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nikhil | mfedosin: ativelkov: around? | 14:02 |
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nikhil | #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team | 14:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 19 14:02:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance_artifacts_sub_team)" | 14:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team' | 14:02 |
nikhil | let's see who all are around for the meeting | 14:02 |
mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
dshakhray | o/ | 14:02 |
mfedosin | hi :) Alex is not here | 14:03 |
jokke_ | o/ | 14:03 |
* jokke_ is lurking around | 14:03 | |
nikhil | I see | 14:03 |
nikhil | Let's get started. | 14:03 |
mfedosin | I had no artifact activity last week :) | 14:03 |
nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance_artifacts_sub_team)" | 14:03 | |
nikhil | There's no set agenda. | 14:03 |
mfedosin | as usual | 14:03 |
nikhil | However, we discussed a few action items last week. | 14:03 |
nikhil | :) | 14:04 |
mfedosin | oh, yes | 14:04 |
mfedosin | we added a summit session | 14:04 |
nikhil | mfedosin: cool. so we can quickly do a review and have a small meeting today. see if we need to complete anything prior to summit. | 14:04 |
mfedosin | nikhil, agree | 14:04 |
nikhil | let's do that then. | 14:05 |
nikhil | #topic review action items, add more (if any) for the summit. | 14:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "review action items, add more (if any) for the summit. (Meeting topic: glance_artifacts_sub_team)" | 14:05 | |
nikhil | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-10-12-14.02.html | 14:05 |
nikhil | that's ^ where we had logged a few of them | 14:05 |
nikhil | rather *most* of them | 14:05 |
nikhil | reaching out to the teams has been done partially afaik | 14:06 |
nikhil | let's continue that for this week | 14:06 |
nikhil | #action Alex, nikhil, <any_with_ack>: reach out to heat and magnum team to discuss their possibility and intent to use artifacts | 14:06 |
nikhil | ativelkov: did send an article | 14:07 |
mfedosin | did he? | 14:07 |
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nikhil | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg65926.html | 14:07 |
nikhil | as an email; I sup that was the intent behind it | 14:08 |
mfedosin | ah, you are talking about this email | 14:08 |
mfedosin | I see hot discussions there | 14:09 |
nikhil | should we expect more on that as a separate article? | 14:09 |
mfedosin | he will try | 14:09 |
nikhil | here's the full thread | 14:09 |
nikhil | #link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/66638 | 14:09 |
jokke_ | I was expecting blog post or something like that tbh | 14:09 |
nikhil | I will try to comment on that today | 14:09 |
mfedosin | but the possibility is small | 14:09 |
nikhil | ok, hoping for the one. | 14:10 |
nikhil | but no worries if not | 14:10 |
jokke_ | but I do share the concerns of the app catalog folks ... | 14:10 |
nikhil | I know it's a busy time of the year | 14:10 |
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mfedosin | I'll tell him | 14:10 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: you think that Alex haven't noticed this being busy time? :P | 14:10 |
jokke_ | hasn't even | 14:11 |
nikhil | should we move on to the next one? | 14:12 |
nikhil | or are there more comments on this? | 14:12 |
mfedosin | frankly speaking I haven't read it carefully | 14:12 |
mfedosin | I mean the email | 14:12 |
nikhil | yeah, no worries. | 14:12 |
nikhil | ok, in the interest of time I will move forward | 14:12 |
mfedosin | I just had a glance on it :) | 14:12 |
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mfedosin | okey, go next | 14:13 |
nikhil | we do have a session proposed at the fishbowl track | 14:13 |
mfedosin | I think so | 14:13 |
nikhil | I meant accepted and published (not only proposed) | 14:14 |
mfedosin | Thursday 15:30 - 16:10 (fisbowl): Artifacts Review (ativelkov) | 14:14 |
nikhil | #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/glance#.VhaVuqLShbo | 14:14 |
nikhil | that's the full list | 14:14 |
mfedosin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-glance-summit-topics | 14:14 |
nikhil | event is at | 14:14 |
nikhil | #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/4666ddcbed5c1b8c8e7301f84952e3d4#.ViT6uaJan9s | 14:14 |
nikhil | yes, thanks mfedosin | 14:14 |
mfedosin | you're welcome | 14:14 |
nikhil | good to have the etherpad out there for any comments/conversation starters prior to the event | 14:14 |
nikhil | that reminds me | 14:15 |
nikhil | I think Flavio created a discussion etherpad and linked it to the event | 14:15 |
nikhil | link is | 14:15 |
nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-glance-artifacts-review | 14:15 |
mfedosin | yes, exactly | 14:16 |
nikhil | it asks for list of attendees (possibly for event planning) | 14:16 |
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mfedosin | I added myself | 14:16 |
mfedosin | Hope Alex will be there too | 14:16 |
nikhil | #info everyone: please list yourself as attendees to all events on sched.org and on etherpad to help with planning | 14:16 |
nikhil | Next one is release notes | 14:17 |
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nikhil | I created the wiki and linked it on -glance prior to publishing. Did hear feedback and everything was ok. | 14:18 |
nikhil | The documentation team actually helped clean it up a bit before link was distributed. | 14:18 |
mfedosin | thanks nikhil ! | 14:18 |
nikhil | The next one is related to rc-final and we are good on that. | 14:19 |
mfedosin | yes, no problems at all | 14:19 |
nikhil | awesome! | 14:19 |
nikhil | Last but (likely) not the least is read and comment on Alex's article. | 14:19 |
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mfedosin | some bugs are there, but they are definitely not critical | 14:19 |
nikhil | Let's add our comments to the email if possible. | 14:20 |
nikhil | mfedosin: ah I see | 14:20 |
nikhil | #info review on action items is done here. | 14:20 |
mfedosin | I'll write email with my response to that thread | 14:20 |
nikhil | mfedosin: cool! | 14:20 |
nikhil | much appreciated | 14:21 |
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mfedosin | is it all? | 14:21 |
nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:21 |
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mfedosin | I have no any artifact related questions | 14:22 |
nikhil | hey friends, so I have something to tell you guys | 14:22 |
jokke_ | shoot | 14:22 |
mfedosin | c'mon | 14:22 |
nikhil | I had to cancel my travel plans to Tokyo | 14:23 |
jokke_ | woot :o | 14:23 |
mfedosin | O_O | 14:23 |
mfedosin | omg | 14:23 |
mfedosin | why? | 14:23 |
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nikhil | yes, it was last minute | 14:23 |
nikhil | actually, I still have to cancel my ticket | 14:23 |
mfedosin | geez... it's bad | 14:23 |
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nikhil | but made a decision earlier | 14:24 |
nikhil | I can share details with you personally. | 14:24 |
nikhil | but that's the news. | 14:24 |
jokke_ | :( | 14:25 |
mfedosin | but you have a presentation there | 14:25 |
nikhil | yup :/ | 14:25 |
nikhil | I don't know how things are going to work out but we still have a week to figure things out.. | 14:25 |
mfedosin | will you be at least in Texas next spring? | 14:25 |
nikhil | that is my plan | 14:26 |
nikhil | Let's see where the mid-cycle is and when | 14:26 |
mfedosin | I'm sad :( | 14:26 |
nikhil | I am planning some time off for this matter later this year or early next. | 14:27 |
mfedosin | I wish to see you there | 14:27 |
mfedosin | I think the final place for mid-cycle is not set yet? | 14:27 |
nikhil | I haven't heard anything about it yet | 14:28 |
jokke_ | I haven't heard anything yet 'bout midcycle | 14:28 |
nikhil | jokke_: :) | 14:28 |
jokke_ | heh | 14:28 |
mfedosin | like twins :) | 14:28 |
jokke_ | from different parents :P | 14:28 |
mfedosin | It's popular in Indian movies | 14:29 |
nikhil | mfedosin: lol, really? | 14:29 |
jokke_ | time | 14:29 |
nikhil | example | 14:29 |
mfedosin | nikhil in PM | 14:29 |
nikhil | jokke_: thinking twins | 14:29 |
jokke_ | we can continue this outside of the meeting ;) | 14:29 |
nikhil | like there are scientists who make similar discoveries at the same time :P | 14:30 |
nikhil | oh yeah, we are out of time | 14:30 |
nikhil | thanks all for joining! | 14:30 |
nikhil | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 19 14:30:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-10-19-14.02.html | 14:30 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-10-19-14.02.txt | 14:30 |
mfedosin | yeah, thanks folks | 14:30 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-10-19-14.02.log.html | 14:30 |
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gsagie_ | Hello everyone, | 14:58 |
feisky | hi | 14:59 |
gsagie_ | hi feisky :) | 14:59 |
banix | gsagie_: hi | 15:00 |
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gsagie_ | ok, i think we can start | 15:00 |
gsagie_ | #startmeeting Kuryr | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 19 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
tfukushima | Toni is on vacation, BTW. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 15:00 |
gsagie_ | Yeah, Toni is in Tokyo :) | 15:00 |
gsagie_ | setting the grounds for us | 15:00 |
tfukushima | He's visiting Kyoto actually. | 15:01 |
gsagie_ | Who is in for the meeting, i see banix feisty and tfukushima | 15:01 |
gsagie_ | feisky | 15:01 |
gsagie_ | i think we will have a short meeting this week because everyone are probably busy with the summit.. | 15:02 |
gsagie_ | #topic libnetwork updates | 15:02 |
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gsagie_ | tfukushima: anything to update us on the progress? most patches are merged | 15:02 |
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tfukushima | So my patches for catching up with the libnetwork was merged. | 15:02 |
tfukushima | Vikas is working on updading the devref. | 15:03 |
salv-orlando | aloha | 15:03 |
gsagie_ | ok cool once this is done i will update our Kuryr spec at the neutron repository | 15:03 |
gsagie_ | Hello salv-orlando | 15:03 |
tfukushima | Vikas is also working on the validation issue for /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint . | 15:03 |
gsagie_ | #action gassy update Kuryr neutron spec with lib network new workflow | 15:03 |
gsagie_ | #action gsagie update Kuryr neutron spec with lib network new workflow | 15:04 |
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gsagie_ | tfukushima: so we are right now synced with the service removal and it should work if i rebase on your Join patch? | 15:04 |
tfukushima | Actually Vikas found the behaviour of change of creating endpoints as I put above. | 15:05 |
tfukushima | Except for that I confirmed it works against the specific version of libnetwork. | 15:06 |
tfukushima | In the latest one, I found some issues. | 15:06 |
tfukushima | vagrant@devstack:~/kuryr$ sudo docker run -it --net=foo --rm ubuntu /bin/bash | 15:06 |
tfukushima | Error deleting container: Error response from daemon: Driver aufs failed to remove root filesystem f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332: rename /var/lib/docker/0.0/aufs/mnt/f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332 /var/lib/docker/0.0/aufs/mnt/f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332-removing: device or resource busy | 15:06 |
tfukushima | Error response from daemon: Cannot start container f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332: failed to create endpoint admiring_pike on network foo: driver modified interface address: endpoint interface IP present (172.19.0.2/16). Cannot be modified with (172.19.0.2/16).; rolled back | 15:06 |
tfukushima | I tested against the following version and everything works with that. | 15:07 |
tfukushima | https://apt.dockerproject.org/repo/pool/experimental/d/docker-engine/docker-engine_1.9.0~dev~git20150924.164351.0.1e514de-0~jessie_amd64.deb` | 15:07 |
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gsagie_ | ok good work, we will probably demo from that version anyway and not the latest | 15:08 |
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vikasc__ | o/ | 15:08 |
tfukushima | So we'd use that version, yes. | 15:08 |
gsagie_ | and nice work from both you and vikas | 15:08 |
vikasc__ | sorry for being late | 15:08 |
banix | so 1.9.0-rc1 is the one we nee dto work it but I think this late in our cycle staying with a couple of commits earlier we are ok | 15:08 |
gsagie_ | hi Vikas! | 15:08 |
vikasc__ | Hi Gal | 15:08 |
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vikasc__ | yes , IMO alo we should work on 1.9.0_rc1 | 15:09 |
gsagie_ | okie, vikas is that the version you changed the vagrant installation to point to? | 15:09 |
vikasc__ | yes Gal | 15:09 |
tfukushima | Yeah, I tested with the env created by Vagrant. Thanks for that Vikas. | 15:10 |
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gsagie_ | okie great, after the summit we can probably investigate the things tfukushima noticed with latest builds | 15:10 |
gsagie_ | #topic demo in openstack summit | 15:11 |
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gsagie_ | mestery: here? | 15:11 |
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mestery | gsagie_: howdy! :) | 15:11 |
gsagie_ | Anything is missing on your end for the demo? | 15:11 |
gsagie_ | Hi daneyon ! :) | 15:11 |
gsagie_ | tfukushima, banix: i think we agreed not to demo with Docker Swarm, or has that changed? | 15:12 |
banix | gsagie_: no that’s my understanding | 15:13 |
gsagie_ | okie | 15:13 |
gsagie_ | anything new to update on that Integration band? | 15:13 |
gsagie_ | banix | 15:13 |
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banix | gsagie_: are you referring to swarm? | 15:14 |
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gsagie_ | yes | 15:14 |
banix | gsagie_: we have been doing some work on that area but nothing interesting to report yet; simply catching up with new changes | 15:15 |
gsagie_ | okie cool | 15:15 |
gsagie_ | tfukushima: is there any help you need for the demo ? i think you helping Toni on that, please let me know if there is anything you need from me | 15:16 |
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vikasc__ | i am also available for any help Taku | 15:16 |
banix | gsagie_: tfukushima it’s good to know what exactly the plan is for the demo | 15:17 |
tfukushima | I don't have issues for now. So I heard no multi node connectivity demo. Am I understanding correctly? | 15:17 |
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tfukushima | Basically it'd be the same as the last demo I put but with Horizon. | 15:17 |
tfukushima | banix: I heard you worked on some multi node connectivity stuff, which might be the next topic. | 15:18 |
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banix | tfukushima: thanks; regarding horizon just to confirm my understanding, the conatiners show up only if we use compute:nova as owner? | 15:18 |
gsagie_ | banix: i believe so, we need to add support there feisky is working on it i believe | 15:19 |
banix | tfukushima: yes, I have a multi node system but as independent docker hosts without swarm fronting them | 15:19 |
tfukushima | banix: Yes. We just show we set the device_owner field at this point. | 15:19 |
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banix | ok thanks | 15:19 |
gsagie_ | we want to be able to use kuryr:container as the owner | 15:19 |
gsagie_ | (similar to what Ironic is doing) | 15:19 |
gsagie_ | #topic trello board | 15:20 |
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gsagie_ | Ok, i believe everyone know but we have a Trello board for the project and after the summit i think we should start clearing it and transferring things to bugs/blue prints and track everything in launchpad | 15:20 |
gsagie_ | #link https://trello.com/b/cbIAXrQ2/project-kuryr | 15:21 |
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gsagie_ | so we should probably clean everything that is already done, i will work on it after the summit | 15:21 |
tfukushima | I finished some tasks, I believe, i.g., "Docker 1.9 new API adjustments". | 15:21 |
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tfukushima | Oh, Ok. | 15:21 |
gsagie_ | tfukushima: Feel free to delete it, and anything else you finished | 15:22 |
gsagie_ | i think all the members should have edit premissions | 15:22 |
tfukushima | gsagie_: Got it. | 15:22 |
gsagie_ | #topic Neutron design summit | 15:22 |
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gsagie_ | We will have part of a session to speak about Kuryr, i am still not sure how much time exactly but wanted to make sure the time it self fits everyone | 15:23 |
gsagie_ | http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/9be2ec1db45ea3267f811b8d35816e1c#.ViUK4kKfx-M | 15:23 |
gsagie_ | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/9be2ec1db45ea3267f811b8d35816e1c#.ViUK4kKfx-M | 15:23 |
gsagie_ | If anyone has any conflict, please let me know and i will see what we can do | 15:23 |
gsagie_ | And if anyone from the team has something that he/she thinks should be on the items, please let me know as we are working on the exact schedule | 15:25 |
banix | gsagie_: sounds good; it would be mice if we could find an hour or two for Kuryr to talk among ourselves. Saying it now as I am sure scheduling it will be a challenge | 15:26 |
gsagie_ | banix: yeah, its actually an action item on my self, are you staying friday as well? | 15:26 |
banix | no mice, nice :) | 15:26 |
banix | yes | 15:26 |
gsagie_ | so worst thing if we won't be able to find anything sooner we can do it on Friday, i will try to find something else and update everyone, would also like the Magnum team to join us | 15:27 |
gsagie_ | or at least the ones that are involved with the networking part | 15:27 |
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banix | sounds good | 15:28 |
gsagie_ | #topic open discussion | 15:29 |
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gsagie_ | Anything else from anyone? | 15:29 |
tfukushima | If we don't have any other topic, I'd like to talk about the multi node configuration a little bit. | 15:29 |
gsagie_ | tfukushima: sure | 15:29 |
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tfukushima | So I tried --cluster-store and --cluster-adverties options of Docker 1.9.0. | 15:30 |
vikasc__ | Can we discuss remote ipam driver support after that? | 15:30 |
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tfukushima | vikasc__: Yeah, mine would be short. | 15:31 |
vikasc__ | thanks tfukushima | 15:31 |
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gsagie_ | hi irenab | 15:31 |
tfukushima | Actually I tried ZooKeeper as the backend because that's what I have right now. | 15:31 |
tfukushima | From the log I can see they're communicating each other. | 15:31 |
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tfukushima | However, when I create a network on a host, it's not synced on another host. | 15:32 |
tfukushima | With overlay networking driver, it'd be synched among multiple hosts. | 15:33 |
banix | tfukushima: when you say not sync, what do you mean? the network doesnt show on netowrk ls? | 15:33 |
tfukushima | banix: Yes. | 15:33 |
tfukushima | banix: How about your system? Have you experienced that? If so how did you add the capability to syncing multiple hosts? | 15:34 |
banix | tfukushima: hmmm. have tried it with consul and that works fine | 15:34 |
tfukushima | It's possible that I'm configuring it wrong. | 15:34 |
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tfukushima | Ok, I'd appreciate if you could share the configuration. I must be doing wrong. | 15:35 |
banix | tfukushima: --cluster-store=consul://localhost:8500 --cluster-advertise=<your IP>:2375 | 15:35 |
tfukushima | DOCKER_OPTS="-D -H unix:///var/run/docker.sock -H tcp://0.0.0.0:2376 --cluster-advertise=192.168.11.14:2376 --cluster-store=zk://192.168.11.14:2181” | 15:35 |
tfukushima | banix: Thanks I'll try that. And I'm glad it worked on your side. | 15:36 |
banix | tfukushima: this is the command line omn one node: docker -dD -H :2375 --cluster-store=consul://localhost:8500 --cluster-advertise=192.168.122.185:2375 | 15:36 |
banix | tfukushima: sure; ping on IRC if you think i can be of any help | 15:37 |
tfukushima | banix: Ok. Thank you very much. | 15:37 |
tfukushima | vikasc__: I think I finished. Please go ahead. | 15:38 |
vikasc__ | how are we going to support remote ipam driver apis? | 15:38 |
vikasc__ | in the same process or a seperate server for ipam driver also | 15:39 |
vikasc__ | thoughts? | 15:39 |
banix | vikasc__: seperate sounds better | 15:39 |
banix | as it allows possibly having different versins of it? if need be | 15:40 |
vikasc__ | banix, make sense | 15:40 |
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gsagie_ | Vikas: can you explain more what do you mean | 15:40 |
salv-orl_ | vikasc__: yeah curious about that too. I thought we'd leverage ipam via neutron only. | 15:41 |
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gsagie_ | yeah same, and neutron has a pluggable IPAM already, so we will just need to connect to it | 15:41 |
vikasc__ | gsagie_, user has two options now.. either use built-in ipam of libnetwork or configure driver through docker cli | 15:42 |
vikasc__ | we will not need default subnets now i guess | 15:42 |
gsagie_ | vikasc__ : can you share a #link where its described maybe ? | 15:42 |
vikasc__ | one moment please | 15:43 |
vikasc__ | https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/ipam.md | 15:43 |
salv-orl_ | vikasc__: I think I see what you mean. A user can specify a 3rd party IPAM driver in addition to the libnetwork driver? | 15:43 |
gsagie_ | and are those lib network IPAM calls (that are done using docker cli) not being directed to the remote driver *Kuryr) ? | 15:43 |
gsagie_ | #link https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/ipam.md | 15:43 |
vikasc__ | gsagie_, no | 15:44 |
vikasc__ | gsagie_, first they will go to ipam driver | 15:44 |
vikasc__ | if user has not mentioned .. libnetwork has a built it | 15:44 |
banix | well the remore drivers and the remote ipam drivers are essentially different entities; but they can of course be handled by a single kuryr driver | 15:44 |
salv-orl_ | vikasc__: it is interesting that this interface seems very close to neutron's ipam driver interface | 15:45 |
banix | by remore driver i mean the dcker betwork plugin talking to the remote driver | 15:45 |
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vikasc__ | banix, agreed | 15:45 |
salv-orl_ | vikasc__: as docker has a default driver, does this mean that neutron's IPAM is going to be pretty much bypassed by docker's now? | 15:45 |
salv-orl_ | unless a kuryr IPAM driver is provided as well? | 15:45 |
gsagie_ | banix: just wondering why do you think that running those separately is better? | 15:46 |
banix | salv-orl_: right now yes | 15:46 |
vikasc__ | salv-orl_, yes | 15:46 |
tfukushima | vikasc__: I'm wondering what is the interface from the perspective of Kuryr or other remote drivers? | 15:46 |
tfukushima | #link new create network API https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/remote.md#create-network | 15:46 |
banix | right now there is no option of having a “null” libnetwork ipam driver so you either have that or you bring your own that implements the api | 15:46 |
salv-orl_ | banix, vikasc__: do you think an IPAM driver could just be implemented using Neutron's APIs or do you reckon we might need direct access to Neutron IPAM, which is not exposed via the API atm? | 15:46 |
vikasc__ | banix, exactly | 15:46 |
banix | gsagie_: just because these are logically different components/modules | 15:47 |
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tfukushima | I thought it would be in /NetworkDriver.CreateNetwork. | 15:47 |
banix | salv-orl_: i think using Neutron API would be sufficient but need to look more closely | 15:47 |
vikasc__ | salv-orl_, abstraction layer need to be introduced for defining interface | 15:48 |
banix | tfukushima: there are access through /IpamDriver.RequestPool etc | 15:49 |
banix | they are accesses | 15:49 |
banix | accessed | 15:49 |
vikasc__ | salv-orl_, we will have to define ipam apis. Then we can see how much we can reuse from neutron | 15:49 |
gsagie_ | banix: i am afraid that splitting these two in Kuryr, might lead to all strange race conditions, but i can't really back that up until i read more and understand the lib network IPAM better | 15:50 |
vikasc__ | gsagie_, thats why i brought this topic so that we can discuss more in next meeting | 15:51 |
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banix | gsagie_: let’s look into it more closely and discuss further | 15:51 |
vikasc__ | we will have more thoughts by then | 15:51 |
gsagie_ | okie, | 15:51 |
gsagie_ | #action everyone to examine the new lib network IPAM APIs | 15:51 |
gsagie_ | #link https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/ipam.md | 15:51 |
salv-orl_ | vikasc__: why? bike shedding about things you don't actually know if fun ;) | 15:52 |
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* salv-orl_ is fun | 15:52 | |
vikasc__ | salv-orl_, :D | 15:52 |
tfukushima | BTW, do we have the meeting next week in the same timeline? | 15:52 |
banix | is there a session on bike shedding at the summit? | 15:52 |
vikasc__ | here is the blueprint i drafted for same.https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/remote-ipam-driver | 15:53 |
gsagie_ | tfukushima: i don't think so | 15:53 |
banix | tfukushima: i would say let’s cancel the next week meeting | 15:53 |
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tfukushima | Ok, there'd be tons of meetings next week. :-p | 15:53 |
vikasc__ | :) | 15:54 |
gsagie_ | yeah, we could all meet in person, no need to do it on IRC :) | 15:54 |
feisky | I'm coming back. Has the discussion finished? | 15:54 |
gsagie_ | feisky: yes, but you can read the log in a minute | 15:55 |
feisky | I have two questions | 15:55 |
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gsagie_ | sure, but we have 2 minutes before the other meeting start | 15:55 |
salv-orl_ | banix: the summit is actually all about bike shedding, as you surely know | 15:56 |
feisky | first about device_owner, we must have an agreement before take other actions to horizon | 15:56 |
banix | :) | 15:56 |
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vikasc__ | :) | 15:57 |
feisky | We can't expect expect horizon to accept a new device_owner since we are still be debating | 15:57 |
gsagie_ | feisky: lets take this offline, we discussed about it | 15:57 |
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gsagie_ | feisky: we are going to use a patch with nova:compute for the demo and then proceed with what was mentioned in the patch | 15:58 |
gsagie_ | i think irena was commenting | 15:58 |
feisky | OK | 15:58 |
gsagie_ | ok everyone are time is up, thanks for coming | 15:59 |
gsagie_ | our | 15:59 |
gsagie_ | and see you all in the summit | 15:59 |
tfukushima | Have safe trips, guys! | 15:59 |
gsagie_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 19 15:59:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
salv-orl_ | adieuu | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-10-19-15.00.html | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-10-19-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-10-19-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
vikasc__ | bye | 15:59 |
banix | bye everyone | 15:59 |
tfukushima | feisky: We can continue on #openstack-neutron. | 16:00 |
Sukhdev | Hey Folks, time for Ironic-Neutron meeting | 16:00 |
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cragusa | hi Sukhdev | 16:01 |
Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 19 16:01:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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Sukhdev | cragusa: hi | 16:01 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
jroll | morning | 16:01 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_October_19.2C_2015 | 16:02 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
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Sukhdev | Next week is Summit - will see ya all there in Tokyo | 16:02 |
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lazy_prince | o/ | 16:03 |
lazy_prince | sorry a bit late.. | 16:03 |
Sukhdev | No meeting next week - everybody will be in transit | 16:03 |
Sukhdev | lazy_prince: you are right on time | 16:03 |
lazy_prince | fine with me.. | 16:03 |
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Sukhdev | The week after Summit - some of us off as well traveling through Japan and others are travelling back home | 16:04 |
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Sukhdev | So, I thought we cancel the meeting week after summit as well | 16:04 |
Sukhdev | any body has any objection to that? | 16:04 |
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Sukhdev | seems like there are no objections - so, next two weeks no meetings | 16:06 |
Sukhdev | we will resume on Nov 9th | 16:06 |
Sukhdev | Moving on with the agenda | 16:06 |
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Sukhdev | #topic: Integration Status | 16:06 |
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Sukhdev | I have had all kinds of problems after installing the latest set of patches | 16:07 |
Sukhdev | Last week was a big struggle to get a BM to boot | 16:07 |
Sukhdev | It turns out there is an issue with the Image - | 16:07 |
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Sukhdev | jroll tried to help with the images, and I am chatting with lucas in the ironic channel with image related issues | 16:08 |
jroll | the prebuilt images should always work, ditto for the coreos builder. those are both CI'd extensively. | 16:08 |
Sukhdev | jroll: the lasted on Friday was that the node will get into the reservation lock as you mentioned | 16:09 |
Sukhdev | and the node will proceed further than wait-callback state | 16:10 |
jroll | Sukhdev: no, that's an edge case that can happen when code is broken, not a normal thing | 16:10 |
jroll | anyway, we can take that stuff offline | 16:10 |
Sukhdev | yes, we can take this after this meeting - need to undestand how to make forward progress on that | 16:11 |
Sukhdev | Other than this, I do not have any additional progress report to present | 16:12 |
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Sukhdev | Anybody has anything else to share? | 16:13 |
lazy_prince | Can we ask all driver owners to validate if this works for them.. | 16:13 |
lazy_prince | or if some drivers are broken, we can get that addressed in nick of time..? | 16:14 |
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lazy_prince | just a thought.. | 16:14 |
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Sukhdev | lazy_prince: do we know if any other driver is using this other than HP and Arista? | 16:14 |
jroll | lazy_prince: ironic or neutron drivers? | 16:15 |
lazy_prince | I was more particular about ironic drivers.. | 16:15 |
jroll | Sukhdev: also of note, I just proposed the Nova spec for this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237067/ | 16:15 |
Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237067/ | 16:15 |
Sukhdev | jroll: thanks - I'll review it after the meeting | 16:16 |
jroll | lazy_prince: we still don't have instructions for testing :( | 16:16 |
jroll | nor docs for configuration | 16:16 |
jroll | we'll need those before asking people to test it; I'd also like it for my own testing | 16:16 |
Sukhdev | jroll: cragusa has put out the initial version of the doc, we should help him beef it up | 16:17 |
lazy_prince | hmm.. I think we should take some time to complete those docs.. | 16:17 |
jroll | Sukhdev: when I saw that it was just how to add portgroups :( | 16:18 |
cragusa | I actually have addressed Sukhdev comments, but need to check it before pushing it | 16:18 |
cragusa | I can do that tomorrow, if that's ok | 16:18 |
Sukhdev | jroll: we should have everything in this spec - so, that this become one "go to" place for all the answers | 16:19 |
Sukhdev | I mean from the ironic side of the documentation | 16:19 |
jroll | right | 16:19 |
lazy_prince | agree.. | 16:19 |
jroll | well, everything a deployer needs to know, step by step | 16:19 |
Sukhdev | correct - if you see my comments on cragusa's spec, you will notice that I tried to elude to that - but, am sure I missed many steps | 16:20 |
Sukhdev | so, if we all chip in, we can get this beefed up with information | 16:20 |
cragusa | Sukhdev: tomorrow I'll push the updated version, ok? | 16:21 |
Sukhdev | cragusa: sounds good | 16:21 |
Sukhdev | We should all review Nova spec which jroll just mentioned - make sure we are all good with that as well | 16:22 |
Sukhdev | we should get it ratified before the summit | 16:22 |
jroll | it probably needs some updates, I spent a whole 15 minutes on it :P | 16:22 |
lazy_prince | :) will make sure to review it.. | 16:22 |
Sukhdev | I will do it as well | 16:23 |
yhvh | me also | 16:23 |
jroll | thanks | 16:24 |
cragusa | me too | 16:24 |
Sukhdev | So, I think we have covered most of the items on the agenda - anybody wants to discuss anything else? | 16:24 |
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yhvh | I answered a few comments on a patch, but I need to ask something | 16:25 |
Sukhdev | I will need help from jroll off-line to get past the issue that I am faced with so that I can make forward progress | 16:25 |
yhvh | it seems we need port/groups uuids to be unique, but how should this be enforced? | 16:25 |
Sukhdev | yhvh: please do | 16:25 |
jroll | why do we need them unique? | 16:26 |
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jroll | or rather, where | 16:26 |
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yhvh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206232/26/ironic/db/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/5ea1b0d310e_added_port_group_table_and_altered_ports.py | 16:27 |
yhvh | second comment | 16:27 |
yhvh | I also seem to remember a comment on another patch but haven't found yet, possibly neutron side? | 16:27 |
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jroll | oh, so we need the mac address to be unique, not the uuid | 16:27 |
yhvh | sorry | 16:27 |
jroll | that's a great question | 16:28 |
jroll | so for the portgroups, is that mac address supplied by the client? (does it need to be?) | 16:28 |
jroll | I'm wondering if we can just generate those for the client | 16:28 |
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yhvh | yes, provided by client | 16:29 |
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jroll | is there a reason that needs to be sent by the client? | 16:30 |
jroll | or can we just generate them like neutron does | 16:30 |
yhvh | not that I know of | 16:30 |
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jroll | I guess that still doesn't help... | 16:30 |
jroll | the only thing I can imagine is a query to check, but that gets racy | 16:30 |
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jroll | actually. | 16:30 |
jroll | they don't need to be unique, right? | 16:31 |
jroll | if I have aa:aa and bb:bb, and put them into a portgroup | 16:31 |
jroll | I could have the portgroup mac be aa:aa | 16:31 |
lazy_prince | actually, they need to be . but i could be wron.. | 16:31 |
jroll | because neutron will only ever see the group mac | 16:31 |
jroll | now, if I made the portgroup mac cc:cc, and had a port with NO group as cc:cc, that could be problematic | 16:31 |
Sukhdev | <port><mac> combo should be unique | 16:31 |
lazy_prince | say some node have only ports but others could have portgroup// | 16:31 |
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jroll | yeah | 16:32 |
lazy_prince | so they could start stepping into each others mac ids.. | 16:32 |
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jroll | right | 16:32 |
lazy_prince | less likely but practically possible that they could land up in same network too.. | 16:32 |
lazy_prince | which could be problematic.. | 16:33 |
jroll | as terrible as it is, I'm inclined to think we should check the other table and let races happen if they happen | 16:33 |
jroll | and document it well | 16:33 |
jroll | I don't see a better way to do this | 16:33 |
yhvh | I saw a hack with foreignkeys, then a constraint on that? | 16:33 |
yhvh | just seemed a little ugly | 16:33 |
lazy_prince | or we say, only one of it can be active.. eith port or portgroups.. | 16:34 |
jroll | yeesh, yeah I don't love that | 16:34 |
jroll | yhvh: like an intermediate table with macs? | 16:34 |
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jroll | it isn't the worst idea, but I'm not a huge fan | 16:34 |
yhvh | like, portgroup has a relation to the address in port, and you can constrain on the values in foreignkey and local column | 16:35 |
jroll | devananda: ^ any thoughts? tl;dr what's the best way to enforce uniqueness of port.mac and portgroup.mac | 16:35 |
jroll | hmm | 16:35 |
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jroll | deva used to build really fast databases in exchange for money, so I'd like to leverage his wisdom here | 16:36 |
jroll | whether he appears here or not | 16:36 |
yhvh | well if not I can ml and cc | 16:36 |
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jroll | yeah, might be a good idea as others could chime in | 16:37 |
jroll | he'll respond eventually in irc, though | 16:37 |
Sukhdev | so, we deal with this kind of stuff in the switches as well - but, generally, it is user conrolled | 16:38 |
Sukhdev | I mean users configure it - | 16:38 |
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baoli | just a thought, does a port group mac use one of the macs from its memebers? and the member macs are hardware macs in this case? | 16:39 |
Sukhdev | by virtue that <Port><mac> combo has to be unique, by defination, you can not screw it up | 16:39 |
lazy_prince | another thing i have is say how do we ensure that the mac ids are uniq across VM and baremetal..? We could still end up with a Mac id on BM allocated to a VM | 16:40 |
jroll | Sukhdev: a portgroup mac could still conflict with a port mac, if the port doesn't have a group | 16:40 |
jroll | lazy_prince: the deployer configures the MAC prefix used by virtual ports, and they should be using a prefix that isn't assigned to a manufacturer | 16:41 |
Sukhdev | I am not expert on this, but, I can go check with our experts to query as to how do we deal with this | 16:41 |
jroll | baoli: it may but is not required, and yes | 16:41 |
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devananda | a wild devananda appears in a cloud of smoke | 16:44 |
devananda | jroll: ohhai! | 16:44 |
yhvh | lol | 16:44 |
jroll | haaaai | 16:44 |
Sukhdev | :-) | 16:44 |
Sukhdev | devananda: how wild? | 16:44 |
devananda | what do you mean "uniqueness of ..." ? | 16:44 |
jroll | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206232/26/ironic/db/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/5ea1b0d310e_added_port_group_table_and_altered_ports.py | 16:44 |
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jroll | devananda: imagine a port with no group with MAC aa:aa, and a portgroup with MAC aa:aa | 16:45 |
jroll | boom. | 16:45 |
devananda | heh | 16:45 |
devananda | so, unique across tables | 16:45 |
jroll | yah | 16:45 |
jroll | my best shot at it is an intermediate table with the mac addresses | 16:45 |
devananda | can be done. but not in a reasonable or supportable-across-databases kind of way | 16:45 |
devananda | jroll: how do you ensure that table is up to date? | 16:45 |
jroll | or eat the race conditions and validate in code | 16:46 |
jroll | eh? | 16:46 |
jroll | port: id | mac_id portgroup: id | mac_id macs: id | mac_addr | 16:46 |
jroll | mac_id fields are fk | 16:46 |
jroll | macs.mac_addr is unique constraint | 16:46 |
devananda | triggers, FKs | 16:46 |
devananda | yah | 16:46 |
devananda | jroll: but how do you know that there isn't a port AND a portgroup with the same MAC ? | 16:47 |
devananda | FK on those two table won't ensure that | 16:47 |
jroll | devananda: oh god | 16:47 |
jroll | yeah | 16:47 |
jroll | lol | 16:47 |
jroll | idk if this is solvable in 12 minutes, but some help would be cool :) | 16:47 |
devananda | right. I'll read the review. lets not try to solve it now | 16:47 |
jroll | 16:46:01 jroll | or eat the race conditions and validate in code | 16:47 |
jroll | ^ I don't love this idea but it will work :P | 16:48 |
devananda | it'll lead to a poor UX | 16:48 |
jroll | right | 16:48 |
devananda | question | 16:48 |
devananda | where does the MAC for a portgroup come from? | 16:48 |
jroll | another option is don't allow clients to supply portgroup.mac, but rather generate it | 16:48 |
devananda | heh | 16:48 |
jroll | reccomend prefixes that definitely aren't HW | 16:48 |
yhvh | devananda: client supplied | 16:49 |
jroll | recommend* | 16:49 |
devananda | can a switch require a specific MAC for a portgroup? | 16:49 |
devananda | or is it totally arbitrary? | 16:49 |
jroll | I have no clue | 16:49 |
jroll | it seems arbitrary | 16:49 |
devananda | what is the requirement within the network environment itself for the MAC address' uniqueness? | 16:49 |
jroll | generally you tell the switch what the MAC is for the MLAG or whatever | 16:49 |
devananda | eg, what happens if there are two switches and each has a portgroup with the same mac ? | 16:49 |
devananda | seems bad | 16:49 |
jroll | and the last question will depend on the deployment, I suspect | 16:49 |
devananda | and seems like a problem that network folks have already solved | 16:50 |
jroll | in our v2 deployment I think it would work as there's L2 -> VXLAN translation in the switch | 16:50 |
devananda | Sukhdev: ^ ? | 16:50 |
Sukhdev | This is a well understood and solved problem by all switch vendors - I can go ask our experts how we deal with this and share with the team next meeting | 16:50 |
jroll | (I think, I don't actually know what the group mac would do there) | 16:50 |
devananda | jroll: ok. so portgroup must be unique withinthe VXLAN | 16:50 |
jroll | Sukhdev: "next meeting" is three weeks from now :P | 16:50 |
devananda | still seems like "just let the client set it" is not a great approach | 16:51 |
jroll | devananda: yeah, I think so | 16:51 |
jroll | right | 16:51 |
jroll | especially if they don't need to | 16:51 |
Sukhdev | jroll: Opps - I can post on the review - as a comment | 16:51 |
jroll | thanks | 16:51 |
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devananda | ironic or neutron API could accept a MAC then have it rejected by the switch because oops-not-unique-in-the-VXLAN | 16:51 |
jroll | I think neutron might reject it at that point, but that's still too late | 16:51 |
Sukhdev | devananda: actually, in my Ironic testing, I often see error message saying mac address is already in use | 16:52 |
devananda | Sukhdev: o.0 | 16:52 |
Sukhdev | this happens if Ironic driver drive does not clean neutron ports and tries to reuse upon an new launch of VM | 16:53 |
jroll | yeah | 16:53 |
jroll | that's a nova->neutron thing | 16:53 |
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devananda | ugh | 16:53 |
Sukhdev | yup - so, it is checked somewhere | 16:53 |
devananda | well, feel free to move on. i've got enough now to think about the db side of this, but wont have an answer right away | 16:54 |
jroll | but "deploy time" is too late, regardless. | 16:54 |
jroll | yeah, I need to bounce as well and stretch my legs before next meeting | 16:54 |
jroll | good meeting, thanks Sukhdev | 16:54 |
Sukhdev | Thanks folks this was a great discussion | 16:55 |
yhvh | yes thanks all | 16:55 |
Sukhdev | We will see each other in Tokyo next week | 16:55 |
cragusa | thanks | 16:55 |
Sukhdev | bye | 16:55 |
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Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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