again for nominating me | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | #topic status of oslo.log | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status of oslo.log (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:35 | |
| SamYaple | take it away inc0 | 16:35 |
| inc0 | ok, well, akwasnie was battling logging, I'm battling logging and OSAD guys said they have lots of problems with it as well | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | the OSA guys arent using syslog though | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | the write to file then read with external syslog | 16:36 |
| inc0 | yeah, because it was broken | 16:36 |
| inc0 | they experienced horrible wait conditions as they say | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | details? | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | inc0: you still there? | 16:38 |
| inc0 | odyssey4me> inc0 some services don't use the library in the right way - often causing the service to hang if, for instance, you restart rsyslog | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | inc0: no thats a bug in rsyslog | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | thats been fixed in upstream things | 16:39 |
| inc0 | ok, I'll tell them then | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | we should probably check our versions are good | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | well there is _a_ bug that will do that should i say | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | they may well have found a different one, but the bug i know about blocks on rsyslog restart | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | and that probably hangs the service | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | but we havent experinced that, what we experince is logging doesnt work with errors | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | any progress on that front? | 16:41 |
| pbourke | I thought akwasnie fixed that recently | 16:41 |
| akwasnie | i just repaied keystone errors | 16:41 |
| pbourke | can the same fix be applied across the rest? | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | no thats apache | 16:42 |
| akwasnie | but tracebacks may not work becouse they are handled as errors | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | the openstack services that use oslo.log still push stack traces and errors to stderr | 16:42 |
| akwasnie | and the way to log tracebacks is to handle them as exceptions in logging python module | 16:42 |
| akwasnie | and then, they can be logged to rsyslog | 16:42 |
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| SamYaple | for the openstack servies, there appears to be an option to do just that | 16:43 |
| SamYaple | we arent enabling it | 16:43 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, which one? | 16:43 |
| SamYaple | use_stderr | 16:43 |
| akwasnie | can it be used globally or with every logging call? | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | its in the conf for the service | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | like 'verbose=True' 'stderr=False' | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | or use_stderr=False | 16:44 |
| akwasnie | ok | 16:45 |
| inc0 | I'll play around it | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | im not sure thats going to do what we want, but im not sure I fully understand the issue | 16:45 |
| akwasnie | inc0 submitted a bug | 16:45 |
| akwasnie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1519381 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519381 in kolla "Tracebacks aren't logged to rsyslog" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Michał Jastrzębski (inc007) | 16:45 |
| inc0 | because I can't get logging.conf to work | 16:45 |
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| akwasnie | neither did i | 16:45 |
| inc0 | akwasnie, but you didn't try use_stderr=False right? | 16:45 |
| akwasnie | yes, i missed this one | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | #topic liberty 1.1 release | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty 1.1 release (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:47 | |
| SamYaple | so we are doing very well with the bugs | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/liberty/+bugs | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | of those 3, 2 are in-progress upstream | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | if you know or additional bugs that affect liberty, please tag them or file them | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 16:48 |
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| SamYaple | the Essential blueprints that are not implemented are still outstanding | 16:48 |
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| SamYaple | I may not be able to get to the version tagging one | 16:49 |
| britthouser | I've done some reading on mine (keepalived). Seems straightfoward, i'm just working on getting a multinode dev setup so I can test it. | 16:49 |
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| SamYaple | britthouser: no problem! if you need any help hit up the channel. | 16:49 |
| britthouser | Will do, probably first of next week. | 16:49 |
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| SamYaple | i havent seen sdake around alot, but he has other more important things. would someone like to take over the ovs data container work? | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | it should be a simple fix | 16:50 |
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| SamYaple | the fix should actually be entirely ansible code | 16:50 |
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| rhallisey | SamYaple, it's just using the existing data container, but mounting in the correct dirs right? | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | sounds fine | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | I can take it if needed | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: correct | 16:51 |
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| SamYaple | yea it should be a quick one | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | we just want the ovs db in its own volume | 16:51 |
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| rhallisey | sure | 16:52 |
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| SamYaple | #topic Kolla-rolled docker module | 16:52 |
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| SamYaple | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248812/ | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | Some background on this: | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | Ansible folks currently control the docker module that we use. This has lead to us waiting on them and forcing new versions of ansible on the users _just_ to get a simple bug fix | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | for example, the 1.8.2 docker version pin is because of ansible | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | They have stated they will not fix the v1 registry pulling for the docker module | 16:53 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, this is functional? | 16:53 |
| SamYaple | inc0: no, its WIP | 16:54 |
| inc0 | ok | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | right now it just returns a list of all running containers | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | So the idea with this module is to build our own so we can be in control of bug fixes | 16:54 |
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| inc0 | but that means we'll also fix the bugs ourselves - more code to maintain | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | this module is so critical to us we can't wait for a bugfix or new feature upstream and _force_ ansible upgrades locally | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | agreed, but right now i submit bug fixes to ansible upstream | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | that would just be internalized | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | can't we pick up the docker module from ansible repo instead of writing it from scratch? | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | additionally we wont be as complicated as the ansible module because we dont need to support all versions of docker and all versions of docker-py | 16:55 |
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| SamYaple | nihilifer: licensing | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | nihilifer: its gplv3 so we cant fork it | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | aww, ok | 16:56 |
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| SamYaple | the good news about this is we will not be forced to upgrade to ansible 2.0 if we continue down this "build-your-own-module" front | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | we will be running ansible 2.0 in the kolla-ansible container, but not require it on the host | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | any thoughts on doing this? | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | (creating our own module) | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | how long will we have to do this? | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | in other words is there an end for this | 16:58 |
| britthouser | I was thinking along the same lines | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | because in a sense it s worries me | 16:58 |
| britthouser | If there is an end, we should still be submitting fixes to ansible's module too, right? | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | nope. we will carry this for the life of the project, otherwise we are in the same boat again, waiting on ansible to improve kolla | 16:58 |
| nihilifer | is it technically possible to use different ansible modules under some condition? it would be nice to use upstream module when running ansible 2.0 in future | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | nihilifer: what do you mean? | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | say the ansible community were to listen to us more, would it solve our problem? | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | no | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | that would still me a forced ansible upgrade to the latest version to improve kolla | 17:00 |
| inc0 | they explicitly don't want to fix it in 1.x | 17:00 |
| nihilifer | SamYaple: i mean whether it's possible to call different modules with the same arguments, and pick up module to run by some if conditional | 17:00 |
| nihilifer | to be able to use upstream docker module if someone will run ansible >=2.0 | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | nihilifer: if the arguemntes match up, you could change the name of the module in ansible, yea | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | oh no | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | could we have kolla-ansible 2.0 | 17:00 |
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| SamYaple | -2 on that | 17:01 |
| rhallisey | and a kolla-anisble 1.x | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | i dont want to maintain twice our code base | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | ill maintain this module alone before we duplicate our code base like that | 17:01 |
| rhallisey | well the opposing view is the maintain a module | 17:01 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, maintaining "alone" is not too scallable, we need full community support on this | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | i know | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | so the issue is we are hamstrung right now | 17:02 |
| nihilifer | i don't like the idea of maintaining our own module forever | 17:02 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, how different is using 2.0 vs what we have now | 17:02 |
| inc0 | question tho, did anyone check if there is ready upstream project that is alternative to core ansible? | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: a good bit different | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | its been over a month since the 1.8.2 bug came out, and still no new ansible version | 17:03 |
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| SamYaple | we can;t fix this even if we wanted to | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | this is a critical peice of our project | 17:03 |
| inc0 | can we at least agree with ansible people on API? so we can create something more-or-less compatible with what they will have on ansible v2? | 17:03 |
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| SamYaple | additionally, the v2 registry can take hours and hours to push to, but they wont support the v1 registry | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | inc0: +1 | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | at lease we should be 100% compatible | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | in arguments we take in module | 17:04 |
| nihilifer | and in behavior | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | i disagree there | 17:04 |
| nihilifer | at least* | 17:04 |
| inc0 | yeah, thing is, we will want to switch to upstream at some point | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | i also disagree | 17:04 |
| rhallisey | inc0, that's what I was thinking | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | we dont otherwise we will be in the same boat | 17:04 |
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| rhallisey | maybe in 2.0 that becomes a reality | 17:04 |
| nihilifer | SamYaple probably doesn't want to switch to upstream never ever | 17:04 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, ansible may change policy, I'm -2 on burning bridges | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | its not a policy thing | 17:05 |
| nihilifer | SamYaple: what if in future there will be some bugs resolved in upstream ansible? | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | listen to get this fixes we _must_ upgrade ansible version | 17:05 |
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| SamYaple | this is true forever | 17:05 |
| inc0 | if we keep more or less compatible, when we decide we're ready to switch back to ansible core modules | 17:05 |
| inc0 | we can do it | 17:05 |
| nihilifer | will you watch are their activities to keep in sync? | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | the bugs are curerently solved in ansible upstream | 17:05 |
| inc0 | another option would be chasing trunk of ansible | 17:05 |
| nihilifer | all their* | 17:05 |
| inc0 | we do that with openstack | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | inc0: no we can't chase ansible trunk | 17:06 |
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| SamYaple | its always broken | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | i dont want to switch to ansible 2.0 out of the gate because its so busted (its a full rewrite) | 17:06 |
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| SamYaple | but we _must_ | 17:06 |
| inc0 | it seems to me it's broken now even tho it's pretty released | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | unless we write our own module | 17:06 |
| inc0 | kolla-salt then? | 17:07 |
| rhallisey | I just don't want to detach here from ansible.. | 17:07 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, lols | 17:07 |
| SamYaple | ill speak for sdake since he isnt here, he is 100% behind this and pushing me to do this | 17:07 |
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| inc0 | this means our own module? | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | yes | 17:08 |
| inc0 | I'm ok with our own module, I'm not ok with going oposite to ansible | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | define opposite? | 17:08 |
| inc0 | let's keep API at least simirar | 17:08 |
| inc0 | similar | 17:08 |
| inc0 | arguments and basic behaviours | 17:08 |
| britthouser | In the module we right, will the APIs be compatible with upstream? | 17:08 |
| nihilifer | i'm ok with own module as temp solution | 17:08 |
| nihilifer | not forever | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | are you just talking about the args? | 17:08 |
| britthouser | meaning we could drop theirs in, if it ever starts working? | 17:08 |
| inc0 | yeah, args | 17:08 |
| inc0 | names | 17:08 |
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| inc0 | that sort of stuff, so we can always come back to ansible with as-little-amount-of-work-as-possible | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | i dont think people realize this inst about a short term solution, but a long term one | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | lets talk about it like a long term one please | 17:09 |
| rhallisey | long term I don't like it | 17:09 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, I'm not ready to commit supporting thing like that forever | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | then suggest a solution please to the issue presented | 17:09 |
| inc0 | I'd rather switch ansible to something more managable | 17:09 |
| inc0 | because we'll hit more problems at some point | 17:10 |
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| britthouser | keeping the names/args teh same seems like a good middle ground. | 17:10 |
| inc0 | not with docker but with core ansible, or other module we happen to use | 17:10 |
| inc0 | we won't rewrite ansible then | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | inc0, interesting point, but I'd like to at least try and work this out with them | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: that won't solve anything. these bugs are fixed upstream | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | i fixed the 1.8.2+ one | 17:11 |
| inc0 | then maybe help them keep trunk not-broken | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | the problem is we are forced to upgrade just for that one little docker-py change | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | inc0: trunk broke because docker upgraded | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | it will happen again | 17:11 |
| inc0 | it will happen for us as well | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | sure, but we can fix it | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | its been a month, still no consumable fix from ansible | 17:12 |
| inc0 | we can fix it here or in ansible repo | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | i fixed it in the ansible repo a month ago | 17:12 |
| inc0 | either way works if we won't be bound to ansible release schedule | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | still not consumable by us | 17:12 |
| inc0 | and chase trunk | 17:12 |
| britthouser | So if we write our own, but keep it "compatible" with the upstream module, then at any time we could switch in the upstream version. that gives us teh possible of getting "out" down the road. | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | britthouser: the arg names dont matter to me | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | sure why not | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | but the solution to the problems wont ever change with ansible upstream | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | they arent doing anything _wrong_ they are just thier own project | 17:13 |
| inc0 | my suggestion - we start working on local module kept as much compatible with latest ansible as possible | 17:13 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, we can hit that problem with EVERY dependency we have, including openstack | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | arg names can be the same, doesnt matter to me | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | but openstack will affect all of openstack | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | its not the same problem | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | it _will_ get fixed and released in a timely manner | 17:14 |
| inc0 | ansible will affect everyone who uses ansible+docker, and that's not just us | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | thats not the case with ansible (its been a month) | 17:14 |
| inc0 | chasing trunk then | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | we will not be chasing trunk ever | 17:14 |
| inc0 | why? | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | why what? | 17:15 |
| britthouser | I think we have a proposal everyone can agree on? | 17:15 |
| britthouser | write our own, keep it compatible. | 17:15 |
| inc0 | let's start with our own but compatible, that's my suggesiton | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | britthouser: agreed, this still needs more discussion, but we can do so later | 17:15 |
| rhallisey | sounds like local module that compatible | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | yup | 17:15 |
| inc0 | and we can discuss it on midcycle, its super important | 17:15 |
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| rhallisey | SamYaple, I'm going to look at 2.0 anisble-docker here | 17:16 |
| britthouser | that's a good idea inc0 | 17:16 |
| rhallisey | inc0, agreed | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: the 2.0 docker module? | 17:16 |
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| SamYaple | actually we can discuss this more in the channel, we are running a it out of time. | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | #topic open discussion | 17:16 |
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| rhallisey | SamYaple, or whatever the module causing the issue. | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | floor is open | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | docker-py | 17:17 |
| britthouser | any more details about mid-cycle? | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, do you have a sign up | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: no sdake was putting that up | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | I will get with him if he has not yet | 17:17 |
| britthouser | do we have dates? want to block off my calendar | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | britthouser: not anything past febuary-ish in Greenville SC | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | ill talk with sdake and get this going | 17:18 |
| * britthouser blocks the entire month of february | 17:18 | |
| britthouser | =P | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | do it! | 17:18 |
| inc0 | spend rest of Febuary on reviews | 17:18 |
| cloudnull | SamYaple: sorry i was lurking in the channel. RE Ansible 2.0 the OSAD team wants to use it in the future however we'll likely wait a few releases because out intial testing reviealed quite a bit of brokeness and bad life choices. sorry for the outburst I just wanted to back up what SamYaple was talking about. | 17:18 |
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| SamYaple | ill get you guys something on the ML by friday | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | cloudnull: so last topic | 17:19 |
| cloudnull | 2.0 will need much love before its production ready | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | cloudnull: yea thats what we want to, but the docker module is pretty crucial to us | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | anyone have anything else they need to talk abbout | 17:20 |
| cloudnull | for sure. they have some bits we need too, and we're looking at ways to backport (manually) to 1.9.x if we absolutly need | 17:20 |
| cloudnull | anyway cheers | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | cloudnull: thanks :) | 17:20 |
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| britthouser | thanks cloudnull | 17:20 |
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| rhallisey | looks like nothing else | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | sdake has arrived! | 17:22 |
| sdake | o/ | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 17:22:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-11-25-16.29.html | 17:22 |
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| Jokke_ | #startmeeting log wg | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 20:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:02 |
| Jokke_ | Anyone here for the Log WG meeting? | 20:02 |
| Jokke_ | #info meeting cancelled due to lack of participation | 20:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good morning, from GMT+10 time, we will be starting the User Guide team meeting shortly. | 23:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | The User Guide team meeting will begin soon - I'm pushing the start time back slightly. | 23:35 |
| bmoss | cool | 23:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | Alright, I think that is enough forestalling. | 23:44 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:44 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 23:44:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:44 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:44 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 23:44 |
| JRobinson__ | So, properly, good morning all | 23:44 |
| JRobinson__ | welcome to the first IRC meeting. | 23:44 |
| JRobinson__ | The agenda is short, with some steps forward since last time on the spec. | 23:45 |
| bmoss | \o/ | 23:45 |
| JRobinson__ | I also wanted to look at using the [user guide] tag in patches. | 23:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic User Guide Specification | 23:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Guide Specification (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:45 | |
| JRobinson__ | So at the moment, I have three comments, and I have address two of them. | 23:46 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238770/ | 23:46 |
| JRobinson__ | ^addressed | 23:46 |
| bmoss | JRobinson__, which two have you addressed? | 23:47 |
| bmoss | 1. SDK -> api-site | 23:47 |
| bmoss | 2. Nova -> neutron | 23:47 |
| bmoss | 3. Definition of 'core' | 23:47 |
| JRobinson__ | In regards to Nova Networking vs. Neutron content for users, there is a presentation on a survey on which type of networking is workable. | 23:48 |
| JRobinson__ | I have spoken to Piet about this, and he is presenting the results in early December | 23:48 |
| bmoss | awesome | 23:48 |
| JRobinson__ | I have some small content to address here, and more to follow after the results are public. | 23:48 |
| JRobinson__ | I also have spoken to the Trove docs liason. There is some trove content that fits into the Cloud admin guide | 23:49 |
| JRobinson__ | So a bit of 2. Nova -> neutron, and a bit of 3. Definition of 'core' | 23:49 |
| bmoss | cool | 23:49 |
| JRobinson__ | #action JRobinson__ to update the spec on points 2 and 3. | 23:49 |
| bmoss | fwiw, I like Anne's idea of moving the SDK stuff out of the user guide as well | 23:50 |
| JRobinson__ | With that one, that is not a difficult change. If anyone wants to jump in and change it, go ahead. | 23:50 |
| JRobinson__ | Depending on time and other project work, etc. | 23:50 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all for the spec. | 23:51 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic [user guide] tag | 23:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[user guide] tag (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:51 | |
| bmoss | JRobinson__, I can add that to the spec | 23:51 |
| JRobinson__ | So this is more of a question. Can we add the [user guide] tag to patches similar to the install guide work. | 23:51 |
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| JRobinson__ | bmoss, awesome, thanks :) | 23:51 |
| bmoss | #action bmoss to update spec on point 1 | 23:52 |
| bmoss | re: tag - I like the idea, as it makes it easier to know what a patch involves when looking at a list of subject lines in gerrit | 23:52 |
| bmoss | on the other hand, it eats up subject line characters | 23:53 |
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| bmoss | but I don't think that is a major problem | 23:53 |
| JRobinson__ | So there are limitations to using it. | 23:53 |
| JRobinson__ | It might depend on how big the reorg is in the patch. Small patches may not need the team to look over them. | 23:54 |
| bmoss | that's true | 23:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay, I'll record that as information. | 23:55 |
| bmoss | so you envision the tag being used when we want to catch the attention of the speciality team? | 23:55 |
| JRobinson__ | #info make use of [user guide] tags in patches with large reorganisation impact. be aware of subject line length. | 23:55 |
| JRobinson__ | bmoss, yes that's right. | 23:55 |
| bmoss | cool. I think that's a good idea. | 23:56 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all I had on the point. | 23:56 |
| JRobinson__ | Last item is advertising the meeting more. | 23:56 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Meeting time change advertising | 23:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time change advertising (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:56 | |
| JRobinson__ | This is basically me not sending out enough reminders. I also did not contact interested people directly. | 23:56 |
| bmoss | do we have funding for a spot on SBS? | 23:56 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll fix that for next week. | 23:57 |
| JRobinson__ | bmoss, I can talk to the Organisation. | 23:57 |
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| bmoss | lol | 23:57 |
| JRobinson__ | If anything, SBS radio would be the least expensive option :) | 23:58 |
| bmoss | probably! | 23:58 |
| JRobinson__ | If that's all I might close the meeting up. | 23:58 |
| bmoss | that's all from me | 23:58 |
| JRobinson__ | bmoss, thank you :) | 23:59 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 23:59:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2015/docuserguides.2015-11-25-23.44.html | 23:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2015/docuserguides.2015-11-25-23.44.txt | 23:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2015/docuserguides.2015-11-25-23.44.log.html | 23:59 |
| bmoss | thanks JRobinson__ | 23:59 |
| JRobinson__ | np, | 23:59 |
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