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| nikhil | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | #startmeeting glance drivers | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 22 14:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hello | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| nikhil | hi rosmaita , good morning | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | looks like jus two of us | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | while we're waiting, i have a quick question ... there's a PS up to change glance tests so that the asserts look like assertWhatever(expected, observerd) | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | i was looking at some nova tests, and they all have assertWhatever(observed, expected) | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | i'm trying to figure out what's really correct | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | i'm assuming we're all using the same testing framework? | 14:03 |
| nikhil | yeah | 14:04 |
| nikhil | rosmaita the quickest way to know that is using IDE say pyCharm | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | that was just the nova tests i was looking at, i wasn't very thorough | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i see, it will enforce for whatever the framework in use is | 14:05 |
| nikhil | it won't | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | or to read the docs :P | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | http://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api.html#testtools.TestCase.assertEqual | 14:05 |
| nikhil | it will give you hint | 14:05 |
| nikhil | there are 3 params, expected, observed, message if I recollect correctly | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | flaper87: ty | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | it's just seeing so many the other way in nova made me wonder | 14:06 |
| nikhil | yeah, IDEs give on the fly docs. try a emacs plugin :) | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: np :) | 14:06 |
| nikhil | I am wondering whoever proposed the agenda topic is here or not? | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i did | 14:07 |
| nikhil | Thanks for the email and comment flaper87 | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | and i am | 14:07 |
| nikhil | I see | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: np | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | I hope it all sounds reasonable | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | it does | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | Since I missed my chance to comment yday (personal mattes), I spent more time thinking about it | 14:07 |
| nikhil | yeah, I meant to say thanks for clarification on the thoughts behind the impl and proposal | 14:07 |
| nikhil | It makes sense | 14:08 |
| nikhil | #topic resolution on the ova lite spec | 14:08 |
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| rosmaita | my agenda item was just to make sure we're all on the same page, and i guess to ask nikhil to formally give the news | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | to the OVA spec people | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | though, they have probably seen the writing on the wall | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | whatever communicated over last 3 mins and hereon | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | or on the patch set | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | ref topic ^ | 14:09 |
| nikhil | ha, writing on the wall sounds trendy-tious | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | it's a biblical reference | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: :P | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | but don't ask me where, i got all my bible knowledge from reading p.g. wodehouse | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | As stated on the review, I think we should hold off this spec until M | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | It's unfortunate because I like the feature and it was really close | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | but now it does feel we're rushing it | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | (just making sure some of this is logged in the meeting records) | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214810/ | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:12 |
| nikhil | Thanks, it makes sense. | 14:12 |
| nikhil | Let's give them a early mitaka hope | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | yup, sounds reasonable | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i hope the team working on this will begin immediately after the summit, after the tasks stuff is settled, to get this done | 14:13 |
| nikhil | We should hopefully discuss the preapproval process and lite specs next week | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:13 |
| nikhil | then things will be more clear | 14:13 |
| nikhil | agreed | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | They have a chance to expand the implementation and we have a better chance to provide more detailed reviews to have a more robust implementation | 14:13 |
| nikhil | should we move to next topic? | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | yes, and we all need to be on the same page about failure flows | 14:14 |
| nikhil | that's true | 14:14 |
| nikhil | failure flows* | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | or flow failures? | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | or flow failures flows | 14:14 |
| nikhil | lol | 14:15 |
| * flaper87 expects an inception joke to come out of this | 14:15 | |
| nikhil | that can be a name of a open source organization | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | would have a cool logo | 14:15 |
| nikhil | busted A/C :P | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | whatever you call that whirpool thing going down the drain | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: let's move to next topic | 14:17 |
| nikhil | #topic Image upload in public clouds (Doug's DefCore email thread) | 14:17 |
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| nikhil | I assume you have prepped something rosmaita | 14:17 |
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| rosmaita | i read through the thread again, specifically about upload | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i want to ask the other drivers here if their impression of the discussion accords with mine, namely | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | the end-user facing upload must look the same in all OpenStack clouds | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | but, it doesn't have to be the curent upload ... Clint proposed an upload request that returns a URI to upload to, Monty and Doug seem to think that's OK | 14:18 |
| * dhellmann arrives late | 14:19 | |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I've been putting lots of thoughts on this lately and I've pinged Stuart and dhellmann to get some feedback | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | doug ... excellent timing! | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita: yes, that's basically what I would like to see | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | oh, there's dhellmann | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | So yeah, I believe that's the feedback | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | it doesn't have to be HTTP | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | BUT | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | and this is were I'm very opinionated on: The solution, whatever it is, must not require the user to have any knowledge of where the image is being uploaded. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | Lemme rephrase that | 14:20 |
| nikhil | The intiail conversation I had with Monty led us to a discoverable aspect to the API | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | it would be really useful to frame this discussion in terms of the use cases that need to be supported, to help make it concrete | 14:20 |
| nikhil | and there are variations in the understanding | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-new-new-up-down-workflow-scratchpad | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | dhellmann yep, you hit the point | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | IMHO, the user should not care about the image being uploaded to a third-party server, swift, whatever. From an user perspective, there has to me a simple image-create | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | there may be several ways to create images (upload, from existing volumes, etc.) and we might need different APIs for those but as long as each of those different APIs always does its one job consistently that's fine | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: lol, I also have an etherpad that I was planning to share next week | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | lol | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-upload-mechanism-reloaded | 14:21 |
| nikhil | So, the idea should be a thematic API | 14:21 |
| nikhil | and not a single API | 14:21 |
| nikhil | for example the Image create (includes upload) are two APIs | 14:21 |
| nikhil | but a single theme | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | nikhil: right, discoverability is important, too. I think mordred's suggestion was that an API endpoint might return instructions for where to upload the image, and that helps with one use case but may not cover all of them | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | One thing thing is that etherpad already contains some implementation details | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | so I would like to document all of the use cases before we design any new APIs | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: Can we have a pre-summit working session? | 14:22 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: ^ | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I would like to rephrase that dhellmann if you don't mind | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: i think we will have to | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I think it'd be super useful to have a meeting to brainstorm | 14:22 |
| nikhil | we should consider SuperUser use cases and try to account for maintainability overhear for other users | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | and come up with a solution to this issues that won't be an issue for others | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | and likely, what's in my etherpad is not it | 14:23 |
| nikhil | quote and unquote | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | but it does give an idea | 14:23 |
| nikhil | flaper87 +1 | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | DefCore, cloud-users, admins | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | That's normally the other I apply when figuring out if something may or may not be good | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: swift users, ceph users, small deployments with neither | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | (left to right) | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | I think admins is a overloaded word in some cases | 14:23 |
| nikhil | but I know what you mean by it | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | one thing to keep in mind is that the tasks api was designed for import/export/cloning | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: ops is probably more accurate | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | cloud-admins ? | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | mmh, well, you get my point | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i don't think we should consider upload in isolation | 14:24 |
| nikhil | possibly admins == deployers, operations (maintainers) and admisistrators (auditos etc) | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:24 |
| nikhil | rosmaita yep, that's a great point | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | I'd probably replace admins with inter-cloud use cases since that covers other services talking to Glance too | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita: exactly, we need to consider all of the use cases | 14:25 |
| nikhil | so, two things I would like to say right up front | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | looking quickly through flaper87 's etherpad, looks a lot like the tasks api | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i will shut up and let nikhil speak | 14:26 |
| nikhil | 1. making massive changes to the image related code is a big risk (sec, maintainibility, etc wise) | 14:26 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: well, the difference is that it does not require the user to trigger a task but Glance does it once the image bits are uploaded. My wording may not be fair to the original idea | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | but I'm happy to elaborate/explain | 14:26 |
| nikhil | 2. task-workflow original use case for the exposure to public cloud | 14:26 |
| nikhil | as images had slowly evolved into them as we made things public, intitial design never considered such stringent requirements from DefCore, API_WG, PRD_WG etc | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | I want to be sure it's clear that the problem with the task workflow is not that it is task-based, but that the API requires the user to know about the task without being able to discover it. Having an API endpoint that starts a background task is fine. | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | I still think we should hide tasks from public usage since they have not been implemented in an interoperable way. | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: or we implement them in an interoperable way | 14:27 |
| nikhil | tasks in bacjground challenge the immutability and transparency clause for images | 14:28 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: re #1: Agreed, the proposed solution on my etherpad (again it's just an idea thrown out there) takes care of not breaking the existing API/upload for users | 14:28 |
| nikhil | it can possibly violate the image verification and assurance for the users | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | the nice thing about the import task is that you don't create an image until there's a reasonable expectation that it is actually an image | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | but any deep discussion of implementation details is really premature until we have a complete documented list of the requirements, somewhere other than the mailing list archives | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ++ | 14:28 |
| nikhil | agreed | 14:28 |
| * flaper87 wonders where's mclaren when we need him | 14:28 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita: that sounds like a useful feature to incorporate into the requirements | 14:29 |
| nikhil | It would nice to document the constraints, use cases, maintainability overhead of the changes | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | nikhil: ++ | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | this seems like a great use of the specs process | 14:29 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: have you seen this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-tasks-api-product | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | rosmaita: no, but it's on my reading list now | 14:30 |
| nikhil | we are out of time so as a courtesy towards this channel we can continue the discussion on -glance if we awnt | 14:30 |
| nikhil | thanks all for joining! | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:30 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | \o | 14:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 22 14:30:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-22-14.01.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-22-14.01.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-22-14.01.log.html | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 22 15:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| sbadia | hey! | 15:00 |
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| iurygregory | o/ | 15:00 |
| maximov | hi | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150922 | 15:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:00 |
| _ody_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | hello here | 15:00 |
| degorenko | hey o/ | 15:00 |
| mwhahaha | hey | 15:00 |
| mdorman | o/ | 15:00 |
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| skolekonov | hi | 15:01 |
| angdraug | \o | 15:01 |
| richm | hello | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic Release schedule | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | there is no schedule yet, so we are kind of free | 15:02 |
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| EmilienM | I would propose to wait for stable packages on both ubuntu/uca & centos/rdo | 15:02 |
| sbadia | +1 | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | and then think about stable/liberty | 15:02 |
| iurygregory | +1 | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | I think it would let us ~one month or so | 15:03 |
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| _ody_ | +1 | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | please make sure stable/kilo & stable/juno have useful backports | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | #link releases https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/releases | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #topic Summit | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | #link summit etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HND-puppet | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | I hope our group will submit more topics | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | for now, only spredzy and I did | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | don't be shy :) and bring your ideas | 15:06 |
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| EmilienM | we need topics to define what's next, I hope people will contribute to the etherpad during the following days | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | #topic service_default() and is_service_default() usage | 15:08 |
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| EmilienM | mwhahaha: hello | 15:08 |
| mwhahaha | hey | 15:08 |
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| * EmilienM looking for links | 15:09 | |
| mwhahaha | so last week we talked about the best way to check for the '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' strings and I proposed a function to check for it | 15:09 |
| mwhahaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223672/ | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | I liked Hunner & _ody_ feedbacks | 15:09 |
| mwhahaha | when doing this, I also thought about the other side where we could use a function in place of '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' | 15:09 |
| mwhahaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224187/ | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | _ody_: can you summarize it again please? | 15:09 |
| _ody_ | I was a solid +0 on it until EmilienM sparked me to look at it again yesterday, then I transitioned into a -1. | 15:10 |
| mwhahaha | for which? for both? | 15:10 |
| _ody_ | Yeah. | 15:11 |
| _ody_ | It might be a little easier on the eyes but not nearly as obvious to people reading the manifest for the first or even second time and I don't think it actually solves a problem. Plus it has to run code to return a string, which is going to have overhead over parsing a simple string. To obtain the same goal of abstracting the value away from the implementation, the params pattern has been use | 15:11 |
| _ody_ | d for that until now. | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | _ody_: I don't see your review on Gerrit :( | 15:11 |
| _ody_ | EmilienM: I didn't submit it because it was long winded...I actually just pated it into IRC. | 15:11 |
| _ody_ | We could set a "default" string across all our modules by having a "openstacklib::params::servicedefault" variable and inherit "openstacklib::params" is every params class, e.g. "nova::params inherits openstacklib::params". | 15:11 |
| _ody_ | I am just generally not a fan of having ruby do work the puppet language can "generally" do. | 15:12 |
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| angdraug | premature optimization is root of all evil | 15:12 |
| mwhahaha | fair enough, i think i had mentioned switching to the params as an alternative | 15:12 |
| mwhahaha | in irc | 15:12 |
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| EmilienM | I would like to see an example of _ody_'s proposal with openstacklib::params::servicedefault | 15:13 |
| _ody_ | Sure. | 15:13 |
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| mwhahaha | so i think the is_service_default is still valid | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | we all agree we want this feature | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | we just don't know yet how to make it | 15:13 |
| mwhahaha | but service_default is not the best way | 15:13 |
| _ody_ | mwhahaha: I am no sure. That unsubmitted review I just pasted was the review I had prepared for service_default. | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: for now, yes, becayse you rely on SERVICE_DEFAULT pattern | 15:14 |
| _ody_ | I was kinda treating them the same but I'll leave that for after I try out a few other options. | 15:14 |
| mwhahaha | for me is_service_default is like a stdlib function such as validate_string() | 15:15 |
| mwhahaha | that is not a weird pattern | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: does it work for you, if we wait for _ody_'s proposal and see how it behaves? | 15:15 |
| _ody_ | mwhahaha: Ok. I'll read through that one again. | 15:15 |
| mwhahaha | the using service_default() as a param is odd, so i can see that not being so great | 15:15 |
| crinkle | I think we should get the original plan, which just uses the string, in place and working and then we can optimize/clean up later | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: yeah, we could convert puppet-cinder (the module where we initiated the work) and see how it works. Later optimize/stabilize and then convert all modules once we have final design | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: yes, your function seems still valid if we go that way | 15:17 |
| _ody_ | I find running ruby to return a static to be my issue. We've ween expirementing with puppetdbquery functions as parameter defaults lately. | 15:17 |
| mwhahaha | I'm ok abandoning the service_default() function | 15:18 |
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| mwhahaha | i would like to keep is_service_default() | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: don't abandon it, it's too early I think | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | yes, we might need to keep it | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | the is_service_default | 15:18 |
| mwhahaha | k | 15:18 |
| _ody_ | yeah. Please no abandoning things yet. | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | #action _ody_ to propose another default pattern solution (in puppet-openstacklib) | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | _ody_: once you have something please use the ML thread, so we can move forward | 15:20 |
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| EmilienM | mwhahaha, spredzy: maybe we can start converting puppet-cinder to use is_service_default and see how it behaves | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | do you like the plan? or? | 15:21 |
| mwhahaha | we've got that one review that has been converted but fails CI because we haven't merged is_service_default yet | 15:21 |
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| EmilienM | unfortunatly, our CI does not handle Zuul cloner for unit tests | 15:22 |
| _ody_ | EmilienM: Yep will do after breakfast. | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | but anyoen is free to make it happen | 15:22 |
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| mwhahaha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219275/ | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | crinkle wrote the tool in puppet-openstack-integration for beaker jobs | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | we could re-use it | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | this is a separated topic, but if anyone is interested to work on it, raise your hand | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: I think we can merge your function is openstacklib in the meantime | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: you don't break anything, and if we decide to go back, we can revert your patch | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | k | 15:24 |
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| _ody_ | Yep. | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | +2 +A | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: so in a few, you'll be able to do the recheck on the cinder patch and see unit test behavior | 15:25 |
| mwhahaha | k | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: thanks | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | spredzy is afk but I'll check with him if you guys are willing to use puppet-cinder to test the feature | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | anything else about this topic? | 15:26 |
| mwhahaha | doesn't look like it | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: maybe you can WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224187 to avoid accidental merge | 15:26 |
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| mwhahaha | sure | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | #topic Rewrite puppet-nova providers based on Openstacklib and Openstack client | 15:27 |
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| EmilienM | degorenko, sbog: o/ | 15:27 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, hey o/ | 15:27 |
| sbog | hi | 15:27 |
| degorenko | my suggestion is to rewrite nova resource/providers authorization based on Openstacklib and openstack client | 15:27 |
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| degorenko | like it done for keystone | 15:27 |
| degorenko | also adapt current providers and add some new providers (flavors, secgroups, e.g) | 15:27 |
| degorenko | what do you think? | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | well, this is where we try to go in keystone, glance & neutron so yeah nova makes sense | 15:28 |
| degorenko | great | 15:28 |
| degorenko | i've found next blueprint: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/puppet-openstacklib/+spec/use-openstackclient-in-module-resources | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | until now, nobody had time to make it so we're happy if anyone can make it | 15:28 |
| degorenko | can i use it? | 15:28 |
| crinkle | just need to make sure openstackclient has support for what we're doing in those providers | 15:28 |
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| degorenko | of course | 15:28 |
| _ody_ | If someone is ready to put in the effort, it only seems natural. | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | yeah, we need feature parity at least | 15:28 |
| sbog | I think it would be nice. I have done such work for old openstack client, but it unusable now. | 15:28 |
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| EmilienM | awesome! | 15:29 |
| degorenko | Btw, all modules depend on openstacklib, so, we can use one common way for authorization | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: look at puppet-glance, the implementation is pretty stable now | 15:29 |
| degorenko | yep, i will look | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | the Glance_image resource is a good example | 15:29 |
| degorenko | probably we need use this for all modules? | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | degorenko, sbog: anything else about this topic? | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | this ? | 15:30 |
| sbog | I think that's all | 15:30 |
| degorenko | this feature :) | 15:30 |
| degorenko | i mean auth via openstack client | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | it's a "nice to have" | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | since osclient is being the reference | 15:30 |
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| degorenko | ok, got it | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | and since we decided to rely on osclient for our providers, yeah | 15:31 |
| degorenko | we can discuss in summit this topic | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: cool, feel free to adjust etherpad | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | #topic Keystone v3 - implement providers using composite namevar | 15:31 |
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| degorenko | great! i'll add a new topic | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | chem: o/ | 15:31 |
| richm | yes, chem | 15:31 |
| chem | yep ? | 15:32 |
| chem | ah | 15:32 |
| richm | so chem has figured out that you have to use isnamevar with _properties_, not _parameters_ | 15:32 |
| * EmilienM wakes up chem | 15:32 | |
| _ody_ | Ugh...yeah parameters are not syncable. | 15:32 |
| richm | the puppet docs say that "properties" are the actual properties of the actual object being modeled | 15:32 |
| _ody_ | I mean other way around. | 15:32 |
| richm | while parameters are just things passed from manifests into the provider code | 15:33 |
| chem | running the spec using newparam make them fail | 15:33 |
| richm | chem: how so? | 15:33 |
| chem | didn't dig into it, but it falis | 15:33 |
| chem | means you have to change some other code | 15:33 |
| _ody_ | I am happy to take a crack at it. | 15:34 |
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| richm | ok - so we still need to investigate this approach some more to see if it is viable | 15:34 |
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| chem | well I could finish the job to see what is failing | 15:34 |
| richm | My suspicion is that it is not viable - if we have to use parameters instead of properties, that means that somewhere, somehow, puppet is not going to like it and barf | 15:34 |
| richm | but, let's investigate some more | 15:35 |
| chem | parameter == stuff that puppet cannot guess from the environment | 15:35 |
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| richm | or from the object being modeled | 15:35 |
| chem | hum, oki. | 15:35 |
| richm | chem: Can you investigate some more and follow up/reply to your email to the os-dev list? | 15:35 |
| chem | oki, I look why it's failing and post the result | 15:36 |
| richm | chem: Thanks | 15:36 |
| chem | richm: np | 15:36 |
| _ody | If someone has a link to a branch, I'll also hack on it. | 15:37 |
| * _ody didn't see one in the thread | 15:37 | |
| chem | _ody: no branch, just local modification | 15:37 |
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| chem | _ody: it was just exploration ... I may be able to make a gerrit review in wip that I'll destroy later no ? | 15:38 |
| chem | is it something that people do ? | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | I think the sooner you release your patch, the better it is | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | all the time | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | using Gerrit enforces collaboration, don't keep your code locally | 15:38 |
| chem | but is it in merge conflit with what gilhub is working on ? | 15:39 |
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| chem | sorry : "isn't it" | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | you can do Gerrit dependencies or patchs on top of master, whatever | 15:40 |
| chem | EmilienM: oki | 15:40 |
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| richm | right - just rebase your patch on top of whatever you want as you base | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | chem: you can do a PoC on top of his patch | 15:40 |
| chem | EmilienM: richm: I'll do that | 15:40 |
| richm | chem: Thanks! | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | #action chem to propose PoC on top of gilles's patch | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | thanks, anything else chem ? | 15:41 |
| chem | EmilienM: no. | 15:41 |
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| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 15:41 |
| chem | i'm good | 15:41 |
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| angdraug | can we talk about mlnx vs cisco a bit? | 15:42 |
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| EmilienM | angdraug: sure, what's up? | 15:42 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/209997 | 15:42 |
| angdraug | I'm not particularly for or against vendor drivers code in puppet-neutron, but the discussion there seems to be applying double standards | 15:43 |
| angdraug | neutron itself has drivers for both cisco and mlnx | 15:43 |
| angdraug | puppet-neutron has cisco specific code | 15:43 |
| angdraug | why is it that mlnx specific code is undesirable? | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | I reviewed the code and I don't think we should manage external repositories, but it's my opinion | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | mlnx code is 100% desirable, I just disagree to install third party software | 15:44 |
| angdraug | EmilienM: n1kv driver does that | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | yes and if you read my review, you'll see I'm not happy with that. | 15:44 |
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| angdraug | how do you propose to fix that? | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: I'm curious to know what others think here | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | I did not -2, I just -1 to raise something we never wanted to do initially | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | even though cisco did it | 15:45 |
| mwhahaha | i don't think we should include it | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | I'm not a fan how installing external packages | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | people have their own composition layer | 15:46 |
| angdraug | is there a way to make that manifest work without external repos? | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | if you install mellanox, create a puppet-mellanox module and install repo + packages | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | puppet-neutron aims to manage neutron packages & config files only | 15:46 |
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| angdraug | as I said, that's fine by me, but following the same standards the cisco code should be removed | 15:47 |
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| EmilienM | angdraug: submit a patch, I'll +2 | 15:47 |
| angdraug | ok | 15:47 |
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| EmilienM | but before I would like to see consencus | 15:47 |
| angdraug | I'm sure there will be -1's on the removal patch :) | 15:48 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: do you have thoughts on this? | 15:48 |
| angdraug | but if anyone here has an opinion, it would be nice to know | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: yes - and again I have nothing against mlx or cisco or whatever you know - I personally don't care. | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | it's just the "how far should we manage plugins" question | 15:49 |
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| angdraug | yeah | 15:49 |
| crinkle | I haven't digested the patch, no opinion really | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | if anyone is good with that and I'm the only one who -1, I think we should allow external repos - I just want it documented somewhere. It's not clear to me atm | 15:50 |
| crinkle | if its consistent with other plguins then why not? | 15:50 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209997/9/manifests/agents/ml2/mlnx.pp,cm | 15:50 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: I've never taken the time to look at any plugins besides ovs and linuxbridge, why is this one different from the other vendored plugins? | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: the problem is that: did we do well by accepting external repos? | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | because their packages are not in distros repos | 15:51 |
| angdraug | crinkle: the difference is that cisco and mlnx drivers need packages from external repos to function | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | but in third party repos, which might conflict with distros, etc | 15:51 |
| crinkle | I see | 15:51 |
| crinkle | it does have a parameter to turn it on and off though | 15:51 |
| angdraug | not to mention that those repos may disappear at a moment's notice | 15:51 |
| crinkle | so i don't really see the problem | 15:51 |
| angdraug | and are likely to contain non-free software | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: this is *exactly* my concern, thank you | 15:52 |
| crinkle | so we don't want to support a valid neutron configuration because it might use non-free software? | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: no, we do want to support the neutron config | 15:53 |
| chem | I tend to agree with EmilienM about the puppet-mellanox, puppet-cisco, puppet-XXX relative to puppet-neutron which should just take care of configuration. But legacy being what it is, it's going to be an hard montain to climb. | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | it's just the external packages that you need | 15:53 |
| crinkle | why split the packages and config? that seems confusing | 15:53 |
| angdraug | on the other hand, you have neutron's decision to accept these drivers in-tree | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | Juniper has puppet-opencontrail | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | it takes care of everything about opencontrail | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | and puppet-neutron just feed neutron config | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | it works well! I think we should follow this pattern | 15:54 |
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| chem | yes, exactly | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: we don't split packages & config, you still need neutron plugin package | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: you're mixing third party & openstack packages | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | 1/ is in external repos 2/ is in distros | 15:55 |
| crinkle | okay, I don't have any strong opinions | 15:55 |
| chem | but maybe, for the time being a switch in the module parameter would be enough. Later on we can re-ask ourself if we have the resource to do the split on existing package and force it for new package. | 15:55 |
| chem | (switch like configure the external resource) | 15:56 |
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| EmilienM | chem: like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209997/9/manifests/agents/ml2/mlnx.pp,cm ? | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | with use_mellanox_repository ? | 15:56 |
| chem | EmilienM: I think that It can be considered like a valid compromise for the time being | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | yes | 15:57 |
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| angdraug | that would work for me, too | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | ok, so proposal: use opencontrail way if we can, otherwise mlnx - but not cisco n1kv | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM send proposal to ML about neutron plugin mngt, gather feedback + write doc | 15:58 |
| angdraug | not cisco n1kv == use of external repo is tolerated only if optional? | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | before closing the meeting, iurygregory is asking for reviews, maybe richm & chem you can have a loot? I'll review them this week for sure. | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: yes | 15:59 |
| iurygregory | thanks o/ | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: we need to make sure it's optional | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | thanks angdraug for this topic, very productive | 15:59 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, one more review is needed :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211043 | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | a few seconds left | 15:59 |
| chem | angdraug: yes, with the better option being : make a separate module for the installation of the package itself | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | thanks everyone, have a great day! | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 22 16:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-22-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-22-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-22-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| mugsie | hey | 16:00 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 16:00 |
| elarson | o/ | 16:01 |
| KunalGan_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | Hi there | 16:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 22 16:01:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | nothing outstanding | 16:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Architecture - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223663/ | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223663/ | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | I have a few comments that I am addressing - has everyone had a chance to read ^ ? | 16:03 |
| johnsom | I have (those are probably my comments you are still addressing...) | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | johnsom: yup :) | 16:03 |
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| dougwig | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/63/223663/1/check/gate-kosmos-specs-docs/8927647//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/sysarch.html | 16:03 |
| mugsie | I did leave a few replies as well | 16:03 |
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| dougwig | is the api/conductor approach similar to what designate is doing? | 16:04 |
| mugsie | kinda - we have a central service - but the name confused people | 16:05 |
| mugsie | conductor seems to be the openstack terminology | 16:05 |
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| mugsie | the idea was that we had one input point to the DB | 16:05 |
| dougwig | interesting. neutron has both of those in one process, which has its issues. | 16:05 |
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| mugsie | yeah - I like the ability to scale out APIs | 16:06 |
| KunalGan_ | @mugsie .. so the endpoints are VIP's in the regional LB's ? | 16:06 |
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| mugsie | KunalGan_: yeah | 16:06 |
| mugsie | or they could be random IPs as well | 16:06 |
| mugsie | what ever we are loadbalancing | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | that is the reason there is plugins for the status checks | 16:07 |
| KunalGan_ | So there would be two plugin interfaces for custom implementation.. one for making the entity changes on GSLB and other one for status checks | 16:07 |
| mugsie | yup | 16:07 |
| KunalGan_ | ok.. where does the designate call fit in here ? | 16:08 |
| mugsie | for example if I am going to get traction for this with product marketing we would need to support things like AWS | 16:08 |
| mugsie | it would be the default GSLB | 16:08 |
| mugsie | so the calls to the GSLB driver would be translated to DNS updates via designate | 16:08 |
| xgerman | so Designate would be the GSLB appliance in the picture? | 16:09 |
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| dougwig | KunalGan_: it's the default and primary DNS server for the G in the GSLB. | 16:09 |
| mugsie | yup | 16:09 |
| dougwig | xgerman: the front half, yes. | 16:09 |
| KunalGan_ | ok got it.. | 16:10 |
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| xgerman | well, Designate has an API :-) | 16:10 |
| mugsie | johnsom: had a good question - "Are we keeping status history in the Database or should we have some sort of logging component or call out?" | 16:10 |
| mugsie | what are peoples thoughts on this? | 16:11 |
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| xgerman | both? | 16:11 |
| dougwig | i'm not a fan of huge databases, for scaling reasons. i'd prefer the callout/logging, personally. | 16:11 |
| johnsom | I lean towards logging | 16:11 |
| KunalGan_ | what is the benefit of keeping status history ? | 16:11 |
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| xgerman | well, users like to have cli commands which show status | 16:11 |
| xgerman | history can be in logging | 16:11 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: to show when a change was made, and what triggered it | 16:12 |
| johnsom | If you have backend endpoints coming and going it's nice to be able to see that history | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | yeah. you want users to see *why* a region disappeared | 16:12 |
| elarson | +1 logging | 16:13 |
| KunalGan_ | @mugsie .. if we have to show the history on CLI then wouldn't it be easier to get it from the db rather than logs ? | 16:13 |
| mugsie | well, logging could be another DB | 16:13 |
| mugsie | or timeseries | 16:13 |
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| KunalGan_ | oh ok | 16:13 |
| xgerman | well, what about monasca? | 16:13 |
| KunalGan_ | @mugsie .. that makes sense.. | 16:13 |
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| elarson | that presents a whole slew of questions regarding linearabilty, but, conceptually +1 :) | 16:13 |
| dougwig | if in db, we could also limit it to the last 1000 checks or something, to keep it sane. | 16:13 |
| mugsie | xgerman: i would rather not tie us to them just yet | 16:13 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ++ | 16:13 |
| KunalGan_ | +1 on limiting it | 16:14 |
| mugsie | there would definitly need to be a "prune" | 16:14 |
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| mugsie | OK, i think that is good feedback | 16:15 |
| mugsie | and for MVP we may not need to actually show the history in the API | 16:15 |
| KunalGan_ | @mugsie .. the default GSLB will be integrated with designate and lbaas. do we know which applicance wr have to support by default | 16:15 |
| elarson | +1 re: mvp | 16:16 |
| KunalGan_ | like an opensource one ? | 16:16 |
| mugsie | there is no list yet | 16:16 |
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| mugsie | but with just LBaaS + Designate it will be functional | 16:16 |
| dougwig | KunalGan_: i think we'll end up writing the backend monitors ourselves, for the ref impl. | 16:16 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: oh, by appliance you mean LB appliance? | 16:17 |
| KunalGan_ | ok.. | 16:17 |
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| dougwig | i think that's what he meant. so if we use designate+lbaas, the ref will be designate's defaults + haproxy. | 16:17 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: I think we can have in tree drivers, as long as there is a way of testing them | 16:17 |
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| KunalGan_ | yes.. someone needs to do the health checks against the local VIP | 16:17 |
| dougwig | KunalGan_: we could either write those in python, or as mugsie said, we could setup hm's in lbaas and poll lbaas's /stats call for health. | 16:18 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: that would be the status check service | 16:18 |
| mugsie | ah, yeah. what dougwig said | 16:18 |
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| mugsie | OK, anymore feedback? | 16:19 |
| KunalGan_ | down the line when we have to support more complex GSLB algo's like geo-location, ratio based, etc, would that be supported just by lbaas and designate ? | 16:19 |
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| mugsie | KunalGan_: designate has those features on the roadmap | 16:20 |
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| KunalGan_ | oh ok | 16:20 |
| mugsie | so, hopefully | 16:20 |
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| dougwig | and hopefully some 3rd party drivers might also expose those things. | 16:21 |
| mugsie | yeah | 16:21 |
| KunalGan_ | on a separate topic, i got a lot of feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218709/ | 16:21 |
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| KunalGan_ | but the code review is not line with the design | 16:21 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: yeah. we decided 2 weeks ago to go more conceptual with the design first | 16:22 |
| KunalGan_ | do you want me to redo it and align it with the design @mugsie or wait a little bit | 16:22 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: I think we wait a bit | 16:22 |
| KunalGan_ | before we finalize the design | 16:22 |
| KunalGan_ | @mugsie .. ok | 16:23 |
| mugsie | we can then do the services on a service by service basis | 16:23 |
| KunalGan_ | ok | 16:23 |
| mugsie | as we will have an interface to work against | 16:23 |
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| dougwig | if you want to rework now with a stock pecan and alembic goo, though, we'll need that. | 16:24 |
| mugsie | OK. | 16:24 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:25 |
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| KunalGan_ | ok so pecan is preferred over flask ? | 16:25 |
| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 16:25 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: yes | 16:25 |
| KunalGan_ | i see | 16:25 |
| mugsie | well, no, but it is the standard basically | 16:25 |
| elarson | :) | 16:25 |
| mugsie | both designate + neutron use it now afaik | 16:25 |
| KunalGan_ | @mugsie .. i was looking at designate code | 16:26 |
| mugsie | KunalGan_: I am sorry | 16:26 |
| KunalGan_ | maybe an older one i guess | 16:26 |
| mugsie | :D | 16:26 |
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| dougwig | i think pecan is what the tc recommends now. | 16:26 |
| mugsie | yeah. our V1 API was flask | 16:26 |
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| mugsie | the v2 API is pecan | 16:26 |
| KunalGan_ | ok | 16:26 |
| mugsie | with a few fixes in our tree | 16:26 |
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| dougwig | neutron's old server was/is totally homebrew. *shudder*. | 16:26 |
| xgerman | flask is so much better | 16:26 |
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| mugsie | it is | 16:26 |
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| xgerman | yeah, wonder what pecan paid the TC? | 16:27 |
| mugsie | but if both related projects use pecan, we should probably use it | 16:27 |
| dougwig | i'm open to either, if the team feels strongly. it's just a wsgi server to me. | 16:27 |
| KunalGan_ | @dougwig .. +1. either is fine | 16:27 |
| mugsie | yeah. not really pushed, just like to have commonalities | 16:28 |
| KunalGan_ | ok. i can take a task to switch the API to pecan from flask | 16:28 |
| xgerman | flask is fine ;-) | 16:28 |
| KunalGan_ | since that might not change a lot | 16:28 |
| elarson | cherrypy ? | 16:28 |
| elarson | http://ionrock.org/2013/01/30/CherryFlask.html | 16:28 |
| mugsie | elarson: :| | 16:28 |
| xgerman | Werkzeug all the way | 16:29 |
| mugsie | webob ++ | 16:29 |
| * mugsie needs to stop feedin the bikeshed | 16:29 | |
| mugsie | OK, anything else for the meeting? | 16:29 |
| dougwig | it gets crazy enough and i'm gonna ask for rails or sinatra. | 16:29 |
| dougwig | this is where i usually get dirty stares. | 16:30 |
| mugsie | :) | 16:30 |
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| mugsie | https://kore.io/ | 16:30 |
| mugsie | done | 16:30 |
| mugsie | :D | 16:30 |
| KunalGan_ | :) | 16:31 |
| mugsie | OK. if thats it - shall we call the meeting adjourned? | 16:31 |
| xgerman | it was just starting to be fun... | 16:32 |
| mugsie | OK - see you in #openstack-gslb | 16:33 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 22 16:33:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-09-22-16.01.html | 16:33 |
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| mugsie | have 30 mins of your day back :) | 16:34 |
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